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Who has a sidecar for a G19 or 17? I know they have been unfavorably reviewed here before, but I'm curious to try one. They don't even make them for my preferred set up, so I assure you, I'm not looking to switch. Just want to be able to give an informed opinion about it when people ask me.
I have tried one. It looked like I had a phone book shoved down my pants. It's comfortable to wear because it rides so high but it wasn't a concealment holster, at least for me. I'm pretty slim as well.
IMO it has potential but the design is poor. One of the clips rests right on the mag pouch and the clip alone prints too much for me.
It has a very high ride height and because of this it likes to tilt away from the body.
I'm not a holster expert. I've tried quite a few of jmck offerings, a ccc and a dark star gear. They were all leaps and bounds ahead of the sidecar in concealment.
It seems like the holster works really well for a specific body type (like the creators) but it didn't work for me.
Just one mans experience. Also another thing I didn't like was they have a zero return policy. If it prints too much or doesn't work for your body you're out of luck. Also no changing orders at any time.
ETA: I looked like these guys. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170204/8d99e1eb06ed6b0bc8157cd7d8878d22.jpg
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Gray222
02-04-2017, 05:43 PM
Just an FYI, any and all bad press about their products will be met with instant hate from several of their people.
There was a post on a big forum regarding the sidecar breaking in half due to fof type of use when the holster first came out from them and they attacked the poor guy relentlessly. The thread got locked it was bad. On IG they will block anyone who speaks poorly of them or their holster.
That's par for course with any company that makes junk and can't back up their products.
Post your impression, as I've been offered the holster from several people and turned it down, I can see the issues and I don't even want to try it.
orionz06
02-04-2017, 06:10 PM
Just an FYI, any and all bad press about their products will be met with instant hate from several of their people.
There was a post on a big forum regarding the sidecar breaking in half due to fof type of use when the holster first came out from them and they attacked the poor guy relentlessly. The thread got locked it was bad. On IG they will block anyone who speaks poorly of them or their holster.
That's par for course with any company that makes junk and can't back up their products.
Post your impression, as I've been offered the holster from several people and turned it down, I can see the issues and I don't even want to try it.
Link?
Gray222
02-04-2017, 06:18 PM
Link?
Deleted. Wish I saved a screen shot.
I have one for a 17. I haven't used it or even tried it on. I can send it to you. I'll put in in the mail on Monday.
Thanks dude! I'll keep it nice and send it back before too long. Especially if it makes me look like those guys in the picture.
gskip
02-06-2017, 03:57 PM
I have the sidecar and it works very well for my body type. I have zero issues printing, but I also have a buddy with one where it prints something awful and he hates his.
I also have two of their OWB holsters that I use for USPSA cause I like the fact that they can use Safariland mounts. I like the fact that I can use their holster with my RMR'ed glock.
I like their stuff. Even if Lucas is a little bit of a tard.
Hot Sauce
02-06-2017, 05:31 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170204/8d99e1eb06ed6b0bc8157cd7d8878d22.jpg
Wow. Besides for 1-2 of them, they are all printing something fierce. Doesn't necessarily look like a gun, but definitely like they just shoplifted half of aisle 4.
rictodd
02-06-2017, 06:25 PM
I tried one of their regular IWB holsters a year or so back and was really unimpressed with the fit/finish, ridiculous ride height, and decidedly ambiguous retention.
El Cid
02-06-2017, 07:58 PM
Wow. Besides for 1-2 of them, they are all printing something fierce. Doesn't necessarily look like a gun, but definitely like they just shoplifted half of aisle 4.
I've run into people who are so sold on AIWB that I think they pretend they aren't printing when I know they can see it in their peripheral vision... while looking up... in the dark...
Norville
02-06-2017, 08:13 PM
I have one. It has some odd sharp corners and does not reek of craftsmanship. Once I rounded some edges and lowered the ride height it hides pretty well for me. The problem is I cannot take a leak with it on which pretty much precludes wearing it for anything more than a quick trip to the store, before coffee.
GabeNew
02-07-2017, 08:31 AM
I have one. It has some odd sharp corners and does not reek of craftsmanship. Once I rounded some edges and lowered the ride height it hides pretty well for me. The problem is I cannot take a leak with it on which pretty much precludes wearing it for anything more than a quick trip to the store, before coffee.
