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blues
05-09-2017, 03:10 PM
Last week I took delivery of a couple of boxes of the 9mm HST in 124gr +P which I had ordered as an afterthought along with a case of S&B training ammo...and as luck would have it, I also purchased a case of the 147gr (standard pressure) on another site for a very attractive price.

I of course have read numerous threads here and elsewhere about the HST rounds and finally took the plunge so I could see for myself. (Thanks to DocGKR for his research which makes narrowing the field a lot easier than it would be without his efforts.)

Had some time today to spend with three different rounds out of my G26 and G19.

The rounds shot from (what I consider) a reasonable self defense range of 10 to 15 yards were:

Speer Gold Dot 124gr Standard
Federal HST 124gr +P
Federal HST 147gr Standard

The target was a gray center B-8 as provided for printing by Tom Jones. Thanks, Tom.

I didn't have a camera or keep copious records but I evaluated each target and how "I" shot looking for variances in accuracy among the three rounds.

What I found was that the 147gr standard HST was the best round out of both guns. (I'm sorry I didn't have my G17 there to test as well but since I already shoot that one the best of my three Glocks, I'm going to assume that the result would hold true there as well.)

I found that with both the G26 and 19 the 147gr round grouped very well, all rounds in the black, fired briskly taking only enough time to bring the muzzle back on target.

With the G19, the standard pressure 124gr GD performed slightly better than the HST 124gr +P

With the G26, the 124gr HST +P performed a bit better than the standard pressure GD.

But the 147gr was unquestionably superior to both. My neighbor who is a gunsmith and used to compete was impressed with the results and agreed that the winner was obvious. Glad I bought a case!

I found that I had a tendency to shoot just a hair low with the 147gr when POA was the center of the target so I just have to remember to bring my POA up slightly in future.

Oh, and another thing. I used to shoot my G26 as well as or better than my G19...but since getting my Gen 2 G19 back from Glock with a new Gen 3 frame and internals that is no longer true. I now shoot the G19 considerably better than the 26. Surprising because that wasn't the case for years but has held true over three or four outings since getting the gun back from Glock warranty service. Hmmm, maybe I'm a finger groove guy and never even knew it!


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I also had a chance before I started on the Glocks to test some Winchester Ranger (Bonded) RA38B 130gr +P out of the S&W J-frame 642-1

Wanted to test it before carrying since some folks had reported issues previously. I examined the rounds beforehand without seeing any of the imperfections others had mentioned. The +P round was not the least bit disagreeable out of the J-frame despite the light frame of the Airweight.

Pretty good day. And don't tell Little Lebowski that I've already cleaned and loaded my guns for carry.

I've found my carry rounds. Life is good. :cool:

JHC
05-09-2017, 03:19 PM
Nice to hear about the upgraded now Gen 3 G19. Gen 2s, although some love them were not generally as accurate IMO.

blues
05-09-2017, 03:29 PM
Nice to hear about the upgraded now Gen 3 G19. Gen 2s, although some love them were not generally as accurate IMO.

I'm somewhat astounded, honestly. When I got the Gen 4 G17 I was sad that it put my other guns to shame right from the jump.

Now, I've no doubt the recently refurbished / updated Gen 2 G19 would give it a serious run for the money. Man, am I ever glad I sent that gun back to Smyrna.

I've been giving my G26 the stink eye since I found out just how good my 19 is now! ;)

Clusterfrack
05-09-2017, 03:38 PM
Thanks for the report. I've found the HST 147s to be excellent as well. Just picked up some more last week, actually.

Kyle Reese
05-09-2017, 03:44 PM
Nice range report, sir. I do love me some of the 147 grain HSTs.

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Doc_Glock
05-09-2017, 04:30 PM
This is timely as I also picked up a case of 147 standard pressure HST that I think will replace 124 grain Ranger T +P for carry.

M2CattleCo
05-09-2017, 08:34 PM
Where y'all getting the best price on cases of the 147 HST?

I'm running low.

blues
05-09-2017, 08:37 PM
Where y'all getting the best price on cases of the 147 HST?

I'm running low.

I got mine at massammo.com (https://massammo.com/sale-federal-hst-9mm-147-grain-1000-round-case-flat-rate-shipping.html) with $12.99 flat rate shipping. I had it two days after the order was put in.

peterb
05-09-2017, 08:43 PM
I'll have to look at massammo. Higher prices here. I've had good service from sgammo.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/1000-round-case-9mm-luger-federal-hst-147-grain-hollow-point-le-ammo-p9hst2

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/federal-hst-le-9mm-luger-ammo-147-grain-jhp-p9hst2-p-3547.aspx

OnionsAndDragons
05-09-2017, 09:18 PM
The 147gr HST is the best overall performer across all my pistols.

My classic SIGs like the 124gr HST or GDs a little bit better, but not enough to worry about. All the HKs and Glocks like the 147 and the little PPS is scary accurate with them.

Thanks for the tip to check massammo, B. I buy almost exclusively from SGA but they also look decent.


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LtDave
05-09-2017, 09:38 PM
Bone Frog Gun Club has some excellent prices on HST right now.

breakingtime91
05-09-2017, 09:57 PM
another vote for 147 grain hst. I also find really good prices on 147 lawman that matches the hst as training ammo..

blues
05-09-2017, 10:03 PM
Bone Frog Gun Club has some excellent prices on HST right now.

With shipping included the difference between them and massammo.com is less than $2 and massammo has the ammo in stock, fwiw.

Robinson
05-10-2017, 08:02 AM
When I decided to make the switch from .45ACP to 9mm I did a lot of reading in this forum section. Since then the 147gr HST has been my carry ammo. It seems very consistent and my Colts run reliably with it.

For practice I use the Federal 147 flat point FMJ rounds and they shoot pretty much identically to the HST. They are both rated by Federal at around 1000 fps. I also like these two rounds because they are subsonic.

Leroy Suggs
05-10-2017, 08:50 AM
Blues we are carrying the same ammo.
147 HST for my Glocks.
RA38B for the J's.

Great minds...........

blues
05-10-2017, 08:58 AM
Blues we are carrying the same ammo.
147 HST for my Glocks.
RA38B for the J's.

Great minds...........

Glad to hear that, Hub. Then again, not too much of a surprise coming from my "big brother". :cool:

bfoosh006
05-10-2017, 04:00 PM
https://www.bonefroggunclub.com/collections/ammunition/sale...


(https://www.bonefroggunclub.com/collections/ammunition/sale...)
Where y'all getting the best price on cases of the 147 HST?

I'm running low.

Bone Frog Gun Club also has great prices on all the HST.

blues
05-10-2017, 04:10 PM
https://www.bonefroggunclub.com/collections/ammunition/sale...


(https://www.bonefroggunclub.com/collections/ammunition/sale...)

Bone Frog Gun Club also has great prices on all the HST.

Your link doesn't work. They've been out of stock for at least a few weeks (that I'm aware of) and massammo.com has it in stock as discussed above for less than a $2 difference shipped.