9mm Reload Data

[JV_]

For those of you that reload 9mm, I'm curious what load your running?

124gr - Montana Gold CMJ
Federal 100 Primer
4.2gr - Vhit N320 Powder
1.135" COAL
1046 fps (avg) from a Glock 19, 130 PF.


124gr - Montana Gold CMJ
Federal 100 Primer
4.6gr - Vhit N320 Powder
1.135" COAL
1112 fps (avg) from a Glock 19, 138 PF.


Both shoot very clean.

Use at your own risk. Always consult a reloading guide before developing your own loads.

[gringop]

MG 124gr FMJ
Win SP primer
4.5gr Win 231
range pickup brass
1068 FPS from a G19

I run 231 because I can load 38SP+P, 9mm, 40, and 45ACP practice loads with it. The stuff is like a freeking Shmoo.

Gringop

[CCT125US]

Bullet: Berry's Plated 124gr RNDS
COAL: 1.135"
Primer: CCI 500
Powder: Unique 5.2gr
Brass type: Winchester, PMC, and Blazer produce around 1100 fps with PMC being the highest velocity, most consistent and lowest standard deviation IIRC. Can't seem to find my thumb drive or I could give actual velocity and S.D. for each brass type.
Firearm used: HKP30
Distance: 10ft from muzzle
Temp: 78*

[sm0kyjoe]

115 gr montana gold. Jhp
5.9 gr power pistol
Cci 500 primer
Mixed brass .. about 7 cents a round ;-)

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[mizer67]

Depends on what I'm shooting.

Gun Games (IDPA / USPSA):

4.2 grains Titegroup 124 MG CMJ or JHP 1.140" OAL, 1,100 fps from a G17
3.6-3.7 grains N320 147 Zero JHP 1.140" OAL, 935 fps from a G17
4.2 grains WSF 147 Zero JHP 1.140" OAL, 940 fps from a G17

Accuracy:

4.8 - 5.0 grains of N340 115 Horn XTP JHP 1.085" OAL
6.0 - 6.2 grains of Power Pistol 115 Horn XTP JHP or Zero FMJ 1.12" OAL for JHP
5.7 - 5.9 (5.8+ is over max) grains of Silouette 115 Horn, Sierra or Zero FMJ 1.12" OAL
4.8 - 5.0 grains of WSF, 115 Horn or Sierra FMJ 1.12" OAL
4.8 - 4.9 grains of N330, 115 Horn XTP JHP 1.085" OAL

You may need a tad less powder if you don't live near sea level and have high humidity. All brass is same headstamp. Primer is what's cheapest of the US brands at the time, usually CCI or Win.

[Chris Rhines]

124grn. Montana Gold JHP
4.2grn. Titegroup
Fiocchi Small Pistol primer
Mixed brass
1.125" COAL
~1100fps from a S&W M&P Pro 5". PF ~136-137.


147grn. Zero JHP
3.3grn. Titegroup
Fiocchi Small Pistol primer
Mixed brass
1.135" COAL
Haven't chrono'd this one yet, but should make ~130PF in a Glock 34.

[Argus]

115 gr plated RN
5.7 gr AA#5
1.140 OAL
Primers - whatever is cheap; currently CCI

[Ray Keith]

124 gr Montana Gold CMJ
4.2 grains Titegroup
Tula Primer (for general stuff) Federal or Winchester for match ammo
1.135 target OAL
Mixed brass
1080-1110 is FPS Glock 34 & 17

[davestarbuck]

Precison Delta or Montana Gold 124 gr FMJ
Mixed Cases
CCI 500 primers
5.7 gr Ramshot Silhouette
1.15" OAL

I've shot close to 25K of this load through my Glocks and my buddies MP5, good stuff!

[Odin Bravo One]

124 gr Montana Gold
Mixed once fired cases
Federal 100 primers
1.165 OAL
7.5 gr AutoComp
Velocity Avg 1450-1475, depending on location and Wx.

115 gr Berry's plated
Mixed brass
Federal 100
1.135 OAL
4.8 700X
Velocity is at the 1025-1050 range, depending on location and Wx.

[nwhpfan]

From a XDM 5.25

147g www.precisionbullets.com or www.missouribullet.com hard cast
3.8 WSF
Any SPP but usually CCI500
1.135ish
920 FPS

or

124g Montanna Gold FMJ
5.0 WSF
Any SPP but usually CCI500
1.169
1050 FPS

They are both very accurate. I like the 147 better. Softer feel to me.

[JV_]

124 gr Montana Gold
Mixed once fired cases
Federal 100 primers
1.165 OAL
7.5 gr AutoComp
Velocity Avg 1450-1475, depending on location and Wx.

Note for those not careful: This is 9 MAJOR.

