Tenicor Holsters and mag pouches

[SLG]

Tenicor, a new company in the kydex holster market, sent me a holster and mag pouch to check out. This was not random, I have known the owner, Jeff Mau, for many years now. When we met, he was building holsters for himself and some friends in his spare time. With the launch of Tenicor, he has moved into the major leagues. He is not hand molding stuff anymore, rather he is producing a limited lineup of things at the highest production quality, using top of the line equipment.

His first commercially available product is a pancake style OWB for the Glocks, as well as a single mag pouch.

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As Jeff well knows, I don't wear my gun or mag pouch in this fashion anymore. I think he sent it to me out of pity;-) Nonetheless, I have been wearing it and playing with it for a while now, and I really like it. The construction on the holster is as good as I have seen, but the design is what really stands out to me. I am a small guy, and holsters that are this big, and take up as much space as this one does, generally don't work for me. They are uncomfortable and don't conceal. Not so with this one, as it is quite comfortable and also conceals. It is also secure, yet very fast.

Just a footnote about Jeff. A couple of years after we met, the SME holster was released. The next SHOT, Jeff showed me a couple of prototype Kydex holsters that used an early, homemade version of the claw that Raven now produces. He was the first person I ever saw to try and replicate the butt tucking wing of the SME, but in kydex. As everyone now knows, kydex is not a great material for that particular application. At the time though, it was cutting edge. I think Jeff was the first to do it, and though they were not super durable, they did work.

I was fortunate to try out some of Jeff's early designs from both before that "kydex SME" and after. Though they were very functional, they were obviously made in his garage. Since he has a full time cool guy job, who can blame him. Tenicor changes all that, and as our other excellent kydex smiths here know, it isn't cheap to invest in the kind of equipment that Tenicor is using.

The mag pouch is also really nice, but I won't say too much about it as I know some changes have already been made. The angle at the top allows for a very nice grasp, and it rides tight to the belt, and at the right height as well.

The Tenicor website is not yet live, but it should be up any day now. If you are looking for these particular designs, you won't go wrong with the Tenicor offerings.

I'm going to ship my sample to a friend who actually carries this way normally, and see what he thinks. He posts here so hopefully he'll update this thread in a few weeks or so.

[Up1911Fan]

Look's a lot like the X-Concealment "C" Series holster. I've used a few of those over the last few years and they work well.

[LittleLebowski]

Tagging in for updates.

[GJM]

I also have this holster and mag pouch and echo what SLG said. Jeff is a thoughtful guy. His products are good now and his offerings will surely continue to evolve.

[DI1]

Jeff is a good guy! He's built some custom holsters for us, well designed and very well made.

[Chipster]

The way that pancake curves it reminds me of the Alabama Holster Company. I always preferred that way to the "wings" bolted to the rivets. Nice looking!

[jeffm]

The website is live. If you're interested feel free to check it out. Thank!

www.tenicor.com

[BobLoblaw]

I'm usually spoken for when it comes to kydex, but I must have that mag pouch.

[blues]

Look's a lot like the X-Concealment "C" Series holster. I've used a few of those over the last few years and they work well.

It does. I'd be interested in knowing what sets it apart, having never owned nor used either one.

[EVP]

Just wanted to bump this thread and ask if anyone has experience with their AIWB holsters?

[orionz06]

I'd buy with confidence. Great stuff, Jeff understands all the little nuances that others miss or neglect, and what I enjoy most is he knows the origins and intents of all this and designs accordingly.

No Lego features, just solid execution.

[Gio]

Just wanted to bump this thread and ask if anyone has experience with their AIWB holsters?

I was visiting SLG earlier this summer and got to try one of the AIWB holsters Jeff had sent him for T&E. It seemed very well made. Concealment wasn't as good as a JM AIWB because the wedge on the back was just too small for me. I would prefer to have a flat back and use a foam wedge rather than a one-size-fits-all design. If you tend to prefer a smaller foam wedge though it may work well for you.

[Poconnor]

Kyle Defoor just posted about tenicor’s AIWB. I’ll have to check these out

[vandal]

I just received the updated version of the AIWB and think it's a great design evolution!

[03RN]

I just posted on arfcom the other day in regards to tenicor. Somebody was praising the company for most innovative holsters or what not. I tend to be very skeptical but after looking at his aiwb design I would try it out if I was in the market for a new one.

The only thing I was hesitant about was an edge that looked like it might cause some chaffing but it would be worth trying.
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[Larry Sellers]

I have one for the 43. It’s fantastic, I’ve got a small foam pad on the way for it to alleviate a bit of a hot spot issue with the built in wedge after 8 or so hours.

