VP9SK

[Wayne Dobbs]

I ordered mine yesterday. I fear my wife will steal this one for her....

[warpedcamshaft]

How have the VP9's been holding up for HiTS?

Any breakages?
What kind of round counts so far?

I'll be a VP9SK buyer most likely... I've been waiting for them to jump all in on the VP9.

[TCB]

Didn't realize these were available for order yet... Who has them?

[Sherman A. House DDS]

Oh boy...

You hear that? That's my wallet screaming in agony.


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[RJ]

Must...ignore...thread. Must...remain...strong...:cool:

Kidding. Will be watching with interest.

My expectation is:

"Damn, this thing shoots like a full size gun."

And:

"Wow, I can carry with flat plate 10 rounder? And use a spacered 13 round USPc or VP9 15 round mag, too? Cool."

My guess is HK will sell oodles of these. Oodles.


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[Wayne Dobbs]

How have the VP9's been holding up for HiTS?

Any breakages?
What kind of round counts so far?

I'll be a VP9SK buyer most likely... I've been waiting for them to jump all in on the VP9.

They run like raped apes. No breakages and mine's had one stoppage with an out of spec WWB round. I'm approaching 10K rounds now. Magnificent pistols...

[Wayne Dobbs]

Didn't realize these were available for order yet... Who has them?

CMC Government Supply - www.cmcgov.com

[GJM]

Does Mrs. Dobbs also want an Aimpoint Nano?

[ffhounddog]

I want a nano for my maxim 9

Just bought another P2000. I just like the P2000.

[TCB]

CMC Government Supply - www.cmcgov.com
Thanks Wayne, Just put one on order. Good lookin' out! My P30sk will be going away as soon as I get a few hundred rounds through this and its ready for carry...Hopefully it fits in my JM IWB holster.

[Wayne Dobbs]

Does Mrs. Dobbs also want an Aimpoint Nano?

Don't get her started, George.

[Kyle Reese]

I ordered mine yesterday. I fear my wife will steal this one for her....
All the more reason to order two. 😎

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[11B10]

Must...ignore...thread. Must...remain...strong...:cool:

Kidding. Will be watching with interest.

My expectation is:

"Damn, this thing shoots like a full size gun."

And:

"Wow, I can carry with flat plate 10 rounder? And use a spacered 13 round USPc or VP9 15 round mag, too? Cool."

My guess is HK will sell oodles of these. Oodles.


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OK, Rich - me again. I admit I'm naive, but other than the fact that it's a new H&K (meaning we are in Pavlovian mode), please tell me why this would be preferable to what you and I now have? What am I missing? Is it because it's striker-fired - or, is the trigger that much better (cannot believe that!) or what? Hep me! Hep me!

[RJ]

OK, Rich - me again. I admit I'm naive, but other than the fact that it's a new H&K (meaning we are in Pavlovian mode), please tell me why this would be preferable to what you and I now have? What am I missing? Is it because it's striker-fired - or, is the trigger that much better (cannot believe that!) or what? Hep me! Hep me!

For me (and, this is highly highly hypothetical) it would (my guess) have a trigger (shape, length of press) very similar if not the same as my VP9.

If I was looking for a carry gun, like that, I would be ordering a SK.

But, I'm not. I would rather have a LEM carry gun, in SK size, than try to carry the VP9. So far, I haven't had any luck in buying a holster that works for the VP9 that is as good as my Mitch Rosen leather OWB works for my P30SK.

I accept that my carry gun and gamer gun are different triggers, for now. I believe the LEM is a better carry trigger than a SFA, so, although I am interested in the VP9SK, I'm not planning to buy one.

Hopefully by the time I finally learn to shoot (after training, my goal is to get ranked as a B in USPSA in Production). If at that point HK brings out a Compact P30, or a Compact VP9, I would consider strongly selling both pistols for one of those. But I think it will be a couple years, since HK never does anything quickly.

I recently shot a DAO P250. It was nice. And 5" high, G19 sized. Discontinued, unfortunately; but I kinda wish I'd known about it a while ago.

Anyway, back to the VP9SK anticipation!

[FPS]

For those of us too lazy to create an account and login, what are they pricing it at? Is it shipping now or did they give a date?

NVM, got unlazy and registered - $644 for night sides and 3 mags

[TCB]

Yes, a "VP19" based around the 13 round P2000 magazine with the dimensions above would be...perfection.

ETA: $565ish for std model with 2 mags...$80 or so more for NS & a 3rd mag.

[JBP55]

For those of us too lazy to create an account and login, what are they pricing it at? Is it shipping now or did they give a date?

NVM, got unlazy and registered - $644 for night sides and 3 mags

A local dealer is quoting $650 for the LE model.

[EVP]

If only a vp9 Gadget!!!!! I would go all in on the vp series.


Tom please...! :D

[ffhounddog]

To sell my P2000 LEM or to keep it is the question I have....

[imp1295]

If only a vp9 Gadget!!!!! I would go all in on the vp series.


Tom please...! :D

Wasn't there a sneak peek of VP9s with safeties from a recent European trade show? That would be where I would go.

[EVP]

Yea... but polymer guns don't really have ergonomic safeties like a 1911.

Plus the safety looks a little lacking to me and I prefer no safeties on polymer guns.

[imp1295]

Yea... but polymer guns don't really have ergonomic safeties like a 1911.

Plus the safety looks a little lacking to me and I prefer no safeties on polymer guns.

Not denigrating your opinion. But, M&P executed a safety on a polymer pistol very well. I'm not passing judgment on all the offerings or those of HK specifically. However, DB has opined a number of times how he preferred a LEM safety as a home defense gun. I'll say that I've not had any issues with the offerings on the USP line.

the sneak peeks of the VP9 version do appear to leave something to be desired. I'd have to hold it in hand to pass judgment.

[RAM Engineer]

Can anyone confirm whether the VP9SK has done away with the awful trench in the trigger guard? Online pictures indicate that it HAS, but I'm not sure.

[JonInWA]

Wayne, first let me thank you for being a significant threat to my potential disposable income...Looks like a very neat, niche-viable selection.

While concurrently running both a VP40 and a P30L V1 (also in .40), I have a couple of thoughts that may apply here:

First, despite the relatively high component count in the VPs (and the interesting architecture of some of them, that only a German engineer could come up with and love, such as the convoluted trigger return spring...), as Wayne has mentioned, in actual fielding they're very, very durable and reliable, which I say based both on my personal experience and anecdotally from people/sources that I trust (such as Wayne and DB). While the MAC tests of several VP9s still raise some concerns to me, the problem areas they experienced and raised in their evaluations do not seem to be operationally cropping up in actual use, at least to date.

Second, the VP triggerpull is at least perceptually pretty darn light-to me, while I haven't measured it, it feels like 4-4.5 lbs. That may be a characteristic of the triggerpull feel (soft and consistant to break-point, which itself is achieved fairly quickly and without a sharp perceptual wall) as opposed to the actual pull weight itself, but it's still a bit of a concern; personally, I still prefer Glocks (especially the NY1 and minus connector on a Gen 3, and the OEM coil trigger return spring and dot connector on a Gen4). The Glocks also have a faster reset point (but the HK reset is certainly quickly achieved, just not as quickly as on Glocks).

My preference because of this is to prefer the hammer-fired LEM set-up slightly over the VP, especially if any threat management with a weapon is likely to be required in encounters where the weapon is drawn.

Alternatively, I can see the merit in a VP having a manual safety/gadget or a heavier triggerpull.

Third, the HK ergos are absolutely superb, and significantly user-tailorable. While I've long been a proponent of user familiarization significantly trumping minor ergonomic inconvenience or deficiencies, especially in the long run, the reality is that out of the box most HKs feel, operate and index superbly. That's a nice plus.

These are a handy size. The previous VPs seemed to somewhat straddle the line between duty-sized and compact, skewing more towards duty-sized. While a VP9/40 is relatively easy to carry concealed, these are easier, and still have a relatively decent magazine capacity.

This has been an interesting recent period regarding manufacturer's submissions-Between these, Beretta's APX, FN's 509, and the resurgent interest in Beretta's PX4, SIG's P320 and Wilson's new semi-1911 EDC X9 compact, there are a host of what appear to be very good choices available. Its a "win" for us, but I find myself still trying to make sure than I'm not falling victim to the "squirrel" syndrome and flailing around looking for a perfect hardware holy grail solution as opposed to working on my software with some of the excellent options already in hand...(which in my personal case is predominantly Gen 3/Gen4 Glocks). YMMV.

Best, Jon

[RJ]

Extended mags -- from HK.

https://www.facebook.com/hecklerandkoch/videos/1504621489579132/


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[Jared]

Extended mags -- from HK.

https://www.facebook.com/hecklerandkoch/videos/1504621489579132/


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Damnit Rich......

I've finally found a striker gun I really really like (VP9), and I was all set to pass on the SK due to the abbreviated ten round grip and you show me a link to a 13 round setup.....