[Ray Keith]

124g Montanna Gold FMJ
5.0 WSF
Any SPP but usually CCI500
1.169
1050 FPS

They are both very accurate. I like the 147 better. Softer feel to me.

Is this load compressed?

Thanks

[Odin Bravo One]

Note for those not careful: This is 9 MAJOR.

Yeah, bad assumption on my part.........

Another note.......

These will fit into some of my 9mm mags, and almost all of my 9mm chambers. Not all 9mm's have the proper support in the proper areas for the much higher pressures as compared to 9x19 NATO. I would advise against using that load data in a service pistol. At best, you are beating up your gun prematurely, and it will stop working long before it has reached what should have been it's service life. At worst, it blows your gun apart in your hand, sending plastic, and steel shrapnel into you, and anyone standing close enough to absorb the parts of the gun that either missed you, or went through you.

Don't look at the muzzle velocity and interpret that to mean you are getting "better" performance out of your hot off the LGS shelf, Hi-Point by upping your loading game to include a 124gr projectile at 1450fps.

[jumpthestack]

124 gr Precision Delta FMJ
5.0 gr Unique
1.15" OAL

I've also used
115 gr Precision Delta FMJ
5.3 gr Unique
1.15" OAL

115gr Missouri Bullet Company LRN
4.5 gr Unique
1.06" OAL

[EricP]

124 gr. Precision Delta FMJ
5.3 gr. Power Pistol
CCI SPP
1.145" OAL
~1025 FPS

This was my IDPA load. It makes power factor, but not by much.

124 gr. Precision Delta FMJ
5.8 gr. Power Pistol
CCI SPP
1.145" OAL
~1100 FPS

This better simulates defensive loads. It has a huge muzzle flash. Shooting it on an indoor range is distracting.

124 gr. Montana Gold FMJ
4.3 gr. VV N320
CCI SPP
1.140" OAL
~1000 FPS

This load was very accurate, producing single digit extreme spreads and standard deviations. This was close to a maximum powder charge. I could never get the velocity that I was after.

I'm primarily shooting on a indoor range. Anybody have any thoughts on low flash powders?

[nwhpfan]

Is this load compressed?

Thanks

Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "compressed." 5.0g of WSF maybe fills half the case. But I may have misled, I use 5.0 in my P2000 and M&P9. I use 4.8 in my XDM 5.25.

[JV_]

Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "compressed."When you seat the bullet, it compresses the powder charge.

Imagine seating the bullet .250" in to a case that only has .220" of space between the top of the powder and the rim.

[perlslacker]

147gr cast lead from jkbullets.com
3.2gr Bullseye
Either Winchester or Fiocchi small pistol primers
1.14" COAL

It makes minor, and shoots softly and accurately. It's also really cheap to load. However, it smokes like a chimney and fouls the bore pretty badly. I tried some moly bullets from BBI and they're cleaner so I might switch to them.

[m91196]

147gr cast lead from jkbullets.com
3.2gr Bullseye
Either Winchester or Fiocchi small pistol primers
1.14" COAL

It makes minor, and shoots softly and accurately. It's also really cheap to load. However, it smokes like a chimney and fouls the bore pretty badly. I tried some moly bullets from BBI and they're cleaner so I might switch to them.

I have good luck with slower powders with moly bullets, Solo 1000 is soft and clean choice for me

[mizer67]

I've pared down my loads to running 124 gr Precision Delta JHPs over 4.9 grains of N340 @ 1.09" OAL. Usually use Speer brass and CCI 500 primers. Very accurate, soft enough for competition, and strong enough to take down steel easily.

This load will run in any gun I own, including the one with the shortest throat (CZ Shadow).

[1986s4]

For those of you that reload 9mm, I'm curious what load your running?

124gr - Montana Gold CMJ
Federal 100 Primer
4.2gr - Vhit N320 Powder
1.135" COAL
1046 fps (avg) from a Glock 19, 130 PF.


124gr - Montana Gold CMJ
Federal 100 Primer
4.6gr - Vhit N320 Powder
1.135" COAL
1112 fps (avg) from a Glock 19, 138 PF.


Both shoot very clean.

#1 is what I use, great load. Tried to find a powder I liked as much as VVN320, Ramshot competition comes close, but N320 still wins. For slightly greater accuracy, same bullet with VVN340.

[JV_]

For slightly greater accuracy, same bullet with VVN340.I tried N340. In order to get decent ES/SD numbers, I had to get the velocity up to 1150 - which was warmer than I wanted.

[JAD]

Has anyone come up with a load that duplicates their carry load? Not just in velocity, but also perceived recoil impulse?

[JV_]

Has anyone come up with a load that duplicates their carry load? Not just in velocity, but also perceived recoil impulse?

Yes, for perceived recoil. I don't care if the velocity matches.

