Week 211: Double B

[Mr_White]

Week 211: Double B

Results may be posted until May 7th, 2017.

Designed by: MSparks909
Range: 7 and 25 yards
Target: USPSA Metric or IDPA, PLUS B8 repair center, download here: https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=281&d=1322428748
Start Position: Holstered
Rounds Fired: 16
Par time: 30 seconds

Thank you to MSparks909 for this original contribution to the Drill of the Week!

Setup: Place the USPSA or IDPA target at 7 yards, and the B8 repair center at 25 yards. Start with the handgun loaded and holstered with exactly six rounds. You'll also need a 10 round magazine to reload with. Set the timer to a 30 second par.

Procedure: At the start signal, draw and shoot a Bill Drill to the USPSA/IDPA target (6 rounds) at 7 yards. Immediately reload and shoot 10 rounds to the B8 repair center at 25 yards. No extra shots allowed. Shots over the 30 second par count as misses. Total your score.

Scoring: Add up the points on both targets. On the USPSA/IDPA target, A/-0 zone = 5 points, B/C/-1 zone = 3 points, D/-3 zone = 1 point. On the B8 repair center, the scoring rings determine the number of points. X/10-ring = 10 points, 9-ring = 9 points, etc. There are 130 possible points.

You must shoot at least 115 points, under the 30 second par time to Pass.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used
Total points
Total time
Pass or Fail
Anything you noticed

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

[DG12]

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used: P30 V2, AIWB Kydex, T Shirt
Total points: 106
Total time: 27.01
Pass or Fail: Fail
Anything you noticed: Shot this after completing DOTW 210. Not happy about this score at all. Totally blew the 25 yard/B8 portion. No shots off the target, but it's a shear wonder. The hits were all over the place. I just didn't shoot this very well, plain and simple. Didn't screw up the reload, but it wasn't anything special. The one positive is my grouping was pretty good on the Bill Drill for whatever that's worth. I'll try this again at some point in an effort to redeem myself on the longer target. Thanks for posting this Gabe!

[MSparks909]

Ran this the other day when I was messaging Gabe about the drill. It's a barn buster if you don't have a good 25Y zero. The Bill Drill and reload don't give you a lot of time to get 10 good shots on paper.

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used: Beretta/Wilson Brigadier Tactical in USPSA Production belt rig (no concealment)
Total points: 119
Total time: 25.90
Pass or Fail: Pass

On the 25Y portion I just focused on settling the sights after each shot and executing a good trigger press.

I'm going to run this later with my PX4 Compact and see how it goes.

[MSparks909]

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used: P30 V2, AIWB Kydex, T Shirt
Total points: 106
Total time: 27.01
Pass or Fail: Fail
Anything you noticed: Shot this after completing DOTW 210. Not happy about this score at all. Totally blew the 25 yard/B8 portion. No shots off the target, but it's a shear wonder. The hits were all over the place. I just didn't shoot this very well, plain and simple. Didn't screw up the reload, but it wasn't anything special. The one positive is my grouping was pretty good on the Bill Drill for whatever that's worth. I'll try this again at some point in an effort to redeem myself on the longer target. Thanks for posting this Gabe!

Shoot 2-3 B8s before you try the drill again (slow fire; not 10 minutes long but a minute or so). Take your time on those, see where your gun hits with your sights at 25. Half the battle is knowing where to hold to get them in the black. I'm lucky that the fiber optic on my sight sits neatly in the black section of the B8 @ 25.

[jdesro]

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used: Smith & Wesson M&P40 in a JMCK AIWB, concealed
Total points: 98
Total time: 28.44
Pass or Fail: FAIL
Anything you noticed:

This was the second run at this. My first run was way too fast (I did it in 15.87 sec!) and the 25 yard results were dismal.
On the second run I took my time and got better hits, but a miss and too many 7's hurt my score.

I think this is a really good drill with a nice combination of close in speed shooting, and then forcing you to slow down some to get the long range hits. It's a drill I'm going to keep working on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF3Ke-AnxJU

[MVS]

G17 MOS w/DPP , Raven Eidolon concealed under pullover.
117 Points
23.35 seconds
Pass (not by much)

My points that got away from me on the B8 were high. Could have ran the bill drill faster than the 2.86 I ran it in but it was already a little tough going from that to the 25 yard shots and trying to get the pacing right. I would like to run through this one a few times.

[BobM]

M&P40/TLR, Safariland ALS paddle holster
Score 92 in 28 seconds. Put three of the Bill Drill shots into the -1 zone. Good exercise in "switching gears"

[Doc_Glock]

Did the DOTW Double B several times.

First with G19L Eidolon concealed: Nailed Bill Drill, made time missed four 25 yard shots.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170413/78dbf27a629dc3d477d742a5cfa73350.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170413/901635bf9f9c0a8b7d77b5cba4ce69c5.jpg

Ran it again with Sig P320 JMCK AIWB concealed, but forgot to photo targets. Dropped a one to -1 and the bill drill group opened up a bit, missed two at 25 yds.


G19L: 30+45=75, time: 25.9 four misses at 25.

P320c: 28+78=106, time: 22.5 two misses at 25.

[MSparks909]

I know you had 4 misses at 25 with the G19, but man the rest of those shots are tight and centered! Especially compared to what you shot with the P320.

[Doc_Glock]

I know you had 4 misses at 25 with the G19, but man the rest of those shots are tight and centered! Especially compared to what you shot with the P320.

Thanks. To be clear both targets are the Glock, I used B8 for both distances, calling the 8ring the A zone. The top photo was 7yds and probably a 5 sec bill drill. Bottom is 25 yd target. I shot significantly faster with the Sig on the Bill Drill portion once I realized I could loosen up a bit. Learning.

[backtrail540]

Gen glock 17, chopped to 19 length, full stipple, ny1 and (-) connector
Concealed under a sweater
87 total points
19.xx seconds
FAIL

I finally got back to the range after a six month hiatus with only dry practice to sustain me. It showed. I picked this dotw just because it was fairly quick and i wanted to get back to doing these again, although i figured it would be a definite challenge. I had three shots that were outside the 7 ring in what would have been the six ring so instantly lost 30 points. Then two in the 7, two in the 8, and a 9 plus one c during the bill drill totaled a super unimpressive failure. I left way to much time on the table and shouldn't have dropped the 3 shots at 25. I'm playing around with the ny1 (-) connector combo and I'm rather meh on it. I like the fact it pretty closely eliminates the wall but don't think it adds any significant safety margin at all. The extra weight doesn't bother me. I'll probably run it for the rest of a thousand rounds just to give it a fair shake but will most likely not keep it. My poor trigger control, lack of patience is what failed me today and nothing more. I forgot to write down the exact time but i left approximately 10 seconds on the clock that i could have used to clean up with.

In other news I'm finally going to start a training journal when i get around to it here soon. Which is odd because I'm budgeted to shoot less this year than any other in the last five. Go figure

[martin_j001]

Gen 4 Glock 34, Zev V4 connector, HRED, Dawson Charger sights (serrated front with fluorescent orange paint), X300U, CNC Keroman V2 holster.

Run 1: 14.95; 6A, 1x10, 4x9, 3x7, 2xmiss (one on target in what would be 6 zone, other low left about 2" off target paper). Score: 97, FAIL Obviously shot way too fast. Patience when shooting at distance is not a virtue I naturally possess and this has always been a significant problem for me.

Run 2: 17.70; 6A, 2x8, 2x7, 6xmiss (several in low/left of what would be 6 zone, 2 off target--one low left and one low). Score: 60, EPIC FAIL. Tried going slower, didn't actually happen by all that much. Overthinking all the 25 yard shots and definitely not getting a good sight picture before breaking the shot. I noticed I was thinking about "what's next" right away in the drill...even as I shot the Bill Drill on the 7yd target, I was starting to think about the reload and the 25 yard target.

Run 3: 22.90; 4A/2C, 2x10, 3x9, 2x8, 2x7, 1 miss (just off paper, low left). Score: 103 Fail Yep, I still suck. Time management felt better, although I still had plenty left, and should have used it as it clearly pays on the 25 yard target (even with a few C hits on Bill Drill).