Not cool dude

[Guinnessman]

Extended mags -- from HK.

https://www.facebook.com/hecklerandkoch/videos/1504621489579132/


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Daddy wants those 13 rounders for the P30sk!!!!:p:cool:

[RJ]

Damnit Rich......

I've finally found a striker gun I really really like (VP9), and I was all set to pass on the SK due to the abbreviated ten round grip and you show me a link to a 13 round setup.....

Not cool dude

What can I say...I'm an enabler. :cool:

13+1 is nice. I have a USPc mag with a P2000 Xgrid sleeve I've used, but it does not look as nicely blended into the grip as these look. I heard they were coming in November. Definitely going to try and grab a sku to do a search on and see if I can order a couple of these. I assume (hope) that they fit in a P30SK.

My assortment:

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[Mike C]

Isn't the factory 13 round extended option going to be later in the year? I know they have sleeves but I would want a solid one piece. I hate how the x-grip extensions slide around when not inserted into the gun.


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[RJ]

Isn't the factory 13 round extended option going to be later in the year? I know they have sleeves but I would want a solid one piece. I hate how the x-grip extensions slide around when not inserted into the gun.


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I think I saw November.

Agree on the X Grip. I am not a fan, and carry 10+1 at the moment.


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[Mike C]

I think I saw November.

Agree on the X Grip. I am not a fan, and carry 10+1 at the moment.


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Thanks for the info. Any word on the safety models by chance? I am really enjoying the pure shooting capability of the VP series. Would be nice to have a layer of safety with the short trigger of VP series. A manual safety would go a long way for me, might even get me to switch over to a striker for everything. It would be nice to stick with one trigger system. Thanks again for the info.


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[Jared]

I think I saw November.

Agree on the X Grip. I am not a fan, and carry 10+1 at the moment.


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Just enough time for me to get a VP9SK, get it vetted good with the standard 10 rounders, then pick up a few 13's to test and then carry.....

What I really want is a VP9K that'd be the same size as a P2000. That'd carry like the bomb diggity for me, but VP9SK with a 13 round stick would do.

[RJ]

Thanks for the info. Any word on the safety models by chance?



I've only seen the base, and LE models on the HK web site, so far.

Seems like I saw a safety-equipped VP9 mentioned somewhere in the last few product announcements, but I can't recall now.

[ffhounddog]

Is there a P30 Xgrip type coming from HK for use of P30/VP9 mags in a P2000?

[RJ]

I've only seen the base, and LE models on the HK web site, so far.

Seems like I saw a safety-equipped VP9 mentioned somewhere in the last few product announcements, but I can't recall now.

Here's the press announcement where a 'safety lever' is discussed in the context of the SFP9 (rest of world name for VP9):

http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/pistols/sfp9/sfp9-sk/product-overview.html

[RJ]

Here is a cut out from the manual with the (coming soon?) mag options:

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[TCB]

Those factory 13 round mags with the blended floor plate kinda makes a VP9 the size of a G19 or P2000 pointless... would another 1/2" or 1" or whatever of barrel really make a difference in performance on a gun designed for CCW? I mean...I'd still buy one if they offered it but....other than adding on a full size WML (which would be reason alone for them to make one)?

[ADKilla]

What I really want is a VP9K that'd be the same size as a P2000. That'd carry like the bomb diggity for me

I just talked to HK rep at NRA Exhibit Hall. Short answer is yes, in 2018. He said that it's a matter of complying with US firearm import laws. A VP9 compact would require too many changes to be legally imported. HK is expanding production at the Columbus facility now, but is focused on MR556 and MR762, which will bring the price of those rifles down. After they get that done, he said they'll focus on VP-series.

[RJ]

I just talked to HK rep at NRA Exhibit Hall. Short answer is yes, in 2018. He said that it's a matter of complying with US firearm import laws. A VP9 compact would require too many changes to be legally imported. HK is expanding production at the Columbus facility now, but is focused on MR556 and MR762, which will bring the price of those rifles down. After they get that done, he said they'll focus on VP-series.

That is quite literally the best thing I've heard this year.

#vp9compactin2018 (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=vp9compactin2018)

[RJ]

Those factory 13 round mags with the blended floor plate kinda makes a VP9 the size of a G19 or P2000 pointless... would another 1/2" or 1" or whatever of barrel really make a difference in performance on a gun designed for CCW? I mean...I'd still buy one if they offered it but....other than adding on a full size WML (which would be reason alone for them to make one)?

I get this.

On the other side, reloads with a small grip gun, whose grip length is made up of (partly) the magazine is problematic (at least for me).

My size M guy hands are short approx 1/2" shy of fully covering the grip on my VP9.

So...P30SK at 4.57" is too short...a VP9 at 5.41" is too tall...hmmm...hmmm...:cool:

[TCB]

Rick, I've been using the 13 round mag as a reload on my P30sk without a sleeve and haven't had any issues with getting pinched or it getting hung up upon seating, also it gives a nice place to wrap my pinky. I think with the factory sleeved grips I'd still carry the unsleeved version for a reload. Or is the problem you are having with the mag getting hung up while releasing it?

If we are still carrying HK's when the compact comes out I'll grab one...I wonder if the full size slide will work on the SK or in the future compact frame...cuz that would be pretty cool...

[RJ]

Rick, I've been using the 13 round mag as a reload on my P30sk without a sleeve and haven't had any issues with getting pinched or it getting hung up upon seating, also it gives a nice place to wrap my pinky. I think with the factory sleeved grips I'd still carry the unsleeved version for a reload. Or is the problem you are having with the mag getting hung up while releasing it?

If we are still carrying HK's when the compact comes out I'll grab one...I wonder if the full size slide will work on the SK or in the future compact frame...cuz that would be pretty cool...

Probably more me. I have to shift my grip in order to avoid catching palm skin in the floor plate and frame.

Good idea not to use a sleeve. I had tried that at the range, but I'm so used to gripping super hard out of habit, that it actually hurt to shoot lol.

[TC215]

I handled the ones on display today at the NRA show. I liked them, but the magazine with the finger extension seemed to put my pinky finger in a weird position, like the spacing is weird.

I still plan on buying one.

[DanPop]

Thanks Wayne, Just put one on order. Good lookin' out! My P30sk will be going away as soon as I get a few hundred rounds through this and its ready for carry...Hopefully it fits in my JM IWB holster.

I am dying for a P30sk, why are you so eager to dump yours?

[Sherman A. House DDS]

https://www.cdnnsports.com/hk-vp9-sk-9mm.html

I don't work for CDNN however I DO spend a bunch of money there.


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[Drang]

I hate how the x-grip extensions slide around when not inserted into the gun.
P320 uses the same design X-Grip Adapter. I'm experimenting with a strip of electrical tape; early days, but it seems to work.

[TCB]

I am dying for a P30sk, why are you so eager to dump yours?

Personal preference...the P30SK is a great gun, but the VP trigger works better for me. It might be partially that I have to carry a LEM gun at work and am not a fan, the grass is greener and all that.

[Sam]

They run like raped apes. No breakages and mine's had one stoppage with an out of spec WWB round. I'm approaching 10K rounds now. Magnificent pistols...

Is that one produced in the first year of production? Has HK made any changes between the VP9 release and today?

[Ed L]

Here's the press announcement where a 'safety lever' is discussed in the context of the SFP9 (rest of world name for VP9):

http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/pistols/sfp9/sfp9-sk/product-overview.html

That safety looks like it would be quite hard to actuate during drawstroke.

Given the design of the VP9 they are limited in where they could put it. The gun has different internals than a P30 so they are not able to make a P30 style safety work with it.

[Ed L]

They run like raped apes. No breakages and mine's had one stoppage with an out of spec WWB round. I'm approaching 10K rounds now. Magnificent pistols...


Is that one produced in the first year of production? Has HK made any changes between the VP9 release and today?

Yes. Wayne's was one of the pre-release/early release ones that was sent out before the general public release.

[Sam]

Yes. Wayne's was one of the pre-release/early release ones that was sent out before the general public release.

Sorry, should have been more specific. Has HK made any changes since release that I can/should also make on my early production VP9s?

[EVP]

They started coming with the vp40 recoil springs at a certain point, but I would not really worry about changing it just for the sake of changing it.

Some prefer the old style spring because it is not as oversprung.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

Any guys know of a polymer surgeon that will remove the ditch in the bottom of the trigger guard? I put a piece of duct tape on my index finger to keep it from blistering me. I hope they deleted that on the VP9SK.


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[TC215]

I just talked to HK rep at NRA Exhibit Hall. Short answer is yes, in 2018. He said that it's a matter of complying with US firearm import laws. A VP9 compact would require too many changes to be legally imported. HK is expanding production at the Columbus facility now, but is focused on MR556 and MR762, which will bring the price of those rifles down. After they get that done, he said they'll focus on VP-series.

