Need new dad bag

[rob_s]

I am in need of a new dad bag. I currently have what I believe is a 25L REI that's no lineger made but that has worked well just getting beat up. I keep first aid, lighters, lights, Leatherman, wipes, etc in there when we are on outings with the kids. Kind of a real-world grab-and-go. No guns or other weapons.
https://www.rei.com/product/854045/rei-trail-25-pack?cm_mmc=email_tran-_-shipping_conf-_-20140609-_-itemdesc&ev36=1&RMID=ShipmentConfirmation_Sterling&RRID=49059122&ev11=1

I'm considering the Vertx EDC Ready Pack. Anyone have or use one? I don't really care about the carry aspect but wouldn't mind having it in some situations.
http://www.vertx.com/edc-ready-pack

[Shoresy]

FWIW, Woot has a pretty decent discount on North Face backpacks today under their sporting goods section.

(NB: Woot's primary/headline sales are a 24-hour-only thing - the current sale will expire at midnight tonight... if you need more time to evaluate, it might not be your best option).

http://www.woot.com/category/sport?ref=w_gh_sp_6

[alohadoug]

I'll suggest....

https://tacticalbabygear.com/

Just a thought....;)

[rob_s]

Another front runner, the Tom Binh Synapse 19. That brand appears to be one of the top suburban middle class brands so the blend-in will be higher than with the Vertx. The last thing I want with the Vertx is to be at Disney with the kids and have some gun dork "make" me and want to engage in banter.
https://www.tombihn.com/collections/day-hiking-backpacks/products/synapse-19?variant=17391763143

[rob_s]

I'll suggest....

https://tacticalbabygear.com/

Just a thought....;)


Kids are 6 and 8. No diapers here thankfully.

[alohadoug]

Kids are 6 and 8. No diapers here thankfully.

I figured it wasn't what you were looking for...just thought it would be good for a laugh. I've got two friends, both former Military like me, that I've turned on to that site for their pending kids. Both wives are PISSED at me... :D

They do have a backpack (https://tacticalbabygear.com/collections/backpacks/products/tbg-day-pack-2-0). And a tactical wipes pouch (https://tacticalbabygear.com/products/tbg-wipe-pouch?ref=yotpo_93).

[Shoresy]

I figured it wasn't what you were looking for...just thought it would be good for a laugh. I've got two friends, both former Military like me, that I've turned on to that site for their pending kids. Both wives are PISSED at me... :D

Our first diaper bag was (still is) a range bag. Showed it to the wife and she went for it... not all women are opposed to the idea.

[JTQ]

I always start at LL Bean for packs. http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/816?page=backpacks&nav=gnro-hp

[rob_s]

Another front runner, the Tom Binh Synapse 19. That brand appears to be one of the top suburban middle class brands so the blend-in will be higher than with the Vertx. The last thing I want with the Vertx is to be at Disney with the kids and have some gun dork "make" me and want to engage in banter.
https://www.tombihn.com/collections/day-hiking-backpacks/products/synapse-19?variant=17391763143

No external water bottle, no go. Mevemind on the Binh .

[orionz06]

Size wise the Mystery Ranch Streetfighter (http://www.mysteryranch.com/streetfighter-pack), despite the name being dumb as fuck, might work.

I really love the Vertx Gamut and Gamut plus bags though. You could score one in grey or one of their other more benign colors and toss a patch over the logo.


http://www.swseller.com/images/pc/rebelalliancepatch0020.jpg

http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-fe4ars/products/2225/images/2392/cdimperiallogopatch__62539.1404777463.300.300.jpg? c=2

http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-fe4ars/products/3967/images/4555/lfwicketpatch__81499.1453411206.300.300.jpg?c=2

[Jakus]

Have you see the Hill People Gear Tarahumara? I find mine very well made and versatile. Everyone now and then they offer them in non OD/Coyote/Ranger Green colors for something a little more 'low profile".

https://www.hillpeoplegear.com/Products/tabid/762/CategoryID/3/ProductID/8/Default.aspx

[rob_s]

Size wise the Mystery Ranch Streetfighter (http://www.mysteryranch.com/streetfighter-pack), despite the name being dumb as fuck, might work.

I really love the Vertx Gamut and Gamut plus bags though. You could score one in grey or one of their other more benign colors and toss a patch over the logo.


http://www.swseller.com/images/pc/rebelalliancepatch0020.jpg

http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-fe4ars/products/2225/images/2392/cdimperiallogopatch__62539.1404777463.300.300.jpg? c=2

http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-fe4ars/products/3967/images/4555/lfwicketpatch__81499.1453411206.300.300.jpg?c=2

Why Gamut over EDC Ready? Gamut seems a little large.

[orionz06]

EDC works too, I have the Gamut Plus so that was stuck in my brain.

[Drang]

I'll suggest....

https://tacticalbabygear.com/

Just a thought....;)
The changing mat is a hoot!

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I am in need of a new dad bag. I currently have what I believe is a 25L REI that's no lineger made but that has worked well just getting beat up. I keep first aid, lighters, lights, Leatherman, wipes, etc in there when we are on outings with the kids. Kind of a real-world grab-and-go. No guns or other weapons.

I'm considering the Vertx EDC Ready Pack. Anyone have or use one? I don't really care about the carry aspect but wouldn't mind having it in some situations.
http://www.vertx.com/edc-ready-pack

Rob I started w/ a Gamut, about to sell it as the Vertx EDC is a tad smaller & works better for my usage, work & a gym locker.

I posted about it in another thread here re. backpacks, PM me if I can assist further.

[Hi-Point Aficionado]

Size wise the Mystery Ranch Streetfighter (http://www.mysteryranch.com/streetfighter-pack), despite the name being dumb as fuck, might work.

I really love the Vertx Gamut and Gamut plus bags though. You could score one in grey or one of their other more benign colors and toss a patch over the logo.


http://www.swseller.com/images/pc/rebelalliancepatch0020.jpg

http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-fe4ars/products/3967/images/4555/lfwicketpatch__81499.1453411206.300.300.jpg?c=2

Now I know what I'm sticking to the top bit of velcro on my bike bag.

[CT72]

I have a dad bag made by Diaper Dude. I was designed by a father that didn't like the current models out there. They have many models to choose from including sport team, college and pro or design your own.

[Crash41984]

I've got a Maxpedition gear slinger I bought to use as a Tactical Diaper Bag. Unfortunately, I mostly end up using the pastel monogramed Petunia Picklebottom homo erotic shit satchel my wife picked out... It's been a character building experience.

[StraitR]

Rob, did you decide on anything? I've been pondering a new pack as well. I do like the EDC.

[fishing]

http://www.arcteryx.com/product.aspx?country=us&language=en&gender=Mens&category=Packs&model=Cordova-Backpack

(self-admitted arcteryx fanboy)

buy once cry once - have one and love it.

super low drag, not in a tactical way.

[rob_s]

Rob, did you decide on anything? I've been pondering a new pack as well. I do like the EDC.

I haven't. My concern with the EDC is that the handgun section is just adding weight for a function I'd rarely make use of.

[rob_s]

http://www.arcteryx.com/product.aspx?country=us&language=en&gender=Mens&category=Packs&model=Cordova-Backpack

(self-admitted arcteryx fanboy)

buy once cry once - have one and love it.

super low drag, not in a tactical way.

I'd consider one of those if it came in a color I liked.

[fishing]

I'd consider one of those if it came in a color I liked.

what colors would those be? it may be available from a past seasons inventory. arc does not offer a full spectrum at all times unfortunately.

[rob_s]

Revisiting this in the midst of hurricane prep, and the ability to stick a pistol in a dedicated pouch has piqued my interest. I'm thinking the Vertx EDC Ready (http://vertx.com/edc-ready-pack) is top of the list.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

The Vertx EDC Ready bag is hands down the best everyday backpack/bag I have ever used. It's got the just the right amount of compartments/pockets for organization and is big enough (long enough, really) to fit my torso and carry well without being so big that it's too easy to overload. I love it.

Not that Tom needs it but agreed above. I started using the Vertx Gamut in mid 2015 for 6 day a week usage in a NPE & switched over to the smaller EDC Ready Bag by the 1st quarter of 2016. I now use the Gamut for matches 2-3 wknds. a month w/ the EDC Ready fitting my needs nicely for a yr+ now.

[MGW]

I've been trying to decide between the VertX EDC, the Sentinel from Sneaky Bags https://covertbags.com/products/sneaky-bags-sentinel-backpack and the Recon Nine Evade http://www.alphaoneniner.com/shop/recon-9-evade-backpack

I just sold a GR1 because it just didn't have enough organization inside for me. I also don't care for molle on the outside of my everyday backpack. I'm worried that the VertX bag won't have enough organization inside either.

The Evade seems to have everything I like all the organization inside and the ability to hang extra small bags. It's pricey though.

The Sneakybags pack has a lot of ability to be customized inside. Lots of Velcro, also ways to hang extra bags, very low pro outside. No dedicated laptop pocket but not sure if it's that big a deal to just place a laptop inside.

Anyone have any experience with the Evade or Sentinel? I think they are designed by the same guy. About all I know.

[GJM]

I am in need of a new dad bag. I currently have what I believe is a 25L REI that's no lineger made but that has worked well just getting beat up. I keep first aid, lighters, lights, Leatherman, wipes, etc in there when we are on outings with the kids. Kind of a real-world grab-and-go. No guns or other weapons.
https://www.rei.com/product/854045/rei-trail-25-pack?cm_mmc=email_tran-_-shipping_conf-_-20140609-_-itemdesc&ev36=1&RMID=ShipmentConfirmation_Sterling&RRID=49059122&ev11=1

I'm considering the Vertx EDC Ready Pack. Anyone have or use one? I don't really care about the carry aspect but wouldn't mind having it in some situations.
http://www.vertx.com/edc-ready-pack

Tom Jones, Talionis and I have the EDC pack and love it. My favorite EDC pack ever.

[secondstoryguy]

I've owned the Recon Evade. Very well thought out and made bag. It was slightly small for my uses but I often carry more shit than a typical guys edc. I'm using my old school favorite since the 90s...a slick LBT 3 day pack.

