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LittleLebowski
04-18-2017, 10:51 AM
If you're loading these, what's your COAL?

JCS
04-18-2017, 11:12 AM
1.125 using bayous out of a Glock 34 shoots really accurate.


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cjb1911
04-18-2017, 11:26 AM
If you're loading these, what's your COAL?

I use 1.135" with 3.3gr TG or 3.9gr WSF(if I want less smoke). So far 10K over 147br Bayou Bullets without a hiccup in glocks, Hks, sigs, and DW.

Sal Picante
04-18-2017, 12:18 PM
somewhere ~1.120-1.130... Mixed brass gives mixed results. But that's ok...

Matt O
04-18-2017, 01:38 PM
I'm currently testing some of Les' .357-sized 147 gr pepperoni poppers @ 1.135-140. Works in a 92 and P226.

LittleLebowski
04-18-2017, 02:14 PM
I'm getting some case gauge failures at 1.13 using all Dillon dies, considering a Lee U die or FCD if bumping down the COAL isn't the answer.

cheby
04-18-2017, 02:29 PM
OAL depends on the bullet profile and the barrel. I loaded FP bullets as short as 1.065 for my CZ. You can load way longer for Glock OEM barrels. If you use any aftermarket barrel you need to measure what OAL would work in your barrel. Here is how:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=34225.0

With 147 gr I have used the following powder: - 3.45 gr WST, 2.9 Titegroup, 3.75 Power Pistol, 3.2gr Bullseye, 3.0gr 700x, 3.45 Unique. All work fine. WST is my favorite (less smoke and very soft)

JCS
04-18-2017, 02:40 PM
I'm getting some case gauge failures at 1.13 using all Dillon dies, considering a Lee U die or FCD if bumping down the COAL isn't the answer.

Using a 550b and all Dillon dies I was having about 10% CG failures. Sometimes higher. I switched to a Lee fcd and it's around 1-2%. This was all at the same oal.


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cjb1911
04-18-2017, 03:12 PM
OAL depends on the bullet profile and the barrel. I loaded FP bullets as short as 1.065 for my CZ. You can load way longer for Glock OEM barrels. If you use any aftermarket barrel you need to measure what OAL would work in your barrel. Here is how:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=34225.0

With 147 gr I have used the following powder: - 3.45 gr WST, 2.9 Titegroup, 3.75 Power Pistol, 3.2gr Bullseye, 3.0gr 700x, 3.45 Unique. All work fine. WST is my favorite (less smoke and very soft)

Thanks for posting your WST data, to date I only used WST in my 45-200SWC loads. I still have a ton left from a 8lb keg bought 3-4 yrs ago.

Note: I dont use a case gauge, I use the plunk test with glock 17 OEM for the most part.

cheby
04-18-2017, 03:25 PM
Yeah, I use the plunk test for the loads I use for matches but for practice loads it takes too much time
I do not believe the reason for cage gauge failures at 1.13 is OAL. 10% failure rate is too high. Most likely it is bulged brass (Those Glocks:)). The Lee dies help, especially the factory crimp die - https://www.midwayusa.com/product/557190/lee-carbide-factory-crimp-die-9mm-luger.
Also this one can help as well:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/386755/lee-undersized-carbide-sizing-die-9mm-luger

cjb1911
04-18-2017, 03:40 PM
Yeah, I use the plunk test for the loads I use for matches but for practice loads it takes too much time




I never said I plunk test each rd. HAHAHA, I usually plunk test a few when I start then I go balls to the wall. I'm using a dillon sizer, with Redding Competition Seater and Crimper. I also have a LEE FCD I was using to try to get those Bayou 150 SWCs work but I've all but given up on those little bastards.

nwhpfan
04-18-2017, 04:21 PM
1.155......but I shoot RN because they are more accurate and better....so I've been told.

Out of a Glock KKM; 3.1 BE or Competion, 2.9 TG, 3.6 WSF, 3.4 AA#2.

Mirolynmonbro
04-18-2017, 07:56 PM
1.09 coal with 3.0 titegroup in a CZ P07/P09.

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dsa
04-18-2017, 09:04 PM
1.145" OAL, .379" crimp 3.9gr ETR-7 (my last 4lbs) out of my STI Trojan

Sal Picante
04-18-2017, 10:59 PM
I'm getting some case gauge failures at 1.13 using all Dillon dies, considering a Lee U die or FCD if bumping down the COAL isn't the answer.

1.) Might want to make sure the sizing die is as far down as it can be.
2.) Might want to add a bit of crimp
3.) If all else fails, Lee sizing die sizes a hair tighter and can get closer to the rim.
4.) Lee Factory Crimp Die is nice. I like it.