I asked 3 different reps about this today at the show. One said that it could possibly happen if the VP line continues to sell well, but it would take several years, because they haven't even started developing it yet. The other 2 both said that they doubted it would happen.


Any guys know of a polymer surgeon that will remove the ditch in the bottom of the trigger guard? I put a piece of duct tape on my index finger to keep it from blistering me. I hope they deleted that on the VP9SK.


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The SK does not have the trench. The reps said they got a lot of complaints about the trench on the VPs and HK45, so they removed it on the SK.

[HCM]

FYI they are in the wild. Local shop has a bunch of them. If I wasn't limited to Glocks at work I would be very tempted.

[Grey]

Need a scd stat

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[Kyle Reese]

HK will sell as many as they can make.

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[RJ]

I asked 3 different reps about this today at the show. One said that it could possibly happen if the VP line continues to sell well, but it would take several years, because they haven't even started developing it yet. The other 2 both said that they doubted it would happen.



The SK does not have the trench. The reps said they got a lot of complaints about the trench on the VPs and HK45, so they removed it on the SK.

Well...dang.

I may have to go fondle the grip of a P30 LEM (for purely uh....research purposes, of course.)

Good news on the trench. That comment was made a few times in 2015, I seem to recall.

[Balisong]

Any guys know of a polymer surgeon that will remove the ditch in the bottom of the trigger guard? I put a piece of duct tape on my index finger to keep it from blistering me. I hope they deleted that on the VP9SK.


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I know I've seen pics of work done by Gray Guns and/or Lazy Wolf with that done. But I know they're also expensive and it'll take quite a while, so don't know if it's worth it unless they're already doing other work to the gun as well.

[Ed L]

Any guys know of a polymer surgeon that will remove the ditch in the bottom of the trigger guard? I put a piece of duct tape on my index finger to keep it from blistering me. I hope they deleted that on the VP9SK.

Did you experience this problem with the full sized VP9?

I had this issue with the HK45 and the P30, but not with the VP9 since the backstrap is higher--allowing you to get a higher grip and thus keeping your finger away from the grove/trouth/ditch.

If you need it removed, Rick of www.lazywolfguns.com did my P30 and HK45.

[Ed L]

The SK does not have the trench. The reps said they got a lot of complaints about the trench on the VPs and HK45, so they removed it on the SK.

Yes!

[TC215]

Did you experience this problem with the full sized VP9?

I had this issue with the HK45 and the P30, but not with the VP9 since the backstrap is higher--allowing you to get a higher grip and thus keeping your finger away from the grove/trouth/ditch.

If you need it removed, Rick of www.lazywolfguns.com did my P30 and HK45.

Not Sherman, but I experienced the problem with my VP9's, but not my P30. I ended up removing the trench myself.

[Sensei]

FYI they are in the wild. Local shop has a bunch of them. If I wasn't limited to Glocks at work I would be very tempted.

I ordered mine from CDNN last night - $529 + $25 shipping. Should go out Monday or Tuesday...

They have full size VP9s for $499.

[RJ]

$483 plus shipping:

https://georgiagunstore.com/hk-vp9sk-9mm-3-39-10rd-blk-2mags.html




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[RJ]

$483 plus shipping:

https://georgiagunstore.com/hk-vp9sk-9mm-3-39-10rd-blk-2mags.html




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...and it's gone.

Either sold out or it was pulled for some reason.

When I saw it, supposedly they had 5.

[Mobettadefense]

I got to handle a VP9sk both with and without pinky extension Friday at NRAAM Atlanta 2017. It feels good in the hand but is not small enough for pocket carry IMO so I will stick with the VP9, Very eager to try the VP9L when it comes out. If I did not already have two VP9 pistols I could certainly see picking one up felt good and the excellent trigger was present as I expected.

[BobLoblaw]

Not Sherman, but I experienced the problem with my VP9's, but not my P30. I ended up removing the trench myself.

I did the same with both the P30 and VP9. Doesn't take much to remove the edge with some fine sandpaper and your finger.

[Amurr]

$483 plus shipping:

https://georgiagunstore.com/hk-vp9sk-9mm-3-39-10rd-blk-2mags.html




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I live in the town this shop is in. They are awesome. And always have the best prices around.

[RJ]

Question for those with both a P30SK and a VP9SK - The Striker design should allow a shorter slide, top to bottom than a hammer. Since overall height is the same (4.57", IIRC, per HK) is the grip on the VP9SK a bit longer on the back strap as a result?


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[Sensei]

Picked up my VP9SK last night. Tigger feels just like the full size. Here is a pic along with a G26 and 19:

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Basically, it is in between a 26 and a 19, but much closer to the 19. The G26 is about 1/2" shorter at the back of the grip, 1/4" shorter at the front of the grip, and 1/4" shorter at the front of the slide.

[Kyle Reese]

I got to shoot one on Friday night at the range. Very nice shooter. I think I'll pick one up mid-summer.

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[RJ]

I got to shoot one on Friday night at the range. Very nice shooter. I think I'll pick one up mid-summer.

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TYR - How is the Grip length relative to a G19?


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[Kyle Reese]

TYR - How is the Grip length relative to a G19?


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A bit abbreviated, but still very shootable.

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[RJ]

Picked up my VP9SK last night...

Basically, it is in between a 26 and a 19, but much closer to the 19. The G26 is about 1/2" shorter at the back of the grip, 1/4" shorter at the front of the grip, and 1/4" shorter at the front of the slide.

Sensei - Would it be possible to photograph, back to back, the G19 and the VP9SK? Trying to get an idea of the grip length from where the top of the web of one's hand rests to the bottom of the grip.

Thanks!

[Sensei]

Sensei - Would it be possible to photograph, back to back, the G19 and the VP9SK? Trying to get an idea of the grip length from where the top of the web of one's hand rests to the bottom of the grip.

Thanks!

Hopefully these help:

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BTW, do you like the bar in the background? It's part of my mancave; had to sell my 4 year old to the Mexicans to pay for it. ;)

[RJ]

Excellent, thanks. ^^^

Almost looks like with the fact it's a SFA with flatter slide, the VP9SK is *almost* the size of a G19 grip...hmmmm....


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[breakingtime91]

Excellent, thanks. ^^^

Almost looks like with the fact it's a SFA with flatter slide, the VP9SK is *almost* the size of a G19 grip...hmmmm....


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Bye bye LEM, we hardly knew ya

[RJ]

Bye bye LEM, we hardly knew ya

Pfft. I haven't even *seen* one of these little buggers. Besides, I'm unable to buy/sell zip till we get back to FL. :cool:


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[Sensei]

Excellent, thanks. ^^^

Almost looks like with the fact it's a SFA with flatter slide, the VP9SK is *almost* the size of a G19 grip...hmmmm....


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Keep in mind that I intentionally left the mags out of both guns. The gun shipped with 2 mag: flat baseplate and finger groove baseplate. With the flat baseplate, your small finger will wrap under the baseplate just with like a G26/27. The magazine with a finger groove adds a bit of length to the front of the grip. It is a big trade off.

One thing is for sure - this ain't a "pocket carry" gun, and the 9mm Glock platform is still the most efficiently sized gun (size vs. capacity) on the market for almost 30 years.

[psalms144.1]

Well - looks like HK finally made a G19 sized pistol. Unfortunately, it only holds 10 rounds...

[GJM]

BTW, do you like the bar in the background? It's part of my mancave; had to sell my 4 year old to the Mexicans to pay for it. ;)

When I see a golf course, I think that could have been a rifle range, and a bar could have been a dry fire area. :)

[Ed L]

Did some early tests with it. The VP9SC seems to shoot as accurately as the full-sized. It has a great trigger and does not have that accursed trough/trigger grove on the inside bottom of the trigger guard.

[TXBK]

Are these currently in stock anywhere other than Gunbroker?

[Ed L]

I thought CDNN had some

[Grey]

I thought CDNN had some

looks they dont anymore.

[TXBK]

looks they dont anymore.

Yeah, unfortunately, what he said...

[newyork]

Are these really that much easier to carry than a full size? If it's g19 size I'd think not. 10rds doesn't make a difference to me since I'm limited to 10 anyway. For most it is kind of a tough decision if it holds 10 when a g19 and vp9 hold 15. If it does in fact conceal considerably better then the trade is well worth it.

Why not the p30sk with a hammer instead?

[11B10]

Are these really that much easier to carry than a full size? If it's g19 size I'd think not. 10rds doesn't make a difference to me since I'm limited to 10 anyway. For most it is kind of a tough decision if it holds 10 when a g19 and vp9 hold 15. If it does in fact conceal considerably better then the trade is well worth it.

Why not the p30sk with a hammer instead?



I've been singing the praises of the P30SK. It's definitely smaller and still holds 10+1. You need to check them out.

[RJ]

Are these really that much easier to carry than a full size?



Yes, at least the P30SK is (vs. a VP9). The shorter grip makes a big difference for me.