[Guerrero]

Tom Jones, Talionis and I have the EDC pack and love it. My favorite EDC pack ever.Can you articulate what makes it worth $150?

[Guerrero]

(stuff)

Interest... growing...

[rob_s]

Once I'm sure that I'll have a house to have it shipped to and/or am not focusing on hemoraging money to fix said house should it survive, I'll be ordering the Vertx EDC Ready Pack.

re: value, the way I look at it is that I can't find another pack that does the same things for less. That means that the price is the price. The features that make it worthwhile to me are:
1) no exposed molle. this is a total deal breaker for me. I will not buy a pack with exposed molle.
2) water bottle pouches. First, the pouches hold 32 oz bottles. Second, they have tighteners that can also loop over the tops of the bottles.
3) pistol compartment. This was previously a turn-off for me but recent events have me willing to tolerate the added weight and complexity to get the infrequent use of the feature since when I do want it I'll really want it. And, having that pouch means I can use it for my iPad when I'm using the...
4) water bladder pouch and hole. Again, not likely to use this frequently but I can think of lots of use I could get out of it and I wouldn't have to buy a dedicated camelback pack.
5) compartmentalized interior. I like that it has some pouches and pockets on the interior. Right now my bag is mostly a dumping ground in the three compartments.
6) pass through back. Not a major deal, but I do like that it can slip over the handle on a rolling suitcase.
7) stiffener. My current bag is very slouchy when sitting on the floor.

If I could find all of those features for less, I'd happily pay less...

One question for those that have this bag. Is t waist belt removable?

[CS Tactical]

I think I'll need to get one so I stop lugging my Gamut Plus around under-filled most of the time.

[rob_s]

Any opinions on their accessory pouches? Specifically these two

http://vertx.com/mini-organizational-pouch

http://vertx.com/tech-multi-tool-pouch

[Cool Breeze]

I have an edc ready pack and do like it. My opinion is that this is strictly an edc pack i.e. Great for carrying stuff you want on you everyday. It does not hold a lot of stuff as it does not stretch. The width of the pack. That is great for carrying a small amount of stuff so you don't look overloaded. But if you want yo throw some clothes in there with other stuff. No dice.

I especially like the water bottle holders as they deep. Shorter water bottle holders result in my 21 ounce hydro flask flipping out. I also like the tan interior so I can see what is in the pack. I also threw a DOJ 3A armor plate in the hidden back pocket.

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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Can you articulate what makes it worth $150?

Perhaps Tom/Rob mentioned in their replies or as I'm sure most here already know, Vertx runs frequent site wide sales.

Labor Day it was 30% off MSRP or wait like I did & they'll offer the 40% again w/ free shipping.

[rob_s]

I have an edc ready pack and do like it. My opinion is that this is strictly an edc pack i.e. Great for carrying stuff you want on you everyday. It does not hold a lot of stuff as it does not stretch. The width of the pack. That is great for carrying a small amount of stuff so you don't look overloaded. But if you want yo throw some clothes in there with other stuff. No dice.

I especially like the water bottle holders as they deep. Shorter water bottle holders result in my 21 ounce hydro flask flipping out. I also like the tan interior so I can see what is in the pack. I also threw a DOJ 3A armor plate in the hidden back pocket.

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This dude seems to have crammed a whole ton of crap in his
https://youtu.be/L7eXBp564H4

I'm watching the video and I kept thinking "well, he's got more in there for his 'edc' than I'd carry for 'bug out'!"

[Cool Breeze]

Yeah maybe I just pack heavy. He does have a lot of stuff. Most of it is pretty thin though. Notice with a full main compartment how tight the second to the main compartment is. He can barely fit a folded up nylon draw string bag in there. I'm not saying it's a bad bag, I really really like it... But for me it's small.

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[Guerrero]

So... what do you guys all put in your "dad packs?"

[rob_s]

I just ordered the Vertx today. When it comes in I'll take some picks of what I have in it when I make the swap over.

[MGW]

Anyone have first hand experience with the VertX Gamut? How much bigger is it than the EDC Ready Pack?

[MGW]

After looking at a couple of videos I think I'm going to go with the EDC Ready Pack that was recommended here.

On another note, John Lovell has a 20% discount code for VertX. Not sure if I should post it or not as I'm not sure if he gets a kickback for it.

[SteveB]

I highly recommend the Vertx sling bags. I carry the Commuter daily, but the new Transit is a bit smaller. Great thing about the sling bags is the one diagonal carry strap rather than the conventional two parallel straps on most backpacks. I find this design to be easy to manage, quick on, quick off, and comfortable; don’t need 2 straps as there is no real load-bearing. A bonus is quick access to a firearm; if you choose to carry one in the bag, it’s easy to spin the bag on the single strap, and access to the pistol compartment is fast.

[rob_s]

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[Bere09]

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I'm considering this bag as well. If you have the time, I'd love to see a brief review as well as how well this bag works for what you like to carry.

[rob_s]

So... what do you guys all put in your "dad packs?"

I'll go through my old one when I swap the contents over, but some things I know are always in it off the top of my head.


Shorts
underwear
towel
sunscrean
bug spray
external battery
charging cables
first aid kit
knife
leatherman
lighter
pen
notebook
ponchos
flashlight
550 cord
Gear ties (https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assortment/dp/B00SHBO2Q2/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1506112918&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=nite+ize+gear+tie&psc=1)

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I’ll be surprised if you don’t like the EDC Rob, mind posting a pic of the mini organizer after you load it?

[rob_s]

Well, first concern... as I suspected, this bitch is heavy, and I attribute that largely to (a) the gun pouch I will rarely use and (b) some parts that are over-beefy.

Old pack
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[Guerrero]

towel

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

[rob_s]

Old pack contents

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How I packed the Vertx for now
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The idea with the small ouch is to treat it as NPE pouch I can quickly remove to fly, go to Disney, etc.
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I stuck all the rain gear in this mesh pocket inside the main pouch. I don’t think that will work really since it’s usually something we want to access quickly.
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[secondstoryguy]

I just got a smoking deal on a Vertx EDC ready bag and my first impression is very favorable. It's well thought out, comfortable and a good size.

[VolGrad]

Not a ton of organization and not the most comfortable straps for hours of walking BUT it's small, tough, and can be packed and stowed easily when not in use. I always keep this in my luggage when I travel for day trips / commuting. It's also only $60.

https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/index-15-backpack

[rob_s]

Walked 6 miles in 6 hours at Epcot yesterday. 85-90 degrees, showers from time to time.

The weight of the bag is a problem. And the attempt at airflow in the back of the pack is a fail. And the straps are way over done, to the point that I actually wound up with a bruise on my left inner bicep due to rubbing. I kind of worried about the strap design when I was shopping, had forgotten about that worry after buying, and then was reminded of my concerns when I started getting the bruise.

I suppose all of this is what I get for buying a "hiking" item from a ninja company. It’s like they thought "we want to carry a gun in a backpack" first and then just half assed everything else in the design phase, and then went with overbuilt aesthetics to make up for it.

On top of all of that, the interior organization just doesn’t do what I want it to. Because of the overbuiltness, the. Ain compartment struggled to carry four light duty rain jackets, which in turn obscured access to the organization in the main compartment.

[GJM]

Just goes to show you how what works well for one person is a problem for someone else. I continue to use it daily, and it is my favorite EDP (every day pack) ever. Transitions from work with laptop, iPad, phones and papers, to my survival bag in the air, to carrying a heavier load.

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[secondstoryguy]

I’ve been using my EDC pack daily since I got it and I really like it. The size is nice, it’s got just the right amount of compartments,it’s comfortable, and it’s low profile. I would strongly recommend it.

[rob_s]

For those that like the Vertx, and I probably should have asked this question earlier in the thread, how long and how far are you carrying it at a time?

From what I can tell the thing that causes my issue, besides the weight, is that fixed yoke-looking strap arrangement vs one that’s more flexible.

I thought I just disliked the bag when I first posted this morning about the issues, but then I carried it out to the car and just looking at it realized how much I despise the fucking thing.

[GJM]

I use it intermittently all the time, every day, and have never noticed an issue with wearing it. Just to be sure, I put it on when I read your post, and have been wearing it since. Felt fine.

My wife finally said “WTF with you wearing the pack in the house, you imitating Tom Jones?” I told her some dude from FL said it hurt, at which point she took it, wore it around and said it was more comfortable than her 5.11 EDP.

[Guerrero]

My wife finally said “WTF with you wearing the pack in the house, you imitating Tom Jones?”

It's not unusual.

[GJM]

How many Gadgets will the pack hold?

[rob_s]

I've been trying to decide between the VertX EDC, the Sentinel from Sneaky Bags https://covertbags.com/products/sneaky-bags-sentinel-backpack and the Recon Nine Evade http://www.alphaoneniner.com/shop/recon-9-evade-backpack

I just sold a GR1 because it just didn't have enough organization inside for me. I also don't care for molle on the outside of my everyday backpack. I'm worried that the VertX bag won't have enough organization inside either.

The Evade seems to have everything I like all the organization inside and the ability to hang extra small bags. It's pricey though.

The Sneakybags pack has a lot of ability to be customized inside. Lots of Velcro, also ways to hang extra bags, very low pro outside. No dedicated laptop pocket but not sure if it's that big a deal to just place a laptop inside.

Anyone have any experience with the Evade or Sentinel? I think they are designed by the same guy. About all I know.

I originally ignored these bags, I thin, because I had already made my mind up about the shitex. Going back now and re-looking and a lot of what I saw said inthe Evade video really strikes a chord with me after my recent experience. The whole explanation about the shoulder strap attachment on the Evade make some realize that I’m no the only one that hates the yoke.

Not excited about a $200 dad bag though. But as I posted earlier, if it’s the only way to get the features I want....

Also, it’s still a full pound heavier than the current pack, even in its lightest form...

[rob_s]

As I mentioned in the PM I sent you this morning, I’ve carried it 10-12+ miles dozens of times without issue. I’ve probably carried it a hundred times for 4 miles (that’s what a round trip to the post office from my house is and I do that at least once a day, 6 days a week).

I suppose that it just fits my body shape/size better than yours.

I wouldn’t have thought that 6’-1”and 190 lbs was an outlier in body shapes, but...

