Federal HST - Who Issues It?

[Tabasco]

First question, how does one pronounce skiving:

Sky-ving?

Second, who issues it? I know San Diego PD does if I've read correctly, and my local Sheriff's Dept. does (they told me so). Just got some Gov. contract HST .40 from Lucky Gunner, and was wondering.

[Duelist]

Yes, skiving is pronounced sky-ving.

No idea who issues it.

[HCM]

180 grain HST is the .current 40 cal issue round for DHS agencies including ICE, CBP/USBP, the USCG, and FPS (Federal Protective Service).

It comes in generic white boxes.

It has worked well in actual use.

[HopetonBrown]

San Francisco Sheriff, San Francisco PD.

[DocGKR]

San Jose PD.

[Pasanova]

Sacramento PD

[Gray222]

My PD does, in 9, 40 and 45. Works well. We shoot a lot of people.

[xcop]

Los Angeles sheriff issues 147HST. Not sure if they switched the 45acp yet

[BehindBlueI's]

We will when we transition to 9mm, which is now slated for this Fall Inservice.

[jondoe297]

It's one of a few authorized rounds at my agency, in 147gr, 180gr, and 230gr flavors.

[Leroy Suggs]

Hubcap issues it to Hubcap and Mrs. Hubcap. in the 147 grain variety.

[SCSU74]

We just switched over to 147 HST this last qual, our previous duty round was 135+p federal (LE9T5). Previous department was 124+p GD, still surprised how crummy the inside of the federal rounds look compared to the GD's. The 135's looked like the inside was about to disintegrate.

[5pins]

They sure are purdy.

180gr .40

13344

[LockedBreech]

I prefer not to say precisely where I live online, but I live in a rural Western area. Our local Sheriff's Office approves .45 and 9mm, and they issue 230-grain HST and 147-grain HST. The 230-grain HST has been used in two OIS incidents with excellent threat-stopping results.

[blues]

Hubcap issues it to Hubcap and Mrs. Hubcap. in the 147 grain variety.


https://www.nationaleonderwijsgids.nl//uploads/article/article_image/11125/normal_Clown_circus_schoenen.JPG

I order 'em directly from Hubcap. He packages them discreetly to keep nosy neighbors from ever guessing what's in the parcel. ;)

[M2CattleCo]

M2 Cattle Co issues it exclusively in 147gr standard pressure. ;)

[Chuck Haggard]

Portland PD has been issuing the 147gr HST for quite awhile.

[Erick Gelhaus]

My office issues the 147gr HST in 9mm and 180gr for .40SW; eventually we will issue their 230gr for .45ACP but we've still got a bunch of RA45T in stock.

[Onerifle]

I hope this isn't too much of a drift- I wasn't sure of whether or not to start a different thread... Besides NYPD, what other agencies issues/has had successes with the 124 +P Gold Dot?

[HCM]

I hope this isn't too much of a drift- I wasn't sure of whether or not to start a different thread... Besides NYPD, what other agencies issues/has had successes with the 124 +P Gold Dot?

It is the DHS/ICE issued duty round for personally owned 9mm's. The agency issues SIG 40s with HST but currently has about 3,000 personally owned/ Agency approved Glocks on the street as either duty guns or off duty / BUGs. Gold dot has been the 9mm duty round since at least the mid 2000's with no noted failures.

[mongooseman]

The Decatur (Georgia) County Sheriff's Office issues it in .40. CID is allowed personal weapons and I use the 124 Grain 9mm in my G19.

[Rex G]

I have "issued" myself the Tactical version of .45 ACP 230-grain HST, bought from GT Distributors in Austin. (I have to buy my own duty ammo, within recommendations/guidelines.) I had been using the "traditional" 230-grain Hydra-Shoks since the Nineties, but with my 1911 pistols being recently promoted to "primary duty" status, felt it was time to modernize, especially with Stupid Bowl week approaching, when I will be posted for forty extra hours in the Downtown area, with hijacked trucks, driven by jihadis, a potential threat. (This is my own, personal assessment, based upon widely-publicized events in Europe, not something I was told through LE-only channels. Anything I receive through confidential channels will not be shared on-line, even after the event is over.)

I might well have bought 9mm HST, to try, too, but GT Distributors did not have any in stock at the time, so I bought some Speer G2, to see where my Glocks place it, in relation to the sights, compared to my usual 124-grain +P Gold Dots.

I am not thinking anything will be a death ray against vehicles, of course, especially handgun ammo.

[Fenrir]

So when I left Virginia Beach Sheriff's Office was issuing the Federal HST 147 gr 9mm for their guns. They are carrying anything the gen 4 17 or 19. Certain higher ranking admin could carry the gen 4 26.

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[camsdaddy]

I'm surprised to see the 147 appears to be favored.

[Velo Dog]

I'm surprised to see the 147 appears to be favored.

http://www.le.vistaoutdoor.com/downloads/catalogs/HSTInsertPoster.pdf

[Flea]

We will when we transition to 9mm, which is now slated for this Fall Inservice.

We also issue .45. 230 gr +p, but that is only for backup and off duty.

[Jason M]

My agency does. 147gr 9mm. Standard pressure.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

230 Grain .45 HST standard pressure issued by Trumbull PD in Southern CT. ~80 Officers.

Supposedly we will be going to 9mm in the near future. Very excited about this.

[KyNate]

I don't know if this counts but after watching one of my hopeless supervisors issue me Winchester Train and Defend (LOL) I promptly downloaded the mag and replaced the Winchesters with 124-grain HST 9mm I work as a security officer but still couldn't believe that's what they were handing out.

[VT1032]

I don't know if this counts but after watching one of my hopeless supervisors issue me Winchester Train and Defend (LOL) I promptly downloaded the mag and replaced the Winchesters with 124-grain HST 9mm I work as a security officer but still couldn't believe that's what they were handing out.

Actually, if it's the "defend" version, that's pretty good ammo. I'm pretty sure it's just repackaged ranger bonded 147gr. That was the FBI's 9mm round until recently.

[noylj]

What is skiving referring to by OP?

Skive or skiving may refer to:


Skive, Denmark (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive,_Denmark?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a place in Denmark

Skive Municipality (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_Municipality?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')
Skive Airport (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_Airport?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')
Skive station (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_station?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')
Skive fH (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_fH?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a handball club
Skive IK (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_IK?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a football club
Skive RC (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_RC?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a rugby club


Skiving (leathercraft) (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skiving_(leathercraft)?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), the thinning of a piece of leather, cork, or rubber using a sharp tool
Skiving off, a British term for slacking (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Slacking?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia') or Truancy (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Truancy?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')

[noylj]

What is skipping referring to by OP?

Skive (long i since it is a silent e at the end) or skiving may refer to:


Skive, Denmark (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive,_Denmark?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a place in Denmark

Skive Municipality (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_Municipality?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')
Skive Airport (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_Airport?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')
Skive station (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_station?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')
Skive fH (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_fH?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a handball club
Skive IK (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_IK?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a football club
Skive RC (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_RC?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a rugby club


Skiving (leathercraft) (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skiving_(leathercraft)?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), the thinning of a piece of leather, cork, or rubber using a sharp tool
Skiving off, a British term for slacking (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Slacking?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia') or Truancy (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Truancy?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')

[PearTree]

What is skiving referring to by OP?

Skive or skiving may refer to:


Skive, Denmark (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive,_Denmark?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a place in Denmark

Skive Municipality (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_Municipality?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')
Skive Airport (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_Airport?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')
Skive station (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_station?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')
Skive fH (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_fH?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a handball club
Skive IK (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_IK?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a football club
Skive RC (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skive_RC?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), a rugby club


Skiving (leathercraft) (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Skiving_(leathercraft)?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia'), the thinning of a piece of leather, cork, or rubber using a sharp tool
Skiving off, a British term for slacking (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Slacking?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia') or Truancy (https://pistol-forum.com/r:'Truancy?lang=en&signature=com.apple.DictionaryApp.Wikipedia')

It's referring to the cuts of the bullet that creates the petals.
Check out this thread, it talks a lot about it.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?20188-Jacket-skiving-variations-between-different-lots-of-Federal-9mm-147gr-HST-(P9HST2)

[Vorpalis]

...our previous duty round was 135+p federal (LE9T5).

I'm curious why your dept. switched from LE9T5. Were there any specific problems with it?

[deputyG23]

I'm curious why your dept. switched from LE9T5. Were there any specific problems with it?
I just checked the Virginia LE state ammo contract and the vendor for Federal shows that LE9T5 has been discontinued.

[QED]

Has any agency, other than Pittsburgh P.D., switched to something other than HST, because of claimed unsatisfactory performance with HST?

[Mike C]

I'm curious why your dept. switched from LE9T5. Were there any specific problems with it?

I'd be curious about that, not that I am going to change as I have a fair amount of it now but if there is an issue I'd love to know about it.


I just checked the Virginia LE state ammo contract and the vendor for Federal shows that LE9T5 has been discontinued.

Any particular reason why? Thanks.

[deputyG23]

I'd be curious about that, not that I am going to change as I have a fair amount of it now but if there is an issue I'd love to know about it.

Any particular reason why? Thanks.
I honestly do not know. I am not aware of any agency near me that issues HST.

[Mike C]

I honestly do not know. I am not aware of any agency near me that issues HST.

Thank you Sir.

[KevH]

Concord PD (CA) issues it.

9mm 124gr +P
40 S&W 155gr
45 ACP 230gr

OIS's in all three calibers and it has performed extremely well.