Interesting. I have a different make of that style and can use a urinal with no problem.
Irelander
02-07-2017, 10:24 AM
I've been wanting to try a holster like this (not from TRex). But the clip for the mag being right on top of the mag always seemed like a bad idea.
Interesting. I have a different make of that style and can use a urinal with no problem.
Gabe,
What are your thoughts on putting the clip for the mag either on the outside edge of the mag pouch or between the pistol and mag?
Hizzie
02-07-2017, 10:39 AM
Who has a sidecar for a G19 or 17? I know they have been unfavorably reviewed here before, but I'm curious to try one. They don't even make them for my preferred set up, so I assure you, I'm not looking to switch. Just want to be able to give an informed opinion about it when people ask me.
I have one. Wanna borrow it?
Mirolynmonbro
02-07-2017, 12:15 PM
The "sidecar" rig from alpha concealment is made a little differently and the mag side belt clip is to the side of it
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Reekus
02-07-2017, 02:43 PM
I used one for a very short period of time and can attest to what others have said: poor overall quality (especially for the price), the ride height is too high, retention isnt really a thing, and the design is prone to cracking (mine did). My biggest beef with the design as a whole is the fact that you cant make adjustments to placement. You're stuck with the gun/magazine duo being in that exact spot. I'm sure it can work for some, but I'm a taller, slim/fit guy and it just plain didnt work out like others have (CCC, JM, CNC). I think it was Tier1Concealed who makes a similar design that incorporates a flexible piece between the gun and the magazine that is also detachable. I'd try that design before this one. Unrelated to the product but I really lost hope on the company after seeing what they've become on instagram/social media.
GabeNew
02-07-2017, 10:39 PM
I've been wanting to try a holster like this (not from TRex). But the clip for the mag being right on top of the mag always seemed like a bad idea.
Gabe,
What are your thoughts on putting the clip for the mag either on the outside edge of the mag pouch or between the pistol and mag?
I put holes in the middle for that reason. It's not ideal, because the button for the pants often makes it bulge slightly. 1/2" can make it or break it for some of us. Can't really go out any farther with a clip, because it requires leaving material that would rub your leg. I do it with the strut and loop, because the loop doesn't have to ride at the same angle as the strut.
vcdgrips
02-08-2017, 12:15 PM
Printing like Guttenberg's Press!!!
Irelander
02-08-2017, 12:30 PM
flexible piece between the gun and the magazine
I was just thinking that would be a good idea.
I was just thinking that would be a good idea.
Or maybe it's just better to keep the pistol and magazines separate?
Seems like this is reinventing the wheel, making something for the sake of selling something, not because it brings something better to the market.
Given what people are saying re the quality of the product and customer service, this kinda makes sense to me, that said, I haven't used one to know if it is the next best thing since sliced bread.
orionz06
02-08-2017, 01:19 PM
Or maybe it's just better to keep the pistol and magazines separate?
Seems like this is reinventing the wheel, making something for the sake of selling something, not because it brings something better to the market.
This.
What started as one brands product is now attributed to someone else and made in a manner that draws question. Improvements made to it still carry the same limitations and still trace back to the initial concept... selling the customer more than one item and charging more.
Maybe I should sell a holster and mag combo tethered to each other with paracord and charge even more for pouch location flexibility it offers.
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I know you are looking for one to test and not for a review, but the Raptor or whatever AIWB I had from them was absolutely terrible. Ride height was insane
Maybe I should sell a holster and mag combo tethered to each other with paracord and charge even more for pouch location flexibility it offers
As long as it's tactical paracord, cos you know, that 3mm stuff that REI sells maybe stronger and cheaper but it ain't tactical
Irelander
02-08-2017, 02:21 PM
The T-Rex website shows the owner wearing their Sidecar holster and he makes it look like a really good idea. But I am guess they are made to fit his body type and clearly they don't work well with most other body types. I have issues with hot spots at the muzzle of some AIWB holsters and my thought was that maybe having the mag pouch incorporated into the holster would spread the pressure over a bigger area and eliminate a small pressure point. But I think the general consensus is that there is no great benefit to attaching the mag pouch to the holster and they seem to only function well with a very small percentage of users. Also I am still confused about how one goes about maneuvering a "sidecar" holster in bathroom situations.
orionz06
02-08-2017, 02:23 PM
The attached mag does not spread the force over a different area, it changes the contact points and in some ways imparts new, greater, forces into the pelvic region.
They do happen to work for Lucas shaped people very well though.
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Warped Mindless
02-08-2017, 05:26 PM
I know you are looking for one to test and not for a review, but the Raptor or whatever AIWB I had from them was absolutely terrible. Ride height was insane
Agreed. I too have that AIWB Raptor and it prints like crazy. On the plus side, its very comfortable when driving and fast to draw from. I keep it in my car now and for really long car trips I'll use it for the trip duration. I also find that it conceals decently under a fleece or hoodie but no where near as good as it should and not under a shirt. I let my buddy try it and he felt the same way.
That said, some people really love them. :confused:
They do happen to work for Lucas shaped people very well though.
Im Lucas shape and it doesn't work for me very well.
orionz06
02-08-2017, 06:55 PM
Im Lucas shape and it doesn't work for me very well.
I tried! I don't wanna trash the guys stuff, he's making good money selling them and the standard response to me would be that I was jealous. They do work for some people but it's becoming a smaller and smaller group it seems.
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Gray222
02-08-2017, 07:12 PM
I tried! I don't wanna trash the guys stuff, he's making good money selling them and the standard response to me would be that I was jealous. They do work for some people but it's becoming a smaller and smaller group it seems.
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Telling the truth isn't trashing.
Warped Mindless
02-08-2017, 09:07 PM
I tried! I don't wanna trash the guys stuff, he's making good money selling them and the standard response to me would be that I was jealous. They do work for some people but it's becoming a smaller and smaller group it seems.
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To be fair my cousin has the trex arms sidecar rig and does like it. It still prints more than it should be he doesnt care and most people dont notice. Most of my friends who have tried T rex holsters arent fans though. Concealment aside, the "claw" attachment needs to bend in a 90 degree angle in my opinion as it doesn't put against the belt enough with its current angle. The claw/wing on JMCK and other alike holsters is much better. The fit and finish is just lacking a bit too IMO.
My Gcode Incog is still my favorite.
I have one. Wanna borrow it?
Thanks dude, which one is it for? Tom was kind enough (or mean enough, I haven't decided yet) to send me one for the g17.
So, Tom sent me a NIB Sidecar for the G17. I thought we were friends, but apparently not. :-)
First the bad. Then the good. Or vice versa, I'm not sure.
In some kind of reverse marketing scheme, the picture shown above, presumably with guys who are invested in the holster, use it and like it, certainly shows you what you need to know about the concealability. I'm sure there are people out there who can conceal a Deagle in it, but, I can only reasonably conceal a G26 in it. Not well, just reasonably. The holster was clearly not designed by professionals, for professionals. What I mean by that is that IF it conceals for you (or maybe not), and you like clip on holsters for a quick run to the mini mart on the corner, than this might be for you. Those of us who actually carry a serious gun, 16 plus hours a day, will not find favor with this holster. To go to the bathroom, you actually have to take the whole thing off. Since I am only in my office one day out of every 10, I am in public all the time. I have to use Hyvee bathrooms (when I'm lucky!) and the like. How am I going to remove my gun and mag? Hold it the whole time? Kind of dumb, to put it bluntly.
Also, it rides either really high, or really low. Nothing in between for me. It is so high, that I consider it a poor choice from a weapons retention standpoint. That is a fine line for some people, but this one has crossed mine.
So, as a range holster or some kind of extremely part time holster, how does it do?
Well, if I wanted to make instagram videos showing how fast I was, I'd use this holster. It is fast. I can't say more than that, as I'm under the weather and only dry firing it right now. I'll put it on a timer next week and see if I can set a PR. Then I'll get an instagram account. Then the money will start rolling...;-)
Due to the wide, one piece design, and the shirt guards, and the height, this holster is extremely easy to reholster. So easy that you don't need to look and you can slam it back in there. Every time, all the time. BTW, I'm using red guns for that. Fun.
I can't be bothered to look for it, but I think one of its main users actually said that he uses it for the range and carries a traditional IWB behind the hip for actual carry. Again, top of the line reverse marketing.
The construction seems fine, and on par with most other decent kydex.
The "claw" is poor, and should be replaced with the Raven part. A foam wedge would seem to make it more concealable, and I'm playing with that, but I don't want to mess up Tom's holster.
