Beretta 92 "G" Conversion...........

[Trooper224]

I recently installed this on a couple of my 92s and thought I'd share a few detail shots, as I haven't seen very many on the web.

The parts were easy enough to install without any fitting required. If you've removed/installed a 92 lever before this won't hold any real surprises. There are a few good Youtube videos illustrating how to and I'd advise watching one before you jump in. Beretta kindly sends two of every spring and detent necessary, so you may be able to avoid hunting around on the kitchen floor, not that I've ever had to do that. The torsion spring that is the key part in eliminating the safety feature is strong and provides a positive decocking action, at least no problems have been encountered over the last five hundred rounds through one pistol. The off side lever is a bit more pronounced than the factory FS part it replaces, but it's not overly obtrusive. While it may not be as attractive aesthetically, that's a small price to pay for restoring the ambidextrous capability that was lost with the Wilson low-pro single sided levers I'd initially used. The parts seem to be of good quality and at $55.00 a unit (I bought two at a discount of $98.00 total) it's a cost effective alternative to the $150.00 modification offered by Wilson Combat. Once Beretta has concluded their military contract and the need for the questionable safety is no longer there, I'd like to see this become standard.

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[Sal Picante]

What that gun REALLY needs is a Pepperoni sight... ;)

[ralph]

I put a set of those on my inox Vertec, probably the single biggest improvement I could've done. Fully agree with watching a few videos first before digging in if you have no prior experience (which I did'nt). Got mine installed on the first attempt with no real suprises. Well worth every penny. IMO, there are several advantages to these lever kits. 1. If you take your time, you should be able to get them installed in about 10-20minutes. 2. Right off the bat you save at least $100 plus shipping costs over what WC charges to do this. 3. Total installation time is about 20 minutes, and my pistol did'nt have to run the gaunlet getting shipped back and forth, it never left the house, and I had G levers installed in the pistol the same day they showed up in the mail.

[Jared]

I have two kits that I'm eagerly awaiting installing. Probably gonna happen Friday, I can't get to it til then.....

As far as the aesthetics, some pics make them look really ugly, but once I actually got my hands on them, I don't think it'll look that bad. Either war, it'll be worth it, IMO

[MSparks909]

Wish the kits weren't unobtanium...I always seem to miss the boat when I get the email notification showing back in stock. Irritating. Need one for my Centurion.

[Stony Lane]

In stock today: (3-30)

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-g-lever-kit/

[RAM Engineer]

I wish they had made these single side (left side) only kits. That right side lever is huge and obtrusive.

[MSparks909]

In stock today: (3-30)

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-g-lever-kit/

THANK YOU!!! Ordered!

[ralph]

I wish they had made these single side (left side) only kits. That right side lever is huge and obtrusive.

That's the only way they could get the lever return spring in, and get the right lever to clear the slide. There was a discussion about this on the Beretta forum, and with the spring, crosspin, right side lever, there's no real way to shorten it up.I know, WC offers one and getting it installed will cost $150 plus shipping. For the $50 or so this kit costs, it does a pretty good job.

[Sal Picante]

That's the only way they could get the lever return spring in, and get the right lever to clear the slide. There was a discussion about this on the Beretta forum, and with the spring, crosspin, right side lever, there's no real way to shorten it up.I know, WC offers one and getting it installed will cost $150 plus shipping. For the $50 or so this kit costs, it does a pretty good job.

Erik Stern and crew are aware... I think they're trying to figure it out... Baby steps?

[K.O.A.M.]

I ordered one and it dropped right into my 1975 Berben import 92F. Beretta did this right.

[Jared]

I have two kits that I'm eagerly awaiting installing. Probably gonna happen Friday, I can't get to it til then.....

As far as the aesthetics, some pics make them look really ugly, but once I actually got my hands on them, I don't think it'll look that bad. Either war, it'll be worth it, IMO

Update:

Installed both of them last night, about 45 minutes total to do both, which I didn't think was bad at all as I made a conscious effort to proceed slow and careful. I didn't have to do any of the fitting that some have talked about on my two, one went into an Italian mfg 92FS and the other went into a USA mfg M9A1. Operation feels almost exactly like my factory G models.

In person, I don't think the right side is as ugly as it often looks in close up photos on the 'net. It's not as aesthetically pleasing as the "normal" parts are, but to my eyes, in person it doesn't look like the huge ugly nob that some pics make it appear to be.

Going to the range today for testing, but I'm not expecting any surprises at all.

[cistercian]

They were in stock so I ordered the kit for my M9A3. No rush to put it in...I can use my Sig MK25 for a decocker only gun. I bought a skeletonized hammer too...for free shipping and just in case I ever want faster lock time.