I'm with you on the hammer. That's why I edc a P30SK LEM on my hip right now.

I think the attraction of the VP9SK is that it is at the intersection of Striker Fire Road (simple manual of arms) and "ah need somethin' fer protection" Avenue, down the street from the Boulevard of "HK makes reliable, accurate good-looking firearms".

If *I* was going to buy one (I'm not), it would be because of trigger commonality with my VP9.

They should sell oodles.

[newyork]

Not really sure my life really has a need for this genre of pistol because of my work but I'd lean p30sk even though a vp9 is my hd gun currently. Sundays in Summer might be enough reason to buy a 30sk since I'm an easy sell albeit poor haha

[TCB]

Just got my shipping notice! Should have mine at my FFL tomorrow...it being "only" 10 rounds is not a big deal to me, my duty gun "only" holds 12...and with a 13 round mag as a reload that is only 1 round less for off duty carry with a much more shootable (for me) and consealable pistol...winning.

[Sensei]

First range trip today: 100 rounds of 147 grain AE and 50 rounds of 115 grain AE. Zero malfunctions. Twice the slide failed to lock back because of my thumbs forward grip; I have this problem with my VP9 and most Sigs. All were with the 2 supplied 10-round mags. The mag with the finger extension pinches my finger between the mag and the grip; another common problem for me with other guns having extensions.

Accuracy was on par with my other VP9s despite the trigger being about 1/2 lb heavier (6 lbs on the sk; 5.5 on the FS).

I plan to take it out again tomorrow and run some GD and HSTs through it. More to follow...

[TCB]

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My VP9SK came in today! I took it outta the box and went straight to the range and put 300 rounds through it. This thing is a shooter, the grip area where the web of my hand hits is higher and slightly smaller than on my P30SK allowing me to get up on the gun much higher. The trigger is the nicest of my 4 other VP series guns, they are all consistently dry good but this one seems to be a bit crisper.

The VP9SK does not track quite as flat as the full size or shoot quite as soft but it does track better for me than the P30SK and the trigger (again for me) is much more shootable. With the pinky rest floorplate it handles like a full size gun. I was carrying and shooting my P30SK with the flat floorplate and the VPSK feels nearly the same with it size wise (but with the different grip shape and trigger shoots much nicer for me).

I'm going to switch my 10-8 rear and trittium front sight over to it from the P30 on Monday and make sure it's zeroed and then it's going right into carry rotation. It fits my JM IWB holster for the P30SK pretty well so I'll use that until I get onemage for this. It's a keeper!

[newyork]

Is anyone getting pinched during reloads?

[TCB]

16581My reload is the 13 round magazine without a sleeve...it eliminates and chance of pinching for me.

[newyork]

Or a neutered vp9 mag I guess (for ban states) ?

[TCB]

Or if they make a 10 round P2000 mag?

[RJ]

Is anyone getting pinched during reloads?

Yes (for a P30SK, anyway).

On the timer I have to be careful.

I'd have to say it's (reloading) is not a skill I practice a lot, vs. say an accurate first press on the draw from concealment.

[newyork]

Or if they make a 10 round P2000 mag?

They do.

[TCB]

It's a nice size for carry...

[Sensei]

Is anyone getting pinched during reloads?

On reloads as well as while firing as mentioned in my review 2 posts above yours. ;)

However, I have the problem with my G30 and G26.

[Mike C]

Just picked up one today and damn these little things shoot. I found mine to run a little softer than my full size with Federal Tactical Bonded 135gr +P.


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[TXBK]

Does the VP9SK work and/or fit well in a kydex VP9 holster?

[Mike C]

I have two JM Custom Kydex holsters both work well with the VP9SK.

[Jason M]

Or if they make a 10 round P2000 mag?

They do. Either Top Gun Supply or CDNN had them on sale recently.

[GJM]

Noir is a funny guy:


https://youtu.be/8kAlbMZbKgs

[Ed L]

I've been shooting the VP9Sk for about a week now. The gun shoots as well as the full sized model. Same great feel in the hand and ergonomics, same great trigger, same accuracy. Given these factors it is a comfortable and fun gun to shoot.

Wayne Dobbs gave it a try a few days ago and he really liked it as well. He confirmed that it is almost as accurate if not as as accurate as the full sized model.

[JBP55]

Picked up a VP9 SK LE today, will shoot it after I have a holster made.

[cjb1911]

Noir is a funny guy:


https://youtu.be/8kAlbMZbKgs

His camera guy has a serious set of nuts on him...

[RJ]

You guys with a VP9 and a SK, can you do me a favor?

Below is a pic of my VP9 vs. my P30SK.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/ed7beba218030eeb545eb923f34248ad.jpg

If possible, can one of y'all do the same, but with a VP9/VP9SK?

Trying to get an idea of actual Grip length of the SK, not the measured height. Thanks!

[Grey]

Thought you weren't getting one Rich... :P

I still need to go get me a 30sk....

[RJ]

Thought you weren't getting one Rich... :P

I still need to go get me a 30sk....

Asking for a friend. ;)


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[Jared]

Asking for a friend. ;)


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He's asking for me, since he got me all interested in this thing a few pages back :cool:

[Kyle Reese]

Asking for a friend. ;)


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Riiiiiiiiiight..........

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[Paladin]

Asking for a friend. ;)
That's what all addicts say.�� At least that's what I always tell my wife.
Rick

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[Qaz98]

Any idea on what weapon light works? Xc1?

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[RJ]

Riiiiiiiiiight..........

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Nah, I'm stuck at the moment. At least till I get back to FL 1 Dec, I can't buy a handgun out of state.

So it's really just out of interest I'm here participating. I'd like to see one, for sure. But no sale for at least six months.

If I didn't already have a good carry gun (P30SK LEM) and game gun (VP9), I'd be very tempted. But I do, and I shoot them both as well as I can.


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[RJ]

$559.99 Shipped.

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/tellafriend.cfm?id=193560

[CDFIII]

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Well... $589.00 out the door for the LE model. Might as well just automatically deposit my checks in HK's account. Trigger feels as good as my full size VP with 6k rds.through it. Range time hopefully this weekend.

[ShooterM9]

Had great first session with mine. Here is my report. (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?26206-HK-VP9SK-First-Range-Session-Report)

[GJM]

I picked up a new VP9sk, with night sights and three mags for $575, during a weak moment, and got to the range with it this afternoon. I shot 120 rounds, mostly PMC 115 and 20 Gold Dot 124+P. No stoppages, great shooting pistol, with very soft recoil. I wasn't using a timer, but I shot six Garcia dots from 7 yards, and all shots were in. Sights are drive the dot, or a few inches below POA at 25 yards.

The 3x5 is a 25 yard offhand group with Gold Dot, that a quick measure shows about 2 1/4 inches. The eight inch circle is five shots at 25 and five shots at 50 yards, all offhand. About a five inch group with the "flyer" taking it to about six inches.

18504

We live in the most amazing time for handguns. The VP9sk is great, the P10C is great, and a buddy just got a Beretta APX and FN -- gushing about them, too.

[holmes168]

I am constantly thinking of my next gun it seems, but just don't think I will find something I like as much as the VP9SK. It fits perfectly in my hand. I can conceal it easier than any pistol I've ever owned. It conceals easier than my former carry gun the G26. I really enjoy shooting it and expect to pass 1000 rounds with zero failures tomorrow morning. I do wish it had a gadget bc I'd like to AIWB with a bit more confidence. Also- unlike my glocks- I've not done one thing to the gun. No stipling, no new sights, nothing at all. IMO if you are looking for an amazing gun that is a bit bigger and easier to shoot than the G26, but conceals better than a G19- this is a great option.

[0119]

We live in the most amazing time for handguns. The VP9sk is great, the P10C is great, and a buddy just got a Beretta APX and FN -- gushing about them, too.

So true! When I bought a Sig M11-A1 last week I handled the HK VP9 while I was waiting. Oh my God Almighty...I've never hand a pistol that completely melted into my hand like it did. I can't think about anything else now! My FN's are such amazing pistols to shoot that they make me forget that I am a self profest 1911 nut. We truly are living in a time of amazing pistols. By the way that M11-A1 is so strangely accurate I thought someone else was shooting it.

[GJM]

For two somewhat similar pistols, it is interesting how different the VP9SK and P-10C are.

The CZ is like a steak and baked potato, compared to the HK being like a fancy French restaurant. CZ grip is basically straight, where the HK is rounded, has a ridge on the bottom at the front of the magwell, and magazines that continue the grip. That lip on the HK falls in the wrong spot for my wife's smaller fingers, as her small finger wants to fall on the lip. I really need the finger groove magazine, as with flat base plates the edge hits my small finger in a bad place. Here she is holding it:

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[GJM]

Started my session this afternoon, shooting the VP9SK. It is crazy accurate for a little gun. I shot one group at about 30 yards, and four shots were 1.5 inches, and the fifth no doubt me, dragged the group out to about 2.5 inches. That was with PMC 115 ball, which I don't think of as an "accuracy load." Shot a bunch of arrays, and it is extremely soft shooting for a compact pistol.

