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Prdator
03-03-2011, 10:03 PM
I got this from Tom Givens ( www.rangemaster.com) its a really good simple course of fire.

I normally score in the high 130's to Mid 140's. Tom just told me he did a 161 the other day!!!!!!!

Give it a try and see how you do.





Rangemaster Handgun Core Skills Test, Comstock Count
Use electronic timer and record the time for each stage.
3 yds Sidestep, draw, and fire 4 rds. _________

5 yds Sidestep, draw and fire 5 rds total , 3 to the chest,
2 to the head. _________

5 yds Start gun in dominant hand only, fire 4 rds. _________

5 yds Start gun in non-dominant hand, fire 5 rds. _________

7 yds Draw and fire 6 rds. _________

7 yds Start at Ready, 3 rds only in gun. Fire 3 rds, reload, and
fire 3 more rds. _________

10 yds Draw and fire 3 rds. _________

15 yds Draw and fire 4 rds. _________

25 yds Draw and fire 3 rds. _________

40 rds total. Total time __________ Target points _________
IALEFI-QP scored 5,3,0/RM-2 scored 5,3/VSRT scored 5,4,3
Score targets. Divide points by total time, for Index. Multiply Index X 20 for Final Score. Par Score = 100.
80-100 = Very good. 100-124= Advanced 125+= Master

Score_________ divided by ___________X 20= _____________

Prdator
04-15-2011, 04:39 AM
so anyone shot this drill yet?

ToddG
04-15-2011, 09:03 AM
P -- Can you be more specific on the IALEFI-Q scoring? What zones score 5 and 3?

Prdator
04-15-2011, 09:38 AM
P -- Can you be more specific on the IALEFI-Q scoring? What zones score 5 and 3?

IIRC, its 5 for the 8'' circle and the head box circle, 3 for the rest of the "bottle"

So you could use the PT.com target and just count the center 8'' cirlcle as 5 as well as the 3x5 in the head box, then 3 for the rest of the bottle. Make sense?

I think it's a heck of a 40rd skill test.

ToddG
04-15-2011, 09:41 AM
Excellent, I was hoping we could run it that way with the PTC target. I'll try to run some guys through it over the next month or so.

Prdator
04-15-2011, 11:14 AM
I've used a IDPA target as well, scored 5 for the 0 down and 3 for the down -1 head box scored 5 ( for head shots only). Its not exact but close enough to get a good feel for the test.

3-7-77
04-15-2011, 10:14 PM
Nevermind, I found my answer when I reread the OP

Wheeler
04-17-2011, 04:42 PM
Shot it today. Since I am a masochist, I shot it with a Ruger LCR. I used an IPSC target (cuz that's all I got right now), and I shot the final stage from 20 rather than 25 yards.

I did not make par, if I'm doing the math right I got a 44.39. I had 38 out of 40 hits. Looking at the attached picture, the pasters are hits, I used them to count my outside the A zone hits.

I'll try it again in a few days with a K-frame.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/Wheeler686/100_0043.jpg

Wheeler

Pennzoil
04-17-2011, 07:49 PM
Wow wheeler you are a masochist to do it with a LCR. Nice job!

I shot it today with my Glock 19 RTF2, CTAC holster, and BMC mag holder from concealment on PT.com target with scoring listed previously in the thread for it. Is it supposed to be from concealment? May of messed that part up.

I wasn't shooting at my normal level today judging by my performance tracking on other drills I did. I did this drill at the end of my range session. I think the heat 98 degrees with wind blowing my target stand over constantly wore me down. At least that is my excuse.

I really like the test and it's going in my routine to due once a month like the dot torture but think the scoring may be a little easy for Master rating? If I was shooting this on a normal range and did not trip twice during side step portion I think I could of hit Master which isn't where I would rate my self. I think 135 or 140 will be my goal on this drill.