A slight disclaimer, fwiw. Some of you will undoubtedly think that I am biased towards the holsters I have helped with, and am slamming this one since it isn't "mine." All I can say is, not true. Everything either grows and changes, or it dies. The holster I wear everyday uses all the concepts I helped bring about, but it looks and functions very differently than my older holsters. As soon as I find a holster that works better than that one, I will switch to it, regardless of who made it.
Enough people have asked my opinion of the Sidecar, that i thought I should get some time on it. Though my criticism of it may seem harsh, we're not talking about golf clubs here. Despite all that, I like the holster, I really do. Just not for carry, and for me, that's all I need. I don't own range holsters. It is fun and fast to play with. It also has my mind working...
Added on 2/12/17:
I will say that because of the ride height, the Sidecar makes bending over even easier than a normal aiwb holster. I can maintain a full depth squat (butt to heels) with my normal rig, but for people who cannot, the Sidecar may make that easier.
I wanted to see what I was missing in terms of concealment, so I perused youtube for a bit. I found one of the better known users of the sidecar, who seems like a good shooter. He is fast and consistent on video. Nonetheless, his rig prints something fierce. Makes me wonder.
It doesn't belong to me any more. I don't care what you do to/with it as long as it doesn't come back to my house. I'm bagging on the holster, but rather I've got too much stuff and once something I've never used leaves, I'm not allowing it to come back.
If you don't wish to keep it, post it in the Karma section (https://pistol-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?71-Karma) and I'm sure someone here will gladly take it off your hands. :)
:p
Wow, SLG, I GUESS HE ISN'T!!!
Gray222
02-11-2017, 03:50 PM
So what exactly are we going to define as a "range holster" ? - a holster only used for range trips that, otherwise, has no application outside of such an environment?
It doesn't belong to me any more. I don't care what you do to/with it as long as it doesn't come back to my house. I'm bagging on the holster, but rather I've got too much stuff and once something I've never used leaves, I'm not allowing it to come back.
If you don't wish to keep it, post it in the Karma section (https://pistol-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?71-Karma) and I'm sure someone here will gladly take it off your hands. :)
I have been asked about the sidecar a bunch of times, my usual reply is "it's been proven not to work." But of course, if I get it without paying for it I'll be able to put my experience down in a post. *hint hint wink wink nudge nudge*
:p
Wow, SLG, I GUESS HE ISN'T!!!
I'm Tom's dumping ground. Could be worse. :-)
Hizzie
02-11-2017, 04:11 PM
Thanks dude, which one is it for? Tom was kind enough (or mean enough, I haven't decided yet) to send me one for the g17.
Glock 19 RH
Glock 19 RH
Do you think it conceals well? Different from the one I have now, which is from mid 2015 or so?
Hizzie
02-11-2017, 05:23 PM
Do you think it conceals well? Different from the one I have now, which is from mid 2015 or so?
It's ok. Didn't find the right belt to complement it. Lessons learned running the x300u with VG3 make me wish I woulda ordered either love got bearing or G17 version. I have been meaning to give it another go using a SpecOps stretchy belt wear on me instead of pants as a jogging pant/workout short rig.
It's ok. Didn't find the right belt to complement it. Lessons learned running the x300u with VG3 make me wish I woulda ordered either love got bearing or G17 version. I have been meaning to give it another go using a SpecOps stretchy belt wear on me instead of pants as a jogging pant/workout short rig.
Copy. I'll pass fo rnow, but thanks very much for the offer.
Let us know if you get it to work well for you.
Found a guy on Youtube who favors the Sidecar. I definitely consider him a professional, but he works at a range, so my complaints may not be his. He pulled a .53 in one of his videos. No idea about the hit, but that is a fast draw even with no hit! I wish the holster concealed for me, but it just doesn't.
ReverendMeat
02-17-2017, 01:18 AM
Link to video?
Here's a .54 draw from a sidecar. https://www.instagram.com/p/BQeQEOlFtBH/
p/BQeQEOlFtBH
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Gray222
02-17-2017, 06:42 AM
Pulls the trigger at around midway through his extension.
No target either.
Also it's from that weakness position of surrender.
Also it's from that weakness position of surrender.
That's the go to Instagram speed draw.