My wife shot it some, thought it was fine, but pronounced it was not a contender to replace her G26.

What is nice with the LE package, is add a holster and you basically are ready to go between magazines and tritium sights. It fits perfectly in my JM George for the VP9 full size. My only nit, is I wish the sights were tip of the front sight instead of drive the dot, and the trigger while good, has a bit of grit after the wall, which I only notice in 50 yard type shooting.

Think of this gun as a P30SK with a good trigger.

[holmes168]

Started my session this afternoon, shooting the VP9SK. It is crazy accurate for a little gun. I shot one group at about 30 yards, and four shots were 1.5 inches, and the fifth no doubt me, dragged the group out to about 2.5 inches. That was with PMC 115 ball, which I don't think of as an "accuracy load." Shot a bunch of arrays, and it is extremely soft shooting for a compact pistol.

My wife shot it some, thought it was fine, but pronounced it was not a contender to replace her G26.

What is nice with the LE package, is add a holster and you basically are ready to go between magazines and tritium sights. It fits perfectly in my JM George for the VP9 full size. My only nit, is I wish the sights were tip of the front sight instead of drive the dot, and the trigger while good, has a bit of grit after the wall, which I only notice in 50 yard type shooting.

Think of this gun as a P30SK with a good trigger.

I was reviewing the JM website- based on your experience today- would you recommend getting a VP9SK holster or holster for the VP9 and swap each pistol. I have enough in the budget this month for one pistol. With it being summer in Texas- I am pretty sure that I will be in short sleeve t-shirts for a few more months. My current holster is from DSG Arms and is for the VP9. The SK fits perfectly though.

[GJM]

I was reviewing the JM website- based on your experience today- would you recommend getting a VP9SK holster or holster for the VP9 and swap each pistol. I have enough in the budget this month for one pistol. With it being summer in Texas- I am pretty sure that I will be in short sleeve t-shirts for a few more months. My current holster is from DSG Arms and is for the VP9. The SK fits perfectly though.

Ask Tony, as he is the expert!

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Ask Tony, as he is the expert!

Not Tony, but I would default to running the full size length holster if going AIWB... the extra length will add comfort and reduce the tendency of the gun to want to spill over top the belt with movement.

[GJM]

I didn't intend it to be, but my practice session today was almost all VP9SK.

Here is the good. No stoppages, and I am through about 500 rounds. It hucks the brass out and just feels reliable. It is a very accurate pistol. I went one for one on eight inch steel to 80 yards, and then was 5/5 support hand only, on an eight inch plate at 40 yards. You do not feel like you are shooting a compact pistol when engaging targets at distance. I shot Gabe's test at the turbo level from concealed AIWB and open carry.

Here is the less good. Gun handling suffers from being a compact pistol. Draws take more attention, and are a bit slower and easier to screw up, compared to a full size grip pistol. Reloads for me, are like a monkey humping a football.

Anyone put a gauge on the trigger -- I am guess 5.5 pounds?

[holmes168]

I didn't intend it to be, but my practice session today was almost all VP9SK.

Here is the good. No stoppages, and I am through about 500 rounds. It hucks the brass out and just feels reliable. It is a very accurate pistol. I went one for one on eight inch steel to 80 yards, and then was 5/5 support hand only, on an eight inch plate at 40 yards. You do not feel like you are shooting a compact pistol when engaging targets at distance. I shot Gabe's test at the turbo level from concealed AIWB and open carry.

Here is the less good. Gun handling suffers from being a compact pistol. Draws take more attention, and are a bit slower and easier to screw up, compared to a full size grip pistol. Reloads for me, are like a monkey humping a football.

Anyone put a gauge on the trigger -- I am guess 5.5 pounds?

I am almost at 1,000 rounds know with only one stoppage- that was with my own reload- so can't say it was the 9sk. Funny you mention the reloading aspect- I spent 15 minutes working the paddles on my VP's against a G19. I found that using my index finger on the paddle was faster/easier than using my thumb on the 19.

BTW- my wife loves your Alaska journal- if we knew about finding work up that way- we would seriously consider it once the last kid is out of the house in 21 months and 3 weeks (but who's counting).

[Trooper224]

Put a few rounds through one of these a couple of days ago. It struck me as a good shooter and more controllable than I thought it would be. I actually found it more interesting than the full size VP9.

[TCB]

I didn't intend it to be, but my practice session today was almost all VP9SK.

Here is the good. No stoppages, and I am through about 500 rounds. It hucks the brass out and just feels reliable. It is a very accurate pistol. I went one for one on eight inch steel to 80 yards, and then was 5/5 support hand only, on an eight inch plate at 40 yards. You do not feel like you are shooting a compact pistol when engaging targets at distance. I shot Gabe's test at the turbo level from concealed AIWB and open carry.

Here is the less good. Gun handling suffers from being a compact pistol. Draws take more attention, and are a bit slower and easier to screw up, compared to a full size grip pistol. Reloads for me, are like a monkey humping a football.

Anyone put a gauge on the trigger -- I am guess 5.5 pounds?

Have you done any reloads with a 13 round magazine? I carry mine with the 10 in but my reloads are with the 13 (no sleeve) and it makes it much easier. The 10 rounders are much tougher to reload for me.

[GJM]

Have you done any reloads with a 13 round magazine? I carry mine with the 10 in but my reloads are with the 13 (no sleeve) and it makes it much easier. The 10 rounders are much tougher to reload for me.

Not yet, good idea.

[holmes168]

Not yet, good idea.

Not sure if you have a VP9- but I use that as my spare mag. Fits the SK with no problem.

[RJ]

Have you done any reloads with a 13 round magazine? I carry mine with the 10 in but my reloads are with the 13 (no sleeve) and it makes it much easier. The 10 rounders are much tougher to reload for me.

Not a VP9SK, and I have zip for experience compared to GJM, but he mirrors my experience with reloads on my P30SK exactly.

I had a lot of issues on reloads in my recent 2 day basic pistol class. I had 4 ten rounders and a sleeved 13 round USPc mag. The 13 round mag was no easier to manipulate than the smaller mags.

I like my P30SK for its size, and have no plans to sell it, though. I shoot it ok, but in lieu of a reload I'd prefer to CCW my VP9 at this point.

ETA: one issue I had I was curious about was whether the VP9SK ejects empty mags smartly? Might be me, or just my pistol, but my P30SK seemed to have issues with the mags dropping free. On my VP9 they pop out like candy bars at Intermission. Weight of the 15 rounders maybe?

[holmes168]

Not a VP9SK, and I have zip for experience compared to GJM, but he mirrors my experience with reloads on my P30SK exactly.

I had a lot of issues on reloads in my recent 2 day basic pistol class. I had 4 ten rounders and a sleeved 13 round USPc mag. The 13 round mag was no easier to manipulate than the smaller mags.

I like my P30SK for its size, and have no plans to sell it, though. I shoot it ok, but in lieu of a reload I'd prefer to CCW my VP9 at this point.

ETA: one issue I had I was curious about was whether the VP9SK ejects empty mags smartly? Might be me, or just my pistol, but my P30SK seemed to have issues with the mags dropping free. On my VP9 they pop out like candy bars at Intermission. Weight of the 15 rounders maybe?

Rich- why do you think you had the issues? I didn't notice this being any more difficult than a G26 or any other subcompact.

[Tony Mayer]

I was reviewing the JM website- based on your experience today- would you recommend getting a VP9SK holster or holster for the VP9 and swap each pistol. I have enough in the budget this month for one pistol. With it being summer in Texas- I am pretty sure that I will be in short sleeve t-shirts for a few more months. My current holster is from DSG Arms and is for the VP9. The SK fits perfectly though.

holmes168, I would recommend the fullsize HK VP9 holster, it fits the SK perfectly. FYI, these are about to be Quick Ship for fullsize and SK alike. AIWB, George, IWB3, and Wing Claw 2.5. Thanks

[PD Sgt.]

Rich- why do you think you had the issues? I didn't notice this being any more difficult than a G26 or any other subcompact.

In my experience with compact pistols, the G26, M&P 9c, and P30SK specifically, I have to open up the bottom two fingers of my strong hand so completely to avoid pinching that my grip is almost always compromised getting back on the pistol. What I usually find is that I am no longer as high up on the backstrap. As a result I get a lot more "flip" from the pistol with the resultant loss of recoil control.

I will say that for me, using full size mags alleviates this some, as I do not have to open up my fingers as much and I do not get pinched. I can also slow down my reload a bit (what seems to me quite a bit) and that helps a great deal as well.