Rangemaster Handgun Core Skills Test, Comstock Count
Use electronic timer and record the time for each stage.
3 yds Sidestep, draw, and fire 4 rds. ____2.62_____ 2x at 3 points

5 yds Sidestep, draw and fire 5 rds total , 3 to the chest,
2 to the head. ___4.44______ 4x at 3 points

5 yds Start gun in dominant hand only, fire 4 rds. ____3.16_____

5 yds Start gun in non-dominant hand, fire 5 rds. ____3.49_____ 1x at 3 points

7 yds Draw and fire 6 rds. ___5.78______

7 yds Start at Ready, 3 rds only in gun. Fire 3 rds, reload, and
fire 3 more rds. ___5.78______

10 yds Draw and fire 3 rds. ____2.89_____

15 yds Draw and fire 4 rds. ___3.42______

25 yds Draw and fire 3 rds. ___3.59______

40 rds total. Total time ___33.02_______ Target points ___186______ 33x-5 points 7x-3 points
IALEFI-QP scored 5,3,0/RM-2 scored 5,3/VSRT scored 5,4,3
Score targets. Divide points by total time, for Index. Multiply Index X 20 for Final Score. Par Score = 100.
80-100 = Very good. 100-124= Advanced 125+= Master

Score____186_____ divided by ____33.02_______X 20= ______112.65_______

Crap picture. Wish I was closer to target but wanted to show why I was falling all over myself on the rocks.
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/903/pttarget.jpg

Wheeler
04-17-2011, 09:22 PM
I like the LCR as an all-the-time carry gun. It's very pointable (is that really a word?), light weight, and the recoil is very managable. I was doing ok until the test stressed the limitations of the gun and associated manual of arms.

1: 7 Yards, Draw and fire 6 rounds. I accomplised this in 17.18 seconds. The reload was performed with a speed strip carried in the strong side front pocket. The short ejector rod was an issue, even with a slap, 2 cases decided to not come out, requiring a bit of mental cursing.

2: 7 Yards, 3 rounds only in the gun. Start at ready, fire 3 rounds, reload, fire 3 rounds. I accomplised this in 17.29. Same issue as above.

3: At 15 yards I was starting to have Point of Aim/Point of Impact failure. I attribute this to A: The short sight radius; B: Ruger's funky (to me) double action trigger; C: I've spent a long time shooting S&W revolvers, and have spoiled myself to their trigger. At long range, I tend to slow down the trigger pull to maintain the sight picture. With the Ruger, it seems to like to be pulled faster. I haven't spent enough time with a Ruger to really dissect this issue. For all I know it might be Operator Failure.

4: 20 Yards, see #3 above. More of the same.

All presentations were performed from concealment.

All reloads were performed with speed strips.

Another note on the accuracy and trigger of the LCR. My previous J Frame style wasa Taurus 605, which had (in my opinion), a better trigger and enough weight to help keep the gun still and steady in the hand. I had consistantly shot the 605 at 15 and 20 yards, and felt very comfortable with my abilities with the pistol. I'm not knocking the LCR, there is definately a learning curve associated with it.

Wheeler

Pennzoil
04-17-2011, 09:52 PM
Your tempting me to break my 642 out of safe retirement and run the test again just for fun but I know I'll short stroke the reset for half the test then when I go back to my Glock 19 I'll be all messed up.

GJM
04-18-2011, 06:51 AM
Out of curiosity, does Tom Givens shoot from a Weaver or Modern I stance?

Prdator
04-18-2011, 08:35 AM
Out of curiosity, does Tom Givens shoot from a Weaver or Modern I stance?

Well, kinda Weaver??

Just know that he can out shoot most Anyone!!!!!!!! Including my self!!!!! And Im one of eleven, that has passed his "Handgun Master Test" And at ( ah well a man of his age:o) I SO hope I can Draw a gun when Im his age let alone SHOOT the way he can!!!! Of all the classes I've been in or hosted with Tom I've only bettered his time on some of the drills twice, and I had been shooting all day, Tom did it COLD...


Back to the HCST, The genius of this test is you can do it from Concealment, open, race rig ect and use it to track Your performance!!!
I run it from concealment using my EDC gear, as I think this is the best way to do it.

Wheeler
04-18-2011, 06:50 PM
I think Tom uses a Modified Isoscoweaver stance :)

Just out of curiosity, using an IPSC target, how does that corelate to the targets you were refering to?

Wheeler

Prdator
04-18-2011, 08:34 PM
Just out of curiosity, using an IPSC target, how does that corelate to the targets you were refering to?

Man I guess you could score it the same way 5,3,0 but your score would be a bit skewed from the larger 5 zone. The common theme with all the other targets is the high center chest 8'' zone, or close to that. ( the VSRT is a bit smaller).