[perlslacker]

I have good luck with slower powders with moly bullets, Solo 1000 is soft and clean choice for me

I've thought about switching powders but I just opened my last 4lb jug of Bullseye so I'm going to wait until I run through that.

I considered Solo1K but I haven't seen it around here. I've been thinking of switching to WST. It's a fast-burning powder, but a lot of USPSA shooters around here use it with cast and moly bullets.

[JAD]

Yes, for perceived recoil. I don't care if the velocity matches.

Thanks JV. Which load (referencing the OP I assume) and what carry load does it duplicate, if I may ask?

[rsa-otc]

I look for two things to match when working up a reload that duplicates my carry ammunition. Recoil and POA/POI. Velocity & bullet weight has a lot to do with the later.

[JV_]

Thanks JV. Which load (referencing the OP I assume) and what carry load does it duplicate, if I may ask?

I use 4.3 or 4.4 of TG behind a 124. If you don't have any, I'd also consider using Power Pistol.
http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/RecipePrint.aspx?gtypeid=1&weight=124&shellid=23&bulletid=26&bdid=951

[JConn]

I use 4.3 or 4.4 of TG behind a 124. If you don't have any, I'd also consider using Power Pistol.
http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/RecipePrint.aspx?gtypeid=1&weight=124&shellid=23&bulletid=26&bdid=951

Since when?

[JV_]

Since when?I've been playing with TG, WSF, and W231. I'm coming up with an economy load, one that puts my ammo at $100 / case.

[JConn]

I've been playing with TG, WSF, and W231. I'm coming up with an economy load, one that puts my ammo at $100 / case.

Are you switching bullets as well?

[JV_]

Are you switching bullets as well?The only thing unchanged is the brass.

[mizer67]

For those of you that reload 9mm, I'm curious what load your running?

124gr - Montana Gold CMJ
Federal 100 Primer
4.2gr - Vhit N320 Powder
1.135" COAL
1046 fps (avg) from a Glock 19, 130 PF.


124gr - Montana Gold CMJ
Federal 100 Primer
4.6gr - Vhit N320 Powder
1.135" COAL
1112 fps (avg) from a Glock 19, 138 PF.


Both shoot very clean.

The bottom load is over VV's max for N320.

I couldn't make 1,000 fps reliably with the N320 I have on hand and 4.4 gr at that OAL using MG 124 JHPs. They're a little shorter bullet, but still.

[JV_]

The bottom load is over VV's max for N320.That's correct.

[LtDave]

Some accurate 147 grain loads. All using Win SP primers. All have shot under 2" at 20 yards in several Glocks and an M&P 9L.

Bayou bullet with 3.3 grains N320
Hornady or Zero FMJ with 4.0 WSF, 4.9 AA#5 or 3.9 AutoComp.
The AutoComp load may not make minor in all guns.

[EricP]

For those of you that reload 9mm, I'm curious what load your running?

124gr - Montana Gold CMJ
Federal 100 Primer
4.2gr - Vhit N320 Powder
1.135" COAL
1046 fps (avg) from a Glock 19, 130 PF.


124gr - Montana Gold CMJ
Federal 100 Primer
4.6gr - Vhit N320 Powder
1.135" COAL
1112 fps (avg) from a Glock 19, 138 PF.


Both shoot very clean.

Use at your own risk. Always consult a reloading guide before developing your own loads.

I couldn't get the velocity that I was after with N320. Have you tried either VV N340 or 3N37?

[mizer67]

I couldn't get the velocity that I was after with N320. Have you tried either VV N340 or 3N37?

N340 is my second favorite powder (next to N330) which is the best 9mm powder available, IMO.

Somewhere around 4.85 - 5.0 grains depending on your bullet and OAL (I'm using PD 124 JHPs with those charge weights, CCI 500's and Speer cases) give me a soft shooting ~1,100 fps that takes down steel well and runs flat. With a fitted Jarvis in my Gen4 G17, I average 1.5" 10-round groups @ 25 yards.

3N37 I have used some of but it's not the right powder for 9mm minor, IMO. 9mm major on the other hand, is a different story.

[JV_]

Have you tried either VV N340 or 3N37?Yes, I've used N340.

5.5gr N340
124g
Federal Primer
1.150" COAL
1146 fps (Sig P229)
21 ES / 8 SD

Also look here: http://www.lapua.com/en/products/reloading/vihtavuori-reloading-data/relodata/6/34
(See the Hornady 124g Bullet Listing)

[G60]

I've been playing with TG, WSF, and W231. I'm coming up with an economy load, one that puts my ammo at $100 / case.

How do you like WSF compared to 231 and TG?

I shoot cast & have an order in for a case of bayou 124s and due to availability I've been considering a few #'s of WSF as I'm down to 1lb of 231. I like 231 but I'd like something a bit less smoky if possible. (I know bayous smoke less.)

