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Mr_White
03-24-2017, 09:42 AM
Week 209: Tactical Conference 2017 Pistol Match Course of Fire

Results may be posted until April 24th, 2017.

Designed by: Tom Givens
Range: 5-15 yards
Target: Two IDPA with 3x5s added to the head, targets spaced 30" apart
Start position: Hands at sides unless otherwise specified
Rounds fired: 28

This is the Course of Fire for the Rangemaster Tactical Conference Pistol Match held very recently. Let's all shoot it and see how we can do! We are using a slightly different target than in the actual match, but ours will be pretty close. Many thanks to Tom Givens for sharing it with us, and to hiro for suggesting it for the DotW!

String 1 - 5 yards - Draw and fire 3 rds to the body on T1, then fire 3 rds on the body to T2, then 1 head shot on T1 and 1 head shot on T2.

String 2 - 5 yards - Draw and fire 3 rds on T1, dominant hand only, switch the gun to the non-dominant hand, and fire 3 rds on T2, non-dominant hand only.

String 3 - 7 yards - Begin at Ready, with only 4 rds in the gun. Fire 4 rds on T1, conduct an empty gun reload, and fire 4 rds on T2. *Shooter may transition to a BUG instead of reloading, his choice.

String 4 - 15 yards - Draw and fire 3 rds to T1, drop to a Kneeling Position, and fire 3 rds at T2.

Scoring - your score is your time, plus penalties for any hits outside the best scoring zones.

-0 zone and 3x5 = no penalty
Head box outside the 3x5 = 1 second per shot
-1 zone = 2 seconds per shot
-3 zone and misses = 5 seconds per shot

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used
Raw time
Penalties
Total Score

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

MVS
03-24-2017, 09:07 PM
Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used G17 MOS w/DPP USPSA gear. (I will run it again with carry gear, but I have a match this weekend) I started all stages from the Fence to mitigate no concealment.
Raw time 26.81
Penalties 2 seconds
Total Score 28.81

The above score was my first run. I ran it 5 times. My best run was 24.34. I did not have an IDPA target so I used a USPSA and marked the A zone in half and used the upper half.

Tom Givens
03-24-2017, 09:32 PM
Nice work, Michael! That would have put you in the Top Ten at the match, if you had the common decency to attend. 8^)

MVS
03-24-2017, 09:44 PM
Nice work, Michael! That would have put you in the Top Ten at the match, if you had the common decency to attend. 8^)

Thanks. I am on an every other year schedule for the conference. I did try to get in on the Rangemaster reunion but those tickets were sold out. Don't you worry though, you will have to put up with me at some point this year.

JAD
03-24-2017, 10:03 PM
I shot this at the conference and don't recall my penalties. I want to say four points down but it could have been more.
Glock 17, Sparks VM2, polo
35.79
I dropped to a knee immediately on string 4, brain fade, and that cost me a couple of seconds. I had trigger issues in string 3-- my master grip got weird during the reload and I didn't get pressure on the trigger safety, resulting in a discombobulation.

Mr_White
03-27-2017, 12:28 PM
Gen3 G34, concealed in a Keeper under a polo shirt
Raw time: 15.52
Penalties: 0
Total score: 15.52

There is an interesting tension on this one between the pretty easy targets and pretty huge penalties. Shoot careful!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-wmudVGW9o

jlw
03-27-2017, 01:42 PM
Gen3 G34, concealed in a Keeper under a polo shirt
Raw time: 15.52
Penalties: 0
Total score: 15.52

There is an interesting tension on this one between the pretty easy targets and pretty huge penalties. Shoot careful!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-wmudVGW9o

That is obscene. ;)

BobM
03-27-2017, 02:14 PM
I had some of the VSRT targets on hand so I used those. Using my issue M&P40 2.0/TLR from a Raven IWB I shot it clean at 32.62, cutting 11 or so seconds from my score at the Conference. 15119

Mr_White
03-27-2017, 02:41 PM
That is obscene. ;)

I know, I know, I should wear an undershirt. It messes with my draw though, and I just can't have that.

DG12
03-27-2017, 04:58 PM
Only had time to run this once, but it was a lot of fun and plan to do it again. Thanks Mr_White and Tom Givens.

P30 V2, OWB, Concealed/button down shirt
Raw time: 25.70
Penalties: 3x-1 zone= 6 seconds
Total Score: 31.70

I missed one shot on the second string, second target and two shots on the last string, second target.