I think the others thing that played a part is how often I’m moving my arms around. Picking up kids, beers, checking the phone for the next fast pass, stiff-arming rogue Asian tourist from running over my kids, etc. has me constantly moving my arms around. If they just stayed down by my sides doing the natural arm swing I may not have encountered the bruising issue from the straps.

I am reminded, in writing this, that I’ve really never been happy with anything from Vertx. I even ordered a pair of their shorts when I ordered this bag and when I tried them on I literally couldn’t get them off fast enough. Such an odd fitment where one section was too loose and another too tight. I already sent those back.

[Crews]

Sorry for the bump a month later... but is the “gun compartment” on the back of the Vertx bags big enough to fit a 8” SBR with a LAW folder while the rest of the pack can be used normally for normal stuff?


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[Crews]

Thanks for the feedback. Looks like I will have to stick with a “dual laptop” type bag.


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[Guerrero]

Just noticed that Vertx has an a sale on the "EDC Ready Pack bundle" with two tool-pouch accessories for cheaper than just the pack:

http://vertx.com/edc-ready-pack-bundle

[rob_s]

Been using the Vertx again this Disney Trip. Really hate this bag.

Just ordered the Alpha One Niner in grey ripstop since it was down to $150.

Still heavier than it should be but at least it’s less than the Vertx.

[03RN]

I'll suggest....

https://tacticalbabygear.com/

Just a thought....;)

That's what I got for Christmas, and the news

[rob_s]

If this is the bag you ordered:

http://www.alphaoneniner.com/shop/recon-9-evade-backpack

It looks nice and appears to have features/layout similar to the Vertx bag but is a little shorter and a few ounces lighter. Shorter bags don’t carry well for me and it’s one of the reasons I really like the Vertx.

In one of the photos I saw a Tom Bihn tag sewed in — if they are making it, it’s sure to be well made. I hope it works out for you.

That’s interesting re: Tom Bihn as the other bag I’m looking hard a thing is theirs and a lot of the cues reminded me of the Bihn.

[JSGlock34]

If this is the bag you ordered:

http://www.alphaoneniner.com/shop/recon-9-evade-backpack


Interesting - I didn't realize that Helmie Ashiblie had started a new company. I have a number of i-Shot and SERT products; good kit.

I like the Recon 9 Evade features - reminds me very much of my The North Face Borealis (https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/borealis) pack, which I've been using for several years now.

[orionz06]

If this is the bag you ordered:

http://www.alphaoneniner.com/shop/recon-9-evade-backpack

It looks nice and appears to have features/layout similar to the Vertx bag but is a little shorter and a few ounces lighter. Shorter bags don’t carry well for me and it’s one of the reasons I really like the Vertx.

In one of the photos I saw a Tom Bihn tag sewed in — if they are making it, it’s sure to be well made. I hope it works out for you.

Looks cool but hard pass on the stupid fucking threeper patch panel.

[rob_s]

Looks cool but hard pass on the stupid fucking threeper patch panel.



I really love the Vertx Gamut and Gamut plus bags though. You could score one in grey or one of their other more benign colors and toss a patch over the logo.


http://www.swseller.com/images/pc/rebelalliancepatch0020.jpg

http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-fe4ars/products/2225/images/2392/cdimperiallogopatch__62539.1404777463.300.300.jpg? c=2

http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-fe4ars/products/3967/images/4555/lfwicketpatch__81499.1453411206.300.300.jpg?c=2

[orionz06]

Yeah? Looks like a year later I'm less inclined to deal with patch panels and stuff like that.

[rob_s]

Not a ton of organization and not the most comfortable straps for hours of walking BUT it's small, tough, and can be packed and stowed easily when not in use. I always keep this in my luggage when I travel for day trips / commuting. It's also only $60.

https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/index-15-backpack


That one would be too small, but I clicked on the link and looked around and found this. Might be a good option if the Evade doesn’t work out.
https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/mantis-26-backpack

[Hambo]

So are you going to sell the Vertx you hate? Say, at a reasonable price on P-F?

[rob_s]

So are you going to sell the Vertx you hate? Say, at a reasonable price on P-F?

Eventually I’m sure I’ll be selling it. It may be awhile before the hassle of dealing with selling it is outweighed by the cash I’m likely to get.

[rob_s]

Just ordered the Alpha One Niner in grey ripstop since it was down to $150.
http://www.alphaoneniner.com/shop/recon-9-evade-backpack


I *think* I got the wrong bag.

It came in today, and it doesn't appear to be riptstop but appears to be a very similar heavy canvas like the Verx.

mine looks like this (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5224b0b6e4b0c3db8691bb17/5227f168e4b0e462da967523/56e596ceb09f956469ff9401/1457887652008/A19-Recon9-08-Text.jpg?format=1000w)

what I expected the bag I ordered to look like was this (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5224b0b6e4b0c3db8691bb17/5227f168e4b0e462da967523/56e596f5b09f956469ff94b1/1457887652125/A19-Recon9-07-Text.jpg?format=1000w)

I don't really care about the appearance, but was more concerned re: the weight, and the bag I received definitely "feels" heavy.

Weight approximately 3.6 pounds (1.63 kg) for the Solids and 2.8 pounds (1.27 kg) for the Ripstops

The receipt doesn't seem to indicate one way or the other.

[rob_s]

Well that was cool! And quick!


i Robert,

Apologies for the mistake. Looks like it was processed as the solid color gray.

I will have the correct ripstop Evade shipped out to you today with a return envelope and prepaid label.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.l

Thank you.

Suzy

[rob_s]

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[rob_s]

Not sure about the ripstop one. Love that it’s lighter, Love the flexibility of the material, not sure about the aesthetics of the pattern.

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[El Cid]

Not sure about the ripstop one. Love that it’s lighter, Love the flexibility of the material, not sure about the aesthetics.

I like the ripstop look and the lighter shade of grey. That's pretty great customer service though!

[Crews]

Man, that looks like a pretty nice bag. The ripstop one definitely does not scream tactical, which is a rare trait. If it was just a few inches taller so my SBR w/ side folder would fit, I’d have one in a heartbeat.

I’ve been searching for some way to organize my stuff inside my packs in a modular fashion with removable cells. There’s lots of options out there, but the Matroskya bags they have are definitely the best priced option I’ve seen. Going to order a set and try them out. For $20 on sale I don’t see how I can go wrong.


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[Crawls]

The Evade looks like a sweet bag. How's it stack up to the Vertx?

[rob_s]

The Evade looks like a sweet bag. How's it stack up to the Vertx?

I can't really say yet. I'll at least post a side-by-side pic in a bit.

I'll obviously have more to say after I've packed it with my usual crap and then also after I've carried it. First chance to carry will probably be in a couple of weeks.

[rob_s]

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[rob_s]

Just got all the gear swapped over, and already I'm super stoked with the new bag. Among other things, the straps are 10x more comfortable, and my theory about the yoke on the Vertx making it uncomfortable, and the lack of yoke on the Evade making it more flexible, seems spot on. I so far can't find one thing I like better about the Vertx.

Here's how I have it packed for now. I literally can't wait for an excuse to go stomping around with this thing.

What's not shown, that I love, is the top quick-access pocket. Meds, tickets, phone, glasses, whatever. I'm super happy about having this pouch and it's something that I was really hunting for.


Bag closed, obviously. I have now attached the bungie and love the little details like the bungie not keeping you from access any of the pouches.
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front pouch. Fits everything I carry very well. I *think* I wish the pockets were a little higher up so you didn't have to open the entire pouch to get to the pockets, but time will tell.
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First aid, sunscreen, rain gear, and a spare change of clothes. I think this will work out perfectly, and the full-open pouches are awesome for access. On this compartment the side straps kind of act as stops to keep you from over-opening the pouch when/if you don't want to.
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laptop, document, ipad sleeve. I'll keep this empty until I need it. I may also add my towel in here (once I find it again...)
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[Wondering Beard]

You lost your towel? That's terrible (http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Towel)!

You're not a really hoopy frood (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20really%20hoopy%20frood), are you? ;-)

[Guerrero]

You lost your towel? That's terrible (http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Towel)!

You're not a really hoopy frood (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20really%20hoopy%20frood), are you? ;-)I think someone else used that joke up in post #51.

;)

[Wondering Beard]

I had forgotten about it. :-)

[rob_s]

Got a chance to schlep the new bag around a bit this past weekend. Absolutely love it, and I think I made a sale to one of my coworkers that saw the bag as well.

the Vertx is listed on there in the for sale section.

[JustOneGun]

At the risk of sounding, anti-yuppie/skinny jeans, may I humbly suggest blending in with one of the toughest bags made..... JanSport.

[SD]

Thanks to the research this thread provides , it was a real time saver for me. When my JanSport Airlift pack failed. The TB-Guides Edition Synapse 25 wold be my first choice if not for the cost. I believe its worth every penny, my wallets a little light after just replacing my laptop. Because of the excellent performance and longevity the Airlift provided me I went back to JanSport, ordered a Helios 30 bag. Hope it will be a keeper once it arrives. That Alphaoneniner bag looks super nice, but that velcro has got to go.

[orionz06]

Crye has some packs on the radar now for me, the EXP 1500 (https://www.cryeprecision.com/ProductDetail/poubp300000_exp-1500-pack) and EXP 2100 (https://www.cryeprecision.com/ProductDetail/poubp200000_exp-2100-pack). The manner in which they expand is quite nice and meets my needs for a work backpack that could take a little extra but also be shaped to suit riding a motorcycle.

They're quite plain and available in grey:
https://www.cryeprecision.com/images/items/Fullsize/POUBP300000-B.png

https://www.cryeprecision.com/images/items/Fullsize/POUBP200000-B.png

[rob_s]

I didn't know Pelican was making packs...
https://www.pelican.com/us/en/product/travel/backpack/mobile-protect/mpb25

[Guerrero]

I didn't know Pelican was making packs...
https://www.pelican.com/us/en/product/travel/backpack/mobile-protect/mpb25

You going to dive in and scoop one up?

[rob_s]

You going to dive in and scoop one up?

I thought I was, but it doesn't look like they have water bottle pockets, and I use those a lot.

I'm still relatively happy with the bag I wound up with, but the things I though would suck about it (excess weight, added bulk of gun-specific bag design limiting storage of other items) turned out to be accurate.

