DotW 11: Bullseye Three Way

[ToddG]

Please read the rules (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1837-Drill-of-the-Week) before participating in this thread.

Week 11: Bullseye Three Way
results may be posted until 11:59pm EST on Monday 19-December-2011.

Range: 25yd
Target: B8 replacement center (download pdf here (http://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=57&d=1306683559), courtesy Tom Jones)
Start position: any
Rounds fired: 30

Time to dial things back after weeks of going fast, faster, fasterer.

Using the provided B8 replacement, fire a ten-shot group at 25yd with no time limit and your normal 2-handed grip. Add up the score for all ten shots. Keep in mind that the "7" ring is visible but not identified, and the four corners of the target are technically the "6" ring. For hits on the line between two scoring zones, use the higher scoring value only if the grease ring of the bullet hole cuts the line between the two zones. Tears and other marks that are greater than the bullet's diameter do not count for scoring. Shots that do not hit the sheet of paper score zero. Do not use a standard B8 target, as it will give you more scoring area than the pdf provides.

Then repeat on a second target but shooting strong hand only.

Then repeat on a third target weak hand only.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

score for each string of fire
total score


Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

[MechEng]

SHO & WHO at 25 yards. Sheesh!
My crystal balls predict some ugly targets.

[BaiHu]

Finally got to be the first one on the DotW (an accomplishment, since none of my scores have been an accomplishment).
Only 2 problems with being the first.
1) I didn't look at the DotW until I saw it on my phone at the range (no B-8, but I had a fix in mind).
2) It was cold as crystal balls on my range and I have a nice pic to prove it.

That being said, my stats were:

HKP30L 9mm and gloves
Standing and shivering on an angle to the left of the target, b/c I only had one place to put the target-on the walk way.
Slow fire-only came to 'ready' 2-3 times per 10 shots. It was too cold to take too long.

2H-92
SHO-83
WHO-76
Total-251

You'll see my 'fix' below. I had a 5" target on me and then I overlayed them to a B-8 when I got home and color-coded them with color pencil. I gave myself a few benefits of the doubt since my dots were smaller than the actual round.

My Ice Skating Rink of a Range
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx38/djdemarco/20111212_160910.jpg

My Davinci Code Overlay
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx38/djdemarco/20111212_173631.jpg

All 4 Targets
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx38/djdemarco/20111212_173556.jpg

[JFK]

Same thing here. I pulled up drill of the week on my phone and did not print out the replacement targets. I had to modify with a standard target, and if I can get to the range again this week I will do this properly. So because it was larger I just counted everything outside of 7 a mike. I had to just mark in between strings as I only had one of these with me. I also am going to try this with my carry ammo as you can see it seems like my gun may be unlocking early giving the high groups.

Starting from ready with M&P 115gr Remington UMC

String 1 - 92
String 2 - 86
String 3 - 66 (78 if I counted the corners)

Total - 244

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kYDIff8omOY/TueK6FvZ1JI/AAAAAAAAADw/Smc7s7mHvys/s912/photo.JPG

[Stuffbreaker]

Start Position: Ready - HK P30LS V3 9mm - Factory Sights
String 1: 89
String 2: 47
String 3: 24
Total: 160

Had to go to a new range this week to get out to 25 yards. Though I could feign disgust in my WHO & SHO skills, I'm apathetic about my performance. All of my shots were within the borders of the silhouette target I used as a backer, and if my WHO target was moved 8" to the right my score would be respectable. Perhaps its time to make SHO and WHO shooting more of a priority. Perhaps not. I just can't seem to get that worked up about it.

[ACP230]

I shot this on a covered outdoor range this afternoon. Mid thirties with a wind coming off from the targets to the benches.
Gun was my M15 two-inch with my .38 Special reloads. Fired single action.

Two handed score was 83.

Strong hand 64.

Weak hand only 0.

Total score: 147.

Five of my weak hand shots were above the target and left.
I shot the M15 quite a bit this year right and left handed. Most of it was on larger silhouette targets at 50 feet, or less. I see that doesn't translate to this drill too well.

[NickDrak]

Shot with my Gen4 G17 with a LW 3.5 connector and a Gen3 trigger bar.

2 handed: 95

SHO: 79

WHO: 64

Total: 238

[KeeFus]

Shot this using my M&P 9mm.

