Silly and Ridiculous Guns and Related Products/Gear

[fishing]

ITT : We post wonderfully strange, ridiculous, comical and generally useless guns and related gear we've found on the interwebs.



https://usa.caagearup.com/content/images/thumbs/0000923_roni-civilian-pistol-carbine-conversion-c-g2.jpeg

"RONI® Civilian Pistol Carbine Conversion C-G2 with 16” Barrel"

https://usa.caagearup.com/roni-civilian-pistol-carbine-conversion-c-g2

For Civilians only, so you grubby law enforcement and military types are probably jealous.
If things really go FUBAR, I suppose you could strip the gun and use barrel as a baton?



https://usa.caagearup.com/content/images/thumbs/0001155_zues-shooting-mattress.jpeg
https://usa.caagearup.com/content/images/thumbs/0001140_zues-shooting-mattress.jpeg


"ZUES - Shooting Mattress"

https://usa.caagearup.com/zues-shooting-mat#

It includes a carrying case so I guess it's not a bad deal for $450.
I wonder if they will make a plus sized version for those with a bit more padding.

[YVK]

I am just thinking if the Zues can be used for sex.

[Totem Polar]

^^^With yourself. Frottage style.

[Olim9]

The gadget

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[Glenn E. Meyer]

Without bothering with links - the new 25 ACP handgun that has 6 barrels in hexagonal arrangement that fires two at a them

The Black Powder pocket colt revolver that will now come in 380 (it might be fun).

The Heizer single shot 223s handgun.

The Judge and Governor

The Pedersoli double barrel 45/410 burglar configuration handgun (which looks neat and I want one but it is too expensive - but appeals to my silliness).

[MistWolf]

Glock





....sorry. Couldn't resist

[Glenn E. Meyer]

"ZUES - Shooting Mattress" - soon to be seen on the new Cinemax Outdoor 'sports' channel.

[Eastex]

Without bothering with links - the new 25 ACP handgun that has 6 barrels in hexagonal arrangement that fires two at a them

The Black Powder pocket colt revolver that will now come in 380 (it might be fun).

The Heizer single shot 223s handgun.

The Judge and Governor

The Pedersoli double barrel 45/410 burglar configuration handgun (which looks neat and I want one but it is too expensive - but appeals to my silliness).

Now I'm going to have to look up that Colt revolver! I'll confess that Pedersoli double barrel looks cool to me too but then I've got a soft spot for those Bond Arms 45/.410 derringers too. All of our guns don't have to be serious do they?


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[Glenn E. Meyer]

No - I have a NAA arms 22 S minirevolver as it was cute. I've been drawn to the Bond Arms backup derringer because of my love of Have Gun Will Travel and Yancy Derringer on TV.

There's a new NAA mini type in prototype at SHOT that has an ejector by someone. Saw it on the firearms blog.

[mtnbkr]

While I have no need for it, if someone gave me the Heizer single shot 223 or I was able to buy one for very little (ie less than $100), I'd shoot it just for shits and grins. I like funky guns for their own sake. I have to, I have a bright purple kentucky pistol. :D

Chris

[fishing]

While I have no need for it, if someone gave me the Heizer single shot 223 or I was able to buy one for very little (ie less than $100), I'd shoot it just for shits and grins. I like funky guns for their own sake. I have to, I have a bright purple kentucky pistol. :D

Chris

http://ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/DoubleTap-45ACP-Pistol.jpg

I bought one of these on sale last year for $180 or so.

Dare I say it produces more recoil than the rifle caliber ones (.223 and 7.62x39). LOUD AS HELL too.

fun toy though.

[rob_s]

https://www.hudsonmfg.com/product/

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-m20-1

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-10-c/

http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/vp9/

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p320-nitron-full-size.html

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ar15+pistol

[LOKNLOD]

https://www.hudsonmfg.com/product/

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-m20-1

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-10-c/

http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/vp9/

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p320-nitron-full-size.html

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ar15+pistol

So, All the Glocks that aren't Glocks?

[Eastex]

To me this thing would look like a natural for gangster movies where you're blowing thugs off the running boards of your Model A. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170123/b8fbb6260b07574dcf732879271bbca9.jpg


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[Drang]

To me this thing would look like a natural for gangster movies where you're blowing thugs off the running boards of your Model A. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170123/b8fbb6260b07574dcf732879271bbca9.jpg
Well, it was designed for shooting tigers off of your elephant, so...

[Lex Luthier]

Well, it was designed for shooting tigers off of your elephant, so...

Seems downright civilized compared to the original 10-bore ones. How effective is a 410 slug on raccoons or possums?

[TDA]

I guess that's awesome in a sad retrograde way, but can you even muzzle strike with that little guy?

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[Sigfan26]

Seems downright civilized compared to the original 10-bore ones. How effective is a 410 slug on raccoons or possums?

http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/hand-guns/specialty-hand-guns/howdah-hunter.html
The new one looks more like an Ithaca Auto/Burglar


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[xray 99]

^^^With yourself. Frottage style.

Frottage. Haven't seen that word since my probation/parole officer days.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I used to mention it when I taught the DSM in class. I guess the that shooting gadget mat might be an example of a frottage industry?

[Olim9]

https://www.hudsonmfg.com/product/

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-m20-1

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-10-c/

http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/vp9/

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p320-nitron-full-size.html



Throw in the Beretta APX in there as well. Getting tired of these "me too" striker fired guns in the recent times. :mad::mad:

[orionz06]

https://www.hudsonmfg.com/product/
It's neat... Not sure on the why to the opposition. Proof of concept shows validity but that's the engineer in me speaking and wanting to see someone make something new, not give in to Glock.





https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-m20-1

How is fixing their product and improving aspects on this list?





http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-10-c/

Lost me here....




http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/vp9/

Still lost....



https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p320-nitron-full-size.html


Quite promising and with subtle tweaks a real contender. They don't suck. They're not stuck in 1985.



http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ar15+pistol

I actually have one in 300WTF... It's neat for a niche thing.

















I'm curious on your list though. Any elaboration would be cool.

[mtnbkr]

To me this thing would look like a natural for gangster movies where you're blowing thugs off the running boards of your Model A.

Phrasing!

Chris

[archangel]

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/blackhawk-serpa-cqc-taurus-judge-25-cylinder-holster-right-hand-black-matte-finish-410540bk-r-648018116841.do

[Jason M]

In this case, a picture is worth at least a thousand words....
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[SecondsCount]

Throw in the Beretta APX in there as well. Getting tired of these "me too" striker fired guns in the recent times. :mad::mad:

LOL. I hope you realize that Glock did not invent the semi-auto or the striker, use of the polymer frame, or the Browning barrel lock up design, as well as a mechanism to send empty brass in the direction of the shooters face??

[SecondsCount]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--EUBnJnih--/1427478865832748948.jpg

[MistWolf]

To me this thing would look like a natural for gangster movies where you're blowing thugs off the running boards of your Model A. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170123/b8fbb6260b07574dcf732879271bbca9.jpg


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Pfththpth! Real Howda pistols are 4 bores

[Malamute]

It's neat... Not sure on the why to the opposition. Proof of concept shows validity but that's the engineer in me speaking and wanting to see someone make something new, not give in to Glock.


How is fixing their product and improving aspects on this list?


Lost me here....


Still lost....


Quite promising and with subtle tweaks a real contender. They don't suck. They're not stuck in 1985.


I actually have one in 300WTF... It's neat for a niche thing.


I'm curious on your list though. Any elaboration would be cool.


I was genuinely curious about a comment he made on PCCs, but only got a snarky retort.

[blues]

I was genuinely curious about a comment he made on PCCs, but only got a snarky retort.

I'd consider it a badge of honor. (I have also been a recipient in the past so I'll consider myself in good company.)

[LOKNLOD]

In this case, a picture is worth at least a thousand words....
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Because the only thing that makes less sense than a pistol bayonet is a blunt pistol bayonet.

[rob_s]

It's neat... Not sure on the why to the opposition. Proof of concept shows validity but that's the engineer in me speaking and wanting to see someone make something new, not give in to Glock.





How is fixing their product and improving aspects on this list?






Lost me here....




Still lost....




Quite promising and with subtle tweaks a real contender. They don't suck. They're not stuck in 1985.



I actually have one in 300WTF... It's neat for a niche thing.