I've come to the conclusion that I like having the option of a gun-pouch in a bag, but that for my normal dad bag use that option just means the bag compromises in too many other areas.

So I'm back on the prowl for a dad bag, but I don't want any secret gun compartment bullshit.

[Guerrero]

I got myself a Maxpedition Pygmy Falcon II that I'm pretty happy with.

[Sal Picante]

I hated the Vertx EDC bag.

It didn't stay zipped, the compartments were clumsy, it wasn't water proof enough, It was a tough getting access to the things I needed, etc.

My favorite back, the Driftsun PVC roll-top bag in 22L size is no longer made, but there are equivalents: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DQ6GVCG/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?pd_rd_i=B07DQ6GVCG&th=1

What do I like about it?

1 Big compartment - super easy to open/close. Waterproof: great for trips to the beach or trips to the range in the rain or trips to San Francisco dealing with that crap weather. Spilled beer at the Berghoof in O'Hare? No problem, just wipe that off the exterior. Commuter spills coffee and soaks everything on the airport shuttle? No problem, just wipe that off the exterior.

It isn't fancy. It is $30.00. Mr_White got me hooked on this thing. So worth it. It has become "indispensable kit".

p/BjyjReFHsbO

[Grey]

Saw a discount on LEAF gear so I bought a courier 15. Will report when it arrives.

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[rob_s]

So I've pretty much fully reverted to the old REI for anything more than running around town at home. We recently went to Norway for 10 days and the Newport Folk Fest and in both cases knowing I'd be wearing the pack a lot I found myself unpacking the "gun bag" new hotness and putting everything into the old REI. The 1 lbs difference just really adds up over long days, and despite the attempts on the back of the new back to allow for airflow it kind of has a reverse effect and just winds up feeling hotter. Plus the attachment method at the top of the straps means every time you pick the bag up you wind up having to untangle them, which gets old. Especially since so many other things about the bag have me wanting to set it down all the time.

it looks like they have a "version 2.0 (https://www.alphaoneniner.com/collections/featured/products/alpha-one-niner-evade-2-0-limited-release)" now but nothing I see in the pictures leads me to believe it's improved any for my purposes, and it's even heavier than the last version! It looks like they re-named the OG version (https://www.alphaoneniner.com/collections/featured/products/recon-nine-evade-backpack) and still sell it too.

So I'm back on the hunt, and this time I think I'm sticking with non-gun-fag versions only. The ninja parts just add weight, as I feared.

[Grey]

The LEAF bag turnes into my daily bag and I got a MR 3 zip to try for a baby bag, pretty minimal space...

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[rob_s]

The LEAF bag turnes into my daily bag and I got a MR 3 zip to try for a baby bag, pretty minimal space...

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The MR packs are intriguing to me. I don't quite "get" the three-zip thing but I think I'm sort of figuring it out. But they are heavy for my needs. Their 21L (https://www.mysteryranch.com/urban-assault-pack) is still like close to 3 lbs.

[Grey]

The MR packs are intriguing to me. I don't quite "get" the three-zip thing but I think I'm sort of figuring it out. But they are heavy for my needs. Their 21L (https://www.mysteryranch.com/urban-assault-pack) is still like close to 3 lbs.Their everyday bags are a lot lighter than the tactical ones. The 3zip has two zippers that open the top and then one zipper that opens the length of the bag. All three zippers can operate independently so you can access the main compartment without opening the top. Really like the design but wish it was bigger.

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[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Have you looked at Kifaru?

https://store.kifaru.net/escape-and-evade-785ci--128liters-p56.aspx

[rob_s]

Have you looked at Kifaru?

https://store.kifaru.net/escape-and-evade-785ci--128liters-p56.aspx

yes but the molle is a big turnoff for me.

[Gater]

I recently picked up an Arcteryx Mantis 26 for daily commute and travel. Don't love the admin panel, but it is the perfect size, light (14.5 oz), streamlined, and carries well lightly loaded. Ditched the hip belt, aluminum stay, and hydration tube keeper for what am using it for.

https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/mantis-26-backpack

There's a review of it (and lots of others) at:

https://theperfectpack.com/2018/11/27/arcteryx-mantis-26-review/

[rob_s]

I recently picked up an Arcteryx Mantis 26 for daily commute and travel. Don't love the admin panel, but it is the perfect size, light (14.5 oz), streamlined, and carries well lightly loaded. Ditched the hip belt, aluminum stay, and hydration tube keeper for what am using it for.

https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/mantis-26-backpack

There's a review of it (and lots of others) at:

https://theperfectpack.com/2018/11/27/arcteryx-mantis-26-review/

I really wish that bag had a small accessory/sunglass/phone pouch on the top. It's pretty much the one thing I really love about my heavy bag. Meds, phone, passport, boarding pass, room key, etc. have all been really handy to have in that little pouch.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

yes but the molle is a big turnoff for me.

Agree 100%, but Kifaru packs are in a league of their own IMO. I am pretty sure you could call them and have it made without the MOLLE, as I believe all their stuff is made to order if I remember correctly.

[Gater]

I really wish that bag had a small accessory/sunglass/phone pouch on the top. It's pretty much the one thing I really love about my heavy bag. Meds, phone, passport, boarding pass, room key, etc. have all been really handy to have in that little pouch.

I thought the same thing, but some of the reviews I read pointed out how useful the vertical pockets on the front are. I stick sunglass case and phone in the small one, and lightweight rain jacket in the bigger one. Loose stuff I might have kept in zip pocket in the admin panel if there was one I stuck in a magpul zip pouch and stuck in the vertical pocket as well. FWIW, Arcteryx offers free returns on that item (I'm not sure if they do that for everything).

[rob_s]

I should probably point out a few things, this being the internet and all...

I’m not desperate for a new bag. The one(s) I have now are more than capable, and serve me just fine. Their shortcomings amount mostly to minor annoyances at best, or a wish that one had a specific feature found only on the other.

So I don’t *need* a new bag at this point, I’m just keeping my options open and looking to see what else is out there that doesn’t require too much energy, effort, time, or cash expended to procure.

[rob_s]

I thought the same thing, but some of the reviews I read pointed out how useful the vertical pockets on the front are. I stick sunglass case and phone in the small one, and lightweight rain jacket in the bigger one. Loose stuff I might have kept in zip pocket in the admin panel if there was one I stuck in a magpul zip pouch and stuck in the vertical pocket as well. FWIW, Arcteryx offers free returns on that item (I'm not sure if they do that for everything).

Really I want both. My REI has the vertical picket on the front and I love that I can get to it with the bag still in one shoulder. Accessing in mass transit situations without having to remove the pack is awesome.

But I still love that smaller, horizontal, top pocket for the smaller items.

[Gater]

Really I want both. My REI has the vertical picket on the front and I love that I can get to it with the bag still in one shoulder. Accessing in mass transit situations without having to remove the pack is awesome.

But I still love that smaller, horizontal, top pocket for the smaller items.

North Face might have something, although maybe bigger/heavier than you want. Surge or SurgeII, for example.

[J0hnny]

yes but the molle is a big turnoff for me.

Great bag especially when paired with their organizer. I'd make it my EDC again if it weren't for all that molle

[Wheeler]

We just got back from a trip to Africa. I was warned by several folks that my Maxpedition Malaga that I use for my EDC bag would cause issues when going through the various security checkpoints, not to mention drawing unwanted attention while in London for a day. I now wish I had stuck to my guns and used the Malaga, because it's a great bag for my current usage and would have served well for my travel requirements.

Instead I used a Vertx EDC Essentials I had horse traded for. The bag stored everything I needed while traveling and while on game drives. The zippers worked fine, it protected all my doodads but I didn't really care for it.

The shoulder pad was never where I needed it to be. The strap would twist and bind, and the adjustment system was poorly designed IMO. The vertical pocket supposedly for a water bottle didn't work with a 1L battle very well. The MOLLE panel didn't work with the clips on my DPx HEST sheath, which works on every other piece of MOLLE gear I have tried it with. In short, the bag was OK, it served the purpose but I wasn't happy with it as I ended up constantly readjusting it to get it to remain comfortable.

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Travel configuration.

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Game drive configuration

[Wheeler]

I don't know why it included that third image at the bottom. I thought I had only uploaded two pictures. Apologies.

[rob_s]

I'm glad you posted that...

Something else I've been considering is a sling bag, perhaps as an alternative to the backpacks, particularly when it's hot out since I often find the backpack half or even a quarter full but I bring it just to have the small essentials.

It looks like they range from the small (perhaps slightly girly) (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RG8C76Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1) to the full tac-tard (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002VMYI3A/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_49.rDbTTKKBYQ) to the mini-messenger (https://www.timbuk2.com/collections/sling-bags/products/1265-catapult-sling-20?variant=29391589376042). I saw a lot of fanny packs at the Folk Fest but most were carried like a sling and didn't look terribly comfortable or well designed to I think that saves me from that embarrassment.

[rob_s]

Some current contenders in the backpack realm...

Tom Bihn Synapse 19 - $200 - 27oz (https://www.tombihn.com/collections/backpacks/products/synapse-19?variant=13209883017279)

Tom Bihn Synapse 25 - $210 - 32oz (https://www.tombihn.com/products/synapse-25?variant=50297716807)

Arc'Teryx Mantis 26 - $149 - 14.5oz (https://www.arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/mantis-26-backpack)

TAD Axiom 18 - $245 - 35.2oz (https://tripleaughtdesign.com/shop/axiom-18-pack/) (seems heavy given volume)

TAD Axiom 24 - $325 - 37.6oz (https://tripleaughtdesign.com/shop/axiom-24-pack/) (seems heavy given volume)

[peterb]

Sling bags always feel unbalanced to me compared to a small backpack. I hate walking with stuffed pockets, so for less-than-small-backpack stuff a fanny/lumbar pack works well for me. I’ve got one with two bottle pockets that’s great for long dog walks: a bottle for each of us, small bowl, bags, snacks, first aid, etc.
It probably helps to be living where being dressed for a hike doesn’t get a second glance.

[MGW]

I’ve become a big fan of the Vertx bags. They have everything I need and can be customized inside using their Velcro accessories. Lots of 25% off discount codes out there too.

