CS Tactical
02-16-2017, 01:13 PM
I decided to start a separate thread for discussion on these scopes so I don't clog up another thread.
A review from our very own Patrick E Kelley
http://blog.defenderoutdoors.com/the-new-burris-1-8x-xtrii-versatility-in-a-34mm-tube/
Check out the Burris Optics Company XTR II 1-8x24mm w/ Illum Ballistic Circle Dot Front Focal Plane! MAP is $999.00 Call us at 916.670.1103 for Pistol-Forum pricing:
https://www.cstactical.com/burris-xtr-ii-1-8x24mm-w/-illum-ballistic-circle-dot-ffp.aspx
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15317958_1345400665502443_2794314741052601887_n.jp g?oh=31955c2b79bf530bfdc59c95708b2951&oe=58B4BB14
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15400927_1345401338835709_2592769029308934330_n.jp g?oh=0e4283c8b5e13987106df22dcf5ede22&oe=58BFC490
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15356578_1345401652169011_822280028942271641_n.jpg ?oh=4759e1654364b0f1f620f7d74169c1f5&oe=58F7B915
Mike mounted up a BURRIS XTRII 1-8x this weekend. It worked great and for the price it's even more impressive. Pics taken with an iPhone 7.
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15400345_1354855361223640_1350342027894139489_n.jp g?oh=fea504e7cae09f2d64477eea7eb8e2c8&oe=58F16F78
The RAMs are at 550yds at 1x
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15439915_1354862237889619_7296506340568608749_n.jp g?oh=c05b71af5bd8725a68599ffbd73a722a&oe=58BC4860
Here's the reticle illuminated at 1x
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15541388_1354868891222287_2584442798714742457_n.jp g?oh=813cb7a5c70c6998868bfdda5318b949&oe=58FBCFBC
The RAMs are at 550yds at 8x
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15400443_1354860047889838_5872500662799118920_n.jp g?oh=c301c2253aab5b2861bb2e69b076eb39&oe=58F2C04F
Here's the reticle illuminated at 8x
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15356607_1354868161222360_1002572570307167923_n.jp g?oh=ed93fa83452d0826c3b1aa9173888832&oe=58E7DE6E
A video on the SFP Burris 1-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTFD0ot6SK4[/QUOTE]
I tried to take a quick pic (They are difficult to take the way I did and the glare is with the sun behind me) to compare the Burris XTR II 1-8x24 First Focal Plane vs. Second Focal Plane illumination which isn't the best representation as the SFP is much brighter and easier to pick up to the naked eye and is nearly Aimpoint bright than shows.
FFP
13939
SFP
13940
There's different tiers of Burris, just like there's different tiers of Trijicon or Vortex for example.
I've been slammed the last few days and wanted to post more on this topic. With him only seeing the optic indoors for a short time it could be slightly deceiving but he said the optic didn't wow him anymore than the Burris XTR II 1-8 which is ~40% less retail though the Trijicon does 'seem' more rugged. Now about LPV's in general, let me explain my perspective.
We carry LPV's from the $329 Vortex Strike Eagle, the $1,999 Kahles K16i 1-6 (Still my favorite LPV), $3,300 Minox ZP8 1-8 and many in between. The higher quality 1-6's like the Kahles, Swaro or even the Vortex still look better edge to edge in clarity, flatness of the image and eye box than even the best 1-8's currently on the market.
A few points:
1. Both the Burris XTR II 1-8 and (I believe) Trijicon Accupower 1-8 are made in Japan by Light Optical Works and seem to have similar quality in glass without comparing them side by side.
2. The retail on them is $999.00 for the Burris and ~$1,445.00 for the Trijicon, it's up to the individual to decide if it's worth the extra money.
3. Swarovski who took full control of Kahles lowered the K16i 1-6 this year to $1,999.00 which I feel is the best overall LPV period.
4. I still prefer Second Focal Plane when it comes to LPV's as the reticle on 1 power is too small IMO, Burris gives you the choice of either FFP or SFP while the Trijicon is FFP only. I've only had the Burris 1-8's either in FFP or SFP in stock, never at the same time and prefer the SFP after going back and forth.
5. I also prefer a simple reticle for a LPV and the Trijicon is a little busy from the reticle pics I see.
6. The FFP Burris 1-8 and Trijicon 1-8 illuminated reticle is not as bright as I'd like at 1 power, the SFP Burris is a Red Dot in the center of the cross hair.
7. It's hard to go wrong with the above mentioned Burris, Trijicon, Vortex or Kahles but for my money I'd get a 1-6 Kahles or Vortex over the 1-8 Trijicon or Burris.
I hope this clears up some confusion as I'm trying to answer the phone and emails while getting this posted in a timely manner.