I have been strongly considering the VP9SK, particularly since shooting one the other day, but right now it does not cover any application for me. I use my P30SK for AIWB when I am in just a t-shirt, as I shoot it pretty well even with the flat magazine baseplate and I prefer hammer guns for that type of carry. I use my M&P 9c (which I shoot the best of all the compacts I have tried) when I am working or carrying OWB but need a smaller pistol. I know the VP9SK would be more consistent with my P30SK, but I am pretty invested in the M&P right now.

One question I do have, will the VP9SK fit in P30/P30SK kydex holsters, or are there substantive differences in the two that prevent interchangeability?

[GJM]

Not a VP9SK, and I have zip for experience compared to GJM, but he mirrors my experience with reloads on my P30SK exactly.

I had a lot of issues on reloads in my recent 2 day basic pistol class. I had 4 ten rounders and a sleeved 13 round USPc mag. The 13 round mag was no easier to manipulate than the smaller mags.

I like my P30SK for its size, and have no plans to sell it, though. I shoot it ok, but in lieu of a reload I'd prefer to CCW my VP9 at this point.

ETA: one issue I had I was curious about was whether the VP9SK ejects empty mags smartly? Might be me, or just my pistol, but my P30SK seemed to have issues with the mags dropping free. On my VP9 they pop out like candy bars at Intermission. Weight of the 15 rounders maybe?

The bottom of your hand, may be impeding the magazine cleanly falling out. Pretty common with short grip pistols.

Try a 13 or 15 round magazine without a sleeve, and you probably will find it inserts easier.

[holmes168]

holmes168, I would recommend the fullsize HK VP9 holster, it fits the SK perfectly. FYI, these are about to be Quick Ship for fullsize and SK alike. AIWB, George, IWB3, and Wing Claw 2.5. Thanks

Great stuff Tony! I'll be putting the order in tonight! Wing Claw 2.5.

[TCB]

In my experience with compact pistols, the G26, M&P 9c, and P30SK specifically, I have to open up the bottom two fingers of my strong hand so completely to avoid pinching that my grip is almost always compromised getting back on the pistol. What I usually find is that I am no longer as high up on the backstrap. As a result I get a lot more "flip" from the pistol with the resultant loss of recoil control.

I will say that for me, using full size mags alleviates this some, as I do not have to open up my fingers as much and I do not get pinched. I can also slow down my reload a bit (what seems to me quite a bit) and that helps a great deal as well.

I have been strongly considering the VP9SK, particularly since shooting one the other day, but right now it does not cover any application for me. I use my P30SK for AIWB when I am in just a t-shirt, as I shoot it pretty well even with the flat magazine baseplate and I prefer hammer guns for that type of carry. I use my M&P 9c (which I shoot the best of all the compacts I have tried) when I am working or carrying OWB but need a smaller pistol. I know the VP9SK would be more consistent with my P30SK, but I am pretty invested in the M&P right now.

One question I do have, will the VP9SK fit in P30/P30SK kydex holsters, or are there substantive differences in the two that prevent interchangeability?

I carried my VP9SK in my P30SK JM IWB holster while I was waiting on them to build me one for the VP. It worked fine but the fit on the purpose built one is nicer.

[RJ]

Rich- why do you think you had the issues? I didn't notice this being any more difficult than a G26 or any other subcompact.

The grip length, primarily. The magazine floorplate would generally catch or be darn near to catching my palm. Mind, I was generally hurrying under the watchful eye of Mr. Givens.

Oh and plus the fact they would not drop free, as mentioned.

[RJ]

The bottom of your hand, may be impeding the magazine cleanly falling out. Pretty common with short grip pistols.

Try a 13 or 15 round magazine without a sleeve, and you probably will find it inserts easier.

Mebbe. I dunno.

Saturday night of class I held it with two fingers and hit the release. Mags would not drop. I cleaned and put them together thinking it would help, but no. Weird. Probably just me.

[STI]

I'm afraid I'd blow my pecker off AIWBing this thing

[GJM]

Mebbe. I dunno.

Saturday night of class I held it with two fingers and hit the release. Mags would not drop. I cleaned and put them together thinking it would help, but no. Weird. Probably just me.

If you have clean magazines, ideally with a very light wipe down with an oily rag, and the magwell is clean (push same rag through there), and your hand is not blocking egress, the magazines should drop right out. If not, it is something HK should fix.

[holmes168]

The grip length, primarily. The magazine floorplate would generally catch or be darn near to catching my palm. Mind, I was generally hurrying under the watchful eye of Mr. Givens.

Oh and plus the fact they would not drop free, as mentioned.

Rich- went home and worked with the VP9SK this evening. I did 30 reloads this evening as my dry fire (mainly b/c I tried the FAST drill and was terrible) without an issue. Magazine went straight to the ground. My pinky finger supports the bottom of the magazine on the SK and basically- I moved it out of the way and the mag dropped.
Sorry to hear about a not great experience with the P30SK- I really enjoy reading your training journal! I have thought about giving it or the Langdon CC a go as a full time carry pistol.

[GJM]

I split my practice session between the VP9SK and a USP 40 FS with a hybrid match LEM trigger.

I am hampered by lack of a proper fitting OWB holster for the VP9SK, and while I have a JM George AIWB, I am not keen on much full speed practice from appendix with a striker, being far from town. The VP9SK runs great and continues to impress me. I shot a few 2.05 Bill drills from 7 yards, with the limiting factor being my draw from the USP holster I am using for OWB. I decided, gasp, to practice reloads, and found a full size P30 15 round magazine to be faster and avoid any chance of pinching, like can happen with the SK finger groove magazine. No discomfort with the P30 15 round full size mag in the shooting I did. I also had to be careful to open my grip during reloads, to reliably make the short magazines drop cleanly. I shot some FASTs, from my open carry rig to test all the pieces together, and started mid 5's, and got down to the low 4's, as confidence increased. All the issue is the reload.

I did some walk back shooting on an eight inch plate, and basically lost interest, as it is so boringly repeatable. Comparing the VP9SK to other compactpistols, including the P30SK, P2000SK, Glock 26, P239, M&P Compact, and PX4C, the VP9SK is by a large margin, the best shooting compact long range pistol I have shot.

Inspired by Gio in the 19M thread, I then shot a six shot Bill drill at 25 yards from open carry, and shot 2.41, with 4A, 1C and 1D. I then tried to be more careful, and shot 3.15 with 4A, 2C. This was obviously shooting "for" A hits, as opposed to trying to guarantee A hits.

Right now, the only thing that is bugging me about the VP9SK is hitting my OWB draw consistently. I am not sure whether this is the short grip or the lack of a proper holster. I hope it is holster, as the grip drawing appendix feels pretty good.

Then I shot the LEM USP FS .40. Despite being about the best LEM trigger available, in the form of the match hybrid, this trigger takes gobs more attention to shoot than the VP9 trigger. About the time your eyes would be moving to the next target with the VP9, you better be still watching the front sight on the USP through the entire press. It also seems to require a more dynamic pressing motion compared to the VP9.

Rich, this is directed specifically to you. You can shoot the P30SK LEM well, but there are caveats. First, accept that whatever your best case performance is with the VP9, you will shoot only a percentage of that with the LEM. Second, you may well have to press the trigger differently with the LEM. Third, the time you spend shooting the VP9, will get you out of LEM practice. If someone is serious about carrying a LEM, they would do well to also game a LEM, and literally spend all their time LEM'ing. Rich, that means a P30 LEM for USPSA, or a VP9SK for carry and the VP9 for gaming.

[holmes168]

holmes168, I would recommend the fullsize HK VP9 holster, it fits the SK perfectly. FYI, these are about to be Quick Ship for fullsize and SK alike. AIWB, George, IWB3, and Wing Claw 2.5. Thanks

Tony- ended up starting out with the IWB3 instead of the AIWB. More thinking during my run tonight- I just feel a bit better until I am more experienced with the IWB carry method. Placed the order this evening and cannot wait for the new holster!

[GJM]

Forgot to mention that I tried "the test" with the VP9SK, shooting it freestyle, right and left hand only, even with a two finger grip. Without a magazine, it hucked each piece of brass way out there.

[EVP]

GJM how do you compare it with the full size?

[GJM]

GJM how do you compare it with the full size?


It has been too many months since I shot the full size to answer this well. Hopefully Talionis will be along on this question.

[holmes168]

GJM how do you compare it with the full size?

I'm not nearly the expert as many on this forum but I ran both of them against each other in the same drills and found the SK did a tad bit better. I do seem to shoot a little low but that's me not the guns.

I think the SK fits my hand really well- my pinky naturally supports the bottom of the ten round magazine when shooting.

[RJ]

Rich, this is directed specifically to you. You can shoot the P30SK LEM well, but there are caveats. First, accept that whatever your best case performance is with the VP9, you will shoot only a percentage of that with the LEM. Second, you may well have to press the trigger differently with the LEM. Third, the time you spend shooting the VP9, will get you out of LEM practice. If someone is serious about carrying a LEM, they would do well to also game a LEM, and literally spend all their time LEM'ing. Rich, that means a P30 LEM for USPSA, or a VP9SK for carry and the VP9 for gaming.