Wheeler
04-18-2011, 09:12 PM
Man I guess you could score it the same way 5,3,0 but your score would be a bit skewed from the larger 5 zone. The common theme with all the other targets is the high center chest 8'' zone, or close to that. ( the VSRT is a bit smaller).

I'm sure I can adjust accordingly. Thanks for the feedback.

Wheeler
04-18-2011, 09:13 PM
Your tempting me to break my 642 out of safe retirement and run the test again just for fun but I know I'll short stroke the reset for half the test then when I go back to my Glock 19 I'll be all messed up.

Don't do it! You'll stick that Glock back in the blister pack if you start shooting a J-Frame seriously! :D

Pennzoil
04-19-2011, 03:43 PM
:pMy Glocks are already scheduled to go back into the blister packs just waiting on everything to arrive before I switch. I have a ton in Glock so think large blister packs.

More I look at my test results and analyze where I want to improve the more excited I get about this test. Next time I do this test I think I'll take more time and tape the target between stages to get more feedback.

I didn't mention it earlier but thank you for sharing this test Prdator!

jlw
05-17-2014, 01:25 PM
Bringing this back to the surface:

My time for the target below was 24.95 shooting a Gen2 G17 from a Safariland GLS holster open carried:

Is the big circle the 5 point ring or is the small circle?

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/chiefweems3102/photo1_zps4c8ddbff.jpg

jlw
05-20-2014, 01:46 PM
I shot it twice more today. I wore a typical IDPA "shoot me" vest for both runs, and I shot the same G17 as in the above run both times. On the first run, I used the Safariland GLS. On the second run I used a Talon Tactical paddle holster.

I fumbled the reload on both runs. On the second run, I drew and fired three rounds at the 15, started to lower my pistol, and then remember it was four rounds. It is amazing how much a second here and there impacts the score. The one thrown shot on the first run is from the 15.

Times were 27.77 and 30.32 respectively. Scoring as the small, inner circle being the 5-point ring, that comes to a 133.23 and a 125.89.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/chiefweems3102/B522DC9E-8CF7-4158-986E-E94729E0B0A5_zpsm4g9cumw.jpg



http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/chiefweems3102/80D98AA5-E8CF-47C6-8FDD-4ABB3E37E4E5_zpspjbrqvjy.jpg

ST911
05-20-2014, 08:34 PM
Great drill. Shot it tonight on an IALEFI Q. 184pts, 36.57 sec, for 100.63.

Playing with different calculations, it seems to be weighted for time.

jlw
05-20-2014, 09:35 PM
Great drill. Shot it tonight on an IALEFI Q. 184pts, 36.57 sec, for 100.63.

Playing with different calculations, it seems to be weighted for time.


I agree with your assessment as to time.

Did you use the inner circle or the outer circle for the 5-point ring?

ST911
05-20-2014, 09:52 PM
I agree with your assessment as to time.

Did you use the inner circle or the outer circle for the 5-point ring?

Inner, 8" circle.

Tom Givens
05-20-2014, 10:07 PM
Inner circle in chest or head ring for 5 points. Outer chest circle is 4 points, rest of Q bottle is 3 points.

Test is weighted toward fast hits. The faster you can get good hits, the higher your score.

jlw
05-20-2014, 10:19 PM
Inner circle in chest or head ring for 5 points. Outer chest circle is 4 points, rest of Q bottle is 3 points.

Test is weighted toward fast hits. The faster you can get good hits, the higher your score.

Thanks. That looks to like my open run was a 152.3 and my concealed runs were 134.67 and 129.94 respectively.

Surf
05-31-2014, 03:17 PM
Ok, the smaller COM circle is 8". What are the dimensions on the outer COM circle and the head circle? Look to be about 10" and 5" respectively.

Will give this one a run.

ST911
05-31-2014, 03:25 PM
With the above in mind, I shot this again today with an eye on accuracy but a priority on speed. In 24.94 seconds I managed...

25/40, 8" and head for 5pts.
11/40, scored as 3pts, good hits near the circle but still outside it
4/40, wheels fell off, torso outside the scoring area, 0 pts

158pts, 24.94 seconds, total score 126.70. This feels more worthy of a "good" than "master." Still, a great test.

nycnoob
05-31-2014, 06:18 PM
Can we get this placed on PT Drills page: http://pistol-training.com/drills I will forget the details if it is not with the others.