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orionz06
02-17-2017, 08:13 AM
Here's a .54 draw from a sidecar. https://www.instagram.com/p/BQeQEOlFtBH/
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No two shot videos?
Mirolynmonbro
02-17-2017, 10:59 AM
Looks like his holster was gripping for dear life to his little 1inch fashion belt
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Gray222
02-17-2017, 11:04 AM
How should he be standing then?
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There obviously is no standard way of doing any of this. His stance, hand position and holster setup are all designed for speed but nothing else.
I'd be content with various starting positions, but then there won't be these .5x draws and it wouldn't look good for IG.
orionz06
02-17-2017, 11:42 AM
Half covered... not worth bandwidth.
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blues
02-17-2017, 11:52 AM
Half covered... not worth bandwidth.
This discussion puts me in mind of the film starring Jean-Claude Voo Dooman:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTkwMDYyMDU4MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTUwNTYyMQ@@._ V1_UY268_CR4,0,182,268_AL_.jpg
Now you can understand his aversion to starting in the "surrender" position. ;)
Warped Mindless
02-17-2017, 12:14 PM
I will say that the fastest draw I ever had was from a t rex arms raptor holster. Problem is, it prints like mad crazy.
Mirolynmonbro
02-17-2017, 02:39 PM
Here's an old clip of the trex arms owner drawing #subsecond from various starting positions.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEUkxMWgEVE/
p/BEUkxMWgEVE
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Did this thread turn into Groundhog Day? It seems to have gotten really circular.
blues
02-17-2017, 02:58 PM
Did this thread turn into Groundhog Day? It seems to have gotten really circular.
http://i2.wp.com/lizzyofarabia.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/ham-wheel1.jpg
"What's he trying to say?"
LittleLebowski
02-17-2017, 04:53 PM
T.Rex Arms 3 yard draw from concealment drill thread.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?24373-The-T-Rex-Arms-3yard-concealment-challenge
I bought a Sidecar for my HK45T. I knew I was still fat, but I was losing weight and feeling (overly) optimistic. Also, I wanted to help a business in my state!
This holster is huge! The gun isn't exactly small either.
I never got a chance to try this with the 45 though. Life happened and the HK45T had to be sacrificed.
It does fit the P30 well though! Which is nice, so I have that going for me!
Anyway, I can AIWB pretty much any normal size gun. Even the P30! Just not with this holster. The Sidecar rides high, isn't very comfortable and conceals like a shoebox. It's like a concealment holster designed for fast draw IG competition. Which I am sure this rig excels at.
Anyway, I am donating this holster to a friend of mine who recently started making and selling Kydex holsters. He recognizes the Sidecar for the gimmick it is. Perhaps the hardware and half a sheet of Kydex can be recycled into something useful.
Also, TRex Arms CS was great, until they got my money. After that I guess they don't see the need in talking to you........
Rex G
02-19-2017, 12:31 PM
I just had to see what all the fuss was about, so I found a pre-owned trex Sidecar rig on evil-bay, and ordered it. I have had a difficult time finding an AIWB rig for Glocks* that works for me, so why not give it a try, as I tend toward the slim body style, like the guy who runs trex. (I have an irritable lower bowel, and can puff outward if I eat something that disgrees with my system, or if I internalize stress, or if Jupiter aligns with some freakin' star just right, so what seems to be a Goldilocksian "just right" one day can be not-so-good the next day.)
If nothing else, the trex Sidecar might work well enough, for me, for long-distance driving, under a full-cut hoodie constructed of substantial fabric.
The one I ordered is molded to accomodate an optic, and a Surefire X300-series light, so it will certainly be a tough test for concealability.
*The protruding, blocky rear of a Glock slide is usually what prints most when I try to conceal.
Here's a .54 draw from a sidecar. https://www.instagram.com/p/BQeQEOlFtBH/
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I'm kinda surprised how no one has said anything about how much this thing prints (especially, if I understand things correctly, as this dude appears to have the body shape the Sidecar favours). Odd too how it appears to be hanging forward off his pants. Maybe cos no one was taking it seriously? Maybe my eyes are shot or I haven't had enough coffee? I dunno...