[Grey]

The axiom looks nice but I dont know if the TAD price is worth it and I have a lot of TAD shit...

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[Wheeler]

I'm glad you posted that...

Something else I've been considering is a sling bag, perhaps as an alternative to the backpacks, particularly when it's hot out since I often find the backpack half or even a quarter full but I bring it just to have the small essentials.

It looks like they range from the small (perhaps slightly girly) (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RG8C76Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1) to the full tac-tard (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002VMYI3A/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_49.rDbTTKKBYQ) to the mini-messenger (https://www.timbuk2.com/collections/sling-bags/products/1265-catapult-sling-20?variant=29391589376042). I saw a lot of fanny packs at the Folk Fest but most were carried like a sling and didn't look terribly comfortable or well designed to I think that saves me from that embarrassment.

My Malaga is a full blown tactard bag. I still wish I had taken it.

On the flip side I used a 5.11 Covert Roll Top bag on the return trip home and it performed quite well for getting through the various airports and security checkpoints.

[rob_s]

I’ve become a big fan of the Vertx bags. They have everything I need and can be customized inside using their Velcro accessories. Lots of 25% off discount codes out there too.

yeah if you read back through the thread I tried one of their bags and didn't like it. I have a love/hate with Vertx in general. They are a 90% company in my opinion, meaning their products hit 90% of the keys that I want but the remaining 10% are massive fails that either make the whole thing no good or massively annoying to deal with (like their goddamn shorts/pants sizing where I wear a 34/32 in almost every other brand but apparently need a 36/30 troll pant from Vertx).

threadjack, but I think they are a great example of what happens when enthusiasts start companies without the history of product development that a Jansport, REI, etc. come into the game with.

[MGW]

yeah if you read back through the thread I tried one of their bags and didn't like it. I have a love/hate with Vertx in general. They are a 90% company in my opinion, meaning their products hit 90% of the keys that I want but the remaining 10% are massive fails that either make the whole thing no good or massively annoying to deal with (like their goddamn shorts/pants sizing where I wear a 34/32 in almost every other brand but apparently need a 36/30 troll pant from Vertx).

threadjack, but I think they are a great example of what happens when enthusiasts start companies without the history of product development that a Jansport, REI, etc. come into the game with.

I'm with you on the pants. I had forgotten that you tried one of their bags.

[ubervic]

Just realized that this thread is over 2 years old, but did not catch whether OP ever bought a bag------might not need any more advice or input at this stage?

FWIW, I've really enjoyed my 5.11 RUSH 12 for the past several years as a compact yet versatile and highly organizable everything bag. Just returned from almost two weeks overseas using it to store & carry a wide range of stuff all over. I own it in black, so the MOLLE webbing is not that noticeable, and I add an innocuous patch and pens to the exterior to render it fairly non-tactical in appearance. Tons of pockets/compartments. Very rugged. Still looks new after about 5 years of moderate use.

Again, maybe it's a moot point at this stage.

[Wheeler]

Just realized that this thread is over 2 years old, but did not catch whether OP ever bought a bag------might not need any more advice or input at this stage?

FWIW, I've really enjoyed my 5.11 RUSH 12 for the past several years as a compact yet versatile and highly organizable everything bag. Just returned from almost two weeks overseas using it to store & carry a wide range of stuff all over. I own it in black, so the MOLLE webbing is not that noticeable, and I add an innocuous patch and pens to the exterior to render it fairly non-tactical in appearance. Tons of pockets/compartments. Very rugged. Still looks new after about 5 years of moderate use.

Again, maybe it's a moot point at this stage.

I for one am enjoying the continued conversation, regardless of whether the OP found an answer to his problem. :)

[rob_s]

Just realized that this thread is over 2 years old, but did not catch whether OP ever bought a bag------might not need any more advice or input at this stage?

FWIW, I've really enjoyed my 5.11 RUSH 12 for the past several years as a compact yet versatile and highly organizable everything bag. Just returned from almost two weeks overseas using it to store & carry a wide range of stuff all over. I own it in black, so the MOLLE webbing is not that noticeable, and I add an innocuous patch and pens to the exterior to render it fairly non-tactical in appearance. Tons of pockets/compartments. Very rugged. Still looks new after about 5 years of moderate use.

Again, maybe it's a moot point at this stage.

Molle is a no-go for me regardless of colors, but I hadn't given 5.11 a look in quite some time and they do appear to have a few non-ninja-fied packs I'm looking over now, but the weight appears to be an issue with them as well.

[rob_s]

I for one am enjoying the continued conversation, regardless of whether the OP found an answer to his problem. :)

as the OP, I am too! :cool:

[ubervic]

as the OP, I am too! :cool:

Please tell me that you did actually acquire something eons ago. :)

[rob_s]

Please tell me that you did actually acquire something eons ago. :)

Summary of events to date:

Started out with REI 25L bag that's discontinued. Thought I wanted a dedicated pistol pouch, and more internal division.
Tried Vertx EDC Ready Pack 1.0 (there's now a 2.0 (https://vertx.com/ready-pack-2-0)) and found it chafed and the weight was not ideal. link to post (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?23854-Need-new-dad-bag&p=662688&viewfull=1#post662688).
Got the Alpha One Niner Recon Nine (https://www.alphaoneniner.com/collections/bags-cases/products/recon-nine-evade-backpack) (there's now a 2.0 (https://www.alphaoneniner.com/collections/bags-cases/products/alpha-one-niner-evade-2-0-limited-release) of this one too). it's proved too heavy, and the straps are "weird". link to post (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?23854-Need-new-dad-bag&p=911845&viewfull=1#post911845).
basically back to using the REI any time I actually need to keep the bag on for long, and using the A19 only for situations where the bag doesn't have to stay on my back all day.

[Guerrero]

Molle is a no-go for me regardless of colors, but I hadn't given 5.11 a look in quite some time and they do appear to have a few non-ninja-fied packs I'm looking over now, but the weight appears to be an issue with them as well.

I was going to ask if you looked at something like their "COVRT18" (https://www.511tactical.com/covrt-18-backpack.html) backpack.

[rob_s]

I was going to ask if you looked at something like their "COVRT18" (https://www.511tactical.com/covrt-18-backpack.html) backpack.

There’s a lot to like about that bag. Ticks a lot of the boxes. Only real issue is the weight.

[rob_s]

Evidently Tom Bihn is updating their Synapse pack to a new design called the Synik which will come in 22 and 30 liter sizes (vs the 19 and 25 of the Synapse).

Product announcement (https://blog.tombihn.com/synik)


Video comparing Synik 30 to Synapse 25 (https://youtu.be/k8SZMMOqJNY)

The idea of the 22 Synik (https://www.tombihn.com/products/synik-22?variant=15334728073279) is pretty appealing, but at nearly $300...

[rob_s]

The Osprey Quasar (https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product/quasar-QUASARF19_164.html) is another contender. Has the waterbottle pockets, which are a tighter mesh so they stay flat when empty, has the bungee on the outside which I really like having, has the eyeglass/small pocket on the top, and weighs only 1.68 lbs for a 28L pack (a bit larger than I care for but doesn't appear to be bulky). Looks like the internal organization may work out well also.

[vcdgrips]

Tom Bihn is like the Tom Givens of packs. He has been around for a long time and is not stuck in his ways-Bihn products are top notch & constantly improving and evolving. You may not agree with every feature/design cue-but it is clear that TB has thought about it and has a good reason for it.

On of my contemporaries at work is all in re TB. He, his wife and three kids (10, 12 and 15 ish) have literally thousands worth depending on the "mission" (trip/school/activity.) No issues with anything. It all just works.

They have done Disney, US road trips, Europe and cruises. Everybody has two bags max. Everybody carries their own stuff. Wear one outfit, pack 5 max. Factor in the weather and activity level and go.

I too have been scared off by price as I have tended to focus of the intersection of quality & value in this space. I suspect if I was a serious road warrior and/or I did not have two kids in college, I would trade in my slick Eagle AIII ( a bag full of bags) and get the SYNIK 30 and drive on. The built in organization is very appealing.

If I was picking nits re TB, I think their warranty/g-tee is a bit soft given the pricepoint. eBags, Eddie Bauer and Osprey are 3 manufacturers who still g-tee for life with no hassles.

as always-ymmv

[El Cid]

Evidently Tom Bihn is updating their Synapse pack to a new design called the Synik which will come in 22 and 30 liter sizes (vs the 19 and 25 of the Synapse).

Product announcement (https://blog.tombihn.com/synik)


Video comparing Synik 30 to Synapse 25 (https://youtu.be/k8SZMMOqJNY)

The idea of the 22 Synik (https://www.tombihn.com/products/synik-22?variant=15334728073279) is pretty appealing, but at nearly $300...

Well damn... pre-order is already closed.

[rob_s]

Headed out today on an urban family adventure, and grabbing the current dad bag and just picking it up to check the contents has me annoyed at having to tote this thing around.

It occurs to me that it would be awesome if Vertx would make non-ninja versions of their main bags. just removing that hidden pouch on the back would cut a half pound I bet.

[MGW]

rob_s Have you seen Nano Series (https://www.gregorypacks.com/shop-by-series/nano/) from Gregory Packs? My son's backpack just bit the dust and I'm considering picking up a Nano 18 for him to try.

Edit to add I might try a Nano 20 (https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/urban-commuter/nano-20-111499XXXX.html?dwvar_111499XXXX_color=1114997406&cgidmaster=nano#start=1) for myself.

[Cookie Monster]

I just picked up one of these last month:

https://www.ula-equipment.com/product/fastpack/

I like it so far, I was intrigued by the "fastpack"/vest style packs, thinking about loaded down mountain bike rides with the little ones and other hiking adventures and maybe a solo overnight as I think I am gaining a little more space with my young family to break away for a night. I need to add some zipper pulls and really try out the waterbottles on the shoulder strap thing. I got it loaded with some stuff for wet and cold as well as a few comfort things and some snacks. It's worked out well as my go out the door bag on weekends, having a few supplies and being able to keep everything contained and organized in the truck is a good deal.

For work I roll with an old Mystery Ranch Fireline Pack for work as it makes carrying a gallon of water in Nalgene bottles easy and accessible with large outside side pockets. I always have a bunch of stuff for cold and wet as my work can take me outside on days I didn't think I was going outside or days when it can change from good to bad weather.

I would think that their everyday bag would be worth a look too:

https://www.ula-equipment.com/product/everyday/

I used one of their bags back in the day for my PCT thru-hike in 2005 and probably another 1000 miles of packing after that. And back in the day stayed at the owner's house a few times when I would go through Logan, UT. He sold the business a few years ago and there are new people I don't know running it.

[luckyman]

rob_s Have you seen Nano Series (https://www.gregorypacks.com/shop-by-series/nano/) from Gregory Packs? My son's backpack just bit the dust and I'm considering picking up a Nano 18 for him to try.

Edit to add I might try a Nano 20 (https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/urban-commuter/nano-20-111499XXXX.html?dwvar_111499XXXX_color=1114997406&cgidmaster=nano#start=1) for myself.

I love my Gregory Salvo

[rob_s]

rob_s Have you seen Nano Series (https://www.gregorypacks.com/shop-by-series/nano/) from Gregory Packs? My son's backpack just bit the dust and I'm considering picking up a Nano 18 for him to try.

Edit to add I might try a Nano 20 (https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/urban-commuter/nano-20-111499XXXX.html?dwvar_111499XXXX_color=1114997406&cgidmaster=nano#start=1) for myself.


I love my Gregory Salvo

That’s a brand I wasn’t familiar with that seems to have a lot to offer. Particularly like that their offerings appear to be light and pay particular attention to the straps and back mesh. Both key elements in the Florida heat.

Thanks guys!

[orionz06]

I just picked up one of these last month:

https://www.ula-equipment.com/product/fastpack/

I like it so far, I was intrigued by the "fastpack"/vest style packs, thinking about loaded down mountain bike rides with the little ones and other hiking adventures and maybe a solo overnight as I think I am gaining a little more space with my young family to break away for a night. I need to add some zipper pulls and really try out the waterbottles on the shoulder strap thing. I got it loaded with some stuff for wet and cold as well as a few comfort things and some snacks. It's worked out well as my go out the door bag on weekends, having a few supplies and being able to keep everything contained and organized in the truck is a good deal.

For work I roll with an old Mystery Ranch Fireline Pack for work as it makes carrying a gallon of water in Nalgene bottles easy and accessible with large outside side pockets. I always have a bunch of stuff for cold and wet as my work can take me outside on days I didn't think I was going outside or days when it can change from good to bad weather.

I would think that their everyday bag would be worth a look too:

https://www.ula-equipment.com/product/everyday/

I used one of their bags back in the day for my PCT thru-hike in 2005 and probably another 1000 miles of packing after that. And back in the day stayed at the owner's house a few times when I would go through Logan, UT. He sold the business a few years ago and there are new people I don't know running it.


Damn, missed the Everyday. I've got a Circuit for backpacking that they did in custom colors that I love, would be cool to grab another with how well they seem to be holding up.

[orionz06]

Evidently Tom Bihn is updating their Synapse pack to a new design called the Synik which will come in 22 and 30 liter sizes (vs the 19 and 25 of the Synapse).

Product announcement (https://blog.tombihn.com/synik)


Video comparing Synik 30 to Synapse 25 (https://youtu.be/k8SZMMOqJNY)

The idea of the 22 Synik (https://www.tombihn.com/products/synik-22?variant=15334728073279) is pretty appealing, but at nearly $300...

Synik 30 showed up yesterday. Impressive. It certainly cost more than I wanted to spend, but so does buying all the other packs I've tried seeking perfection. The TB fanbois are all over the organization, and coming from where I am, I didn't expect to like it. Wrong, they do apparently have a decent idea about this stuff. I added an admin panel from TAD inside to regain the lacking pen storage. I was able to use some built in hooks like it was designed for this panel.

Will update with some time. I'll have a business trip or two in the next few weeks.

[El Cid]

Synik 30 showed up yesterday. Impressive. It certainly cost more than I wanted to spend, but so does buying all the other packs I've tried seeking perfection. The TB fanbois are all over the organization, and coming from where I am, I didn't expect to like it. Wrong, they do apparently have a decent idea about this stuff. I added an admin panel from TAD inside to regain the lacking pen storage. I was able to use some built in hooks like it was designed for this panel.

Will update with some time. I'll have a business trip or two in the next few weeks.

I snagged one as well and am pleased so far. Now I just need an armor panel that will fit it.

[rob_s]

Synik 30 showed up yesterday. Impressive. It certainly cost more than I wanted to spend, but so does buying all the other packs I've tried seeking perfection. The TB fanbois are all over the organization, and coming from where I am, I didn't expect to like it. Wrong, they do apparently have a decent idea about this stuff. I added an admin panel from TAD inside to regain the lacking pen storage. I was able to use some built in hooks like it was designed for this panel.

Will update with some time. I'll have a business trip or two in the next few weeks.


I snagged one as well and am pleased so far. Now I just need an armor panel that will fit it.

I’ll be interested to see how y’all like them.

Since starting this thread my needs have been dramatically reduced (we had Disney annual passes back then and so I was “bagging” a whole damn lot), plus it not being summer means we aren’t going on near as many outings, and as the thread title implies my backpack needs are almost entirely “dad bag” and I don’t carry a backpack if we’re not out and about as a family.

I did confirm, on our Norway trip last summer, that the current bag is not for me, and that the previous Vertx I had would have been even worse, but I haven’t come up with a viable alternative.

The primarily issue is that I don’t carry the bag often, but when I do it’s all day for several days in a row. So I’m not used to carrying it and then have it all the damn time. So I’m still pretty fixated on weight being a prime factor, which still has me reluctant on the Synik.

[Doc_Glock]

Synik 30 showed up yesterday. Impressive. It certainly cost more than I wanted to spend, but so does buying all the other packs I've tried seeking perfection. The TB fanbois are all over the organization, and coming from where I am, I didn't expect to like it. Wrong, they do apparently have a decent idea about this stuff. I added an admin panel from TAD inside to regain the lacking pen storage. I was able to use some built in hooks like it was designed for this panel.

Will update with some time. I'll have a business trip or two in the next few weeks.

Thanks for clueing me in to TB Bags. Very nice. What pushed you to the Synik over the Brain Bag?

[orionz06]

I didn't like the division of the compartments as much and the Synik seemed a little more thought out.

Some of my choice was based on the shiny new thing as well though.

Ultimately the Synik seemed closer to a GR2 without molle than anything else that was well regarded. I still maintain that a slick GR2 might be ideal, but they don't seem to wanna make it. The Tom Bihn straps are really nice though, didn't think I'd care as much about that as I do.

[Doc_Glock]

Wow. I think I am really going to like the Synik.

Compared to current Linchpin.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191210/2b7c89653a46100277f0a9b1f543191d.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191210/e3c636e57d1d66d0848bea1052953162.jpg

Big. Non tactical. Extremely useful. Laptop compartment could make nice pistol compartment.

Plenty of organization. Regretting that I purchased the Freudian Slip to go with it. Unnecessary for my use.

Build quality really high. Can’t wait to see how it carries.

[orionz06]

Regretting that I purchased the Freudian Slip to go with it.

I grabbed one of those later, working well for my needs.

[rob_s]

Regretting that I purchased the Freudian Slip to go with it. Unnecessary for my use.


I grabbed one of those later, working well for my needs.

Curious to hear more from both of you on this. What you like/don’t like, how you were/are using it, etc.

I think I’m pretty close to landing on the 22 for my “dad bag” needs. It’ll pretty much nerve have a laptop in it, I like the laptop access for the iPad, and the smaller size and reduced weight should be good things.

I carried my current bag around for a bit a couple of weekends ago and I’m now really hating the thing. It’s almost as stupid/useless as the Vertx. Way unnecessary weight/bulk in both cases. Basically the “tacticalness” is getting in the way of it being a useful item (which, as I sit and think about it, is becoming more and more true for me in most things).

[orionz06]

Right off the bat, the comments people made online about the TB straps are all true. I hadn't imagined I'd give a fuck at all because they're just straps. Nope, they're perfect. They don't concern me one bit when wearing sweaters to work. The back part that makes contact with my clothing is also cordura rather than anything that pills itself or my clothing. This was obnoxious to me. It didn't take more than half a trip through an airport to pill a wool hoodie with another pack. On the 30, the water bottle pouch is perfect for my 40oz. Hydroflask with coffee. It doesn't close, but I'd ride my motorcycle in with the coffee there. The organization was a little forced, but I've adapted quickly.

I use the Freudian Slip for all of my pens, a 6" stainless scale, pencil, eraser, and some other odds and ends. The bottom pouch outside is a great catch all and is easy to get things in and out of. My sunglasses have a hard case so they stay there, with some other things like an 18650 flashlight, spare boot laces, etc. The other two vertical pouches have my calculator, cables, and stuff like that. The other center pouch, over the bottle pouch, has a small notebook and my Bluetooth earbuds, cable, charging cable, and some single use pills (aspirin, sinus, Tylenol).


Overall, having had TAD, Vertx, Filson, and a few others, I feel bad for avoiding these guys for so long. All that said, the new TAD Axiom 24 has some tweaks that pull it closer to the TB.

[Doc_Glock]

Right off the bat, the comments people made online about the TB straps are all true. I hadn't imagined I'd give a fuck at all because they're just straps. Nope, they're perfect.

I finally got a chance to move and organize all my crap from my old, dear bag to the Synik this weekend. Felt kind of big. Annoying to thread the laces on the zippers myself, but glad to have the option. I chose to use them to avoid the jingling of the metal pulls.

First success: I was able to find batteries for a kid in the dark without a lot of trouble.

Second success: Walked 2.5 miles to work today after wife added four 1.5lb tins of Christmas cookies to my typical 8lb load. It swallowed the tins nicely, but what really impressed me was how comfortable this bag was "rucking" in to work. Wow. The straps and overall design of the back are something else.

I think I have a new bag. Need to go a 12 mile day with it to be sure.

I did end up returning the organization slip. It was nicely designed but I didn't need it for $50.