I'll continue to use TG for a carry load duplicate, but it's too hot, smoky and violent for my liking otherwise.

Trying to make minor pf with an m&p 9fs and G19.

[JV_]

I don't have any additional 231 or TG data to share, but I found a WSF & Precision Bullet (125g) load that I like. It's a little smokey, but not too bad.

Mixed Brass
Tula SP Primers
Precision 125 Bullets
4.8gr of WSF
1062fps from a Glock 17

That puts me right at $100 / case of 9mm.

[JAD]

I don't have any additional 231 or TG data to share, but I found a WSF & Precision Bullet (125g) load that I like. It's a little smokey, but not too bad.

Mixed Brass
Tula SP Primers
Precision 125 Bullets
4.8gr of WSF
1062fps from a Glock 17

That puts me right at $100 / case of 9mm.
-- Really sorry to necro your post, JV, but I've recently become interested in economy loading for a G17. Have you worked up a TG load with the precision bullets yet? Are you running the Precision Bullets in a stock barrel, or have you switched to a cut rifling barrel?

[JV_]

Have you worked up a TG load with the precision bullets yet?No, and I don't think I will. Too many people report that's it's smokey with lead bullets.


Are you running the Precision Bullets in a stock barrel, or have you switched to a cut rifling barrel?I started to get too much leading in my Glock barrel, and I don't like cleaning my guns. My 34 now wears a Barsto.

[Xenogy]

I tried this one out last weekend and was very impressed. I have been trying to get good accuracy out of Berrys bullets for awhile now and it seems this is the most accurate so far. It also burned very clean like my experience with VV powder. Caution: This is a max load and Clays is notoriously sensitive with pressure spikes.

124gr Berrys RN
3.7gr Clays
1.125 COAL
Mixed Brass
CCI 500 Primers
CZ P-01 3.9" BBL
Temp 90F

String 1
AVG 1035
HI 1038
LO 1034
ES 4
SD 1
Shots 5

String 2
AVG 1032
HI 1049
LO 1022
ES 27
SD 9
Shots 5

[dustyvarmint]

I was interested in this thread, but lack the mental capacity to make much out of it as is.

So, I summarized much of the information in this spreadsheet. Hopefully the link works - my first cloud doc.

Disclaimer: NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR TYPOGRAPHIC ERRORS. ALWAYS CONSULT A RELOADING MANUAL.

Only loads I thought to be possible for action sports, non-major PF, available as bulk-rate bullets, that made minor PF are listed and I just left out ones I didn't feel like listing (too scant info, etc.)

http://sdrv.ms/1ih0cRE

[dustyvarmint]

As usual, forgot something - my primary load:

3.6 gr Clays
124 gr Precision Delta JHP
Federal #100 Primers
1.135" COL
WW Brass
83 degrees, 67% humidity, 1030 fps, 127 pf, G17

I re-chronoed this load with mixed range brass on 9/1/13 at a 6-shot avg of 1043 fps, 129 pf, G17, but I failed to record atmospheric conditions. IIRC the staff at the 2013 WI state IDPA match recorded pf at 30.

happy shooting, dv

[md8232]

Time to bring this back from the dead again. I'm ready to start reloading for my G-19's.
This is what I have:
147gr. Montana Gold CMJ
WallyWorld Federal Brass from the 100 round value packs
CCI-500 primers
1 Lb of Alliant Power Pistol. The only other powder I can find is Bullseye, and I don't want to use it.
Data I can find doesn't list these exact components, but show 5.0 as a max with OAL = 1.13"
Anyone loading this bullet and powder combo? Recipes welcome.

[Wayne Dobbs]

And I'd like to have anybody's input on Solo 1000 with 124/125 jacketed bullets in 9mm.

Thanks!

[dsa]

Time to bring this back from the dead again. I'm ready to start reloading for my G-19's.
This is what I have:
147gr. Montana Gold CMJ
WallyWorld Federal Brass from the 100 round value packs
CCI-500 primers
1 Lb of Alliant Power Pistol. The only other powder I can find is Bullseye, and I don't want to use it.
Data I can find doesn't list these exact components, but show 5.0 as a max with OAL = 1.13"
Anyone loading this bullet and powder combo? Recipes welcome.

I have no experience with Power Pistol however, I have a great deal of experience with Bullseye. Bullseye is an excellent powder very consistent (single digit deviations over the chrono are common) and very accurate. It is a bit dirtier than others but I have never found that to be much of an issue for me. I wish I could find some of it now.

[dsa]

Solo 1000 varies a great deal from lot to lot. With the previous lot I had I was using 3.6gr to push my 124gr polymer coated lead bullets to 1050 fps, with the current lot I have I need 4.0gr to achieve the same speed.

[Rich]

MG 124gr FMJ
Win SP primer
4.5gr Win 231
range pickup brass
1068 FPS from a G19

I run 231 because I can load 38SP+P, 9mm, 40, and 45ACP practice loads with it. The stuff is like a freeking Shmoo.

Gringop

I've heard it said fast burning powders and 147gr make for soft shooting.

[Rich]

Time to bring this back from the dead again. I'm ready to start reloading for my G-19's.
This is what I have:
147gr. Montana Gold CMJ
WallyWorld Federal Brass from the 100 round value packs
CCI-500 primers
1 Lb of Alliant Power Pistol. The only other powder I can find is Bullseye, and I don't want to use it.
Data I can find doesn't list these exact components, but show 5.0 as a max with OAL = 1.13"
Anyone loading this bullet and powder combo? Recipes welcome.

Bullseye is my favorite powder for loading up the 38spl. 2.7grs +148 HBWC = Tack driver

[Rich]

I have no experience with Power Pistol however, I have a great deal of experience with Bullseye. Bullseye is an excellent powder very consistent (single digit deviations over the chrono are common) and very accurate. .

+1 Highly accurate.

I have used PP before in 9mm/40S&W! But never bought anymore of it.

My friend turn me on to the AA Reloading Manual when I bought my 40S&W P229 in 4-98

This old AA manual has some excellent 40S&W loads . Plus the AA powders meter excellent in the SD Dillon.


I may have to start reloading again. I use to love reloading just as much as shooting.

[Rich]

124 gr Montana Gold
Mixed once fired cases
Federal 100 primers
1.165 OAL
7.5 gr AutoComp
Velocity Avg 1450-1475, depending on location and Wx.



What do you use this load for?

[ranger]

How do you like WSF compared to 231 and TG?

I shoot cast & have an order in for a case of bayou 124s and due to availability I've been considering a few #'s of WSF as I'm down to 1lb of 231. I like 231 but I'd like something a bit less smoky if possible. (I know bayous smoke less.)

I'll continue to use TG for a carry load duplicate, but it's too hot, smoky and violent for my liking otherwise.

Trying to make minor pf with an m&p 9fs and G19.

I really like WSF in 9mm - unfortunately I am down to my last pound of WSF. Been using the WSF with all sorts of 9mm bullets from 124 LRN to 150 SWC.

[LtDave]

Time to bring this back from the dead again. I'm ready to start reloading for my G-19's.
This is what I have:
147gr. Montana Gold CMJ
WallyWorld Federal Brass from the 100 round value packs
CCI-500 primers
1 Lb of Alliant Power Pistol. The only other powder I can find is Bullseye, and I don't want to use it.
Data I can find doesn't list these exact components, but show 5.0 as a max with OAL = 1.13"
Anyone loading this bullet and powder combo? Recipes welcome.

I"ve had good results with 4.2 to 4.5 Power Pistol with 147 grain Remington and Hornady FMJ bullets. I've got some of the MG CMJ's but haven't tried that combo. 4.2 grains got me 910 and 925 fps with those bullets out of a G34.

[BigT]

What do you use this load for?


Im not SeanM nor do I play him on the internet. But I'm guessing that's his 9mm Major load for his open gun.

[Rich]

Im not SeanM nor do I play him on the internet. But I'm guessing that's his 9mm Major load for his open gun.


I get it ipsc . I was invited to a IPSC shoot when I was into the Colt 1911 45acp by my dealer / detective. It didn't rub off on me.


I wonder if the HST 124 +P would make the cut ? 1200FPS out of the right size barrel. Or the ranger 127+P+ that's a little over 1200 fps.
And I don't know how to do the math or power factor

[BigT]

For IPSC Open a 124 would need to do a minimum of 1291fps to make major. That's with no safety margin on factor. Not sure what exactly it would be for USPSA, I think it's similar.

[TAP]

And I'd like to have anybody's input on Solo 1000 with 124/125 jacketed bullets in 9mm.

Thanks!

I've run a couple of older lots of Solo 1000 for several years. Very nice shooting with 124g.

The lots vary significantly.

One lot 1.13" OAL, Fed 100 SPP, 4.2g, MG 124 CMJ was in the 130 PF range. I tried a second lot with 4.6g and everything else equal and it was only 116 PF range.

4.6g is almost a compressed load.

I don't compete often so I like the mouse fart 4.6g load. I have no problems with reliability in either M&P 9 fs or G19 after about 12k of this load.

[Spr1]

Unique is perfect in the 9. Power Pistol strikes me as a cleaner Unique. AA powder (would need my notes for which) was like blowing 8lbs of sand through the comp on my .38 Super back in the day.
Power Pistol, perhaps surprisingly given it's marketing, works very well in slightly +P .38 Special as a bonus.