Two handed: 86
SHO: 75
WHO: 59

Total: 220

When I initially scored this target on the range I thought that everything in the black was 10. Then I re-read the instructions from the earlier DoTW and saw the error. So, when you look at the pic's that's why everything in the black is lumped into one score (on the both-hand's target you see I totaled everything in the black to 7, SHO you will see a 4...).

http://i.imgur.com/SHayN.jpg

[jetfire]

Shot last night at West Coast Armory using the Gen4 Glock 21 with Remington 230 grain FMJ.

String 1: 97-3x
String 2: 67-1x
String 3: 89-0x

309

Total score: 253-4x

I shot the SHO string old school bullseye style, the way I had been taught back when I was shooting NRA Collegiate pistol. The results were ATROCIOUS. I was shocked at how bad the string was, but then I realized that I've spent the last 4 years teaching myself to shoot a very specific way with my right hand. I imagine that if I had shot it with a more aggressive SHO stance, I would have scored better than I did on the WHO segment. I have to say, I was pretty happy with the WHO shooting, only dropping 11 points.

[ToddG]

http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DotW11-2H.jpg

http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DotW11-SHO.jpg

http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DotW11-WHO.jpg

Total: 285-11X

G17 endurance test gun, Federal P9HST3 (124gr +p HST)

[Wes Peart]

BH- 96
SHO- 79
WHO- 81

256 total.

Gun was my EDC piece, a Glock 19 with factory night sights and a TLR-3. Ammo was Tula 9mm.

REALLY need to work on SHO/WHO, it's not something I ever train and that needs to change. Was hard to get into the groove with either, not a lot of consistency where shots were landing.

[zml342]

String 1: 92-3x
String 2: 78-2x
String 3: 86-0x
Total: 256-5x

I am happy that my schedule actually allowed me to get to the range this week and perform the drill of the week. Interestingly, on the WHO string my group was all on the right side of the target. My assumption is that it is due to how I cant the gun while lining up the sights. My long range shooting still has a long way to go!

[Pennzoil]

I had good weather and shot great today except for this drill.:( I shot this drill out of order with SHO only being last and tried to compensate for the high/right hits which may of hurt me score wise in the long run.

M&P 9mm FS Federal Champion 115gn
1.2H 85
2.SHO 45
3.WHO 49
179

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/284/dtow11.jpg

[C45P312]

1) Two Handed - 84
2) SHO - 82
3) WHO - 68

Total: 234

Boo. Need more practice at 25yards

[cgcorrea]

I made a last minute decision last night, to head out to the NRA range and shoot this week's drill, as it was my last opportunity to do so(Actually, just to shoot in general for the next week and a half.) before I head to California tomorrow morning.

Shot cold with:
-Glock 17
-Geco 124gr FMJ


2H- 79 (Dropped 1 off the paper)
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy285/cgcorrea/2011-12-16_06-15-59_926.jpg


SHO- 66 (Dropped 2 off the paper)
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy285/cgcorrea/2011-12-16_06-16-22_326.jpg

WHO- 53 (Dropped 4 off the paper!!! One of those 4 did nic the top right side of the sheet, but might as well been a complete miss.)
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy285/cgcorrea/2011-12-16_06-16-39_361.jpg


All for a whopping 198 total.


I have to dedicate way more time to this. At the end of my range session however, I feel that I came away a better 25yd shooter.
I shot another 10 round group two handed for my last string, just for shits and giggles, and got much better results. I'll keep at it.
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy285/cgcorrea/2011-12-15_20-50-35_738.jpg

[CCT125US]

HKP30 V3 Heinie S8Q

Since this was for pure accuracy I shot SA. This took about 15 minutes to complete.

Hand loads: Berry's plated 124gr

2H: 93 - 2X

SHO: 87

WHO: 91 - 1X

Total: 271 - 3X

Slightly upset about the SHO string, should have done better. I canted the gun on the WHO string as I have found this to be more accurate for me. For some reason I held the gun vertically on the SHO string and the results showed. I am also pleased with the results of only painting the top serration bright orange, it really stands out against the black target and gives a defined edge for sight tracking.

[guymontag]

Walther P99, FED 115 FMJ

2H-RH: 78-1X, (the good)
LHO: 57, (the bad)
RHO: 53-1X, (the ugly)
Total: 188-2X

Notes: Cloudy, 42 degree weather. I did not expect much from the drill, as the results reflect. Intensified by eyesprinting, anticipation, breaking shots...