Yeah, I know I have arrived at a suboptimal situation. I'll work it out this fall, one way or another.

It's also a good reason why I support this forum. I hear what I need to hear, not what I want to hear.

[Talionis]

It has been too many months since I shot the full size to answer this well. Hopefully Talionis will be along on this question.

I only just got my hands on a VP9sk a couple days ago. What George has said mirrors my own experiences with the gun very closely, however. I find the SK to be the most shootable sub-compact gun of the current crop.

My initial impression over a couple hundred rounds with the SK is that it is at least 90% as shootable as the full size VP9, probably a bit higher. Now, that is separate from the gun-handling considerations. The SK is less forgiving on the draw, and is not as easy to reload quickly and consistently. In pure shooting, they are very close. I was extremely impressed with how well the SK tracks and returns to point of aim. The SK in my possession is a T&E gun at present, but it has impressed me enough that I will almost certainly be keeping it.

[RJ]

We shot a rental VP9SK the other day, my wife loved it. She informed me that we will be trading our P30SK for one ASAP.

What’s a good online option these days? Is this $578 cash at Buds a good deal for example?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/35160/Firearms/Handguns/Heckler+%26+Koch/Heckler+%26+Koch+H%26K+VP9+SK+Double+9mm+Luger+3.3 9+10%2B1+2+Mags

I’ve never bought a gun online before, or sold one for that matter.

[Guinnessman]

Rich,

Try Cross Creek Guns: http://www.crosscreekguns.com/VP9SK.html

Mike makes online shopping easy. ����

[Qaz98]

We shot a rental VP9SK the other day, my wife loved it. She informed me that we will be trading our P30SK for one ASAP.

What’s a good online option these days? Is this $578 cash at Buds a good deal for example?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/35160/Firearms/Handguns/Heckler+%26+Koch/Heckler+%26+Koch+H%26K+VP9+SK+Double+9mm+Luger+3.3 9+10%2B1+2+Mags

I’ve never bought a gun online before, or sold one for that matter.

Check out this link: https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/642230256262?upc_only=1&is_firearms_wikiarms=0

[Balisong]

We shot a rental VP9SK the other day, my wife loved it. She informed me that we will be trading our P30SK for one ASAP.

What’s a good online option these days? Is this $578 cash at Buds a good deal for example?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/35160/Firearms/Handguns/Heckler+%26+Koch/Heckler+%26+Koch+H%26K+VP9+SK+Double+9mm+Luger+3.3 9+10%2B1+2+Mags

I’ve never bought a gun online before, or sold one for that matter.
I haven't dealt with these folks but I'm considering buying a p30sk from them and this vp9sk price looks good

https://www.hkspecialiststore.com/product-detail?productId=1461&siteSearch=Vp9&pageSize=10&sortBy=sequence&pageNumber=2

[Kram]

We shot a rental VP9SK the other day, my wife loved it. She informed me that we will be trading our P30SK for one ASAP.

What’s a good online option these days? Is this $578 cash at Buds a good deal for example?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/35160/Firearms/Handguns/Heckler+%26+Koch/Heckler+%26+Koch+H%26K+VP9+SK+Double+9mm+Luger+3.3 9+10%2B1+2+Mags

I’ve never bought a gun online before, or sold one for that matter.


Rich,

It may be worth the extra $ for the LE model which comes with three mags and factory night sights. I am happy with my Glock 26 but have been wanting a VP9sk bad.

[GJM]

We shot a rental VP9SK the other day, my wife loved it. She informed me that we will be trading our P30SK for one ASAP.

What’s a good online option these days? Is this $578 cash at Buds a good deal for example?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/35160/Firearms/Handguns/Heckler+%26+Koch/Heckler+%26+Koch+H%26K+VP9+SK+Double+9mm+Luger+3.3 9+10%2B1+2+Mags

I’ve never bought a gun online before, or sold one for that matter.

Slippery slope down the better trigger hole! Kidding aside, why not a G5 26 to maintain commonality of holsters, mags, parts?

[MSparks909]

Slippery slope down the better trigger hole! Kidding aside, why not a G5 26 to maintain commonality of holsters, mags, parts?

X2

[cornstalker]

I have to agree with GJM. But.....

https://www.hkspecialiststore.com/product-detail?productId=1461&siteSearch=vp9sk&sortBy=sequence

[RJ]

Slippery slope down the better trigger hole! Kidding aside, why not a G5 26 to maintain commonality of holsters, mags, parts?

I know, but she she did not like the G26. Happy wife happy life.

[GJM]

I know, but she she did not like the G26. Happy wife happy life.


Here is some advice based on watching guys try to cater to non-shooting wives over a few decades. Disregard what she says, as they don’t know enough to matter when it comes to selection, and they will hardly shoot their desired gun anyways. If she is serious about learning to shoot, she will learn to shoot whatever you give her. If she isn’t serious, brand X vs Y won’t matter.

When you have 20, 50 or 100 guns, commonality doesn’t matter so much. When you have like two, it is important that they are part of the same system.

[RJ]

Rich,

It may be worth the extra $ for the LE model which comes with three mags and factory night sights. I am happy with my Glock 26 but have been wanting a VP9sk bad.

Thanks, but in our situation (civilian CCW) I subscribe to the Rangemaster theory that if dude has enough light to rob me in the WalMart Parking lot, I probably have enough light to identify dude and what is beyond him with normal sights.

The mag is a bonus, for sure, especially an HK mag.

I’ll go see what I might be getting in a trade deal here locally in Clearwater. Outbound FFL fees are running $50-$65 in my area.

Since the G5 G26 is coming I gather, another option is to wait to go back to the LGS to shoot a rental 26.5 when they appear. I’ve been impressed with my G19.5 quite a bit.

I do understand the appeal of a G26/G19, but you guys don’t know my wife, either. [emoji41]

[RJ]

Double tap

[Clusterfrack]

I’ve been considering a VP9sk for my daughter. She has a hard time manipulating the slide on Glocks, and the “ears” on the VP9 may be just what she needs. I’m still grumpy about HKs refusal to sell to Israel, but may have to overlook that.

[HopetonBrown]

I’ve been considering a VP9sk for my daughter. She has a hard time manipulating the slide on Glocks, and the “ears” on the VP9 may be just what she needs. I’m still grumpy about HKs refusal to sell to Israel, but may have to overlook that.How about an 11 or 13 lb recoil spring in a 17 and/or Brandon Wright's Tac Rack?

https://www.wrightshooting.com/tacrack
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180117/dad2a0f71f80e2f9a273f68ea5701165.jpg

[HopetonBrown]

I know, but she she did not like the G26. Happy wife happy life.Rich, seems like you guys have been cycling through a lot of guns while on your quest to find the perfect one.

Have you tried spending a solid year with one specific gun?

[Clusterfrack]

Thanks for the suggestion. This is a CCW, so it would have be a Glock 19, 26 or 43, and I don't think the slide racker would be appropriate for that role. And, I'm reluctant to put anything aftermarket in/on her gun.


How about an 11 or 13 lb recoil spring in a 17 and/or Brandon Wright's Tac Rack?

https://www.wrightshooting.com/tacrack
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180117/dad2a0f71f80e2f9a273f68ea5701165.jpg

[Duelist]

Thanks for the suggestion. This is a CCW, so it would have be a Glock 19, 26 or 43, and I don't think the slide racker would be appropriate for that role. And, I'm reluctant to put anything aftermarket in/on her gun.

G42 has a relatively easy to manipulate slide. Lower spring tension, it seems, than the 9mm counterparts.

Yes, then she'd be carrying a .380 instead of a 9mm, and yes, you'd have to start stocking .380.

[Clusterfrack]

Good point Duelist. If we have to go to a 42, that’s ok. She did pretty well with my 43 a few weeks ago, so I’m hopeful. She will be moving to the mountain states so I’d like her to have a 9mm in case of animal encounters.

[BigT]

I’ve been considering a VP9sk for my daughter. She has a hard time manipulating the slide on Glocks, and the “ears” on the VP9 may be just what she needs. I’m still grumpy about HKs refusal to sell to Israel, but may have to overlook that.
Feel better that is more Markells refusal to sell to Israel not HK's

[RJ]

I’ve been considering a VP9sk for my daughter. She has a hard time manipulating the slide on Glocks, and the “ears” on the VP9 may be just what she needs. I’m still grumpy about HKs refusal to sell to Israel, but may have to overlook that.

I didn’t find the charging supports on my VP9 all that helpful. In fact they got in the way. The rear of the slide was plenty grippy.

I pried them out with a steak knife (they’re polymer).

I guess it would be something to look at for someone with smaller hand strength, though.

[David S.]

I didn’t find the charging supports on my VP9 all that helpful. In fact they got in the way. The rear of the slide was plenty grippy.

I pried them out with a steak knife (they’re polymer).

