SIRT Pistol vs. Laserlyte cartridges

[43Under]

Hi all,

First, I beg everyone's pardon if this is the wrong forum. It's a topic that didn't seem to fit into any ONE subforum.

I've got a red-red SIRT gun and like it a lot, but it comes with an assortment of shortcomings:

1. Shaped more like a G17 than G19 (I use my G19s a LOT more than my sole G17)
2. Sights not the same
3. Trigger pull not the same
4. No recoil
5. Lighter weight

I am considering getting a laser sensitive target that would give me draw-to-first-shot times in the comfort of my home (ranges near me suck for doing draw-fire work), and am considering going with a Laserlyte cartridge which, if they work correctly, will help me deal with all but issue #4 above.

Do these work? I don't want to rely strictly on Amazon reviews for this. Is there a better alternative?

Any information appreciated. Thanks!

[HopetonBrown]

Get a shot timer, use progressively shorter par times, confirm your shot with a sight picture.

[Joe in PNG]

I've got a Beretta 92 D set up as a dry fire gun with a Laserlyte cartridge. No problems so far after lots and lots of use.
One nice thing is that it's a good way to verify you don't have a live round in the chamber. Before each round of dry fire, I lock the slide open and push the little microswitch. The laser's there, I'm good to go.

[TAZ]

The cartridges can be hit or miss. I had one that was pretty far off center and then I had one that was perfect. If you get one that is centered they can be fun.

Thought the SIRT came with a weighted mag to increase the weight. Your dry fire gun will weigh less as well unless you buy a blue mag.

[Gater]

No experience with the SIRTs, but I've found the Laserlyte training cartridge a useful tool (within the limitations of dry fire) for the role 43 is looking at. Mine has been pretty good reliability-wise over a high rep count, but a teammate did have TAZ's experience of a wildly inaccurate one. My primary pistols are all 9x19, so it is nice to be able to move it between weapons. I use it paired with a Roger's Tap Rack Training aid frequently, but TAZ's comment on weighted mags is on the money. I'll also second Joe's safety protocol: I do the same thing before a dry fire session. Biggest downside to using the Laserlyte for me is that it can lead to you looking over your sights for the laser splash if you get slack. I've found that using one of the laser targets (the "Reaction Tyme", in my case) helps with that.

[GyroF-16]

+1 for what Gater said. I've had very good results with a Laserlyte cartridge (in 9 and .40) and Reaction Time targets. Best dryfiring tools I've found yet.

Gyro

[Gray222]

Picked up a laserlyte cartridge.

Seems to work well enough.

I've read online before ordering that it doesn't always zero properly in each barrel (specs etc) and since I have various barrels from different companies I can clearly see what they mean.

[43Under]

Thanks for all the info.

But have a SIRT but am interested in the cartridge so I could use my sights with my length pistol and my trigger feel. And I definitely have in mind a laser sensitive target so I'm not looking for splash instead of my sights. I currently use my SIRT to shoot at spotlight bulbs. They light up when you hit them which is pretty obvious so you don't have to look for the splash, as the red-lit bulb is pretty obvious in your distance periphery, if you will.

Maybe I'll give the cartridge a try.

[TAZ]

Was thinking more about the cartridge angle and the issue of some not being true bore sights due tolerance issues and what not. Remembered having a cartridge from a company called SureStrike (I think they call themselves Laser Ammo). Same principle as the LaserLyte cartridge, but it had a rod that went through the entire bore with a screw on orange tip. Tip was coned so it would center the cartridge a bit better. No idea if the new names are the same as the unit I tried though so YMMV.

[BJXDS]

you may want to look at ITarget pro. A cartridge of various calibers with an app on your iphone, may have one for android as well.

[Drang]

you may want to look at ITarget pro. A cartridge of various calibers with an app on your iphone, may have one for android as well.

iTarget | iTargetPro (Laser Firearm Training System) Shoot Your Gun in the House (https://www.itargetpro.com/)

[Cory]

I don't have either, but have looked at both. I think the SIRT has more advantages. The repeatable trigger is a huge plus to the SIRT that I feel like makes it almost invaluable. I hope to get one eventually.

With a metal slide SIRT you can change the sights, correct? Other than that a G17R with laser cartridge might be best. But the cost is insane.

-Cory

[BaiHu]

Maybe 'I'm doing it wrong' and maybe I already posted this somewhere else, but I just got a SIRT (Instructor Package with 2 plastic and 1 metal) and I don't like it that much.

Sure, it's great for FoF or some trigger presses around the house when you don't want to get your heater unloaded, etc. BUT, the trigger sucks if you're using a Glock. It's not the same grip. It's obviously not the same sight picture. If I were to go back again, I'd spend ~100 getting a really good laserlyte 9mm round and rock my Glock. Sure, I can't do follow up shots easily, but the practice just isn't the same and the price is only worth it if you intend on using it for FoF. Just some asshole's opinion.

[octagon]

Maybe 'I'm doing it wrong' and maybe I already posted this somewhere else, but I just got a SIRT (Instructor Package with 2 plastic and 1 metal) and I don't like it that much.

Sure, it's great for FoF or some trigger presses around the house when you don't want to get your heater unloaded, etc. BUT, the trigger sucks if you're using a Glock. It's not the same grip. It's obviously not the same sight picture. If I were to go back again, I'd spend ~100 getting a really good laserlyte 9mm round and rock my Glock. Sure, I can't do follow up shots easily, but the practice just isn't the same and the price is only worth it if you intend on using it for FoF. Just some asshole's opinion.