I'm curious on your list though. Any elaboration would be cool.

As someone who spent a lot of time, and money, chasing around after new hotness and niche things, I realized it was all basically a waste of money and time.

None of the guns listed are markedly better than what they are trying to replace. Some may have a slight advantage here, or a minor benefit there, but none put it all together in a package that puts one gun over the top. In fact, I'm somewhat surprised that on a site that purports to be more about software than hardware so many people are so hell bent on being intentionally anachronistic and trying to get ahead of the next trend for no other reason than to say they did that they're missing the forest for the trees and chasing around after a "better" that doesn't exist at worst, and doesn't matter at best.

I used to get excited about new this and (allegedly) innovative that, but at the end of over two decades of chasing around I'm still back at the same Glock 19 and the same 16" (or nearly so, since the AWB only sunset 12 years ago) AR in 5.56 that I started with.

What I've come to realize is that whatever problem you've got that needs solving with a gun, the 98% answer already exists on the market. All these guys are busy chasing incremental improvements, and ultimately failing. In that same 20 year span there has been virtually zero in the way of true, leap-frog innovation, and even if we add up the incremental innovation we still haven't really gotten anywhere significant.

But I get that most guys are into guns first and reasons for guns second, since I was that way for a long time, and I get that if nobody comes out with new-new-hotness then there's nothing more to discuss on the internet. I also get that guns attract enginerds, and enginerds like engineering, regardless of whether it's productive or useful, so I get that there is going to be a disproportionate infatuation with the new.

[blues]

Can the apocalypse be far behind? I actually agree with 98% of rob_s' reply. ;)

[orionz06]

As someone who spent a lot of time, and money, chasing around after new hotness and niche things, I realized it was all basically a waste of money and time.

None of the guns listed are markedly better than what they are trying to replace. Some may have a slight advantage here, or a minor benefit there, but none put it all together in a package that puts one gun over the top. In fact, I'm somewhat surprised that on a site that purports to be more about software than hardware so many people are so hell bent on being intentionally anachronistic and trying to get ahead of the next trend for no other reason than to say they did that they're missing the forest for the trees and chasing around after a "better" that doesn't exist at worst, and doesn't matter at best.

I used to get excited about new this and (allegedly) innovative that, but at the end of over two decades of chasing around I'm still back at the same Glock 19 and the same 16" (or nearly so, since the AWB only sunset 12 years ago) AR in 5.56 that I started with.

What I've come to realize is that whatever problem you've got that needs solving with a gun, the 98% answer already exists on the market. All these guys are busy chasing incremental improvements, and ultimately failing. In that same 20 year span there has been virtually zero in the way of true, leap-frog innovation, and even if we add up the incremental innovation we still haven't really gotten anywhere significant.

But I get that most guys are into guns first and reasons for guns second, since I was that way for a long time, and I get that if nobody comes out with new-new-hotness then there's nothing more to discuss on the internet. I also get that guns attract enginerds, and enginerds like engineering, regardless of whether it's productive or useful, so I get that there is going to be a disproportionate infatuation with the new.

I suppose there is a difference between thinking the new hotness will be your ticket to better split times and a FAST coin and thinking that a new gun might just be cool. As it stands I'll wind up with 3-4 cool guns, to me, this year. I'll likely conclude the year the same as I began, carrying the same Gen 4 G17 with the same sights and mostly stock trigger. Doesn't mean I can't poke around and have fun. I'm not expecting the Shadow 2 to drop a second off of my FAST, nor am I expecting any variant of a 92 to help either. Doesn't mean I won't go out and have fun. That's not illegal yet.

[rob_s]

I suppose there is a difference between thinking the new hotness will be your ticket to better split times and a FAST coin and thinking that a new gun might just be cool. As it stands I'll wind up with 3-4 cool guns, to me, this year. I'll likely conclude the year the same as I began, carrying the same Gen 4 G17 with the same sights and mostly stock trigger. Doesn't mean I can't poke around and have fun. I'm not expecting the Shadow 2 to drop a second off of my FAST, nor am I expecting any variant of a 92 to help either. Doesn't mean I won't go out and have fun. That's not illegal yet.