Its similar to this drill allready on the list
http://pistol-training.com/drills/10-round-assault-course-2

Mr_White
06-02-2014, 12:35 PM
I've always really enjoyed the Rangemaster Core Handgun Skills Test, and especially how its comstock scoring contrasts with so many of the other (also good) quals and standards out there.

Tom Givens
06-02-2014, 04:56 PM
Here's a clue about the typical skill level of the folks that frequent this forum:

This past weekend we taught an Advanced Firearms Instructor Course at my range. 20 students from all over the country, many active LE firearms instructors. Way above average shots, all.

We did the Handgun Core Skills Test and scored it 5 in the 8" circle, 4 in the 10" circle and only 2 in the bottle, above the belt. Zero for everything else. Average score was right at 100. Best two scores were 137 and 126.

You guys that think 125 is just "good" don't get out enough.

warpedcamshaft
06-08-2014, 04:52 PM
131 from concealment with closed front garment, glock 19, comp tac infidel at 4:30 position.

My training buddy shot a 98 from an open leg rig...

Both shot with no warm up, and was the first time we shot the drill.

This seems like an excellent drill... Big thanks to Tom Givens

Mr_White
06-08-2014, 10:47 PM
All this talk has me wishing I had thought to run this early today before class.

Chuck Haggard
06-10-2014, 07:32 AM
Here's a clue about the typical skill level of the folks that frequent this forum:

This past weekend we taught an Advanced Firearms Instructor Course at my range. 20 students from all over the country, many active LE firearms instructors. Way above average shots, all.

We did the Handgun Core Skills Test and scored it 5 in the 8" circle, 4 in the 10" circle and only 2 in the bottle, above the belt. Zero for everything else. Average score was right at 100. Best two scores were 137 and 126.

You guys that think 125 is just "good" don't get out enough.

I'd throw out that while this is a great contest between shooters, I think of it more as a gauge for an individual to challenge themselves and check progress.

I was the 126 Tom mentioned, first time I ever shot that COF. Although I didn't do nearly as well as I thought I should have, I liked it.

I was down time due to one shot dropped into the 2 zone, one draw flubbed a bit due to a T-shirt glitch and switching from my IWB to an ALS holster due to my back being angry that day, and a reload that I botched that added like half a second or more.
The guy shooting the 137, AJ, had very solid gunhandling skills, and we had a chance to work on his trigger press all morning (he started out that day with a pretty noticeable slap and was chasing that perfect sight picture doing the "NOW!!!!" thing, which really affected his accuracy). He was also shooting a pretty nice 2011 type 9mm with a small magwell, and drawing from appendix, so getting speedy was a bit easier for him as far as equipment.

Anyway, I guess my point is that this test will quickly tell you where your strong and weak points are, and what you need to work on. I think this is a very "street" relevant test for someone with good gun handling skills and a solid marksmanship base.

MVS
06-10-2014, 04:31 PM
I'd throw out that while this is a great contest between shooters, I think of it more as a gauge for an individual to challenge themselves and check progress.

I was the 126 Tom mentioned, first time I ever shot that COF. Although I didn't do nearly as well as I thought I should have, I liked it.

I was down time due to one shot dropped into the 2 zone, one draw flubbed a bit due to a T-shirt glitch and switching from my IWB to an ALS holster due to my back being angry that day, and a reload that I botched that added like half a second or more.
The guy shooting the 137, AJ, had very solid gunhandling skills, and we had a chance to work on his trigger press all morning (he started out that day with a pretty noticeable slap and was chasing that perfect sight picture doing the "NOW!!!!" thing, which really affected his accuracy). He was also shooting a pretty nice 2011 type 9mm with a small magwell, and drawing from appendix, so getting speedy was a bit easier for him as far as equipment.

Anyway, I guess my point is that this test will quickly tell you where your strong and weak points are, and what you need to work on. I think this is a very "street" relevant test for someone with good gun handling skills and a solid marksmanship base.