LittleLebowski
04-19-2017, 07:24 AM
1.) Might want to make sure the sizing die is as far down as it can be. Yup, that's how it was set up, snug plus an 1/8th of a turn.
2.) Might want to add a bit of crimp. That was done.
3.) If all else fails, Lee sizing die sizes a hair tighter and can get closer to the rim. Got a Lee U Die ready, see following.
4.) Lee Factory Crimp Die is nice. I like it. It worked well last night.

Matt O
04-19-2017, 09:11 AM
FYI, I do use a U-die on my reloads and find it definitely helps.

Also as a general aside in response to an earlier comment about decreasing OAL, depending on the brass type and bullet size/shape, sometimes you need to do the opposite (assuming you don't do that to the point of hitting the rifling). For example, with Aguila brass and 147 gr bullets, I have to run the COAL longer as seating too deep bulges the brass right around the cannelure which causes case gauge failures.

Matt O
04-19-2017, 06:16 PM
I'm happy enough with these I ordered several thousand more of the .357-sized ones (thanks for the code Les!) but someone in SNS decided to ship me the .356-sized versions instead. :(

rdtompki
04-19-2017, 06:54 PM
I load Bayou 147gr at 1.14" for my SA 9mm 1911. I had use an FCD for more than 50K rounds of 115gr bullets, but found with the long Bayou's I was actually swaging down the base of the bullet. This certainly isn't good for accuracy, but worse one of the headstamps, CRB I believe, was springing back at the bullet base. I could disassemble the completed round by hand.

I now just use a Redding Taper/Crimp die and a Lee Undersize die at the first station. It does seem to make more sense to get the case shaped-up in the beginning versus squeezing things down at the end. I'm moving away from the 147's. No problem with the bullet, but feeding the first round I tend to get a stutter. The 124gr TCG Bayou bullets at 1.12" feed better and loading as soft as I do for steel challenge I can't really tell the difference.

BN
04-19-2017, 07:33 PM
I am loading the Bayou 147 flat points to 1.125 COAL. This works in my Glocks and my short chambered CZ's. I had to load the Bayou 135 round nose to 1.100 to work in my CZ's.

I use a EGW U die to size and a Dillon crimp die. I used to use a Lee Factory Crimp die but it caused me problems, but I don't remember what. I use the regular crimp die to just straighten out the bell.

Boxy
04-19-2017, 07:42 PM
I had the same case gauge issue with those bullets and had to use a Lee Crimp Die to fully size it down. Much head ache getting it straighten out. I just gave up on the coat bullets and use precision delta fmj.

Clusterfrack
04-19-2017, 07:47 PM
9mm 147 SNS coated
1.125” COL
N320: 3.2gr: 910fps
N320: 3.3gr This is my favorite Glock load, but for some reason I can't find my chrono data for this one.
N320: 3.4gr: 933fps
N320: 3.6gr: 962fps

Leroy
04-19-2017, 07:53 PM
Case gages only check finished case dimemsions. Depending on the diameter of your bullet the clearance hole for the bullet may not allow oversized bullets to gage properly. My 9mm gage will allow nicely centered .357 bullets in but .358 is a no go. This is something to keep in mind with loading coated.

LittleLebowski
04-20-2017, 07:42 AM
I'm happy enough with these I ordered several thousand more of the .357-sized ones (thanks for the code Les!) but someone in SNS decided to ship me the .356-sized versions instead. :(

Tell them, you may have to call. I believe that they will make it right.

Matt O
04-20-2017, 12:34 PM
Tell them, you may have to call. I believe that they will make it right.

Yeah, I shot an email over to them yesterday evening and had a response/new shipment notification as of this morning.

Now just to figure out when/how to cart this 60+ pound beast of a package over to USPS for return shipping.

LtDave
04-20-2017, 02:39 PM
9mm 147 SNS coated
1.125” COL
N320: 3.2gr: 910fps
N320: 3.3gr This is my favorite Glock load, but for some reason I can't find my chrono data for this one.
N320: 3.4gr: 933fps
N320: 3.6gr: 962fps

3.3 N320 averaged 926 fps out of my M&P 9L with Bayou Bullets. It is also my favorite 147 coated bullet load. My OAL is about 1.135.

JCS
04-20-2017, 02:51 PM
Is n320 worth the 2x cost of say Titegroup?


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Clusterfrack
04-20-2017, 02:55 PM
Is n320 worth the 2x cost of say Titegroup?


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N320 is my favorite powder, and to me has a noticeably smoother recoil impulse without making me wait on the gun to cycle. It's much cleaner and cooler as well. But no, I don't think it's worth 2x Titegroup.

richiecotite
04-23-2017, 07:42 PM
147 gr SNS bullet
4.0 gr WSF
1.13 OAL

This is the only handload I've ever chrono'ed; if I remember it averaged around 930 fps; the 147 gr HST factory loading was around 980. This was out of a storm lake M&P 40-9 conversion barrel


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