15.52 is obscene... Good shooting!

Tom Givens
03-27-2017, 09:54 PM
Gabe-

That was a vulgar display of ability.

Mr_White
03-28-2017, 11:20 AM
I appreciate it Tom! Though it's certainly worth noting that shooting in the most comfortable practice environment is different (easier) than here, now, in a match or demo, BEEP!, with all the attendant stress. I'd expect to eat a ~20% performance loss like everyone else. :)

Cecil Burch
03-28-2017, 12:29 PM
Mr White

I hate you soooooo much right now.

Obscene how freaking good you are.

Mr_White
03-28-2017, 02:28 PM
I hate you soooooo much right now.

But I love you Cecil, even if I have only met you one time in person. And I'm sure sooner or later we will have a good chance for you to smash me on the ground, or with your standup. Or pretty much however you want, because I won't be able to stop you. :)

Cupcake615
03-28-2017, 06:18 PM
I shot it at the Conference. From duty holster (Safariland ALS) with duty (stock) Glock 22 in 29.71. I know I had one in the dark gray (first shot), other than that I'm not sure my points down. This was done, Friday mid day with no dry fire or live fire for the previous 7 days. Felt very slow, but ended up placed a lot better than I felt I should have. Overall happy with the results of a straight cold run. Thanks again Tom for the Conference.

*Sidenote: Ironically broke my slide stop lever during first few rds of practice during bi-annual agency qual three days later, lol.*

SsevenN
04-05-2017, 07:36 PM
This Drill worked me over, I ran it once after a single F.A.S.T. I had 3 pretty punishing user induced malfs on the 3rd string (locked the slide back with my thumb TWICE in a row, then rode on top of it the next shot causing a failure to slide lock - I'm still suffering training scars from switching away from the FNS platform). I believe I dropped the 2 shots in the 4th string, although 1 of them might have been from earlier as it was in a difficult location to observe.


https://youtu.be/tz7m8B0eThI


https://youtu.be/eP7My07bnlc


https://youtu.be/N4dV79iPIOE


https://youtu.be/utzynnKa1WU

Pistol, holster, and concealment (optional) used P30L LEM KSG Armory Custom Rig
Raw time 26.56
Penalties 4 (2 -1 zone by my calculations)
Total Score A sad panda 30.56

Definitely running this again before it's closed, I want a 0 error 0 dropped shots run for the sake of posterity.

thedarnmike
04-05-2017, 09:02 PM
G34 gen 4
comptac kydex, no concealment OWB 3 o’clock gamer rig
raw time 25.62
no pens
Really glad I found this great community. I'll prolly shoot this drill tomorrow with my usual EDC rig.

That Guy
04-09-2017, 12:23 PM
I shot this pretty cold: first time shooting a pistol in two weeks, and my first shots. Also, I didn't realize the penalty for the -1 zone was so high until I was done shooting. So, go me. :p

I shot this with my Beretta PX4 full size 9mm, JMCK IWB holster, under an unzipped sweater.
My total raw time was: 28.29 seconds
I accrued 8 seconds worth of penalties (4 x -1)
That brings my total score to: 36.29s (ouch...)

15474
15476

SsevenN
04-11-2017, 07:53 PM
You would think after farming the FBI modified Bullseye qualifier for weeks I'd be able to run this drill without pushing shots out of 8" at the 15 yard line, I certainly thought so, not the case apparently.

Raw time (round 2) 25.64
penalties (2) -1 zone (+4 secs)
29.64 total time

Frustration gents, frustration.

String 1

https://youtu.be/dEMnH7hw70I

String 2

https://youtu.be/vWFyGP4Rmkw

String 3

https://youtu.be/bsCmNzaMmrs

String 4

https://youtu.be/etXKGhwKbi4

retdusm
04-13-2017, 03:49 PM
Wilson CQB .45 Milt Sparks 55BN concealed under an open front shirt
Time 31.74 clean , for an elderly gentleman I'll take it

SsevenN
04-14-2017, 07:34 PM
Victory! I was able to get a clean run within the time frame I thought I should be capable of, thanks again to p-f for existing and being a resource and outlet and thanks to Tom Givens for designing this - it's very well thought out and damn near impossible to "cheat" or "farm".

I still don't understand what my brain was doing at the 15 yard line the previous attempts, I was using a technique/grip/trigger motion that I simply didn't apply in any other shooting. Well A few reps of 3-6 shot strings with the left over ammo from my ammo ration helped me diagnose and solve the problem.