I guess it would be something to look at for someone with smaller hand strength, though.

Rich. If you care about aesthetics, I think there are flush placeholders available.

[RJ]

Rich. If you care about aesthetics, I think there are flush placeholders available.

Good call.

[RJ]

Rich, seems like you guys have been cycling through a lot of guns while on your quest to find the perfect one.

Have you tried spending a solid year with one specific gun?

I bought a P30SK LEM in Oct '16 and carried it for CCW, and ran it in my Givens 2 day class this past summer. I bought my VP9 in 2015 and shot it in three matches and a Proctor class in Texas, also last summer. I finally realized I had neither the skill nor the time/$ to invest in the LEM to get good at it.

So in November last year I bought a G19.5 to replace both, which I am in the process of sorting out sight wise, have been carrying it daily since December, and plan to use it for all future carry/USPSA tasks.

I traded the VP9 for the Glock 19, and the P30SK was appropriated by my wife.

The recent activity here regarding carry gun options is for my wife, as she wanted to look at options. Ones she has shot included: A J frame, S&W Shield, S&W Compact 1.0, S&W full size 9mm 1.0, Walther PPS M2, SA XD, Glock 19 and 43, HK P2000 and USP Compact TDA, VP9, and obviously the P30SK. So I'm asking questions of ya'll to assist me to inform her so she can select a carry gun and start to learn to shoot it.

Current options she is looking at are a VP9SK and a Glock 26 Gen 5. The 26 is not out yet, but she did like shooting the VP9SK (I did too). However she understands the advantages of commonality of parts/magazines/etc. as well as the concept behind why the SCD is an additional layer of safety on a carry gun. Notwithstanding the VP9SK 1/4" trigger vs. Glock 1/2" trigger which I perceive to have value for a carry gun.

My thoughts are if the Gen 5 26 arrives without major issues and features the same rolling break trigger I feel on the Glock 19.5 (i.e. not a Staple Gun) and other Gen 5 advantages (no finger grooves, lefty friendly slide release/lock, GMB) and she can shoot it well, that would be the direction I would recommend her to go.

Obviously (cue gross generalization :cool:) wives, not unlike cats, are somewhat unpredictable.

[GJM]

1) I think you have well summed up the arguments. Only thing I would add is to tell your wife that the G26 is the thrifty choice, otherwise you will need to buy a second Glock and two HK pistols to have redundancy.

2) probably time to 86 the staple gun analogy because as someone who uses a staple gun every range session, they aren’t even close.

[Trukinjp13]

I would lean towards the g26.5 also. Especially if you go gadget. The commonality with the g19.5 is a great thing to have. Very reliable mag extensions are out there. Also good mag alternatives in general. I love the feel of the vp9sk. But it is a bigger gun then the g26.5. Lighter trigger and different mag release.


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[GJM]

As referenced above, the VP9SK while compact, is probably larger than your wife can carry concealed. My wife is 5-7, 120, a highly dedicated shooter, and the 26 is her upper limit for EDC under light clothing. She also goes 43, 42 and LCP, as clothing gets tighter/smaller.

[JodyH]

As referenced above, the VP9SK while compact, is probably larger than your wife can carry concealed. My wife is 5-7, 120, a highly dedicated shooter, and the 26 is her upper limit for EDC under light clothing. She also goes 43, 42 and LCP, as clothing gets tighter/smaller.
Yup.
My wife carries a PPS M2 and still has to dress around it.

[Kram]

13 and 15 round VP9sk magazines are now available on the HK Webshop....

https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/en/Handgun-Parts/Magazines/VP9SK-P30SK-13rd-9mm-Magazine/p/226345S

https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/en/Handgun-Parts/Magazines/VP9SK-P30SK-15rd-9mm-Magazine/p/226346S

[Balisong]

13 and 15 round VP9sk magazines are now available on the HK Webshop....

https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/en/Handgun-Parts/Magazines/VP9SK-P30SK-13rd-9mm-Magazine/p/226345S

https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/en/Handgun-Parts/Magazines/VP9SK-P30SK-15rd-9mm-Magazine/p/226346S

Looking forward to reviews, very strong possibility of me having these in the future. I'm curious exactly how different they are from the Xgrips and if they're any better

[navyman8903]

As referenced above, the VP9SK while compact, is probably larger than your wife can carry concealed. My wife is 5-7, 120, a highly dedicated shooter, and the 26 is her upper limit for EDC under light clothing. She also goes 43, 42 and LCP, as clothing gets tighter/smaller.

I think it's based on build and carry style. Also dress. My wife is 5'5" and 120lbs size 2. She carries a VP9 sometimes in a DSG AIWB holster, but the VP9 SK is her favorite/much more comfortable for her. She does also carry a USPc 9mm she recently picked up from time to time. She has an xds 9mm she runs as well when she's going single stack (bought before Springfield bailed on the 2nd Amendment.) I'm trying to convert her to the G43 if I decide to get one.

But it's all in her build and how she carries. If my wife can carry a VP9 full size AIWB, shouldn't be too hard to carry a VP9sk. It's almost G26 size anyway. Though honestly, hips and curves play a role in it all too. Women's clothes are notoriously not setup for carry.

[Steaz]

Does the VP9SK work and/or fit well in a kydex VP9 holster?

I know this is an old post, but the thread is semi-recent at the end and I have a response, so

I just bought a VP9SK and it fits my full size VP9 Stealthgear USA ventcore IWB holster perfectly. I haven't carried it that way yet. That is a hybrid style, not a all kydex, but it does fit just perfectly

[shiv]

I’ve been considering a VP9sk for my daughter. She has a hard time manipulating the slide on Glocks, and the “ears” on the VP9 may be just what she needs. I’m still grumpy about HKs refusal to sell to Israel, but may have to overlook that.

My spouse can rack my VP9 easily, perhaps in part, due to the ears. I’m quite a fan of the VP9SK, having finally spent some time on one. It was a tack-driver. I’m not a good pistol shooter, but managed to put ten rounds into about 4” at 15 the first magazine. I have Glocks, Smith’s, and standard VP9s out the wazoo, but the VP9SK may be the first gun both of us could live with. I’m quite tempted to pick two or three up so we each have a carry and a spare.


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[Steaz]

13 and 15 round VP9sk magazines are now available on the HK Webshop....

https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/en/Handgun-Parts/Magazines/VP9SK-P30SK-13rd-9mm-Magazine/p/226345S

https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/en/Handgun-Parts/Magazines/VP9SK-P30SK-15rd-9mm-Magazine/p/226346S

13 round

Left to right

G26 Magpul 12+1...G19...VP9SK 13+1...VP9
https://i.imgur.com/pJoutsI.jpg

[Balisong]

13 round

Left to right

G26 Magpul 12+1...G19...VP9SK 13+1...VP9
https://i.imgur.com/pJoutsI.jpg

That's a cool comparison pic, thank you!

[Mike C]

Steaz, is the extension for the 13 round mag a sleeve that fits over the mag and gets locked in by the floor plate or does it easily slide on and off the mag?

[Steaz]

Steaz, is the extension for the 13 round mag a sleeve that fits over the mag and gets locked in by the floor plate or does it easily slide on and off the mag?


It is locked in to the baseplate, it's not going to slide up the magazine and be annoying the way many magazine sleeve fill-ins can.

You can see the locking tab better in this one
https://i.imgur.com/ldWu3Ox.jpg

Here are a couple similar taken before I got the 13 round SK mag, and including an FNH FNS 9c (which I find to be an under-appreciate firearm, it's good)
https://i.imgur.com/zg8sJSJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/H3mJVm8.jpg

[Mike C]

Steaz great photos man thank you. The extensions look great, gotta love that HK took into consideration that the sleeve would ride up and locked it down. It also looks nicely rounded so it should aid in concealment. I looks like a solid product all the way around.

[Steaz]

I think the VP9SK will conceal a little better than those photos illustrate (haven't yet, just got it, will soon) because the VP slides are taller than the Glocks, so measuring from the top of the sights isn't as accurate, I don't think, for in-holster concealment height, as it would be if you say rested on gun on top of the other and lined up the trigger guards. Some of that height difference in the photos will be in the holster/beltline/pants, not sticking out with the grip.

Handling them side by side I expect the 13+1 VP9SK to probably conceal pretty much identical to the G19. Which is a fantastic thing, if you ask me, considering how horrendously large the 10+0 factory pinky rest is.

[shakycat]

Is the VP9SK able to accept barrels from the other VP9 models? I know websites will state only the VP9SK threaded barrel is compatible, but the Hellcat series for example will allow a Pro barrel in the micro OSP version. The VP9 itself is stated to accept any of the larger barrels, so I'm curious if the VP9SK can as well, and if not, what is different in the design? Threaded barrels aren't allowed to be used in my state, and even if I file the threads I would rather have a genuine H&K barrel, having seen the accuracy tests performed on this website. Thank you for your time.