I already have guns I can go shoot to do that, and if some new gun-shooting problem comes up that I can't solve with the guns in the safe (shooting clays, for example) then I want the tried-and-true tested equipment not the shit some non-shooting enginerd thought up in his garage with "SME" input, or some reverse-engineered almost-as-good+[gimic] that some big company thought up to try and win some government contract or part the suckers from their cash. I don't need new toys anymore to make me go out and have fun I guess. I used to, but I don't now. Whether it's looking at the gun to make you a ninja, a grand master, or just make you happy, I'm not expecting it to do any of those. I've already done all three and realized it doesn't work. If buying guns makes you happy, carry on. I'd rather spend that money taking the kids to Disney these days. Cue the "...have enough money to do both" response to which I'll just say that spending money on guns, or any other gear or gadgets, is just way down at the bottom of my list of fun shit anymore. No matter how many millions I had, I'd still be hard pressed not to spend that $500 on doing something rather than buying something.

So for me, they aren't going to help me better defend myself from the suburban boogie man, they aren't going to help me win the match that 5 people in the known universe give a shit about, and they aren't going to improve my life simply by owning them, so I think they are silly and ridiculous.

But I get that most people won't see it that way.

[SecondsCount]

As someone who spent a lot of time, and money, chasing around after new hotness and niche things,

...........

But I get that most guys are into guns first and reasons for guns second, since I was that way for a long time, and I get that if nobody comes out with new-new-hotness then there's nothing more to discuss on the internet. I also get that guns attract enginerds, and enginerds like engineering, regardless of whether it's productive or useful, so I get that there is going to be a disproportionate infatuation with the new.

I really appreciate your KISS attitude toward firearms but the reality is that some of us enjoy the refinement that technology brings and the G19/6920 will not do everything I need.

[The Apprentice]

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Trigger activated laser

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Pic your poison

[orionz06]

I already have guns I can go shoot to do that, and if some new gun-shooting problem comes up that I can't solve with the guns in the safe (shooting clays, for example) then I want the tried-and-true tested equipment not the shit some non-shooting enginerd thought up in his garage with "SME" input, or some reverse-engineered almost-as-good+[gimic] that some big company thought up to try and win some government contract or part the suckers from their cash. I don't need new toys anymore to make me go out and have fun I guess. I used to, but I don't now. Whether it's looking at the gun to make you a ninja, a grand master, or just make you happy, I'm not expecting it to do any of those. I've already done all three and realized it doesn't work. If buying guns makes you happy, carry on. I'd rather spend that money taking the kids to Disney these days. Cue the "...have enough money to do both" response to which I'll just say that spending money on guns, or any other gear or gadgets, is just way down at the bottom of my list of fun shit anymore. No matter how many millions I had, I'd still be hard pressed not to spend that $500 on doing something rather than buying something.

So for me, they aren't going to help me better defend myself from the suburban boogie man, they aren't going to help me win the match that 5 people in the known universe give a shit about, and they aren't going to improve my life simply by owning them, so I think they are silly and ridiculous.

But I get that most people won't see it that way.

I mean it's valid. Can't say I entirely share the same sentiments but it's valid. I do think you're overestimating what people really think a new gizmo brings them, or at least here.

[Eastex]

hell bent on being intentionally anachronistic

I get what you're saying, but I still think I'd like to snag this line for my signature. I'm the guy who carries a J frame in his pocket, has a 870 with a Winchester 94 backing that up at home. Hell Im still reloading my 38 Special wadcutters on a C-H single stage press.


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[Ed L]

As someone who spent a lot of time, and money, chasing around after new hotness and niche things, I realized it was all basically a waste of money and time.

None of the guns listed are markedly better than what they are trying to replace. Some may have a slight advantage here, or a minor benefit there, but none put it all together in a package that puts one gun over the top. In fact, I'm somewhat surprised that on a site that purports to be more about software than hardware so many people are so hell bent on being intentionally anachronistic and trying to get ahead of the next trend for no other reason than to say they did that they're missing the forest for the trees and chasing around after a "better" that doesn't exist at worst, and doesn't matter at best.


When I pick up an HK VP9 I find it is more comfortable in my hand than a Glock, it's trigger guard does not pinch my middle finger during recoil, that it shoots more accurately than a Glock, has a better trigger, and it doesn't have a whole thread stickied on how to make it run (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19739-LL-s-quot-Almost-Guaranteed-to-Work-fixes-for-Gen4-Glock-9mm-issues-quot)

I would say that is more than an incremental approval.

There are indeed many questionable and stupid products on the market. But honestly, Rob, declaring anyone who prefers something other than a Glock to be a special snowflake, is tiresome.

[1slow]

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How do you clear malfunctions ? Does a double feed/failure to extract become a quadruple feed/ double failure to extract ?

Shades of Maxwell Smart and the Harmonica Pistol ( 1 grip 2 cylinder and barrel assemblies.)

[Joe in PNG]

How do you clear malfunctions ? Does a double feed/failure to extract become a quadruple feed/ double failure to extract ?


You're putting more thought into the Double Derpster than the typical buyer ever would.
It's a gun to be shown often and shot as little as possible.

[Ed L]

Just so as not to turn this into a Glock vs. anything else thread. Glocks are fine.

If you like your current Glock(s), you can keep your current Glock(s).

But that doesn't mean that they are the be-all and end-all, and that doesn't mean that there aren't other valid choices that some people might prefer.

[Rich@CCC]

Said in an authoritatively deep and resonating voice...

"To achieve any significant technological breakthrough, much Derp must be endured."

[nycnoob]

Said in an authoritatively deep and resonating voice...

"To achieve any significant technological breakthrough, much Derp must be endured."

Thanks for the new signature Rich!


Ken

[Jason M]

Because the only thing that makes less sense than a pistol bayonet is a blunt pistol bayonet.

Compounded by the little lasery rear sight thingy...

[Glenn E. Meyer]

There's that new Glock mag with a pointed spike at the bottom - I think I saw it reviewed recently as stupid.

[CCT125US]

How effective is a 410 slug on raccoons or possums?

Not very. When I was 10 or so, I had a rather portly raccoon soak up 3 shells from my single shot. I learned then, what Judge owners haven't.

[CS Tactical]

To me this thing would look like a natural for gangster movies where you're blowing thugs off the running boards of your Model A. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170123/b8fbb6260b07574dcf732879271bbca9.jpg


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https://memecrunch.com/meme/BNVCU/cash-me-outside/image.png?w=500&c=1

[hufnagel]

Left and Right handed Curve guns, in tactical denim coloring so they blend into my skinny jeans. Gotta have that NY reload.

[StraitR]

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[TheNewbie]

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Another cop I know bought these and loaded them up. Never tested, just loaded.

[Ed L]

Not very. When I was 10 or so, I had a rather portly raccoon soak up 3 shells from my single shot. I learned then, what Judge owners haven't.

Okay. Now I understand. The original large caliber Howdahs were designed for when you were riding on your elephant and a tiger jumps up on the elephant and attacks you.

The new Howdah that shoots .410 is designed for when you are riding your Segway and a chip monk jumps up on the segway and attacks you.

[BobLoblaw]

I mean it's valid. Can't say I entirely share the same sentiments but it's valid. I do think you're overestimating what people really think a new gizmo brings them, or at least here.

I don't think it's valid at all. Innovation is definitely a worthy cause. Just because you're satisfied with something, doesn't mean it will be the best for anyone else or even yourself after many years. To say everything else is stupid and whatever is new sucks doesn't make you enlightened. It makes you a cynical asshole.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

All these brightly colored guns that look like Captain Video's ray guns. Taurus Spectrum for example (well, it is a Taurus) but from others.

[Malamute]

Okay. Now I understand. The original large caliber Howdahs were designed for when you were riding on your elephant and a tiger jumps up on the elephant and attacks you.

The new Howdah that shoots .410 is designed for when you are riding your Segway and a chip monk jumps up on the segway and attacks you.

Several years ago there was a couple doing some sort of contract work on utilities of some sort, all outside work. I stopped and told them that there had been grizzly problems up the road a short ways in the direction they were working. He mentioned that they had Judges with slugs. I don't recall exactly what I said, but indicated the relatively puniness of slug loads in 410 (I think less horsepower than 45 Colts in the short barrels). He thought a second, then said to the wife "lets go back to camp and get the 12 ga".

410 pistols would make dandy snake guns. That's about the end of the story in my book.

[Joe in PNG]

I don't think it's valid at all. Innovation is definitely a worthy cause. Just because you're satisfied with something, doesn't mean it will be the best for anyone else or even yourself after many years. To say everything else is stupid and whatever is new sucks doesn't make you enlightened. It makes you a cynical asshole.

There's two kinds of innovation. One is the honest to goodness make things better innovation.
The other is seen on TV for easy payments of $19.95, but wait, there's more!

[BobLoblaw]

There's two kinds of innovation. One is the honest to goodness make things better innovation.
The other is seen on TV for easy payments of $19.95, but wait, there's more!

Dude, oxyclean works.

[Malamute]

^^^ That just made me wonder how things would have gone if plastic guns had first been advertised on TV late at night, with easy installment prices.

[Joe in PNG]

^^^ That just made me wonder how things would have gone if plastic guns had first been advertised on TV late at night, with easy installment prices.

The commercial would start with film of poorly lit people struggling to perform ordinary firearms operations-fumbling reloads on 1911's, struggling to pull the trigger on double action, and generally looking like they've never handled a gun before.

[blues]

The commercial would start with film of poorly lit people struggling to perform ordinary firearms operations-fumbling reloads on 1911's, struggling to pull the trigger on double action, and generally looking like they've never handled a gun before.

Oh no! You've tried seating that mag. Reaching the trigger! Pointing the gun downrange! But nothing seems to work!

http://media.gettyimages.com/videos/woman-exhaling-and-blowing-through-her-lips-video-id158928586?s=640x640

Well now, your troubles are over with... PlastiGlock! That's right, this space age marvel of polymer chemistry makes all these problems a thing of the past.

With PlastiGlock, one size fits all and when we say all, we mean all! Grip too large? Just squeeze to fit.

Magazine well too small? Just insert your fingers and watch it streeetttccchhhhh!

Aiming a problem? Not anymore. Just bend the barrel and let 'er rip.

But wait! There's more!

Order in the next five minutes and we'll send you a second PlastiGlock completely free. Just pay separate shipping and handling.

Operators are standing by.

[fishing]

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http://i.imgur.com/d7lGARs.gif

[LOKNLOD]

The commercial would start with film of poorly lit people struggling to perform ordinary firearms operations-fumbling reloads on 1911's, struggling to pull the trigger on double action, and generally looking like they've never handled a gun before.

I've always wanted an acting job as the inept person in infomercials.

[mmc45414]

Operators are standing by.

Special Operators?


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[blues]

Special Operators?

Goes (almost) without saying. :cool:

[MistWolf]

^^^ That just made me wonder how things would have gone if plastic guns had first been advertised on TV late at night, with easy installment prices.

How do you think Glock took over the world?

[Glenn E. Meyer]

More Howdah! https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/pedersoli-45-410-howdah-pistol-shotgun-shot-show-2017/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20170126_SHOT17_6&utm_campaign=/blog/pedersoli-45-410-howdah-pistol-shotgun-shot-show-2017/

Note:


With a street price of $1,300, and a very limited production, this is not a alternative CCW gun

Damn, I was waiting for the discussion of the appropriate AIWB holster for it.

It's stupid but I'd buy it when I win the lottery. It goes with the mid-life Corvette and other silliness.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

$600 Titanium butterfly knife:

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/benchmades-600-titanium-butterfly-knife-shot-show-2016/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20170126_SHOT17_6&utm_campaign=/blog/benchmades-600-titanium-butterfly-knife-shot-show-2016/

Expensive knives - they are great until your Chris Reeve something or other bounces out of your gear from a jeep in the dark in the crappy rocky environment in the Hill Country of TX. Glad it wasn't me. Never found.

[hufnagel]

The commercial would start with film of poorly lit people struggling to perform ordinary firearms operations-fumbling reloads on 1911's, struggling to pull the trigger on double action, and generally looking like they've never handled a gun before.

You just described the average day a public gun range.

[RJ]

There's that new Glock mag with a pointed spike at the bottom - I think I saw it reviewed recently as stupid.

Yabbut after a stage you just go to collect your mags and -- voila -- all of them are sticking out of the ground on the spikes.

So there's that. :cool:

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Or your foot. Tap, rack, bleed, bang