[EdHKVP9]

Has anyone looked at or have experience with the Blue Force Gear Tracer pack? I like the idea of the velcro lining, allows for pouches to be configured based upon ones needs. It looks like the slightly smaller Jedburgh pack is sold out. The price seems good.

https://www.blueforcegear.com/tracer-pack

[Casey]

I’m also following this thread with interest. I’m looking for a smallish daypack (20L on the high end) to carry a few essentials when I’m out and about: packable rain shell, trauma and booboo kits, phone charger/battery bank, flashlight, multitool, small notebook, couple pens, couple spare pistol mags, Kindle, iPad or 13” laptop, and an 18oz insulated bottle. Looking at the Vertx Ready 2.0, Tom Bihn Luminary 15, Alpha One Niner Evade 1.5 Lite, and the LBT Low-Vis Day Pack.

Ready pack is at the upper limit of my size range, and may encourage overpacking. While a relatively non-tactical looking pack, it’s still a Vertx pack and not completely discreet. I wouldn’t carry off-body, but the CCW compartment would be a good dedicated spot for pistol mags without them being exposed when opening other compartments on the bag in public.

Luminary is definitely the most non-tactical bag of the bunch, which really appeals to me. Less built-in organization than the Ready pack, but can be outfitted with additional pouches from TB and others. However, I don’t know that I’m thrilled about digging through pouches within pouches to access individual items. No external bottle pockets is a con, although there is an internal divider that can be configured as a bottle holder. On the smaller end of the spectrum, which discourages overloading the pack.

Evade 1.5 is more tactical looking than I prefer with the loop field on the exterior of the pack, which stands out even when covered up. Also a little more complicated with load lifters and compression straps (I believe the latter are removable). Simplicity is a big selling point for me—I’m not rucking with this or carrying it for long periods of time. This is one of the bigger packs on the list. External bottle pockets are a plus. Excellent built-in organization and CCW compartment.

Low-Vis Day Pack is the smallest of the bunch and has a relatively slick exterior which means less stuff to snag on things when getting into and out of the car. Has external bottle pockets. Very sparse on organization with two external slip pockets and a laptop sleeve in the main compartment, so I’d want some sort of additional organizer pouch to keep the small items organized. In the slate blue color, looks pretty non-tactical to me, and the LBT tag would be obscured by having a bottle in one of the side pockets. Lightweight compared to the others.

After typing this out, I think I can eliminate the Evade from contention. It’s more bag than I need or want. That still leaves me with three solid options. Any other good candidates out there that haven’t been mentioned yet?

[DamonL]

Has anyone tried the Sentry Tumalo pack? It looks like it could work, too.

https://hexmagstore.com/sentry-tumalo-extreme-highly-weather-resistant/

[vcdgrips]

Casey,
Other than price (200 v 140) , have you considered the Synapse 19 by Tom Bihn. Lots of built in organization and a bit bigger than the Luminary (19L v 15 L) ?

Let us know what you do.

[Casey]

Casey,
Other than price (200 v 140) , have you considered the Synapse 19 by Tom Bihn. Lots of built in organization and a bit bigger than the Luminary (19L v 15 L) ?

Let us know what you do.
Hadn’t looked too hard at that one, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

[Doc_Glock]

Hadn’t looked too hard at that one, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

I was just going to recommend that one. As a first time Tom Bihn owner it’s hard not to quickly become a fan.

[Casey]

Well, after spending probably 20+ hours researching bags over the past few days, I ended up ordering the very first bag I looked at, the Vertx EDC Ready Pack. Go figure. If it doesn’t work out, I’ll probably end up going the Tom Bihn route. Already owning a few Vertx bags, and liking them, I could pretty easily picture exactly how I would load out the Ready. With the TB stuff, I would have to get a bit more creative with how I would arrange things.

While doing my research, I happened across this YouTuber, who does pretty funny, thorough bag reviews (among other things). Worth a look if you’re in the market: https://www.youtube.com/user/chasereeves

[rob_s]

Pretty cool guide editions of the Synik and synapse coming
https://www.tombihn.com/blogs/main/guidesedition

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[rob_s]

looks like that pre-order is still active. I'm damn tempted, I just can't decide between the blue, grey, or possibly even green.

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[orionz06]

I think this a fine time, Rob, to report back that I've got half a dozen flights with SHOT and a work trip or two in, and the TB is proving to be better and better.

I really resisted the organization comments, but now I can't believe how dumb I was to think I could do better. Adapting to their pocket arrangement was stupid easy and the bag wears well and just works. I showed it off to a few friends in Vegas, all wanted a clean bag that didn't look like they belonged at SHOT, and all were immediately impressed with how it felt and carried.

[rob_s]

I think this a fine time, Rob, to report back that I've got half a dozen flights with SHOT and a work trip or two in, and the TB is proving to be better and better.

I really resisted the organization comments, but now I can't believe how dumb I was to think I could do better. Adapting to their pocket arrangement was stupid easy and the bag wears well and just works. I showed it off to a few friends in Vegas, all wanted a clean bag that didn't look like they belonged at SHOT, and all were immediately impressed with how it felt and carried.

Thoughts, now, on the 30 vs the 22? Are you carrying a laptop (I won't be, in this bag, just an iPad).

[orionz06]

Dell XPS 15 and an Amazon Fire HD 7. I am always always always gonna be a sucker for the larger bag empty over a small bag full. Again, to commend TB, this bag doesn't suffer nearly as much as others do. I loved my Vertx Gamut Plus, but it was a bitch if not a little full. It didn't carry well at all underloaded.

[Blades]

looks like that pre-order is still active. I'm damn tempted, I just can't decide between the blue, grey, or possibly even green.

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The grey one is nice(I don't need a new bag! I don't need a new bag!)

[vcdgrips]

I would go 30 and grey. You don't have to fill it, but you cannot add more room. 13 x20 x 8 on the 30L.

The 22 is 11.4 x 16 x 7.1. That seems to consign the 22L bag to EDC only without the added ability to do 1-3 night one bag travel with the 30 L.


As I have said before Tom Bihn is like the Tom Givens of bags. Great stuff, learned from the masters, constant innovation. A well thought out rationale for everything.

If I was a road warrior, I suspect that something from Tom Bihn would be a go to component of the system.


FWIW

[rob_s]

I would go 30 and grey. You don't have to fill it, but you cannot add more room. 13 x20 x 8 on the 30L.

The 22 is 11.4 x 16 x 7.1. That seems to consign the 22L bag to EDC only without the added ability to do 1-3 night one bag travel with the 30 L.

EDC is all I'll ever do with this. I'm not interested in "minimalist" travel stuff like that with a bag like this. I'd be looking for a completely different setup in that situation.

the fact that the Synik is still over 2.5 lbs gives me more pause than the cost, frankly. I don't want to push that even further in the wrong direction. In Florida, it seems every ounce of weight of pack leads to another gallon of sweat and an exponential increase in the annoyance and aggravation.

Maybe I just need to stay with the Synapse. Same weight as the Synik 22 but same size as Synik 30.

Synik 22 Dimensions: 11.4" (w) x 16.0" (h) x 7.1" - 9.4" (d)
Synapse 25 Dimensions: 13.4" (w) x 20" (h) x 9" (d)
Synik 30 Dimensions: 13.4" (w) x 20.0" (h) x 8.0" - 10.8" (d)

[farscott]

Like a lot of people, I have a fair amount of luggage, some of which I rarely use and some of which gets used quite often. As either needs change or new requirements occur, adaption is necessary. Once again, that is where I found myself.

After a few weeks of travelling where TSA selected my luggage for secondary screening on both the outgoing and return legs making for some hurried travels and a few shortened layovers due to weather and/or maintenance issues, I opted for a new bag. At first I thought it was just me, but almost everyone was being selected for secondary screening, and it took twenty minutes to clear security after first walking through the metal detector. It took me almost ninety minutes from start (get in line) to finish on the return leg due to the number of people receiving secondary screenings. The items of concern in my luggage were Apple Lightning cables and an unopened package of baby wipes. I was also checked for explosives residue. My best guess is there is some intelligence which resulted in the increased vigilance as I have Global Entry, do not look like the "typical terrorist", and know how to pack.

For the last several years, I have traveled with a five-inch Zero Halliburton case for my laptop and business meeting needs and a small roller bag for clothes and toiletries. The briefcase has been in use for more than thirty years and has traveled to and on four continents as well as an untold number of domestic trips. It has even been pressed into service as a seat on a factory floor. About ten years ago, my wife modified the interior to hold a laptop sleeve. All in all, it is a very secure piece of luggage, albeit a heavy one at almost eight pounds empty. With a laptop, charger, charging cables, spare batteries, headphones, flashlights, eyeglasses, small first-aid kit, and personal items, it weighs about sixteen pounds. It does not have a shoulder strap, so one hand is dedicated to the briefcase. That leaves the other hand for the roller bag. In a pinch, one hand can control both the briefcase and the roller bag, but it is not comfortable.

The tipping point for a new bag was the overhead bin being too small for my roller bag on some of the newer planes, causing me to gate check the bag, and my briefcase not fitting under the aisle seat. The briefcase issue is due to the addition of seat electronics (touch screen and USB charging) and narrower seats taking needed width. So it ended up in the overhead bin, meaning access during flight was problematic.

In any event, I opted for a Synik 30, with two use cases. I like the squarer (versus usual backpacks with tapered tops) form factor, the new straps, the clam shell opening for both TSA and my access, the interior straps, and the integral laptop sleeve. For a short (two-day or less) trip, the Synik can hold my laptop as well as two changes of clothing. The laptop can be removed via a side entry opening, so it is suitable for customer visits. It is also five pounds lighter. For longer trips (up to one week) or trips where laptop security is paramount, the briefcase will go along with the Synik or I can use a roller bag with the Synik if I am willing to gate check. For longer trips, I tend to use hotel dry-cleaning services, so the Synik should cover almost all of my clothing needs. I will also be using the Synik for EDC to and from the office, especially in inclement weather as opposed to my current Coach brief bag.

[Doc_Glock]

looks like that pre-order is still active. I'm damn tempted, I just can't decide between the blue, grey, or possibly even green.


I am still digging the Synik 30. Quite a bit. I have probably walked 50 miles with it at this point. Highly recommended.