[jthhapkido]

This one I did NOT shoot cold. (Well, okay, it was really cold out, but I decided if I was shooting 25 yards for score, I get to work the trigger a bit first, so I put about 25 rounds downrange at 15 yards before trying this.) Like an idiot, I found I had only brought two targets, so I did the SHO and WHO on the same one. (Didn't think I'd have to worry too much about putting them all in the middle and having trouble counting them. :p ) I did remember my camera, though.

Gen4 G17
Warren Tactical sights

2-H: 96
SHO: 81
WHO: 75
Total: 252

Weirdly enough, that is a lot better than I expected SHO. Normally, my SHO is much less accurate than my WHO. (LOTS faster on close targets, just not very accurate on anything over 10 yards.) I think I need to go back out and do this a couple more times, weather permitting---because it took me a LONG time to shoot this bullseye fashion. And I still yanked several on the single-hand shooting sections.

That target gets really small at 25 yards...
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6523171347_6d152fce8c_d.jpg

2-H 10 rounds:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7014/6523171419_f5e765baa6_z.jpg

SHO and WHO: (Got one miss low left on the tape, and one miss WAY low right even off the tape.) Dark by the time I finished, hence the light glare on the target.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6523171529_4c44583d18.jpg

[EmanP]

Ya, it gets dark pretty darn quick now. I don't know how I could have screwed up so badly but I missed 1 on SHO and 2 on WHO. I don't even know where the rounds were since the backer was full of holes. Pretty sad. G17 with my reloads. You're a freaking rockstar Todd.

2H - 94 -3x
SHO - 80 - 1x
WHO - 70 - 0x
Total - 244 - 4x

[ToddG]

It's all about the pond and not the fish.

If we got some serious bullseye shooters in here, they'd laugh at all of us.

If we had the typical "My Favorite Type of Gun Forum" crowd in here, most of them... well, most of them would never publish a score if they even took the time to shoot the drill because 30rd in a week is more than most of them shoot.

The important thing to me is that so many folks are actually going out each week and pushing themselves to get better. This is a drill we'll probably do multiple times per year and whether you go from 200 to 225 or 280 to 285, improvement is what we're looking for.

[BaiHu]

If we had the typical "My Favorite Type of Gun Forum" crowd in here, most of them... well, most of them would never publish a score if they even took the time to shoot the drill because 30rd in a week is more than most of them shoot.

That has me wondering, Todd, do you get a kickback from all of the ammunition manufacturers for 'encouraging' us to shoot more? :D

Seriously, we should get a site in here to sponsor all this shooting and get us some good prices :p

Off to to help the economy by sending another 100 rounds downrange.

[Corey]

Finally, a drill that plays to my strengths!

Pistol: M&P full size 9mm.
Ammo: Handloads using Berry's 147gr bullets.

2 hand: 91
SHO: 87
WHO: 84

Total: 262

You can never have too much accuracy, but overall a felt pretty good about those scores. I used to shoot Tom Jones' Bullseye 1000 regularly with my 1911, but have only shot it a couple of times with my M&P. I think I will put that drill in the rotation a little more frequently and see if I can beat my best 1911 score.

[ToddG]

I'd love to use Tom's BE1000 as a DotW, but it requires folks to have specific targets.

[EmanP]

Tried it again today an hour earlier so the light would be better. 2 handed wasn't so hot but overall it was better since I didn't drop 3 shots. The pistol shoots 2" high with my reloads so I have to lolipop it. Guess my goal for now will be to hit 275 and then break 280.
2H 91-2x
SHO 96-1x
WHO 80-0x
Total 267-3x

[CGA]

H&K P2000 V2 LEM
American Eagle 115gr FMJ
12/18/11

String 1: 89 - 1X
String 2: 84 - 1X
String 3: 56

Total: 229 - 2X

First outing with the P2000. Really liking it so far. Used to the Glock system, so it will take some time to get comfortable with the LEM trigger.

[CraigBos]

M&P 9 Full size
Federal Champion 115gr FMJ
12/17/11

String 1: 63
String 2: 46 - 1X
String 3: 42

Total: 151 - 1X*

*Note, these were shot at an indoor range at their maximum distance of about 18 yards. Still happy to do it after focusing so much at 3 and 5 yd!

[DocGKR]

Brand new 2011 (4/8/11 test fire date) 3rd gen G17 w/RMR07 shooting Federal AE 147 gr FMJ. 20 rounds to sight RMR, then shot the drill for score.