I have been contemplating this type of near future buy and leaning toward the laserlyte cartridge over the SIRT for similar reason as I think using the same trigger(weight,length of pull,take up,overtravel etc..) and same sights is better than just reset. That and the fact that the SIRT is more expensive.

I am confused with the Force on Force use of the SIRT. Are you referring to using the SIRT with a Stress Vest type system or just laser to indicate hits on a human adversary in a training simulation? I always considered FoF as some type of projectile safe for use against a person such as simunitions,or airsoft. However StressVest systems offers pain or physical indication of a hit so I may be behind the times. We used MILES laser based gear with a sound indicating a hit in the Army but no pain penalty.

I like the idea of lasers for FoF better than projectiles as they are safer and need less clean up or protection of the area/people and can be used with no face covering protective mask so facial expression and easier communication can be done more realistically. However the StressVest stuff is crazy expensive. I see someday in the future a system that uses laser for shooting each other in a scenario based training but with the ability to impart varied pain penalty based on location of the hit. Hit high center torso or head/CNS (Central Nervous System) and the wearer would get a full TASER like hit. Hit in the extremities,edge of torso etc the wearer would only get a light zap or vibration. It could be used anywhere at anytime with no safety equipment and no clean-up by just putting on a sensor equipped shirt and pants. I'll wait for that thing to become "affordable" I may only have around 30 more years to live so maybe not in my lifetime.

[BaiHu]

I have been contemplating this type of near future buy and leaning toward the laserlyte cartridge over the SIRT for similar reason as I think using the same trigger(weight,length of pull,take up,overtravel etc..) and same sights is better than just reset. That and the fact that the SIRT is more expensive.

I am confused with the Force on Force use of the SIRT. Are you referring to using the SIRT with a Stress Vest type system or just laser to indicate hits on a human adversary in a training simulation? I always considered FoF as some type of projectile safe for use against a person such as simunitions,or airsoft. However StressVest systems offers pain or physical indication of a hit so I may be behind the times. We used MILES laser based gear with a sound indicating a hit in the Army but no pain penalty.

I like the idea of lasers for FoF better than projectiles as they are safer and need less clean up or protection of the area/people and can be used with no face covering protective mask so facial expression and easier communication can be done more realistically. However the StressVest stuff is crazy expensive. I see someday in the future a system that uses laser for shooting each other in a scenario based training but with the ability to impart varied pain penalty based on location of the hit. Hit high center torso or head/CNS (Central Nervous System) and the wearer would get a full TASER like hit. Hit in the extremities,edge of torso etc the wearer would only get a light zap or vibration. It could be used anywhere at anytime with no safety equipment and no clean-up by just putting on a sensor equipped shirt and pants. I'll wait for that thing to become "affordable" I may only have around 30 more years to live so maybe not in my lifetime.
I'm using the SIRT as a way to deal with martial arts and "the tangle" as I'm not a handgun instructor, LEO or MIL instructor.

As you said, in regards to FoF, it's a useful tool with minimal cleanup, minimal protection needed and minimal cost.

However, when it comes to "dry fire" practice, I think it's inadequate and expensive.

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[Guinnessman]

No SIRT experience here, but my LaserLyte works well. The POI is accurate, and works well in my P30's in LEM, VP9's, and Glocks.

I love the fact that I can get laser feedback on my trigger break on my actual pistols vs. a SIRT.

If they built a SIRT for a P30 or VP9 I would still buy it out of curiosity FWIW.

[octagon]

Update. I received my 9mm laserlyte cartridge and have been using it in my Glock 23 with conversion barrel. POI is good and it has worked flawlessly so far in a few days of dry firing. I can use it mt 22 and 23 with conversion barrels as well as my Glock 43 and Kahr PM9 and CM9 so it is the most universal choice. I also printed out some 1/3 scale IDPA targets from Walt in PAs site so I have a target to shoot on that compares to 1 foot =1 yard for use in the house. It has made dry firing more fun and interesting as well as a better verification of its on target. Thanks to all for the input.

[43Under]

OP here.

I really want to thank everyone who has responded. A lot of good info in this thread. I am starting to view the SIRT as less useful for dry practice and more useful for other things (it was pretty handy to have in the Shivworks AMIS class), so I think I'm going to look at the laserlyte cartridge and then a laser reactive target (so I don't develop bad habits looking for the "hit").

[Gater]

I think you'll get your money's worth out of it (adding an A-zon link below for anyone interested).

https://www.amazon.com/Laserlyte-Laser-Trainer-Cartridge-LT-9/dp/B004NKY23E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488152018&sr=8-1&keywords=laserlyte+lt-9

Chiming in primarily to add two data points: I think I finally smoked the switch in mine. There's a YT vid online with some good info on tightening up the internals, which helped me previously, but in this case it won't work. I'm WAY over the three years/3000 reps warranty (purchased in 2011, and heavily used by me as well as loaned out to several others), so I'm satisfied with the lifespan, since they sell the switch as a replacement part for $10. Hopefully that will fix it. (Bad news is that their shipping rate is obscene)

In perusing Laserlyte's site, I noticed that they have made some changes to their target line, and have discontinued the Reaction Tyme target I mentioned earlier. I don't think they have an equivalent product in their current line up, and the scalpers with inventory have jacked prices up. I wasn't aware of the iTarget trainer mentioned above, but it looks like their "Quick Draw" pay app and target sled might fit the bill as a replacement. Has anyone used it?