[LSP972]

I really like WSF in 9mm - unfortunately I am down to my last pound of WSF. Been using the WSF with all sorts of 9mm bullets from 124 LRN to 150 SWC.


I've been using WST. Not as versatile as WSF in the smaller-capacity cases, but it works well enough for practice/blasting ammo, and I use a LOT of it in .45 and .40… so it simplifies my supply situation.

I use 4.6 under a 115gr Precision Delta ball bullet. With Bayou Bullets' 124gr RNL coated bullet, 3.9 worked well.

I know I'd get better accuracy with 147gr bullets, but I simply don't shoot enough 9mm to bother investing in the more expensive projectiles.

.

[Trooper224]

I use a 125 grain RNL coated with Hi-Tek from SnS Casting, over 3.6 grains of Titegroup.

[Ray Keith]

I use a 125 grain RNL coated with Hi-Tek from SnS Casting, over 3.6 grains of Titegroup.

That coating must be great, for me Titegroup and lead produced clouds of smoke..

[JV_]

That coating must be great, for me Titegroup and lead produced clouds of smoke..

+1

[dsa]

The Hi-Tek coating is very good stuff. Between me and the half dozen guys I shoot with I haven't seen a powder that wasn't acceptable with Hi-Tek coated bullets (Titegroup, Solo 1000, AA#2, N320, WST, Longshot, 700x, Clays, and Bullseye to name some powders that have been used amongst this group).

[Trooper224]

That coating must be great, for me Titegroup and lead produced clouds of smoke..

It's quickly made a believer out of me.

[Molon]

Has anyone come up with a load that duplicates their carry load? Not just in velocity, but also perceived recoil impulse?


My current 9 x 19mm self-defense loads are Federal's 147 grain HST and Winchester's 147 grain Ranger-T. Hornady's 147 grain FMJ bullet loaded to factory velocity using VihtaVuori 3N37 powder gives a good approximation of the recoil characteristics and POI of the above factory loads in my guns. The 10-shot group pictured below was fired from my SIG P226 at a distance of 25 yards using this hand-load. The group has an extreme spread of 1.4".



https://app.box.com/shared/static/iqnh3k88edg4c9n1zalc.jpg



For pure accuracy in the 9 x 19mm cartridge, nothing that I have tested to date has topped the performance of the Hornady 125 HAP bullet. The 10-shot group pictured below was fired from one of my Noveske barrels at a distance of 25 yards using the 125 grain HAP charged with Winchester Action Pistol powder. This group has an extreme spread of 0.413".



https://app.box.com/shared/static/q1fznfmm8c.jpg


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[Edwin]

I was interested in this thread, but lack the mental capacity to make much out of it as is.

So, I summarized much of the information in this spreadsheet. Hopefully the link works - my first cloud doc.

Disclaimer: NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR TYPOGRAPHIC ERRORS. ALWAYS CONSULT A RELOADING MANUAL.

Only loads I thought to be possible for action sports, non-major PF, available as bulk-rate bullets, that made minor PF are listed and I just left out ones I didn't feel like listing (too scant info, etc.)

http://sdrv.ms/1ih0cRE

If you paste this formula into every cell of Column L, it will automatically calculate the power factor.


=SUM(C3*K3/1000)

[Trooper224]

Today I tried the 125 grain RNLs coated with Hi-Tek over 4.2 grains of Bullseye. Previously, I hadn't had any luck with Bullseye in 9mm. I couldn't find a load that would maintain accuracy and not causing excessive leading. The load grouped very well and the barrel cleaned up easily, with no leading.

[SPDGG]

fwiw: * * * FOR REFERENCE; WORKING Up a load for "your" firearm(s) is "your" responsibility. Load From MINimum on up from a recognized/respected data source.

* 9mm: MG 124 JHP, MG147 CMJ; Jacketed Loads with W231/HP38:
- W231/HP38 is one of my favorite powders, flows/meters like water, great for most small pistol calibers.
- Dirtier than PP, but not bad at all. Nothing that, imho, should/would bother anyone.
- Felt recoil is minimal/manageable; Don't have chrono numbers on me, but these should make Minor PF in most 4"+ handguns.
- These are set up for Bar Sto Barrels, Chamber requires a shorter OAL compared to factory offerings. Shoot exceptional with Factory as well

MG 124 JHP
W231 4.4-4.5 grains [Settled on 4.5 grains]
CCI / WSP
0.377-0.378" Neck
1.075" OAL
WIN Brass

MG 147 CMJ
W231 3.6-3.8 grains [Settled on 3.7 grains]
CCI / WSP
0.377-0.378" Neck
1.12" OAL
WIN Brass