Glad you weighed in on this Chuck. I was curious as to how that all went down. You are right that it is a god test to use as a gauge for weak points. Me? 25 yards and offhand shooting. Not necessarily at the same time. Next time I run this it will be with my regular G17 with the pro sights as opposed to the RMR. Tom thinks the dot was slowing me down at close range and I don't strongly disagree.

Mr_White
06-10-2014, 05:38 PM
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/chiefweems3102/80D98AA5-E8CF-47C6-8FDD-4ABB3E37E4E5_zpspjbrqvjy.jpg

What's the diameter of the circle in the head on that target?

jlw
06-10-2014, 10:14 PM
What's the diameter of the circle in the head on that target?

I think it is 4", but I'm not certain of it.

Chuck Haggard
06-11-2014, 05:36 AM
Ya'll are going to make me drive down to the range with a tape measure.

jlw
06-11-2014, 08:39 AM
I just measured one of the 97 currently stacked on what is supposed to be my conference table. Just under 4.5" was the verdict.

Prdator
06-11-2014, 08:45 AM
I need to shoot this agin soon.. And Tom is right.. a 125 is a dang good score on this.!!! I can remmember the days that I could not do a 125...

Chuck Haggard
06-11-2014, 09:54 AM
The scoring seems to be a bit different on some of the posts. I recall we scored 5-4-2 when I shot it, some of the posts indicate 5-4-3 scoring.

Mr_White
06-11-2014, 03:50 PM
I just measured one of the 97 currently stacked on what is supposed to be my conference table. Just under 4.5" was the verdict.

Perfect. I will trace the outline of my Roll Of Black Duct Tape and have a 4.25" circle. Thank you Lee!

Mr_White
06-16-2014, 12:01 PM
Ran it four times yesterday morning before class. I didn't do a good job keeping the score sheets straight, so I'm not sure what order I shot them in.

From lowest to highest:

179 points in 18.09 seconds, final score of 197.

187 points in 18.13 seconds, final score of 206.

188 points in 17.85 seconds, final score of 210.

177 points in 16.00 seconds, final score of 221.

I am pretty sure that last one is a personal best. Fun test, I love it! Good interlude among all the dry trigger and transition work preparing for GSSF.

jlw
06-16-2014, 12:29 PM
Ran it four times yesterday morning before class. I didn't do a good job keeping the score sheets straight, so I'm not sure what order I shot them in.

From lowest to highest:

179 points in 18.09 seconds, final score of 197.

187 points in 18.13 seconds, final score of 206.

188 points in 17.85 seconds, final score of 210.

177 points in 16.00 seconds, final score of 221.

I am pretty sure that last one is a personal best. Fun test, I love it! Good interlude among all the dry trigger and transition work preparing for GSSF.


Wow.

Tom Givens
06-16-2014, 12:58 PM
That, Sir, is a vulgar display of ability.

SeriousStudent
06-16-2014, 08:26 PM
"Praise from Caesar is praise indeed."

BN
06-16-2014, 09:36 PM
Ran it four times yesterday morning before class. I didn't do a good job keeping the score sheets straight, so I'm not sure what order I shot them in.

From lowest to highest:

179 points in 18.09 seconds, final score of 197.

187 points in 18.13 seconds, final score of 206.

188 points in 17.85 seconds, final score of 210.

177 points in 16.00 seconds, final score of 221.

I am pretty sure that last one is a personal best. Fun test, I love it! Good interlude among all the dry trigger and transition work preparing for GSSF.

Very impressive. :)

Tom, how do you score an IDPA target?

Tom Givens
06-16-2014, 09:42 PM
Bill- On an IDPA target I would score the body 5/3/0. The head would need to have a 3.5-4" circle added for an ocular window. The head would then be 5/3.

ST911
06-16-2014, 10:09 PM
Shot two more runs of this today on a B21 target instead of the Q, trying to find some speed:accuracy thresholds. The B21 gets a lot of use around me, for better or worse. I drew an 8" circle on the torso and a 3x5 on the head, scoring the head card and circle as a 5, anything else in the central bottle (target's 5-zone) as a 3, and anything else as a 0.

Run 1 I managed 160pts in 26.59 for a 120.

Run 2 I consciously hunkered down a little more and pulled 180pts out in 27.13 for a 132.

Like certain other standards, this one seems to be a better benchmark when shot cold. Tom, any thoughts on that?