Hot Sauce
02-19-2017, 01:25 PM
I'm kinda surprised how no one has said anything about how much this thing prints (especially, if I understand things correctly, as this dude appears to have the body shape the Sidecar favours)This is exactly what we have said throughout the whole thread, that it is an oxymoron of an AIWB rig because it does not seem to be designed for concealment.
This is exactly what we have said throughout the whole thread, that it is an oxymoron of an AIWB rig because it does not seem to be designed for concealment.
I'm with ya, just talking about the IG video is all :)
GabeNew
02-19-2017, 05:42 PM
I'm kinda surprised how no one has said anything about how much this thing prints (especially, if I understand things correctly, as this dude appears to have the body shape the Sidecar favours). Odd too how it appears to be hanging forward off his pants. Maybe cos no one was taking it seriously? Maybe my eyes are shot or I haven't had enough coffee? I dunno...
I can't say for sure that it's the holster (as it appears to be adjustable for ride height...?) but if you pay attention to all the fast draw wizards who use AIWB you'll notice their holsters are concealed in name only. Instructor Zero uses Bravo Concealment, I think, so take this as an observation of the industry. That's a function of setting it where it's easy to grab. Set up with a claw and wedge to really keep the grip in tight and watch the draw times go up! It's sad how the average viewer can detect speed or the lack thereof, but not notice that the holster is failing in it's first duty.
I can't say for sure that it's the holster (as it appears to be adjustable for ride height...?) but if you pay attention to all the fast draw wizards who use AIWB you'll notice their holsters are concealed in name only. Instructor Zero uses Bravo Concealment, I think, so take this as an observation of the industry. That's a function of setting it where it's easy to grab. Set up with a claw and wedge to really keep the grip in tight and watch the draw times go up! It's sad how the average viewer can detect speed or the lack thereof, but not notice that the holster is failing in it's first duty.
If it's all the same with you, I'm gonna pay no attention to the likes of Instructor Zero ;)
Hot Sauce
02-19-2017, 10:06 PM
I can't say for sure that it's the holster (as it appears to be adjustable for ride height...?) but if you pay attention to all the fast draw wizards who use AIWB you'll notice their holsters are concealed in name only. Instructor Zero uses Bravo Concealment, I think, so take this as an observation of the industry. That's a function of setting it where it's easy to grab. Set up with a claw and wedge to really keep the grip in tight and watch the draw times go up! It's sad how the average viewer can detect speed or the lack thereof, but not notice that the holster is failing in it's first duty.The other Gabe being a bit of an exception, though I don't thing Instagram fame is his main goal in life.
Warped Mindless
02-19-2017, 10:58 PM
Im not sure about the sidecar but my trex arms raptor is not adjustable in either cant or ride height. The claw on it is also useless as the angle isnt aggressive enough. It does make for a darn fast draw though. I use it in the winter when Im wearing a hoodie or fleece. Will still print but im ok with it. Forget about it in a tshirt though.
Why would you be ok with it printing? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of concealed carry?
Warped Mindless
02-20-2017, 06:33 AM
Why would you be ok with it printing? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of concealed carry?
It doesnt print that much in a hoodie. Most people are obvlious and wouldnt notice if I had it out waving it around. Plus I have a permit and printing is not illegal here so I dont worry that much about it.
Rich@CCC
02-20-2017, 10:07 AM
I took one look at these holsters when I first became aware of them and never thought of them again, for all the reasons previously mentioned.
Ironically, at the local gun show this past weekend, someone asked if I could make a holster "just like the TRex Side Car?" I simple told them I would not and pointed them at this thread for the reason. It always sounds like self aggrandizement when a holster maker bashes another maker's products. Even if the bashing is deserved.
blues
02-20-2017, 10:14 AM
I took one look at these holsters when I first became aware of them and never thought of them again, for all the reasons prvious mentioned.
Ironically, at the local gun show this past weekend, someone asked if I could make a holster "just like the TRex Side Car?" I simple told them I would not and pointed them at this thread for the reason. It always sounds like self aggrandizement when a holster maker bashes another maker's products. Even if the bashing is deserved.
That may be true, Rich, but few people know the potential weaknesses of a design as well as other makers and fortunately for us, those who have earned the respect of the members on this site have already proven themselves to not serve petty personal interests.