Takeaways: I could take the time to shoot a perfect Bill Drill (still under 5 seconds), take my time to reload (still under 5 seconds), and still have what to me is gobs of time (2 seconds per shot) to do this drill. Time management, shooting slower, is a huge weakness of mine. Also, between this and the other shooting I did yesterday, I'm still trying too forcefully to mitigate recoil, and ending up with the low and low/left problem, especially out at 25 yards.

[SsevenN]

Tried this today, did horrible, my shots were garbage and on top of that the 2,000 rounds of reman ammo that came in was malfunctioning every 10 shots or so, locking the slide up (like - beat the ass of the gun against a tire and still can't get the round seated) - could not shoot it clean without a malf, still failed shots miserably despite the malfs.

Going to bring my primary gun out tomorrow and try again with the same ammo, I'm guessing it's going to be equally as ugly accuracy and function wise.

[SsevenN]

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used HK P30L LEM w/ TLR-1 HL, KSG Armory Custom, AIWB
Total points 97/99
Total time Both ~20 seconds
Pass or Fail FAIL
Anything you noticed

Dug up some serviceable ammo and shot this twice today, disappointing but expected results.

I counted anything outside the 7 as 0 since I cannot score it.
I had a hard time judging my expenditure of time and accommodating the use of it, also I'm bad under pressure, particularly with precision, even if I had full B8s I would have come up shy, this was tough.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/SsevenN_photo/Double%20B%20Fail%201_zpszzqxppga.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/SsevenN_photo/Double%20B%20Fail%202_zpsnpxwoqzw.jpg

[DG12]

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used:Sig P320, OWB, T shirt concealment
Total points:116
Total time:25.87
Pass or Fail:Pass
Anything you noticed: Rushed a little probably around the 20 second mark and had three bad shots in the "7" zone, all high. Ended up with up with plenty of time left not to have done that.

[SsevenN]

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used P30L w/ TLR-1 HL
Total points 108
Total time 20.6
Pass or Fail FAIL
Anything you noticed
I gave it my all but couldn't put it all together.
I'm just not up to snuff with the timed fire at 25 yards. Also I still can't get my head around how much time I have left, I always think I've used more time than I actually have.

https://youtu.be/6GHM_RT4Jlg

[MSparks909]

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used P30L w/ TLR-1 HL
Total points 108
Total time 20.6
Pass or Fail FAIL
Anything you noticed
I gave it my all but couldn't put it all together.
I'm just not up to snuff with the timed fire at 25 yards. Also I still can't get my head around how much time I have left, I always think I've used more time than I actually have.

https://youtu.be/6GHM_RT4Jlg

This is a tough drill! Don't beat yourself up! I'm gonna shoot it this week with my PX4 fullsize and compact and see if I can pass it. Shooting it with the Brig Tac makes it a lot easier on me. I may run it with one of my 1911s just because...it's totally like cheating.

[Mr_White]

Shot this one cold before class the other day.

Gen3 G34, concealed in a Keeper under a polo shirt
119 points
28.14
Pass
Fun drill! Thanks again, MSparks909!

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[The Quiet One]

Thank You to Mr. White and MSparks909 for this DOTW!

My Wife is my shooting partner, so a twofer. We shot this after some Carbine shooting, cold on the pistol.

His: M&P Fullsize 4.25", Barsto barrel, Dawson Sights, Apex FSS, Ready Tactical OWB Holster, Open
125
24.12
Pass

Hers: M&P Fullsize 4.25", Stormlake barrel, Dawson Sights, Apex FSS, Raven Concealment OWB, Open
116
27.98
Pass

16211

We shot it again as I felt like these were A-Typical results for us.....

His:
125
27.42
Pass

Hers:
91 (3 shots over time scored -30)
36.53
Fail

Great drill. We were both pleasantly surprised by our 25 yard shooting, we have been working on it quite a bit lately.

[MSparks909]

Great shooting you two! That is solid shooting. Nice work :cool: