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Wyoming Shooter
01-16-2017, 02:09 PM
I'm on our local club's board of directors and have been asked to put together a hunting rifle match. The idea is for a match that would simulate hunting scenarios using "standard" big game hunting rifles. This would not be a test of physical conditioning. We have plenty of distance, gobs of steel targets, and some props that could be used for support. Has anyone run and/or participated in something like this? If so, I'd love your input as to CoF, scoring, equipment restrictions, time limits, other rules, round count, etc. From the Big Empty, ELN.

Drang
01-16-2017, 02:24 PM
Contact the group that puts on the local Rendezvous for blackpowder/Mountain Men/Buckskinners and see f you can crib their notes for a Woods Walk. Don't remember if they had a Woods Walk at Bridger, but damn! that was a helluva Rendezvous!

Hambo
01-16-2017, 05:08 PM
NRA Whittington Center had a match like that years ago. I don't recall the name, but it was unknown distance shots on steel. In addition to black powder clubs, check with anybody who does long range black powder cartridge matches in your area.

SMD
01-16-2017, 07:46 PM
Jeff Cooper wrote of such a hunter's test called the Keneyathalon. There are scant references to it online but I do have an old Finn Aagard article that describes a Keneyathalon match in some detail. Lemme see if I can find it.

GJM
01-16-2017, 07:57 PM
NRA Whittington Center had a match like that years ago. I don't recall the name, but it was unknown distance shots on steel. In addition to black powder clubs, check with anybody who does long range black powder cartridge matches in your area.


Jeff Cooper wrote of such a hunter's test called the Keneyathalon. There are scant references to it online but I do have an old Finn Aagard article that describes a Keneyathalon match in some detail. Lemme see if I can find it.

It was indeed the Keneyathalon, and I participated in it in successive years. Ed, give me a shout if you need details.

nycnoob
01-16-2017, 08:24 PM
It was indeed the Keneyathalon, and I participated in it in successive years. Ed, give me a shout if you need details.


Was this the hunting simulation with disappearing targets?

GJM
01-16-2017, 08:34 PM
Rough description was you traveled a two hour or so field course, moving as fast as you could. Periodically you reached designated shooting areas. There, you had to first identify each target, and you would be penalized one point for each target you missed. Then, you shot only at the targets you thought you could hit, and for every target you shot you got one point, and you lost a point for each shot on target you missed. Targets were twelve inch steel, distances were unknown, and no laser range finders. Pretty much a scoot, shoot, scoot event. Keep your ear plugs out running so you could listen for rattlers. I used a Camelbak, an HS Precision .25-06, Leupold 3.5-10, carried a G23.

Wyoming Shooter
01-16-2017, 09:34 PM
Thanks all for the replies. The demographics of our club membership will not support much physicality. What I need is a format that emphasizes shooting from field positions, with a hunting rifle, at realistic distances. These guys do not run and gun. Best, ELN.

Malamute
01-16-2017, 09:49 PM
There may be some odds and ends that may be usable from the practical field shooters, similar to the Kenyathalon type stuff, mainly various targets sizes, various distances. They do it on a course, but that wouldn't really be required, any more than moving from one distance or target group to another.

This stuff is the higher level type guns and courses, but you may be able to adapt some concepts. He did a series of articles on the various aspects, some of the shooting stations are mentioned.

http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-equipment/

GJM
01-16-2017, 09:51 PM
Thanks all for the replies. The demographics of our club membership will not support much physicality. What I need is a format that emphasizes shooting from field positions, with a hunting rifle, at realistic distances. These guys do not run and gun. Best, ELN.

If you took the movement off the clock/out of the scoring, I think the Keneyathalon format of targets and scoring is worth considering. Jeff Cooper was a proponent of that format.

SMD
01-16-2017, 10:30 PM
To the OP - I did manage to find Aagard's piece about the Keneyathalon he shot. PM me if you want details.

ST911
01-16-2017, 11:07 PM
I'm on our local club's board of directors and have been asked to put together a hunting rifle match. The idea is for a match that would simulate hunting scenarios using "standard" big game hunting rifles. This would not be a test of physical conditioning. We have plenty of distance, gobs of steel targets, and some props that could be used for support. Has anyone run and/or participated in something like this? If so, I'd love your input as to CoF, scoring, equipment restrictions, time limits, other rules, round count, etc. From the Big Empty, ELN.

Intrigued. Please update as this develops.

Bratch
01-18-2017, 11:33 PM
I shot a 3D archery series that scored targets something like this: 5 points for X ring, 3 points for vitals, 0 points for a miss and -10 points for a hit outside of the vitals that could just wound the animal. You wouldn't be able to shoot it on steel but could throw some paper targets in and make it work.

DamonL
01-19-2017, 10:48 AM
I think if you just ran some basic drills for score it could work.

http://www.frfrogspad.com/courses.htm#Rifle

Wyoming Shooter
01-23-2017, 12:19 PM
Thanks guys. My initial thought is to put out 5 steel targets from 100 - 500 yards. I would have 5 shooting positions (stages) ranging from braced standing to prone supported. Each shooter would have 2 minutes to engage the 5 targets from each of the 5 stations. Shooter would unload and show clear after shooting each stage. Scoring would be determined by number of targets hit. Tie breaker would be shots fired. Unloaded rifle must weight less than 9 pounds. No bipods, tripods, shooting sticks, bags, etc. Shooters must use only slings and the props for support. Comments? With best regards from the Big Empty, ELN.

Wyoming Shooter
02-09-2017, 02:39 PM
Gentlemen - This is my second draft. I'd appreciate your comments. Thanks.

LVSA HUNTING RIFLE MATCH 2.0

OVERVIEW: The purpose of the match is to test shooting skills commonly used when hunting big game in Wyoming with readily available rifles and optics, at realistic distances, and from field positions.

SAFETY: All shooters will abide by the 4 rules: 1) All guns are always loaded. 2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. 3) Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target. 4) Be sure of your target and what is around it.

AMMUNITION: Must be .223 - .458 caliber centerfire. Muzzle velocity must be < 3000 fps to avoid steel target damage. No armor piercing, steel core, solid copper, or incendiary bullets. Match director has discretion to ban loads that he determines may damage steel targets.

CLASSIC RIFLE CLASS: Bolt, lever, pump, and single shot rifles only. Maximum 5 round magazine. Maximum 10 pounds unloaded.

OPEN RIFLE CLASS: Any rifle not within classic rifle class.

SHOOTING AIDS: Shooting slings permitted. No bipods, tripods, shooting sticks, bags, or other shooting aids.

TARGETS: 5 steel targets will be erected. 1 each at 100, 200, 300, 400, and 500 yards. Target sizes will range from approximately 8” – 15” to replicate the size of vital zones from antelope to moose.

SHOOTING STATIONS: 5 shooting stations will be utilized. 1) Standing braced using vertical support. 2) Horizontal barrel. 3) Vertical barrel. 4) Simulated barbed wire fence. 5) Supported prone.

Shooter will stand behind shooting station. On command “make ready”, shooter will load rifle and assume “port arms” position. On command “fire” shooter will have 2 minutes to engage the 5 targets. Shooter must use the provided props for support. Targets must be engaged in sequential order from near to far. Upon conclusion, shooter will unload and show clear. Rotate in next shooter and repeat process. Move to next station. Repeat.

SCORING: Scoring will be determined by number of targets hit. Tie breaker is fewer misses. Perfect score: 25 (hits)/0 (misses).

PNWTO
02-09-2017, 09:22 PM
Gentlemen - This is my second draft. I'd appreciate your comments. Thanks.

LVSA HUNTING RIFLE MATCH 2.0


Would it be too much of a cluster or even worth it to perhaps put an optic magnification limit on the Classic Class?

Lomshek
02-10-2017, 12:20 AM
SAFETY: All shooters will abide by the 4 rules: 1) All guns are always loaded. 2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. 3) Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target. 4) Be sure of your target and what is around it.That's not how you set up safety rules for a competition.

"All rifles will have a chamber flag installed and detachable mags will be removed or non-detachable mags will be kept empty until given the load command by the range officer. Rifles will be cased or slung with muzzles in a safe direction." would be a more correct match safety rule.




AMMUNITION: Must be .223 - .458 caliber centerfire. Muzzle velocity must be < 3000 fps to avoid steel target damage. No armor piercing, steel core, solid copper, or incendiary bullets. Match director has discretion to ban loads that he determines may damage steel targets.3000 FPS probably limits some of the .223 loads someone might use (not that most folks would use .223 on antelope) especially if they're using a longer barrel. Is it 3000 at the muzzle or 3000 at 100 yards? There are quite a few other rounds that you're eliminating too.




CLASSIC RIFLE CLASS: Bolt, lever, pump, and single shot rifles only. Maximum 5 round magazine. Maximum 10 pounds unloaded. 10 pounds seems kind of light when you add a scope.




SHOOTING AIDS: Shooting slings permitted. No bipods, tripods, shooting sticks, bags, or other shooting aids.

TARGETS: 5 steel targets will be erected. 1 each at 100, 200, 300, 400, and 500 yards. Target sizes will range from approximately 8” – 15” to replicate the size of vital zones from antelope to moose.No bipod is going to run off a lot of shooters. Not many folks outside of High Power and nut jobs like me do much "long'ish range" shooting without a bipod.