The B21 as shot, and a B21 bottle overlayed on a Q for reference.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j18/Skintop911/Targets/IMG_1072a.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j18/Skintop911/Targets/0419121934.jpg

BN
06-17-2014, 09:33 AM
Bill- On an IDPA target I would score the body 5/3/0. The head would need to have a 3.5-4" circle added for an ocular window. The head would then be 5/3.

Thanks, Tom. This skills test appears to be weighted a little towards speed over pin point accuracy??

Tom Givens
06-17-2014, 02:26 PM
To answer the last two posters:

Skin- you are correct, this test is meant to be shot cold. If you practice several runs and then shoot it your score is not representative of what we're trying to test. Ideally, one would shoot this course cold perhaps once every six months as a barometer of your current skill level. By having a standardized test that covers a lot of the basic skills you can track your progress and see if you are actually getting better or at least maintaining your skill level.

Bill- when I designed this my goal was to test a balance of speed and precision. I firmly believe that the ability to fire a nice tight fist sized group is great unless it takes you too long to do so and you get shot before you get your rounds off. I also firmly believe that spraying rounds lightning quick but sloppily is just as bad. What I'm looking for is adequate accuracy delivered very quickly.

I chose the IALEFI-QP target because it is widely and easily available so that anywhere in the country students could shoot the test on the same target. On my own chest, the area from collarbone to diaphragm, and nipple to nipple is an 8 inch circle almost exactly. This target has an 8 inch circle high in the chest so it works fine for my purposes. Hits in the 10 inch circle (lungs) lose 20% of their value and hits in the torso above the belt lose 40% of their value. That seems like a reasonable penalty. When I score the test, I count the 8 inch ring as five points, the 10 inch ring as four points, and the torso above the belt as three points (2 points for more advanced students). I count the head as five in the ring and three outside it.

Thus, to score well one has to stay inside the chest and head circles and do so quickly. The faster one can get decent hits the higher the score will be.

All tests of this sort are somewhat arbitrary and capricious. Various authorities agree that the vital zone is in the upper chest but describe it differently and view its dimensions differently. Some like a 6 inch circle high in the chest, some an 8 inch circle. Some people think that a hit anywhere in the head is great, others view the ocular window as a 3 inch circle containing only the eyes and nose. I feel the 8 inch circle and head circle on the IALEFI-QP target are at least a reasonable representation of human anatomy.

I don't claim the test is perfect, I just think it's a good basic skill check.

Mr_White
06-17-2014, 03:02 PM
Thank you for the additional explanation, Sir. I have always been fascinated with the greater premium the RHCST puts on speed than many other tests and standards found in defensive pistol training.

2alpha-down0
06-18-2014, 04:43 PM
Shot this cold today on an NDM-1, scored 5-3-0.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb227/Gilenusx207/Range%20stuff/photo_zps65e37e43.jpg

jlw
08-15-2014, 01:56 PM
I broke out an old, stock G23 today with mags from the dark years (have the LE only warning on them). I ran it drill on an IALEFI-Q. Using 5-4-3 my score was a 123.74, and using the 5-4-2 my score was a 123.04. Missed it by that much...

Of note, I threw one of the shots from the 25 just out into the gray. This pistol has a stock mag release. My personal Glocks all have extended releases. The mag springs are to the point where they still feed reliably, but they don't kick the empty out of the pistol. I had to flick it out messing up the timing of my reload, and then I rushed the shots afterward and put a couple in the 4-point zone.

Luke
12-21-2015, 11:03 PM
I found this today and opened it in a new tab to remember to do it this weekend, then I lost the t an and it took me forever to find it again! SO, I'm bumping the thread :)

GAP
01-02-2016, 03:21 PM
I gave this a try today with my Glock 26, concealed with my normal carry gear. I used an IDPA target and 5/3/0 scoring. I like the test. If I had one critique it would be to assign a minimum number of hits for the run to count.

5254

Luke
01-09-2016, 05:01 PM
Ran this today cold for the first time. Tried my hardest to run it clean but threw one at the 15 yard line trying to make up for a botched draw.

Edited to add: I messed up on straight my 2 and did 4 body 1 head so I re shot that string. That's why there is 3 head shots.