LittleLebowski
02-20-2017, 10:21 AM
T.Rex Arms 3 yard draw from concealment drill thread.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?24373-The-T-Rex-Arms-3yard-concealment-challenge
I'm not all that compared to many here, but I think that thread proves that you don't need the increased tenth of a second or so speed that the Sidecar offers. I did that cold with my holster I use everyday from real concealment.
orionz06
02-20-2017, 10:23 AM
I can't say for sure that it's the holster (as it appears to be adjustable for ride height...?) but if you pay attention to all the fast draw wizards who use AIWB you'll notice their holsters are concealed in name only. Instructor Zero uses Bravo Concealment, I think, so take this as an observation of the industry. That's a function of setting it where it's easy to grab. Set up with a claw and wedge to really keep the grip in tight and watch the draw times go up! It's sad how the average viewer can detect speed or the lack thereof, but not notice that the holster is failing in it's first duty.
I took one look at these holsters when I first became aware of them and never thought of them again, for all the reasons prvious mentioned.
Ironically, at the local gun show this past weekend, someone asked if I could make a holster "just like the TRex Side Car?" I simple told them I would not and pointed them at this thread for the reason. It always sounds like self aggrandizement when a holster maker bashes another maker's products. Even if the bashing is deserved.
Is three considered a quorum?
blues
02-20-2017, 10:23 AM
I'm not all that compared to many here, but I think that thread proves that you don't need the increased tenth of a second or so speed that the Sidecar offers. I did that cold with my holster I use everyday from real concealment.
With or without a white Russian?
LittleLebowski
02-21-2017, 09:01 AM
With or without a white Russian?
The range is dry, happily I made it through the DTs :)
GabeNew
02-23-2017, 03:09 PM
If it's all the same with you, I'm gonna pay no attention to the likes of Instructor Zero ;)
It is all the same, so carry on. :) Only mentioned him because he's fast, and his pistol prints like crazy... ;)
Mr_White
02-23-2017, 06:12 PM
It is all the same, so carry on. :) Only mentioned him because he's fast, and his pistol prints like crazy... ;)
I like that he picked Puma for his sock holster though.
OK, so, thinking it was some weird Americanism my foreign upbringing had yet to discover, I Googled "sock holster"...
Mr_White
02-23-2017, 06:33 PM
OK, so, thinking it was some weird Americanism my foreign upbringing had yet to discover, I Googled "sock holster"...
Nope, I think Instructor Zero is Italian. But the love of cats and beautiful shoe brands is universal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAuNSw8cFGo
Seems like the thread is coming full circle, don't ya think? ;)
I think it's a great idea to protect the burrow you have between your harms with a sock. What the hell else would you do with a sock?
Wait, don't answer that.
60167
02-25-2017, 01:29 AM
I have a sidecar. It works well enough for me. It's moderately comfortable. It conceals moderately well.
I have a sidecar. It works well enough for me. It's moderately comfortable. It conceals moderately well.
Is it the best thing you've found, or are there reasons you prefer it? What sort of body type do you have?
Casual Friday
02-25-2017, 08:41 AM
I have a sidecar. It works well enough for me. It's moderately comfortable. It conceals moderately well.
64,000 question. With concealment and comfort being two important aspects of an aiwb holster, why would you use one that only performs moderately well in both?
60167
02-25-2017, 11:09 AM
While it's not the most comfortable or concealable holster out there, it's the most comfortable and concealable method of carrying a spare magazine that I've come across.
I could carry LCP in my pocket over my Glock 22/23 and have it be more concealable and comfortable, but everyone has to make concessions somewhere to carry that they seem to be "enough gun" for their perceived needs.
I want to carry enough gun and enough ammo. I'm willing to put up with some level of discomfort to do that conveniently.
60167
02-25-2017, 11:49 AM
14224
I have two sidecars. One is for full sized gun and WML. It came with what in my opinion was a lot of excess kydex on the bottom. I trimmed it up with the dremel and it's a lot more comfortable now. The belt clips are of better quality that what came on my first.
I don't work for trex arms, I don't even own multicam mechanix gloves; but I like the product because it works with my body type. I'd use something else if I come across something better for its intended purpose.
14224
I have two sidecars. One is for full sized gun and WML. It came with what in my opinion was a lot of excess kydex on the bottom. I trimmed it up with the dremel and it's a lot more comfortable now. The belt clips are of better quality that what came on my first.