* 9mm: Hornady 115 HAP; MG 124 JHP; MG 147 CMJ; Jacketed Loads with Power Pistol:
- PP Meters great, haven't had any major variances with powder drop in my Hornady Powder Measure.
- Burns Clean at these weights.
- VERY Flashy, additional felt recoil vs. W231/HP38 above, but pushing them slightly faster.
- Switched to PP to make a load similar to carry ammo. Yes, these can be driven faster, but I am more than happy with the Accuracy & Feel of these.
- These are set up for Bar Sto Barrels, Chamber requires a shorter OAL compared to factory offerings. Shoot exceptional in factory as well

Hornady 115 HAP
PP 6.0-6.2 grains [Settled on 6.2 grains]
CCI / WSP
0.377-0.378" Neck
1.075" OAL
WIN Brass

MG 124 JHP
PP 5.4-5.6 grains [Settled on 5.4 grains]
CCI / WSP
0.377-0.378"- Neck
1.075" OAL
WIN Brass

MG 147 CMJ
PP 4.2-4.5 grains [Settled on 4.5 grains ]
CCI / WSP
0.377-0.378" Neck
1.12" OAL
WIN Brass

* I'll update if I find my numbers for W231/HP38 & any info. when I get around to getting chrono numbers for PP.

[Edwin]

Anyone have any recommendations on Hodgon Hi-Skor 800-X with Rainier Ballstics 124gr RN? This is the only powder I've been able to get.

[LittleLebowski]

Titegroup and 9mm 115gr plated loads?

[Luke]

125 grain zero RN & 125 grain bluebullet RN

1.145 with 3.9 grains of titegroup made 132ish PF

1.115 with 3.6 grains made ~129 PF (only tested with bluebullets)

Both with small CCI's and mixed range brass.

Shot both loads out of a 320 full size. The 3.6 grain load is my gaming load. I find it shoots soft and flat. Been thinking about trying some N320 but doubt I will.

[Paul D]

115 grain Berry RN with Titegroup 4.5 grains with a muzzle velocity of about 1160-1180 fps out of a Glock 17 with stock barrel. Primers: CCI or Remington. Brass: various.

[JCS]

Recently started reloading and did some test loads with 115 grn and 147 grn. Not sure which loads I should go with. The lightest load that functioned? Or should I bump up .1 grain.

For example 3.2, 3.3 and 3.4 grns of titegroup under a 147 grn fmj all functioned with my g19. Should I just go with 3.2?


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[martin_j001]

Just got my press up and running today. Loaded up a few rounds to test out at the range in a few days. 125gr BlueBullets over 3.6gr Titegroup at an OAL of ~1.125. Open to suggestions if I should change things up or try something different too.

[Luke]

Just got my press up and running today. Loaded up a few rounds to test out at the range in a few days. 125gr BlueBullets over 3.6gr Titegroup at an OAL of ~1.125. Open to suggestions if I should change things up or try something different too.


Are you shooting uspsa? If so just make sure the load you settle on meets power factor. I would think with that OAL you would be might close to the minimum. If you don't plan to shoot any big matches it does t really matter, just thought I'd share.


BUT! As for that load, I bet you it will feel very soft.

[Clusterfrack]

Recently started reloading and did some test loads with 115 grn and 147 grn. Not sure which loads I should go with. The lightest load that functioned? Or should I bump up .1 grain.

For example 3.2, 3.3 and 3.4 grns of titegroup under a 147 grn fmj all functioned with my g19. Should I just go with 3.2?


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I prefer 147 in Glocks for competition and defense-oriented practice. 124 is my second choice. I do not like 115gr 9mm.

For competition, you'll need to Chrono to figure out if your load is where you need it to be. For general practice I load as similar to my defensive load as I can (147 HST).

[martin_j001]

Are you shooting uspsa? If so just make sure the load you settle on meets power factor. I would think with that OAL you would be might close to the minimum. If you don't plan to shoot any big matches it does t really matter, just thought I'd share.


BUT! As for that load, I bet you it will feel very soft.

Not shooting anything where my ammo is chrono'd at the moment, but may in the future. I've made a note of your load data above too. I may run another small batch at 3.7gr and the same length. At the moment, just need something that runs the gun well, and if it's nice and light shooting out of my G34, then all the better. :)

[Clusterfrack]

I load round nose to 1.150" for Glocks. Might take 3.8 of TG to make power factor.

[LittleLebowski]

115 grain Berry RN with Titegroup 4.5 grains with a muzzle velocity of about 1160-1180 fps out of a Glock 17 with stock barrel. Primers: CCI or Remington. Brass: various.

Excellent, thank you. My manual said to start off at 4.1gr. Are you crimping at all?

[Paul D]

Excellent, thank you. My manual said to start off at 4.1gr. Are you crimping at all?

No crimp. It works well with standard Hornady 115 gr. FMJ with preservation of velocities. I load on a Dillon 650.

[LittleLebowski]

No crimp. It works well with standard Hornady 115 gr. FMJ with preservation of velocities. I load on a Dillon 650.

Interesting, not sure what to do with my 4th station on my 550's toolhead.

[Luke]

You should still be de belling aka crimping. 9mm doesn't necessarily get a real crimp, but it needs to be squeezed down to ~.377. Messing around with neck tension can do some odd things.

[JAD]

Interesting, not sure what to do with my 4th station on my 550's toolhead.

I still run the (Dillon taper) crimp die, I just don't hit it very hard.

[Matt O]

Interesting, not sure what to do with my 4th station on my 550's toolhead.

You just need to take the bell out of the brass. A good overall width to shoot for is the width of the brass case walls at the mouth plus the width of the bullet. The chamber of the pistol you're reloading for will also play a factor as some are cut more generously than others. Most of my loads are set right around .378 - .380.

[Clusterfrack]

Interesting, not sure what to do with my 4th station on my 550's toolhead.

RCBS lockout die (powder check)!

[Paul D]

Interesting, not sure what to do with my 4th station on my 550's toolhead.

I do take the bell out of the brass on the last station. When you said crimp, I was thinking in the same line as putting a crimp my rifle rounds. Sorry for the misinformation.

[Mitch]

I'd use the 4th station for a light taper crimp. You'll need to crimp anyway after belling the case at the powder drop, and I prefer to seat and crimp in separate stations if you can (which the 550 can be set up for).


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[Matt O]

I'd use the 4th station for a light roll crimp. You'll need to crimp anyway after belling the case at the powder drop, and I prefer to seat and crimp in separate stations if you can (which the 550 can be set up for).


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To be clear on wording, he needs to use a taper crimp die, not a roll crimp die, the latter being for revolvers which don't headspace off the case mouth. But I completely that seating and crimping in separate stations is the way to go.

[Mitch]

To be clear on wording, he needs to use a taper crimp die, not a roll crimp die, the latter being for revolvers which don't headspace off the case mouth. But I completely that seating and crimping in separate stations is the way to go.

Thanks for pointing that out, edited to correct. Not sure why I had roll crimping on my mind? Brain fart I guess.


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[richiecotite]

Right now I'm shooting 147 gr sns casting coated, NLG flat points in mixed brass over 4.0-4.1 gr of WSF

Recoil is light, and I chrono'd them running right around 940 fps out of the storm lake 9mm conversion barrel I have in my m&p 40


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[NickDrak]

147 gr X-treme bullets plated RN
4.2 gr CFe Pistol powder
Winchester small pistol primers
Avg. 952 fps
COAL: 1.125-1.130
Light taper crimp


147 gr SNS Casting RN
4.0 gr CFe Pistol powder
Winchester small pistol primers
Avg. 942 fps
COAL: 1.125-1.130
Light taper crimp
Both loaded on my Dillon XL650

[LittleLebowski]

You just need to take the bell out of the brass. A good overall width to shoot for is the width of the brass case walls at the mouth plus the width of the bullet. The chamber of the pistol you're reloading for will also play a factor as some are cut more generously than others. Most of my loads are set right around .378 - .380.

Out of sixty rounds loaded, I'm at .373-.375. I've chambered and fired a few but don't have a chronograph yet. At least they function test in my Glocks.

[JAD]

Out of sixty rounds loaded, I'm at .373-.375. I've chambered and fired a few but don't have a chronograph yet. At least they function test in my Glocks.
a) It's hard to measure without an optical comparator. Shout out to my QA geek homies. If you're doing it with hawksbill calipers, be sure to use the thin edge at the tip, and try to get the calipers as level as you can, and measure at the very end of the case. It's a taper.
b) That's a little crimped. That's not necessarily a problem and I get a similar depth on FMJs and am happy with it. With plated bullets, you might see some deformation which detracts from accuracy. If you have an inertial bullet puller, pull one of the critters you measured at 0.373" and see if you're creating a cannelure. If so, back the last die off an eighth of a turn and repeat.

[LittleLebowski]

a) It's hard to measure without an optical comparator. Shout out to my QA geek homies. If you're doing it with hawksbill calipers, be sure to use the thin edge at the tip, and try to get the calipers as level as you can, and measure at the very end of the case. It's a taper.
b) That's a little crimped. That's not necessarily a problem and I get a similar depth on FMJs and am happy with it. With plated bullets, you might see some deformation which detracts from accuracy. If you have an inertial bullet puller, pull one of the critters you measured at 0.373" and see if you're creating a cannelure. If so, back the last die off an eighth of a turn and repeat.

Copy, I think I'll just back it off a touch and load up a few more.