I'm happy with this score, the goal I had set was to get within 10 seconds of Mr. Whites lightning score, I squeaked it out, while I will be revisiting this drill, this drill whooped my ass and I need time to recover from the beating.

HK P30L LEM in a KSG Armory custom
Raw time: 25.15
Penalties: 0
Total score: 25.15

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/SsevenN_photo/TACTICAL%20CONFERENCE%202017%20PISTOL%20COURSE%20O F%20FIRE_zpsltisktfv.jpg

Sorry about the glare, I didn't notice it when setting up.


https://youtu.be/230H0YTLayM


https://youtu.be/N2XJg0g2Jpw


https://youtu.be/FS7js83gtv4


https://youtu.be/QfKuFz8D974


https://youtu.be/mR8qbIN7D68

JCS
04-17-2017, 02:14 PM
I shot this last week and should've read the scoring first. I just tried to go fast and accrued tons of penalties. I shot it twice but forgot to record the times for the second one.

First attempt G19, jmck George from concealment.

5.73
6.65
6.05
8.05
T1 -1C
T2 -3C
26.48s +8s penalties= 34.48shttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170417/3852e16a447304eb9dc6b17f34406348.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170417/f1ad87880b5e5d95ee300253603caf07.jpg

I need to learn to read. And also shoot better.


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scw2
04-17-2017, 05:04 PM
Shot this on 4/1 with my G19 (#2) first time out with the pistol. Holster was a DSG AIWB, and with a polo as concealment.
Given range restrictions, had a smaller transition. Adjusted a bit by using a B8 target, assuming all hits within the black and within the width to bottom of paper were good. Any hits outside of paper counted as complete misses. Also had to use a 3rd B8 to simulate the T2 target for when kneeling to prevent rounds from hitting ceiling.
String 1 – 5.73 seconds, down 1 headshot on the index card = 1 sec penalty
String 2 – 4.83 + ??? seconds (shotmaxx on right hand). No points down here, but going to assume 6.00 seconds to switch hands and finish the WHO stage for sake of getting a score.
String 3 – 9.97 sec

String 4 – 9.89 sec

Raw time = 36.42
Penalties = 1.00
Total Score = 37.42

Really struggled with the 1H and reloads. Lack of practice really showed itself here. Fun COF and a great way to wrap up a training session since it gave me a lot that I need to work on. Draws, reloads, SHO+WHO work, and finally not missing head shots.


15712

scw2
04-17-2017, 05:41 PM
Shot this on 4/15 at the NRA range after some dry and live fire since the first time attempting this.
Given range restrictions, had a smaller transition. Adjusted a bit by using a B8 target, assuming all hits within the black and within the width to bottom of paper were good. Any hits outside of paper counted as complete misses. Also had to use a 3rd B8 to simulate the T2 target for when kneeling to prevent rounds from hitting ceiling.

Shot with G19 (#2). Holster was a JMCK AIWB, and with a polo as concealment.
Raw time: 26.60
Penalties: 6.00 (3x -1 down on body)
Total Score: 32.60 seconds


String 1 – 4.66 seconds – shot this better but let a shot off high
String 2 – 8.93 seconds. Ran this WHO first then SHO due to shotmaxx location, maybe a bit slower due to extra transitions. WHO was super weak, the SHO shooting was strong with 0.65 splits and 2X ring hits.
String 3 – 5.78 seconds
String 4 – 7.23 seconds

Raw time = 36.42
Penalties = 1.00
Total Score = 37.42
Overall much more improved, but got a lot to work on, especially cutting down on misses. Will run this in ~2 weeks if I can to see how live and dry fire help in interim.

15721

retdusm
04-20-2017, 04:13 PM
Wilson Brig-Tac
Wilson low profile holster
Time 27.47
Penalties 3 seconds
30.47 total score

scw2
04-24-2017, 11:27 PM
Shot this on 4/23. Had to use B8s again, intent was to shoot in black for down 0, -2 if on paper.

G19 (#2) from JM AIWB, with a hoodie as cover
Raw time: 20.78
Penalties: 2x2 = 4
Total Score: 24.78

Getting better with the G19. I tried to shoot only in the black, but had two slip out. Didn't call one of them so that frustrated me a bit. I also had to reshoot the first string b/c I forgot to record the time. The first run had 1 miss on T2 since I had the cards up too high, and as a result I hit the ceiling on the center hit on T1, and adjusted too low for T2.

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