In general, I believe a 6 multiplier will be more forgiving in the eye box than a comparable scope with an 8 multiplier. And I'm glad that even I can help someone learn when I'm learning as well :cool:
A review from our very own Patrick E Kelley
http://blog.defenderoutdoors.com/the-new-burris-1-8x-xtrii-versatility-in-a-34mm-tube/
Check out the Burris Optics Company XTR II 1-8x24mm w/ Illum Ballistic Circle Dot Front Focal Plane! MAP is $999.00 Call us at 916.670.1103 for Pistol-Forum pricing:
https://www.cstactical.com/burris-xtr-ii-1-8x24mm-w/-illum-ballistic-circle-dot-ffp.aspx
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15317958_1345400665502443_2794314741052601887_n.jp g?oh=31955c2b79bf530bfdc59c95708b2951&oe=58B4BB14
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15400927_1345401338835709_2592769029308934330_n.jp g?oh=0e4283c8b5e13987106df22dcf5ede22&oe=58BFC490
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15356578_1345401652169011_822280028942271641_n.jpg ?oh=4759e1654364b0f1f620f7d74169c1f5&oe=58F7B915
Mike mounted up a BURRIS XTRII 1-8x this weekend. It worked great and for the price it's even more impressive. Pics taken with an iPhone 7.
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15400345_1354855361223640_1350342027894139489_n.jp g?oh=fea504e7cae09f2d64477eea7eb8e2c8&oe=58F16F78
The RAMs are at 550yds at 1x
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15439915_1354862237889619_7296506340568608749_n.jp g?oh=c05b71af5bd8725a68599ffbd73a722a&oe=58BC4860
Here's the reticle illuminated at 1x
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15541388_1354868891222287_2584442798714742457_n.jp g?oh=813cb7a5c70c6998868bfdda5318b949&oe=58FBCFBC
The RAMs are at 550yds at 8x
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15400443_1354860047889838_5872500662799118920_n.jp g?oh=c301c2253aab5b2861bb2e69b076eb39&oe=58F2C04F
Here's the reticle illuminated at 8x
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15356607_1354868161222360_1002572570307167923_n.jp g?oh=ed93fa83452d0826c3b1aa9173888832&oe=58E7DE6E
A video on the SFP Burris 1-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTFD0ot6SK4[/QUOTE]
I tried to take a quick pic (They are difficult to take the way I did and the glare is with the sun behind me) to compare the Burris XTR II 1-8x24 First Focal Plane vs. Second Focal Plane illumination which isn't the best representation as the SFP is much brighter and easier to pick up to the naked eye and is nearly Aimpoint bright than shows.
FFP
13939
SFP
13940
There's different tiers of Burris, just like there's different tiers of Trijicon or Vortex for example.
I've been slammed the last few days and wanted to post more on this topic. With him only seeing the optic indoors for a short time it could be slightly deceiving but he said the optic didn't wow him anymore than the Burris XTR II 1-8 which is ~40% less retail though the Trijicon does 'seem' more rugged. Now about LPV's in general, let me explain my perspective.
We carry LPV's from the $329 Vortex Strike Eagle, the $1,999 Kahles K16i 1-6 (Still my favorite LPV), $3,300 Minox ZP8 1-8 and many in between. The higher quality 1-6's like the Kahles, Swaro or even the Vortex still look better edge to edge in clarity, flatness of the image and eye box than even the best 1-8's currently on the market.
A few points:
1. Both the Burris XTR II 1-8 and (I believe) Trijicon Accupower 1-8 are made in Japan by Light Optical Works and seem to have similar quality in glass without comparing them side by side.
2. The retail on them is $999.00 for the Burris and ~$1,445.00 for the Trijicon, it's up to the individual to decide if it's worth the extra money.
3. Swarovski who took full control of Kahles lowered the K16i 1-6 this year to $1,999.00 which I feel is the best overall LPV period.
4. I still prefer Second Focal Plane when it comes to LPV's as the reticle on 1 power is too small IMO, Burris gives you the choice of either FFP or SFP while the Trijicon is FFP only. I've only had the Burris 1-8's either in FFP or SFP in stock, never at the same time and prefer the SFP after going back and forth.
5. I also prefer a simple reticle for a LPV and the Trijicon is a little busy from the reticle pics I see.
6. The FFP Burris 1-8 and Trijicon 1-8 illuminated reticle is not as bright as I'd like at 1 power, the SFP Burris is a Red Dot in the center of the cross hair.
7. It's hard to go wrong with the above mentioned Burris, Trijicon, Vortex or Kahles but for my money I'd get a 1-6 Kahles or Vortex over the 1-8 Trijicon or Burris.
I hope this clears up some confusion as I'm trying to answer the phone and emails while getting this posted in a timely manner.
In general, I believe a 6 multiplier will be more forgiving in the eye box than a comparable scope with an 8 multiplier. And I'm glad that even I can help someone learn when I'm learning as well :cool: