New rush for guns, London 'underscores importance' of self-defense

[Amp]

The spurt in terror attacks, including the recent two in England, are pushing gun sales into record territory just months after predictions that the election of a pro-gun president would end the rush.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-rush-for-guns-london-underscores-importance-of-self-defense/article/2624952

[Totem Polar]

Interesting.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Here's a view on why the UK has sensible gun laws and why guns wouldn't help in an attack. Panicky friendly fire.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/06/london-bridge/529107/

Now, of course, we will think Frum is full of it. Here's a point that stuck out to me. This guy was a speech writer for GWB and IIRC, considers himself a 'conservative'. That sort of attitude is really the majority view of the GOP ruling class, IMHO. That's why we see little real progress on pro-firearms legislation. We get mouthing of cliches to garner vote (We like guns, Hillary hates them - blah, blah) but gun rights have fallen off the wagon as the party turns to their classic GOP issues. They miss why Trump won - it wasn't those.

Pro-gun presidents need to push for pro-gun legislation with the same intensity as other things.

[LittleLebowski]

Here's a view on why the UK has sensible gun laws and why guns wouldn't help in an attack. Panicky friendly fire.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/06/london-bridge/529107/

Now, of course, we will think Frum is full of it. Here's a point that stuck out to me. This guy was a speech writer for GWB and IIRC, considers himself a 'conservative'. That sort of attitude is really the majority view of the GOP ruling class, IMHO. That's why we see little real progress on pro-firearms legislation. We get mouthing of cliches to garner vote (We like guns, Hillary hates them - blah, blah) but gun rights have fallen off the wagon as the party turns to their classic GOP issues. They miss why Trump won - it wasn't those.

Pro-gun presidents need to push for pro-gun legislation with the same intensity as other things.

Frum is a swamp denizen.

[BehindBlueI's]

Terrorism works. It gets media attention, it makes people afraid.

We get 130+ murders a year in my county. Roughly five times as many non-fatal shootings. Zero have been due to terrorism. Yet, oddly, there's very little discussion about "mundane" criminals.

[blues]

Terrorism works. It gets media attention, it makes people afraid.

We get 130+ murders a year in my county. Roughly five times as many non-fatal shootings. Zero have been due to terrorism. Yet, oddly, there's very little discussion about "mundane" criminals.

Clearly, you guys need to up your game.

[BehindBlueI's]

Clearly, you guys need to up your game.

I'm surprised surrounding counties haven't called for a travel ban.

[blues]

I'm surprised surrounding counties haven't called for a travel ban.

When you check trivago it gives a BBI rating of 3.7 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XsYmq4nOVkc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAABM/_7TdVV7gecM/photo.jpg

[Hambo]

More background checks means more guns sold, but doesn't say a thing about the why of it. The fact that it's a buyer's market right now probably has as much or more to do with the jump than terror attacks.

[Hambo]

When you check trivago it gives a BBI rating of 3.7 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XsYmq4nOVkc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAABM/_7TdVV7gecM/photo.jpg

Can we get "BBI's day begins when your vacation ends" added to that?

[fatdog]

If Frum is a conservative I am a flying moose. First the guy is a Canadian and did not go for US citizenship until his late 40's, Ivy Leaguer, typical elitist. He only fits the mold of what outfits like NPR or the NYT think a good conservative should be, much like David Brooks.

[blues]

Can we get "BBI's day begins when your vacation ends" added to that?

How about "we'll leave the light on for you"? Or should that be "we'll put your lights out for you" ?

[AMC]

If Frum is a conservative I am a flying moose. First the guy is a Canadian and did not go for US citizenship until his late 40's, Ivy Leaguer, typical elitist. He only fits the mold of what outfits like NPR or the NYT think a good conservative should be, much like David Brooks.

Yeah...kinda this. As I've said before....at this point, the mission of the Democrat Party is the establishment of a socialist revolution in our country. The mission of the Republican Party is to pretend that they oppose that. Their goal is to take all of the energy and capital from those who oppose the progressive agenda for the country, redirect it....and then leave you in the wilderness with nothing. Of course, this isn't all of them (maybe a dozen are decent) but it's certainly the leadership.

This goes to show how our language and definitions have been warped by the left. I refuse to call leftist/progressive types 'liberal'. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Adams.....they were liberals. The left appropriated the term in the late 19th century, claiming they were the heirs to classical liberalism. They weren't then, and they aren't now. It's also why I don't consider myself a 'conservative'.....that term never really applied properly as it's used today. Considering the status quo....classical liberals now find themselves revolutionaries....much like the founders...in terms of our ideas.

[OlongJohnson]

The spurt in terror attacks, including the recent two in England, are pushing gun sales into record territory just months after predictions that the election of a pro-gun president would end the rush.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-rush-for-guns-london-underscores-importance-of-self-defense/article/2624952


Wonder how much of it is the BATFE finally getting on the stick and pumping out everybody's pre-41F stamps?

[SamAdams]

Yeah...kinda this. As I've said before....at this point, the mission of the Democrat Party is the establishment of a socialist revolution in our country. The mission of the Republican Party is to pretend that they oppose that. Their goal is to take all of the energy and capital from those who oppose the progressive agenda for the country, redirect it....and then leave you in the wilderness with nothing. Of course, this isn't all of them (maybe a dozen are decent) but it's certainly the leadership.

This goes to show how our language and definitions have been warped by the left. I refuse to call leftist/progressive types 'liberal'. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Adams.....they were liberals. The left appropriated the term in the late 19th century, claiming they were the heirs to classical liberalism. They weren't then, and they aren't now. It's also why I don't consider myself a 'conservative'.....that term never really applied properly as it's used today. Considering the status quo....classical liberals now find themselves revolutionaries....much like the founders...in terms of our ideas.

Yep, IMO at the leadership level its the demorepublicrap party. For the most part they are actors doing theater. -

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/americas-oligarchy-not-democracy-or-republic-unive/

[OlongJohnson]

It's worth reading the actual study. Original sources and what not.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

[fixer]

This goes to show how our language and definitions have been warped by the left. I refuse to call leftist/progressive types 'liberal'. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Adams.....they were liberals. The left appropriated the term in the late 19th century, claiming they were the heirs to classical liberalism. They weren't then, and they aren't now. It's also why I don't consider myself a 'conservative'.....that term never really applied properly as it's used today. Considering the status quo....classical liberals now find themselves revolutionaries....much like the founders...in terms of our ideas.

True.

What bothers me is that this isn't even a subtle fact. It is a rather blatant one that is carefully navigated around in nearly all discussions of political history and discourse.

[BobLoblaw]

I'm betting this uptick has more to do with the NRA show and $250 M&P Shields than terror.

[LittleLebowski]

If Frum is a conservative I am a flying moose. First the guy is a Canadian and did not go for US citizenship until his late 40's, Ivy Leaguer, typical elitist. He only fits the mold of what outfits like NPR or the NYT think a good conservative should be, much like David Brooks.

Yup, he's just a guy that likes money, not one of those weird gun nuts, or Constitutionalists.

[MistWolf]

This goes to show how our language and definitions have been warped


The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words

-Philip K. Dick, How To Build A Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later

[Bart Carter]

I'm betting this uptick has more to do with the NRA show and $250 M&P Shields than terror.

And now Walther jumps in with a $100 rebate on most of its guns. Good time for us.

[SamAdams]

Its just nice to see ammo (including 22LR) and handloading components on stocked up store shelves again.

[RevolverRob]

Terrorism works. It gets media attention, it makes people afraid.

We get 130+ murders a year in my county. Roughly five times as many non-fatal shootings. Zero have been due to terrorism. Yet, oddly, there's very little discussion about "mundane" criminals.

This.

Terrorism only works when people are actually afraid. The demonstration that people can, are, and will be victims of violent crime is a shocking one to most people who haven't gotten into a fight since grade school. The sheer reality of the situation is that Radical Islamic Terrorism is hardly an existential threat to life, but that won't stop the perpetrators, the politicians, or the press who cash in on it. Terror is an irrational and invaluable asset to changing socio-cultural norms and it works damn well. If the Kabuki Theater of going through Airport Security is any indicator, it works too well.

It's unfortunate that we can't get news coverage of the violence in your county. Or even in Chicago, where we have had 264 homicides and 1435 shot (includes killed) since Jan 1. 2017. Manchester and London Bridge are drops in the bucket compared to the west side of Chicago for murder and violent crime...but because it wasn't done in the name of Allah but instead in the name of Meth or Crack it just doesn't matter...

[AMC]

While I fully agree that the average person is statistically much more likely to be a victim of crime than terrorism (and both are unlikely for most), the fact is that the shootings/homicides we're talking about occurring in in Chiraq and other blighted American cities are occurring mostly within the criminal class, and mostly in defined areas. There are clearly exceptions to this, and those incidents do tend to get a lot of media exposure, because "innocent victims". The psychological effect of terrorism is greater because those un-involved, innocent non-combatants are the intended targets. Yes, media plays into this, occasionally over-hyping events...but if they didn't adequately cover it, someone would be screaming "cover-up". The media is between a rock and a hard place on that front, and it is a reality that terrorists have always exploited to their advantage, even back when most terrorism in the west was motivated by Marxist revolutionary principles, rather than religious ones (think Red-Brigades, Baader-Meinhoff, SLA, even IRA).

Terrorism is tough for free societies to deal with, hence it's attraction for our enemies. I often get fed up with the sheep-like compliance and weakness of many of our fellow citizens, but I feel that way about attitudes towards violent criminals as well. Yes, things would get easier if many of our citizens would Cowboy-the-f*%k-up, and all, and I doubt earlier generations would have tolerated our situation. Problem is, they would likely handle it with internment camps, pogroms, and mass arrests. My fear is that if we don't get a handle on things, that's where we're headed.