I don't work for trex arms, I don't even own multicam mechanix gloves; but I like the product because it works with my body type. I'd use something else if I come across something better for its intended purpose.
Try a jmck aiwb holster. It'll change your definition of concealed and comfort.
There's tons of really good purpose built appendix holsters that get nothing but good reviews on here: jmck, dsg, keepers, and ccc are a few. The new mastermind tactics holster seems to be good as well.
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Rex G
02-25-2017, 01:12 PM
Try a jmck aiwb holster. It'll change your definition of concealed and comfort.
There's tons of really good purpose built appendix holsters that get nothing but good reviews on here: jmck, dsg, keepers, and ccc are a few. The new mastermind tactics holster seems to be good as well.
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You have mentioned some very-well-crafted AIWB holsters, but nothing works well for everyone. I could have posted other-than-good review of both CCC and JMCK, plus Fricke and RCS, but I realized that my body is very difficult to fit with an AIWB holster, that will decently conceal a brick, er, I mean Glock, comfortably, with acceptable-to-me access to the grip at the outset of the drawstroke. I am glad that I did keep up the internettin', and kept my mind open, because the JMCK George seems to be the grail I have been seeking.
To be clear, I am not talking trash about the CCC, JMCK, RCS, and Fricke holsters I tried before I received my George. The build quality and materials were excellent. The problem was either comfort or concealability, on my relatvely slim frame. (For reference, on a good day, I can fit into a pair of VertX pants that have a waist size of 32, and I am just under six feet tall. To accomodate IWB rigs, and an occasionally Irritable Bowel, I mostly wear size 34 VertX pants.)
The JMCK George is a Goldilocksian "just right" for me. I am so very glad that I tried the George, after the earlier JMCK AIWB did not work well for me.
Having said that, I just took delivery of my pre-owned Trex Sidecar, and first impressions are good. I will not be using mere T-shirts to conceal it, but I had figured-out that part before buying. Comfort seems quite good; I certainly know it is there, but there are no hot spots, at least when worn short-term, for a few hours at a time. Mine is molded to accommodate a mounted X300U, so if there is a place for a hot spot to develop, it will probably be at that lowest point. Access to the weapon's grip is gloriously excellent; this part I do love.
To be clear, my Trex Arms Sidecar will not be an EDC rig. The JMCK George is better for that purpose. Actually, I almost always carry "primary" at 0300, anyway, because I wear my duty pistol at 0300, and like to keep things consistent, because consistency is good for the default, no-mind draw. AIWB is good for my second gun. We all carry second guns, do we not? ;)
I will probably have to wear a hoodie, some type or vest, or light jacket to thoroughly conceal the Trex Sidecar. That is quite acceptable for such occasions as long drives, such as the weekly trek to see my grandson, or the occasional run westward into central Texas. It also works well under a reflective vest, which I really should be wearing when walking my GSD at night, anyway.
I finally got around to mounting some foam on the back of my Sidecar that Tom graciously donated. It conceals much better now, no surprise there. It seems to be a slower, harder to clear the shirt draw than it was before, but probably not any different than a normal aiwb holster.
So, the foam did not end up working as well as I would like and I took it off.
I did find a good use for the holster though. When I wear drawstring pj's around the house, it is hard to carry any gun since the weight drags that area down, and does not support the gun well.
With the T rex, the weight seems to carry much better. I assume that is due to the much wider footprint.
For now, the T rex and G26 are doing a good job for my laze around the house attire.
blues
03-05-2017, 10:16 AM
So, the foam did not end up working as well as I would like and I took it off.
I did find a good use for the holster though. When I wear drawstring pj's around the house, it is hard to carry any gun since the weight drags that area down, and does not support the gun well.
With the T rex, the weight seems to carry much better. I assume that is due to the much wider footprint.
For now, the T rex and G26 are doing a good job for my laze around the house attire.
I think this opens the door for a cottage industry of SLG™, (Sleep Like a G-Man™), tactical lounging and sleepwear.
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"I feel better knowing that my family and my jewels are protected with SLG™!"
Last (I hope) comment on the T rex. If the holster half had more bend away from the mag half, it would work better for me.
I really do want to like this holster, though I'm not sure why since it mostly doesn't work for me.
Another maker asked me to try his version out and that will likely be here this week. It has a removable mag pouch, so maybe the angle is better or more adaptable.
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