[JSGlock34]

Has anyone had a G conversion lever fail to return to the fire position? One of my levers is acting sluggish and sometimes sticks in the decock position. A nudge gets it to spring back to fire, but it shouldn't stick in the first place.

[LangdonTactical]

Has anyone had a G conversion lever fail to return to the fire position? One of my levers is acting sluggish and sometimes sticks in the decock position. A nudge gets it to spring back to fire, but it shouldn't stick in the first place.


You may want to check the return spring. I have seen them bent during installation (I have done it a few times). It still works, but a little sluggish and will tend to stick a little.

[JSGlock34]

You may want to check the return spring. I have seen them bent during installation (I have done it a few times). It still works, but a little sluggish and will tend to stick a little.

Thanks Ernest - any recommendations where best to source a replacement spring?

[LangdonTactical]

Thanks Ernest - any recommendations where best to source a replacement spring?

Shoot us an email and we will figure it out. sales@langdontactical.com

[tgoldie00]

Just picked up an M9A3 today. I love my LTT with trigger job, but found myself wanting some FDE Vertec goodness as well. I found it NIB locally at a pretty decent discount, so $46 from Brownells is a small price to pay to convert it to G. I watched 2 videos so far and don’t see anything technically that will be too daunting....I’m sure I’ll lose at least a spring and a detent (or I could use a bag...but that would make too much sense).

At any rate I’m looking forward to doing the conversion when the parts arrive. Otherwise I’ll just be looking to plink away this week to enjoy another Beretta!

[GyroF-16]

Has anyone had a G conversion lever fail to return to the fire position? One of my levers is acting sluggish and sometimes sticks in the decock position. A nudge gets it to spring back to fire, but it shouldn't stick in the first place.

Yes, I have exactly this problem with my LTT Elite. It started after the roll pin on the decock lever worked its way out during a practice session. I recovered all the parts, and reassembled everything when I got home. But ever since, the lever sticks in the decock position about 5% of the time. It’s annoying.

[Pistol Pete 10]

I wish I had known about the Beretta conversion. I didn't find out til I had already had mine converted by Wilson. It works great and it did away with the lever on the right side of the gun which is a good thing in my book.

[Trooper224]

I wish I had known about the Beretta conversion. I didn't find out til I had already had mine converted by Wilson. It works great and it did away with the lever on the right side of the gun which is a good thing in my book.

Why do you consider the elimination of an ambidextrous feature a good thing?

[Pistol Pete 10]

Why do you consider the elimination of an ambidextrous feature a good thing?

In the case of 1911 guns the ambi presses against my hand and irritates my hand. On the 92FS I have placed the safety on by accident after reloading. That's why I had it converted to decocker only. The ambi lever is not needed on a decocker only gun, therefore I'd rather the lever not be on the gun.

[CraigS]

The G conversion right side lever can be removed. The the 'barrel' portion needs to stay as it contains the spring but the lever portion can go. See a poster named WAL on the beretta forum

[Dorsai]

Why do you consider the elimination of an ambidextrous feature a good thing?

There are advantages to an ambidextrous safety that has to be switched to the fire position, but not when it is just a decocker. You decock when the fight is over and reaching over the slide with the other hand is not a big deal. If the Wilson G conversion cost the same as the factory G, and didn't need gunsmith modifications to fit, I'd chose it every day and twice on Sunday. And if wishes were fishes we'd all have nets. I think cutting off the rightside lever while leaving the barrel sticking out (necessary part of the design) is ugly and doesn't justify the effort. But that's just my opinion.

[Wendell]

...you decock when the fight is over and reaching over the slide with the other hand is not a big deal...

We probably should train to decock before holstering. As well, some (many?) are training to decock before moving.

[Dorsai]

We probably should train to decock before holstering. As well, some (many?) are training to decock before moving.

Very good point. I've been making it a point to decock after every string of fire, whether it's 1 rd or 5 rds, etc. And before holstering again. And when I do a chamber check before holstering and heading out the door. But I've seen a lot of guys who don't really make a point of DA shooting, or actually carrying in a holster, and consequently they DON'T follow your very good suggestion.

[CraigS]

We probably should train to decock before holstering. As well, some (many?) are training to decock before moving.
For our first 15 yrs or so we always shot at an indoor range and we usually only loaded 10 in the mag. For the last 2 years I have been doing local competition and even had my wife try a couple of steel challenges. So, of course we always decock there because they demand it, but it is usually done by pulling the trigger on the empty gun. However, also for the last 2 years, we always decock before holstering or when taking a break for whatever reason. I do a LOT of practice of a draw and one shot w/ my B92 BB pistol and always decock just to keep me used to doing it so, hopefully, I won't forget when it might matter.

[Pistol Pete 10]

Always, always decock before holstering, holstering it cocked is how you get Glock foot.

[Stony Lane]

Always decock before holstering AND hold your thumb on the hammer while holstering.

[JSGlock34]

Shoot us an email and we will figure it out. sales@langdontactical.com

Thanks for sorting me out. New spring installed; noticeably smoother operation and the lever has returned to fire every time.

[pointblank4445]

So...anybody put one of these in and have a dead DA trigger when putting the gun back together?

Decocker works as it should. Gun works from half-cock and SA, but not from full rest/decock...wondering if the detent on the right side of the gun is pressing down on the trigger bar...?

[AdioSS]

Double check your trigger bar spring.

[pointblank4445]

Double check your trigger bar spring.

Don’t think so. Everything is normal when the slide is removed. Install slide and no DA again

[JSGlock34]

So...anybody put one of these in and have a dead DA trigger when putting the gun back together?

Decocker works as it should. Gun works from half-cock and SA, but not from full rest/decock...wondering if the detent on the right side of the gun is pressing down on the trigger bar...?

Are you sure you used the detents from the kit and didn't accidentally reinstall one of the original detents? They look similar but are actually slightly different sized.

Here's an AR15 posted reporting a similar problem after install with some pictures.
(https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-92FS-to-G-kits-are-available-UPDATE-Installation-notes/15-172680/?page=3#i1952773)

[pointblank4445]

Are you sure you used the detents from the kit and didn't accidentally reinstall one of the original detents? They look similar but are actually slightly different sized.

Here's an AR15 posted reporting a similar problem after install with some pictures.
(https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-92FS-to-G-kits-are-available-UPDATE-Installation-notes/15-172680/?page=3#i1952773)

That was the problem. The kit didn't have the small detent for the right side so I just used the detent that came out. The kit only had 2x of the large detents. Luckily I bought 2x kits (because I remember working on Beretta safeties before) and it had everything so I robbed one of those detents.

We all good now!

Thanks JSGlock34!

[Gadfly]

Side note: can I install the G retrofit into a 90-Two?? I know the Dash has some unique features and did not know if I could... or if it needs a special G kit unique to the Dash.


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[JSGlock34]

Side note: can I install the G retrofit into a 90-Two?? I know the Dash has some unique features and did not know if I could... or if it needs a special G kit unique to the Dash.


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The Dash has its own G conversion kit...Brownells used to stock it, but it appears out of stock...you also need a right side lever and spring.

https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/trigger-group-parts/hammer-parts/hammer-levers/hammer-drop-lever-g-90two-sku913100544-27939-60097.aspx?sku=913100544

The Dash kit is certainly harder to find and more expensive than the current G kit. I’m not sure if the current conversion kit would work with the Dash - perhaps e_stern can comment?

The 90-TWO was such a strange mix. When you think about it, it had all of the desirable M9A3 features nearly a decade before the A3 was introduced (Vertec slide with sight dovetails, convertible from FS to G, frame convertible from Vertec to standard backstrap), but strange aesthetic design choices, weird marketing, and poor execution of the frame doomed the pistol.

[Gadfly]

The name alone 90 Two vs 92 killed it .... how do you ask for it without confusion? Shit marketing of a decent gun.


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[LangdonTactical]

The name alone 90 Two vs 92 killed it .... how do you ask for it without confusion? Shit marketing of a decent gun.


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We will just say, it's not the first time.........

[Shorikid]

I passed, due to being mid move, on a 92G Centurion on GB a few weeks back. It was a "parts gun" that needed barrel and fire control group. Looked like it had night sights and was in goo condition from what you could see. Went for about $125 plus shipping and transfer.

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[Medusa]

I’ve got a g conversion kit, np3 Tjib and ltt grips in the way for my trusty old inox fs, which may have to serve as the backup for my Elite at my upcoming 3 day class if my second Elite doesn’t arrive by then. The fs already has what Ernest used to call a level one trigger job, from way back when - having what I think is a D hammer spring - , but I’ll keep what we take out for spares.

I am hoping to do the install with a skilled friend, subject to his availability and patience.

[e_stern]

The Dash has its own G conversion kit...Brownells used to stock it, but it appears out of stock...you also need a right side lever and spring.

https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/trigger-group-parts/hammer-parts/hammer-levers/hammer-drop-lever-g-90two-sku913100544-27939-60097.aspx?sku=913100544

The Dash kit is certainly harder to find and more expensive than the current G kit. I’m not sure if the current conversion kit would work with the Dash - perhaps e_stern can comment?

The 90-TWO was such a strange mix. When you think about it, it had all of the desirable M9A3 features nearly a decade before the A3 was introduced (Vertec slide with sight dovetails, convertible from FS to G, frame convertible from Vertec to standard backstrap), but strange aesthetic design choices, weird marketing, and poor execution of the frame doomed the pistol.


The 90-Two G kit is different from the 92G Conversion kit. They are not directly compatible, although certain small components are from the kits.