The new belt clips are phenomenal, incredibly secure and are designed by a friend who’s passion is metallurgy and is also someone who carries and trains with a pistol frequently.

It’s incredibly adjustable which is what I like about it. The vDev belt works really well with the clips as it makes a minimal belt line bulge.


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[EVP]

I was visiting SLG earlier this summer and got to try one of the AIWB holsters Jeff had sent him for T&E. It seemed very well made. Concealment wasn't as good as a JM AIWB because the wedge on the back was just too small for me. I would prefer to have a flat back and use a foam wedge rather than a one-size-fits-all design. If you tend to prefer a smaller foam wedge though it may work well for you.

Thanks for the info on your experience as that helps me get an idea of what to expect and what route to go with when ordering.


Seems like another good dude/company to support, I am all for that!

[BobLoblaw]

I have one for the 43. It’s fantastic, I’ve got a small foam pad on the way for it to alleviate a bit of a hot spot issue with the built in wedge after 8 or so hours.

The new belt clips are phenomenal, incredibly secure and are designed by a friend who’s passion is metallurgy and is also someone who carries and trains with a pistol frequently.

It’s incredibly adjustable which is what I like about it. The vDev belt works really well with the clips as it makes a minimal belt line bulge.


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I have one for a 43 as well and I’m considering returning it due to the built in wedge (it’s a bit extreme IMO). It digs into your pelvis and tucks in the rear of the holster which causes the dust cover portion of the holster to dig in the crease of your leg. A pad will likely help in comfort but it seem like that will increase the thickness of the holster (which defeats the purpose for carrying a thinner gun) since the wedge is partially overlapping the holster loops. I have more to try before I give up because it is a really cool design and I love the T1 clips.

[Jason M]

I have one for the 43. It’s fantastic, I’ve got a small foam pad on the way for it to alleviate a bit of a hot spot issue with the built in wedge after 8 or so hours.

The new belt clips are phenomenal, incredibly secure and are designed by a friend who’s passion is metallurgy and is also someone who carries and trains with a pistol frequently.

It’s incredibly adjustable which is what I like about it. The vDev belt works really well with the clips as it makes a minimal belt line bulge.


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I have a Velo for the 19 etc... I too get a hot spot from the built in wedge. So much so that after a "try on" I bagged it and listed it for sale. What pad are you using? The velo is very well made and I would like to make it work if at all possible.

[Larry Sellers]

I have a Velo for the 19 etc... I too get a hot spot from the built in wedge. So much so that after a "try on" I bagged it and listed it for sale. What pad are you using? The velo is very well made and I would like to make it work if at all possible.

The vDev Small pad. Paid 10$ for it and it works as advertised.


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[Jason M]

The vDev Small pad. Paid 10$ for it and it works as advertised.


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Thanks! I will give it a go.

[STI]

The only thing I was hesitant about was an edge that looked like it might cause some chaffing but it would be worth trying.
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It digs into your pelvis and tucks in the rear of the holster which causes the dust cover portion of the holster to dig in the crease of your leg.

With where I wear my holster (not Tenicor, but JM Kydex) combined with sitting all day, I have the same issues.

I removed the hardware and with a heat gun and heavy leather gloves, smoothly bent over the kydex layer that's nearer to the body, staying out of the bolt/spacer real estate. Then I glued a couple layers of 1/8 foam over the whole area, including the "wing" my holster has. It made a world of difference and is now all-day comfortable with a G17.

[BobLoblaw]

With where I wear my holster (not Tenicor, but JM Kydex) combined with sitting all day, I have the same issues.

I removed the hardware and with a heat gun and heavy leather gloves, smoothly bent over the kydex layer that's nearer to the body, staying out of the bolt/spacer real estate. Then I glued a couple layers of 1/8 foam over the whole area, including the "wing" my holster has. It made a world of difference and is now all-day comfortable with a G17.

JMCK used to leave extra kydex on the body-side and molded it to cover the hardware gap. It was their standard option prior to the foam wedge revolution. I'm fairly certain you can still order them that way by choosing the custom option.

For the Tenicor, I'm going to try a single attachment next to see if that reduces pressure on the furthest point of the wedge. Truth be told, if I lost about 10 lbs, it might be fine as is but my taco storage facility creates a bit of outward torque and that's a conundrum that I'm not adult enough to confront.

[Bucky]

I like the look of that OWB. So many pancake Kydex OWB holsters are so “busy”.

[Otaku.edc]

I have the 17/34 VELO updated AIWB with the discreet carry concepts hooks. I've been wearing it for about a week and like it. I also put a foam wedge over the build in the wedge (left over foam from a Keeper's holster).

With a 100% lifetime guarantee, give one a try if you are able. If you don't like it, return it.

[jeffm]

Hey guys, thanks for your interest in the VELO. Like anything, I don't expect it will work for everyone. But I am confident that most people who prefer to carry just inside the hip point in the 1 to 1:30 range should find the VELO to work quite well.

- Subtle adjustments as little as 1/8" can make a significant difference in comfort and concealment. I'd encourage everyone to fine tune the ride height with very subtle changes. That is the purpose of the T1 clip.

- Also small adjustments in location along the belt line will make a difference. For a typically pair of jeans the VELO is probably best located by splitting the belt loop in-between the attachments. Body size and variations in pant loop location will effect this.

- If you are getting a hot spot from the wedge point, that means that it is not sitting flat against your lower abdomen. The roundness or flatness of your anatomy will affect how it sits. Again, try moving the holster laterally along the belt line until the wedge sits flat against your body. Additionally, when I put the holster on I usually give the grip a little inward rotation to get everything to line up just right and get the wedge to lay flat.

- As some of you have already found, just because the wedge is molded in doesn't mean you can't add to it. The wedge is intentionally molded to provide medium to low tuck. To modify the wedge, you can simply cushion it slightly with a piece of loop velcro, you can cushion it more and add additional tuck by adding something like the flat foam from VDEV (it works great). or you can go crazy and sculpt and shape a massive wedge to add to the VELO wedge. a few people have done this and it works quite well.

- And of course we do guarantee our stuff. If it breaks (everything does eventually) and you are not satisfied with how long it lasted, we will replace it. If it just doesn't fit right or you decided it was the stupidest holster ever designed by some dumbass that doesn't know anything, then we will take it back and refund your money.

Thanks for your consideration.

[jeffm]

I just posted on arfcom the other day in regards to tenicor. Somebody was praising the company for most innovative holsters or what not. I tend to be very skeptical but after looking at his aiwb design I would try it out if I was in the market for a new one.

The only thing I was hesitant about was an edge that looked like it might cause some chaffing but it would be worth trying.
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The purpose of the profile in the picture is to prevent the problem you are thinking it creates. We did not add material to create the round portion where the screws are. Some holsters cause chaffing because there is too much material (the dotted lines). We have removed as much material as possible (it is harder to manufacture this way) without compromising strength to reduce the foot bring and add comfort.

[philpac33]

I've been using the VELO daily for several months now. I've carried an RMR'd G19.3, a G19.5, and a G17.4 in it with positive results. I ordered all 4 attachment methods to test out- closed soft loops, snap soft loops, metal overhook clips, and plastic clips; Tenicor has upgraded the metal overhook clips with some highly regarded metal clips from Discreet Carry Concepts and I don't see the plastic "Tuff clips" even being offered anymore. Both sets of soft loops work well and is what I was using on my last 2 AIWB holsters (JM Custom Kydex and Raven Eidolon) but the metal clips are what I've had on the last few months; it's quite secure on a 1.5" belt and easy on and off. I plan to try a couple Discreet Carry Concepts models in the near future. The raised section over the trigger guard acts similarly to the Raven claw without the added bulk and the built in wedge does a good job of tucking the grip; no hot spot for me personally but I did recently see some pics of neoprene wedges being added. I'm very happy with my VELO and will continue to wear it for the foreseeable future. I also bought the Tenicor FERO mag pouch but have only used it a half dozen times or so. I do like how it rides high on the belt and the integrated belt loops/slots keep bulk to a minimum. I don't have much need for another OWB pancake holster but I'll have an ARX on my hip before too long. I'm an unabashed Tenicor fanboy.

[808sheriff]

I have a velo for the g43 and g34 length and for my build and type of dress it's the only holster I'm actually able to conceal a g34 with. That coupled with the great customer service from tenicor makes it a winner in my book.

[EVP]

Just wanted to update this thread. I went ahead and purchased a Velo (17/34 length)

Initial impressions are very favorable I will give my feedback after a few weeks of carry. I have used many of the top AIWB out there and so far this one is the most comfortable.

[LittleLebowski]

Might have to grab one of these.

[EVP]

I was visiting SLG earlier this summer and got to try one of the AIWB holsters Jeff had sent him for T&E. It seemed very well made. Concealment wasn't as good as a JM AIWB because the wedge on the back was just too small for me. I would prefer to have a flat back and use a foam wedge rather than a one-size-fits-all design. If you tend to prefer a smaller foam wedge though it may work well for you.

Quick update: I am finding this to be true. This holster is really comfortable to me but it does not conceal as well as other holsters I have used.

Pros:
Excellent build quality
Comfortable
Minimal bulk under trigger guard( lends to comfort and ability to run holster closer to hip/leg crease)
Full sweat guard is nice and provides unimpeded access to grip
Multiple attachment options
Red dot cut is built into it
Retention
Discreet carry concept clips


Cons:
Does not conceal as well as other AIWB holsters I have used in past.
Discreet carry concept clips( no issue with the clips themselves as they are excellent and the lowest profile attachment method I have ever used, it’s how they attach to the holster. Included in the package is vibratite, which is appreciated. But it would be nice if the clip could be tightened down independently of increasing the retention screw. If I back off my renetion to were I want it, the clips will have some play side to side.


With that being said, I like the holster and it has enough potential that I am going to try and work with it.
I am going to try and build up the wedge at the bottom with a comfort pad. I may also experiment with trying to build up the bump that torques the grip more as well. Don’t know how I am going to go about it yet.



There are a lot of subtle details that you see vs other holster. You can tell Tenicor has it down with Glock pistols and a solid design. If Tennicor had a way to modify the bump by the trigger guard to increase tuck or decrease tuck depending on user and also the ability to swap and dial in the muzzle wedge, it would be the one of the most modular holster out there.

Overall I am pleased with it.

[jeffm]

Quick update: I am finding this to be true. This holster is really comfortable to me but it does not conceal as well as other holsters I have used.

Pros:
Excellent build quality
Comfortable
Minimal bulk under trigger guard( lends to comfort and ability to run holster closer to hip/leg crease)
Full sweat guard is nice and provides unimpeded access to grip
Multiple attachment options
Red dot cut is built into it
Retention
Discreet carry concept clips


Cons:
Does not conceal as well as other AIWB holsters I have used in past.
Discreet carry concept clips( no issue with the clips themselves as they are excellent and the lowest profile attachment method I have ever used, it’s how they attach to the holster. Included in the package is vibratite, which is appreciated. But it would be nice if the clip could be tightened down independently of increasing the retention screw. If I back off my renetion to were I want it, the clips will have some play side to side.


With that being said, I like the holster and it has enough potential that I am going to try and work with it.
I am going to try and build up the wedge at the bottom with a comfort pad. I may also experiment with trying to build up the bump that torques the grip more as well. Don’t know how I am going to go about it yet.



There are a lot of subtle details that you see vs other holster. You can tell Tenicor has it down with Glock pistols and a solid design. If Tennicor had a way to modify the bump by the trigger guard to increase tuck or decrease tuck depending on user and also the ability to swap and dial in the muzzle wedge, it would be the one of the most modular holster out there.

Overall I am pleased with it.

Good feedback. Thanks!

The muzzle wedge and trigger guard bar are intentionally cut middle of the road to work with a wide variety of people. The easy solution for more tuck is adding the VDev flat neoprene sponge. it maintains the angle, cushions it a bit, and adds just enough extra tuck to conceal really well if you are looking for more tuck. Of course any flat piece of foam put on the wedge to build it up will also work.

The retention adjustment/clip tightness is a known concern that we are working through. The quick and retrofittable solution is to add a .065 rubber spacer to the .250 that is already there or bump it up to a .375 spacer. Send me an email with your name and address and I will send you two of each to play with. (I am currently tweaking the retention on all of the holsters in the line. Which is kind of a pain the butt, because I have to throw away all the tooling, but it won't be the first time nor the last that everything got sin the garbage, we will keep making changes in search of perfection!)

I am also working a solution for adjustment on the trigger guard bar, very early stages and not sure it is going to work , but it is on my radar.

Thanks!

[theJanitor]

I’ve added a foam wedge to mine. I need to go bigger as my gut overcomes the smallish wedge. But this holster is really well made and thought out. Retention is great. Clips are fantastic too

I would prefer a flat holster that I can add my own wedge to. But no real complaints to far

I use g34 length AIWB rigs, because they contact my tender areas in a better spot than 19/17 holsters.

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[EVP]

Good feedback. Thanks!

The muzzle wedge and trigger guard bar are intentionally cut middle of the road to work with a wide variety of people. The easy solution for more tuck is adding the VDev flat neoprene sponge. it maintains the angle, cushions it a bit, and adds just enough extra tuck to conceal really well if you are looking for more tuck. Of course any flat piece of foam put on the wedge to build it up will also work.

The retention adjustment/clip tightness is a known concern that we are working through. The quick and retrofittable solution is to add a .065 rubber spacer to the .250 that is already there or bump it up to a .375 spacer. Send me an email with your name and address and I will send you two of each to play with. (I am currently tweaking the retention on all of the holsters in the line. Which is kind of a pain the butt, because I have to throw away all the tooling, but it won't be the first time nor the last that everything got sin the garbage, we will keep making changes in search of perfection!)

I am also working a solution for adjustment on the trigger guard bar, very early stages and not sure it is going to work , but it is on my radar.

Thanks!


Thanks Jeff!

I think when I add a flat neoprene cushion to the wedge it will help. I have already experimented with some padding and it seems to do the trick. I am kinda used to doing some tweaking to kydex AIWB holsters in the past to dial them in for me. The holster exudes excellent build quality, is very comfortable, and has some small details that are well executed.

All in all, you got a winner and I look forward seeing what Tennicor continues to do with the Velo.





Janitor- I went with the 17/34 option as well, as it diverts the muzzle away from sensitive bits and makes a straight path to the ground. I also thinks the retention is great. It’s secure and fast. It was one of the first things I noticed.

[theJanitor]

Can someone post a pic of a larger foam pad attached to the holster?
jeffm , make a flat backed one and I would probably buy it again


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[Whiskey_Bravo]

I have been using one of the first generation Velo holsters since they came out. I pretty much unanimously agree with EVP's observations. I bought the 17 length holster and have been using it successfully with a 19/19X/17. Mine was purchased before Discreet Carry Concept clips were an option and I am not a fan of the provided steel clips. I was also told that my generation is compatible with the Mod 4 clips only and not the current DCC clips offered by Tenicor. That's another ~$30 I really don't feel like spending to be honest.

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To help with the comfort factor a bit, I installed a flat foam pad from V Development Group. This was a quick and easy solution that tremendously improved all day comfort with the holster for me. The flat pad is more than sufficient and I can't imagine adding a larger wedge.

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I also have an ARX holster from Tenicor for the 19. It is the single best concealment based OWB holster I have ever owned. That being said, I am finding that the number of times that I need a low profile OWB, without a mounted light, and without a retention system are becoming fewer and farther between.

[drummer]

I've been using my Velo for a couple of months now. I ordered the older version shortly before the offset hole model came out. I like the holster but find that it doesn't conceal as well as I would like. I added a 1/4" neoprene pad from JM Custom that I had sitting around that looks similar to the vDevGroup one. It helps but needs more wedge to tuck the slide in tight. I'm relatively skinny and need more wedge. I didn't find it uncomfortable without the neoprene pad.

The only other issue that I had is minor. I like a fair amount of tension for retention of the pistol. When I crank down on the tension screws, it collapses them enough that they drag on the dust cover of the pistol. It makes the draw definitely not crisp. Keep in mind that it's the old version where the holes are closer to the pistol. I backed off on the tension and tried to file flat spots in the rubber spacers. It's working ok for me now.

What I did like about it was that the belt loops are wide enough to surround a belt loop.

The grip tuck seems to be okay. Overall, I'm mixed on it but went back to an older holster that conceals better with a real wedge.

[Larry Sellers]

I’ve been running mine for about a month now for the 43. The issue I’m running into with the clips is that if I move the holster on the belt line an inch or so either way of “ideal” the hard wedge makes it unbearable to wear for any length of time.

I’m going to order a JM for my 17 with the discreet clips and run it for a bit with the cooler weather approaching and through an AMTAC course next month and see how it goes.

JMHO


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[orionz06]

Good feedback. Thanks!

The muzzle wedge and trigger guard bar are intentionally cut middle of the road to work with a wide variety of people. The easy solution for more tuck is adding the VDev flat neoprene sponge. it maintains the angle, cushions it a bit, and adds just enough extra tuck to conceal really well if you are looking for more tuck. Of course any flat piece of foam put on the wedge to build it up will also work.

The retention adjustment/clip tightness is a known concern that we are working through. The quick and retrofittable solution is to add a .065 rubber spacer to the .250 that is already there or bump it up to a .375 spacer. Send me an email with your name and address and I will send you two of each to play with. (I am currently tweaking the retention on all of the holsters in the line. Which is kind of a pain the butt, because I have to throw away all the tooling, but it won't be the first time nor the last that everything got sin the garbage, we will keep making changes in search of perfection!)

I am also working a solution for adjustment on the trigger guard bar, very early stages and not sure it is going to work , but it is on my radar.

Thanks!

Text inbound. I think there's an easily workable solution for one of these.

[Dismas316]

In looking at this holster, the built in wing looks small to me. With out wearing one, hard to tell. Can anyone comment on their built in style vs a regular claw? My concern is it doesn’t look like it is affective as a wing as the raven or any other claw. Thx

[GuanoLoco]

In looking at this holster, the built in wing looks small to me. With out wearing one, hard to tell. Can anyone comment on their built in style vs a regular claw? My concern is it doesn’t look like it is affective as a wing as the raven or any other claw. Thx

I think this design has the wing positioned much closer to the center of the holster therefore it can be, actually HAS to be a little smaller.

[Keith E.]

I have the 17/34 VELO updated AIWB with the discreet carry concepts hooks. I've been wearing it for about a week and like it. I also put a foam wedge over the build in the wedge (left over foam from a Keeper's holster).

With a 100% lifetime guarantee, give one a try if you are able. If you don't like it, return it.

Will that holster work with a 19?

Thanks,
Keith (Recovering Leather Guy)

[jeffm]

Will that holster work with a 19?

Thanks,
Keith (Recovering Leather Guy)

Yes, they all work with everything from a 26 to a 34. The longer one is flush with a 34 and the shorter with a 17. The placement of the wedge makes anything shorter than a 17 a nonstarter. Thanks!

[Keith E.]

Yes, they all work with everything from a 26 to a 34. The longer one is flush with a 34 and the shorter with a 17. The placement of the wedge makes anything shorter than a 17 a nonstarter. Thanks!

Jeff,

Thanks for following up and thanks to your crew that have been replying to my e-mails. I actually ordered a VELO AIWB this morning.

Keith

[Keith E.]

I order my VELO AIWB on 17Oct18, it's sitting at my house in Eastern North Carolina 22Oct18 @ 1341, excellent. Everything looks and feels good. As of right now I like the pull-the-dot loops but will be giving all attachment methods some time. I'd like to thank Jeff and his crew for some really nice work and great service.

Keith

[JCS]

Any updates from guys running these?
Edit: *the velo*

[jeffhughes]

Any updates from guys running these?
Edit: *the velo*


I like mine a lot I've been running it since August. I used it for a Gabe White class and carry it almost daily. I run it with a flat pad. It conceals better for me than a Phlster Classic(and I like that one a lot too) that I have a DCS clip on and use with the same pad. A holster with a wide profile wing like a JM AIWB 2 or Raven Eidolon conceals better for me, but day in day out I grab the Velo probably 80% of the time. It's a really nice piece.

[Larry T]

I just received mine a few days ago. I'm experimenting with it. I had a spare JMCK flat neoprene wedge I attached and have ordered a JDev pad as well. If you carry at center-line or close like the cool kids, the Velo isn't for you. But if you're like me and carry closer to 1:30ish, it seems to work fine. I got the T1 (Discreet Carry) clips. I'm used to PDT loops, and the clips are very low-profile compared to the loops.

My usual carry is a JMCK AIWB 2.0. If the Velo just equals the JMCK, I'll consider it a home run. I plan on writing a review comparing the Eidolon, JMCK 2.0, and the Velo after I get some experience with the Velo.

[jeffhughes]

I just received mine a few days ago. I'm experimenting with it. I had a spare JMCK flat neoprene wedge I attached and have ordered a JDev pad as well. If you carry at center-line or close like the cool kids, the Velo isn't for you. But if you're like me and carry closer to 1:30ish, it seems to work fine. I got the T1 (Discreet Carry) clips. I'm used to PDT loops, and the clips are very low-profile compared to the loops.

My usual carry is a JMCK AIWB 2.0. If the Velo just equals the JMCK, I'll consider it a home run. I plan on writing a review comparing the Eidolon, JMCK 2.0, and the Velo after I get some experience with the Velo.


Agreed on the 130 thing. I'll try and do a review of those as well, and can add Phlster, Dark Star, and Keepers(I've spent a lot of money on holsters this year, lol) to the mix...

[Larry T]

Agreed on the 130 thing, I'll try and do a review as well, and can add Phlster, Dark Star, and Keepers(I've spent a lot of money on holsters this year, lol) to the mix...

I could add the PHLster Classic as well, but the single loop was a no-go for me for EDC. I still use the Classic when doing neighborhood or longer walks because the hard wedge (Teardrop) is good for when things get sweaty. I haven't had the pleasure of a Dark Star yet but have communicated with them in the past and they were always quick to respond.

[Mike C]

jeffm, I've been using three of your holsters for a bit now and I don't know if it was mentioned to you all but rolling the ends in on the muzzle would make a huge difference. I have noticed even on the shorter holsters, (for example the G43) I still get jabbed up on the inside of my thy, especially if I'm running light shorts without an undergarment. I am also curious as to whether anyone has given though to a flat backed model as GIO has mentioned earlier in the thread. Thanks.

[jeffm]

jeffm, I've been using three of your holsters for a bit now and I don't know if it was mentioned to you all but rolling the ends in on the muzzle would make a huge difference. I have noticed even on the shorter holsters, (for example the G43) I still get jabbed up on the inside of my thy, especially if I'm running light shorts without an undergarment. I am also curious as to whether anyone has given though to a flat backed model as GIO has mentioned earlier in the thread. Thanks.

The bottom of the VELO is intentionally left open so that one can use a muzzle brake or other device with the gun. For the vast majority of people this is not an issue, because the muzzle wedge and not the opening at the muzzle should be in contact with your body. If you are finding something different, than I would try adjusting the placement of the holsters.

If you are trying to find a way to carry a gun comfortably sans skivvies, I got no help for you there. ;-)

We are working on an update to the Certum. With this holster, one will be able to use it for AIWB carry. There will be no wedge and the muzzle end will be profiled. (No timeline or additional information).

Thank!

[jeffm]

I just received mine a few days ago. I'm experimenting with it. I had a spare JMCK flat neoprene wedge I attached and have ordered a JDev pad as well. If you carry at center-line or close like the cool kids, the Velo isn't for you. But if you're like me and carry closer to 1:30ish, it seems to work fine. I got the T1 (Discreet Carry) clips. I'm used to PDT loops, and the clips are very low-profile compared to the loops.

My usual carry is a JMCK AIWB 2.0. If the Velo just equals the JMCK, I'll consider it a home run. I plan on writing a review comparing the Eidolon, JMCK 2.0, and the Velo after I get some experience with the Velo.

👍 The T1s or any of the Discreet Carry Concept clips make PDT loops completely irrelevant. The clips are lower profile, more durable, have better retention, and easier for on and off. Adding 3/8" to 1/2" of girth to your holster with snap loops is a no go if one is serious about concealment.

[Captain]

...and have ordered a JDev pad as well.

My google fu may be off, but I couldn't find anything wiht a search for JDev pad other than a bunch of articles on Java developers... What is this pad you speak of?

[Larry T]

My google fu may be off, but I couldn't find anything wiht a search for JDev pad other than a bunch of articles on Java developers... What is this pad you speak of?www.vdevgru.com. V Development Group. My bad.

[Captain]

Ah! Excellent. Thanks!

[Mike C]

The bottom of the VELO is intentionally left open so that one can use a muzzle brake or other device with the gun. For the vast majority of people this is not an issue, because the muzzle wedge and not the opening at the muzzle should be in contact with your body. If you are finding something different, than I would try adjusting the placement of the holsters.

If you are trying to find a way to carry a gun comfortably sans skivvies, I got no help for you there. ;-)

We are working on an update to the Certum. With this holster, one will be able to use it for AIWB carry. There will be no wedge and the muzzle end will be profiled. (No timeline or additional information).

Thank!

I completely understand the reasoning behind the open end. I'm one of the weirdo's who don't care for the extra length, well I guess it depends on how far inboard towards 12 the gun is carried. I took the time to roll the ends in myself this morning and it is making a large difference for me. Carrying at 1:30 and 1 allows for full contact with the wedge and that isn't the problem. If I carry higher in the belt line concealment greatly diminishes and the wedge then becomes uncomfortable, too low and when seated I get chaffed by the open end, skivvies or not sadly. I'm going to continue to work with it. Discomfort when seated be damned it's still an amazing holster. You can certainly tell a ton of time and effort went into the design.

Side note on the Certum revision are you going to offer it with the ability to use the DCC clips and will it have the belt line wedge setup for medium tuck as the Velo? Thanks.

[jeffm]

I completely understand the reasoning behind the open end. I'm one of the weirdo's who don't care for the extra length, well I guess it depends on how far inboard towards 12 the gun is carried. I took the time to roll the ends in myself this morning and it is making a large difference for me. Carrying at 1:30 and 1 allows for full contact with the wedge and that isn't the problem. If I carry higher in the belt line concealment greatly diminishes and the wedge then becomes uncomfortable, too low and when seated I get chaffed by the open end, skivvies or not sadly. I'm going to continue to work with it. Discomfort when seated be damned it's still an amazing holster. You can certainly tell a ton of time and effort went into the design.

Side note on the Certum revision are you going to offer it with the ability to use the DCC clips and will it have the belt line wedge setup for medium tuck as the Velo? Thanks.

Sorry no more comments for now on the CERTUM updates. I know where I am planning to go, but don't really know where I will end up or how long it will take to get there until we arrive.

[Mike C]

jeffm, thanks for taking the time to share what you did. My interest is definitely piqued. I look forward to seeing and trying what you arrive at.

[23JAZ]

I have one for the 43. It’s fantastic, I’ve got a small foam pad on the way for it to alleviate a bit of a hot spot issue with the built in wedge after 8 or so hours.

The new belt clips are phenomenal, incredibly secure and are designed by a friend who’s passion is metallurgy and is also someone who carries and trains with a pistol frequently.

It’s incredibly adjustable which is what I like about it. The vDev belt works really well with the clips as it makes a minimal belt line bulge.


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Larry,
How does that trigger bar work for tucking the grip of your G43? I know the G43 needs minimal tucking but does it actually work? Also how is the length of the holster, any rolling problems. I'm use to the JMCK "Long" version for my G43.

[Larry Sellers]

Hey brother,if im being perfectly honest after running this holster for s few months I ended up ordering another JMCK aiwb for the 43. It's not that the tenicor isn't a solid holster but for me the hard wedge was a no go even after lengthy days and adding a flat vDev pad.

It did not have an issue tucking the grip as i believe the hard wedge and bar do an adequate job in that arena. I run my 43 with a +2 Vickers extension on the mag and it had no problems tucking the grip in.

Currently I'm using this and it seems to be a little more comfortable and adjustable for my liking



Larry,
How does that trigger bar work for tucking the grip of your G43? I know the G43 needs minimal tucking but does it actually work? Also how is the length of the holster, any rolling problems. I'm use to the JMCK "Long" version for my G43.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181130/0c3f55e00af04781686083684fb504da.jpg

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[JCS]

Larry,
How does that trigger bar work for tucking the grip of your G43? I know the G43 needs minimal tucking but does it actually work? Also how is the length of the holster, any rolling problems. I'm use to the JMCK "Long" version for my G43.

The trigger bar hump provides a pretty good amount of tuck imo. I found it to pull the slide away from my body. I think it provides less bulk to the overall holster footprint than a wing.

The length is very similar to a dsg 43 holster. I did find the tenicor to ride higher than the dsg and a keepers errand.

[dontshakepandas]

The trigger bar hump provides a pretty good amount of tuck imo. I found it to pull the slide away from my body. I think it provides less bulk to the overall holster footprint than a wing.

The length is very similar to a dsg 43 holster. I did find the tenicor to ride higher than the dsg and a keepers errand.

I've found the tuck works great on the 43 and larger Glock holsers as well. Eyeballing it, it looks like the length is a little over an inch longer than the slide.

I haven't noticed it riding higher than the DSG I was using before, but I don't still have it to compare. If you get the DCC clips (you should) the height is pretty adjustable. I had to adjust the holster for my Glock 19 to the hightest setting after coming home from a Keepers Concealment AIWB class with bloody knuckles from my belt.

Overall, I really like both holsters, but if there is ever a version without the molded wedge on the back available I'll probably pick one up. I like the molded wedge on the 43 holster since I use that as a grab and go holster and it is easier to get on and off since it slides better and I don't wear that holster long enough for it to become uncomfortable. On the holster for my 19 it works pretty well but starts to get a little uncomfortable after a long day and I'd probably prefer foam since I'm not as likely to take it on and off.

[23JAZ]

Hey brother,if im being perfectly honest after running this holster for s few months I ended up ordering another JMCK aiwb for the 43. It's not that the tenicor isn't a solid holster but for me the hard wedge was a no go even after lengthy days and adding a flat vDev pad.

It did not have an issue tucking the grip as i believe the hard wedge and bar do an adequate job in that arena. I run my 43 with a +2 Vickers extension on the mag and it had no problems tucking the grip in.

Currently I'm using this and it seems to be a little more comfortable and adjustable for my liking


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Thanks for the info. The Velo checks every box for me but that hard built-in wedge is a no go. I'm of the mindset that if I want a wedge I'll add a foam wedge.