149.37 score

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp81/hook_setter/251C34AC-5A46-4F8E-8635-1A5C0CFBE9B6_zpscxsrfmgx.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/user/hook_setter/media/251C34AC-5A46-4F8E-8635-1A5C0CFBE9B6_zpscxsrfmgx.jpg.html)

GAP
01-09-2016, 05:26 PM
Which gun and was it concealed? I switched to running everything concealed. Since I'm not LEO, I figured it doesn't make much sense for me not to.

Luke
01-09-2016, 05:31 PM
P30 in a JM AIWB concealed with a long sleeve shirt. I run everything, including competition from concealment.

Mr_White
01-11-2016, 02:46 PM
Shot this for the DotW.

Gen3 G34 in a Keeper concealed under a polo shirt.
Used an IDPA target and traced a ~3.5" circle in the head (the outline of my depleted roll of duct tape.)

Times
String 1 @ 3 yards: Sidestep, draw, and shoot 4 body = 1.40
String 2 @ 5 yards: Sidestep, draw, and shoot 3 body and 2 head = 2.03
String 3 @ 5 yards: Start with gun at ready in strong hand only, shoot 4 body = 1.50
String 4 @ 5 yards: Start with gun at ready in support hand only, shoot 5 body = 2.08
String 5 @ 7 yards: Draw and shoot 6 body = 2.03
String 6 @ 7 yards: Start with gun at ready loaded with exactly 3 rounds. Shoot 3 body, reload, and shoot 3 body = 3.09
String 7 @ 10 yards: Draw and shoot 3 body = 1.49
String 8 @ 15 yards: Draw and shoot 4 body = 2.15
String 9 @ 25 yards: Draw and shoot 3 body = 2.49

Total time: 18.26 seconds
Total points: 196

Final score: 214

I really enjoy that this particular test is based in hit factor scoring.

Jeff22
12-07-2018, 05:49 AM
I just found a bunch of IALEFI-Q targets I kind of forgot I had. I'll have to test fire this drill and see how I do

Prdator
12-07-2018, 03:41 PM
Shot this for the DotW.

Gen3 G34 in a Keeper concealed under a polo shirt.
Used an IDPA target and traced a ~3.5" circle in the head (the outline of my depleted roll of duct tape.)

Times
String 1 @ 3 yards: Sidestep, draw, and shoot 4 body = 1.40
String 2 @ 5 yards: Sidestep, draw, and shoot 3 body and 2 head = 2.03
String 3 @ 5 yards: Start with gun at ready in strong hand only, shoot 4 body = 1.50
String 4 @ 5 yards: Start with gun at ready in support hand only, shoot 5 body = 2.08
String 5 @ 7 yards: Draw and shoot 6 body = 2.03
String 6 @ 7 yards: Start with gun at ready loaded with exactly 3 rounds. Shoot 3 body, reload, and shoot 3 body = 3.09
String 7 @ 10 yards: Draw and shoot 3 body = 1.49
String 8 @ 15 yards: Draw and shoot 4 body = 2.15
String 9 @ 25 yards: Draw and shoot 3 body = 2.49

Total time: 18.26 seconds
Total points: 196

Final score: 214

I really enjoy that this particular test is based in hit factor scoring.


So really dude... that is like Cyborg stuff... 3 rounds at 10 yards in 1.49 is flat insane.. that's a sub second first round hit and like .21 splits.

Well done man truly Well done.

Mr_White
12-07-2018, 03:44 PM
So really dude... that is like Cyborg stuff... 3 rounds at 10 yards in 1.49 is flat insane.. that's a sub second first round hit and like .21 splits.

Well done man truly Well done.

Thanks! 2016 feels like so long ago lol...

1Rangemaster
01-25-2023, 09:37 AM
A coworker and I shot this on some downtime on indoor range. I thought I had shot it years ago(and 2018 seems like a different time now), but can't find the specific notes. Unconcealed with a 43X, green dot Holosun and Streamlight mounted-

2.51, 3.63, 3.48, 3.84, 4.79, 6.33(bozo'd the load), 2.9, 4.12 and 4.46. 8 points down yields around a 106.

Maybe apples to grapefruits, but I'll try this soon with our test G45 set up with the Performance Trigger, out of a Level 3 holster. Hopefully get others to shoot it for data. It's a reasoned test, thanks to Tom Givens. I think a good number of LE couldn't get past 90 or so...