2H = 98-2x
SH = 94-2x
WH = 93-1x

285-5x

341

Since this drill was nearly there, I shot the other two timed portions of the 500 point aggregate (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1254-Pat-McNamara-TAPS-Pistol-6-30-amp-7-1-in-Castro-Valley-CA) and went 463-8x.

This new G17 now has 150 rounds through it without any malfunctions or other failures to operate correctly. The new matte type Glock finish appears to wear very rapidly and seems highly prone to rust formation. We'll see how it goes. As I noted before, our recently acquired adjustable RMR07's have a noticeable light blue tint to the glass unlike our RMR02's. In addition, the elevation and windage adjustments on these RMR07's do not seem to have the same positive clicks as our prior RMR02's.

Happily I started the training session by passing the Defoor pistol test #1 with my carry M&P45!

I shot three FAST drills with the M&P45 and three with the G17; unfortunately the best clean FAST I could run today with the M&P45 was 6.39 sec and the best clean one with the G17 was 6.15 sec.

[ToddG]

Awesome job, Doc! Two eighty-five is what all the cool kids are doing these days...

[DocGKR]

285 is fine when shooting a sissy 9 mm G-LOCK, but when using a real man gun in .45 ACP, then anything under 290 would be unthinkable...

[JV_]

Ugh.

245
String 1 - 95
String 2 - 75
String 3 - 75

Strings 2 and 3 looked like mirror/flipped images of each other.
-WHO shots pushed to the right
-SHO shots pushed to the left

245

[Kevin B.]

285 is fine when shooting a sissy 9 mm G-LOCK, but when using a real man gun in .45 ACP, then anything under 290 would be unthinkable...

Apparently I managed to do the unthinkable. I shot a 272-4X using a 1911 shooting 230-grain WWB.

2H=95-2X
SH=88
WH=89-2X

[DocGKR]

Guy's with PH's get cut some slack...

[JAD]

So, OK, jeeeezus. I knew I sucked, but really.

First, stone cold with a Colt / Wilson LWC in .38 Super, my usual carry these days. Magtech 130 FMJs, shot indoors at the Bullet Hol
81-1x 2H
57 SHO
67 WHO

348
The front sight is the stock Colt XSE crap, and a serrated ramp would be something I need to do in short order, but equipment didn't have much to do with it. I am not running the trigger well slowly, and it's a perfectly lovely trigger. Lots of work to do here.

Then, for giggles, I ran the Kahr that I rarely carry these days. PM9, with the short mag, running Lawman 115s.

68 2H
64 SHO
47 WHO

349

About what could be expected. I wonder why I would feel particularly comfortable carrying this thing?

[Mr_White]

I really didn't do well on this one. I fail to understand how I can shoot radically worse SHO than WHO. I was feeling nervy all weekend and maybe I was just anticipating due to lack of confidence. I have been working on lots of other things for quite some time and really neglecting my WHO/SHO skills, especially at any kind of longer distance, and it certainly shows here. One legit factor might be that I've messed with my grip lately. But I am glad I did the drill, even if it means I go on the internetz to publicly declare my lameness at this shooting task.

No pictures, but I did note the same general pattern as many others on this DotW: SHO shots going to the left, WHO shots going to the right (I am right handed.)

My congratulations to all the shooters who posted some excellent scores.

Two Hands: 89
SHO: 49
WHO: 79
Total: 217

Sucked this week, but at least I still have this guy's endorsement:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6437252455_ba4c902628.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/6437252455/) Operation Wolf (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/6437252455/) by OrigamiAK (http://www.flickr.com/people/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

:cool:

[ToddG]

I fail to understand how I can shoot radically worse SHO than WHO.

We tend to train our SH trigger finger with less precision because it's usually balanced by a strong WH grip that masks minor trigger finger errors. For folks whose WH shooting is all (or at least mostly) done one-handed, the WH trigger finger actually gets a more honest work out during bullseye shooting.

[Mr_White]

We tend to train our SH trigger finger with less precision because it's usually balanced by a strong WH grip that masks minor trigger finger errors. For folks whose WH shooting is all (or at least mostly) done one-handed, the WH trigger finger actually gets a more honest work out during bullseye shooting.

That definitely makes sense.

I had also wondered if I maybe developed better index/trigger finger isolation ability in my left hand than in my right because, when I was a kid I played the violin for a few years, and a right handed person uses their left hand for the dexterity-intensive fingering.

[ToddG]

Week 11 is now CLOSED.

Week 12 (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2503-DotW-12-SWYNTS) has been posted.