[rob_s]

Synik 22 Dimensions: 11.4" (w) x 16.0" (h) x 7.1" - 9.4" (d)
Synapse 25 Dimensions: 13.4" (w) x 20" (h) x 9" (d)
Synik 30 Dimensions: 13.4" (w) x 20.0" (h) x 8.0" - 10.8" (d)

Pretty sure this is the bag (https://www.alphaoneniner.com/collections/bags-cases/products/recon-nine-evade-backpack) I have now that I'm not happy with in the long run. Interesting to note...
Dimensions: 12" (W)(at base, tapers to 10" top) x 18.5" (H) x 6" (D)

so it falls kind of between the Synik 22 and Synapse 25/Synik 30. I don't know that want something bigger than what I have now...

[Doc_Glock]

I have so many (too many) backpacks that I’m happy with but I won’t lie, you guys are tempting me to buy one of these things.

I get that. It isn’t ground breaking but I love the non tactical vibe it sends off.

Just make sure your drink in the water bottle pocket doesn’t leak. It goes all over everything in the bag when it does.

[Doc_Glock]

After 2.5 months with the Synik 30 I finally got to ride a bike with it. I used the waist strap for the first time in this application as parts of my ride are pretty rough and I like the stability.

It worked I would say, okay. But I didn’t like it and I can tell the bag is really not designed with a waist strap in mind. The base of the bag is simply too wide and the the bag felt overly big. It would be fine for smoother city biking. Plus I like a hydration bladder when riding if I can get one and this bag does not allow for
that. The water bottle pouch is extremely secure though.

The experience of riding to work in winter did convince me I absolutely need a 30L pack, mainly to carry all the layers I shed for the trip home. A smaller pack may work in other seasons.

It isn’t the do all bag I was hoping for although it performs pretty brilliantly for walking. I realized the same removable waist strap will work on the old Linchpin, so I am swapping the gear back to that bag for a season. We’ll see if I miss this expensive very high quality Bihn back. The Linchpin seems trimmer, but it’s just overly busy with straps everywhere.

The Synik shows absolutely no wear after two and a half months use.

[rob_s]

Pretty sure this is the bag (https://www.alphaoneniner.com/collections/bags-cases/products/recon-nine-evade-backpack) I have now that I'm not happy with in the long run. Interesting to note...
Dimensions: 12" (W)(at base, tapers to 10" top) x 18.5" (H) x 6" (D)

so it falls kind of between the Synik 22 and Synapse 25/Synik 30. I don't know that want something bigger than what I have now...

Packed for a weekend yesterday in the current bag. Pretty much convinced me that I probably need two packs (at least). When we get home I’m going to look in the shop at all the ninja-shit I have stored. I think I may have an Eagle aiii that’s probably ten or fifteen years old I’m curious to play with.

Also in the post-Covid environment, I’m somewhat interested to test the limits of my ability to work remotely, which may make me explore some other bag options. If I can leave Thursday night to go spend a fri-mon at a private beach house with my family and work remotely while there, why not? I would want a pack that can carry a weekends worth of close and my 16x10x1 laptop and iPad Pro, and some minimal accessories along with my clothes and toothbrush and I should be good.

It’s really kind of annoying that the Synik 30, which to me is a large bag, can’t accommodate my laptop

Maximum device dimensions for the laptop compartment:
14.15” x 9.75” x 0.75” / 359mm x 248mm x 19mm

[rob_s]

Decided to look at the Bihn Brain Bag. Seems like a big nope


https://youtu.be/WJgiUXe5Jzc

[rob_s]

Back to finding myself never carrying the bag, just pulling the bare minimum out of it. Came to a bit of a head yesterday when I needed a tool that I knew I have in the bag but didn't have the bag because the bag sucks. Mostly that it's too heavy, and the straps are annoying.

I'm thinking of going to two bags, one of which may be a sling. Considering this guy. Looks like I can leave it packed with some stuff, cycle some other stuff in and out. The fact that the main pouch holds an iPad is a big consideration.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087HCGFL3/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A2PEZLSYVM5B4L&psc=1

[Guerrero]

Back to finding myself never carrying the bag, just pulling the bare minimum out of it. Came to a bit of a head yesterday when I needed a tool that I knew I have in the bag but didn't have the bag because the bag sucks. Mostly that it's too heavy, and the straps are annoying.

I'm thinking of going to two bags, one of which may be a sling. Considering this guy. Looks like I can leave it packed with some stuff, cycle some other stuff in and out. The fact that the main pouch holds an iPad is a big consideration.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087HCGFL3/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A2PEZLSYVM5B4L&psc=1

No experience with them personally, but I hear that TIMBUK2 bags are supposed to be good.

I'm still digging my Maxpedition Pygmy Falcon II, though it is a bit heavy. Of course, I think I may need to get rid of some of the stuff in it.


[humor]At this point the operative question is, "Can you fit a SIG Rattler in it?"[\humor]

[rob_s]

No experience with them personally, but I hear that TIMBUK2 bags are supposed to be good.


[humor]At this point the operative question is, "Can you fit a SIG Rattler in it?"[\humor]

that is one attractive aspect for me. My current work bag is a Timbuk2 briefcase as is my previous one.

[El Cid]

Back to finding myself never carrying the bag, just pulling the bare minimum out of it. Came to a bit of a head yesterday when I needed a tool that I knew I have in the bag but didn't have the bag because the bag sucks. Mostly that it's too heavy, and the straps are annoying.

I'm thinking of going to two bags, one of which may be a sling. Considering this guy. Looks like I can leave it packed with some stuff, cycle some other stuff in and out. The fact that the main pouch holds an iPad is a big consideration.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087HCGFL3/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A2PEZLSYVM5B4L&psc=1

Rob have you seen this one? I like that it clamshells.
https://www.amazon.com/US-PeaceKeeper-P51320-Sling-Pack/dp/B01N6JKXUI

[Dave T]

I keep checking back on this thread, hoping someone will come up with an acceptable bag for me. I'm and old, busted and broken retired deputy who looks stupid trying to play tacti-cool with nylon, mole, web anything. Nothing more pathetic than a fat, old guy trying to look like some kind of operator. People just point and laugh.

Still searching (smile),
Dave

[Dave Williams]

https://vertx.com/tourist-sling

How about this. Essentially it’s a big fanny pack you sling over your shoulder. It’s got a large pull tab. It’s got compartments that you can put armor plates in. It can quickly transition from a sling bag into a chest rig. It’s pretty slick.

[rob_s]

https://vertx.com/tourist-sling

How about this. Essentially it’s a big fanny pack you sling over your shoulder. It’s got a large pull tab. It’s got compartments that you can put armor plates in. It can quickly transition from a sling bag into a chest rig. It’s pretty slick.

this particular bag is a little more "purse" like than I'd want in this situation, but it did get me looking around at their other slings. But again I run up against the weight issue. Even that sling weighs about what my original pack weighed!

Started to get excited about this one, but it's >3lbs empty!
https://vertx.com/commuter-sling-2-0

[rob_s]

Back to finding myself never carrying the bag, just pulling the bare minimum out of it. Came to a bit of a head yesterday when I needed a tool that I knew I have in the bag but didn't have the bag because the bag sucks. Mostly that it's too heavy, and the straps are annoying.

I'm thinking of going to two bags, one of which may be a sling. Considering this guy. Looks like I can leave it packed with some stuff, cycle some other stuff in and out. The fact that the main pouch holds an iPad is a big consideration.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087HCGFL3/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A2PEZLSYVM5B4L&psc=1

Kinda interested in this guy too, from another non-tactical messenger bag company
https://www.chromeindustries.com/product/mxd-link-sling/BG-304.html?dwvar_BG-304_color=BKBS&dwvar_BG-304_size=NA&cgid=mxd_travel_collection

[vcdgrips]

That Chrome bag has a lot of organization re sub pockets which is always nice.

On sale at 94. made in the USA. 16x11x4.5. Will fit a 13 inch laptop with ease. 3 way bag (brief/shoulder strap/stow a way backpack straps)


https://topodesigns.com/collections/crossbody-bags/products/commuter-briefcase-sale?variant=32217504972853

https://topodesigns.com/collections/crossbody-bags/products/commuter-briefcase-duck-brown

[JTQ]

I keep checking back on this thread, hoping someone will come up with an acceptable bag for me. I'm and old, busted and broken retired deputy who looks stupid trying to play tacti-cool with nylon, mole, web anything. Nothing more pathetic than a fat, old guy trying to look like some kind of operator. People just point and laugh.

Still searching (smile),
Dave
We have a few bags from Port Canvas https://www.portcanvas.com

Edit to add: When I travel, I throw a bunch of stuff, flashlight, glasses, knife, pen, notebook, maps, etc, in an LL Bean small canvas bag https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/516672?page=bags-and-totes&csp=f&nav=gnro-hp

[Crazy Dane]

https://fishpondusa.com/lodgepole-fishing-satchel-peat-moss

I was considering this one when I realized a messenger style bag was not my cup of tea.

https://www.govx.com/p/108469/crosshatch-sling-pack

This is what i carry now and I actually carry it. it does draw any undue attention in stores, restaurants and such.

[rob_s]

I'm thinking of going to two bags, one of which may be a sling. Considering this guy. Looks like I can leave it packed with some stuff, cycle some other stuff in and out. The fact that the main pouch holds an iPad is a big consideration.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087HCGFL3/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A2PEZLSYVM5B4L&psc=1


Kinda interested in this guy too, from another non-tactical messenger bag company
https://www.chromeindustries.com/product/mxd-link-sling/BG-304.html?dwvar_BG-304_color=BKBS&dwvar_BG-304_size=NA&cgid=mxd_travel_collection

Found another Chrome bag that I really want to like. I've always like the aesthetic of the seatbelt buckle
https://www.chromeindustries.com/product/kadet-sling-bag/BG-196.html?dwvar_BG-196_color=RGTO&dwvar_BG-196_size=NA&cgid=view_all_bags

Ultimately though I think I'm still leaning towards the Timbuk2 linked-to above. It's just shy of 1 lbs, seems to have some decent partitioning, and appears to be capable of carrying my iPad as well as my other gear.

I like the Chrome MXD Link as there appears to be more built-in organization, but the weight is the tradeoff there.

[Doc_Glock]

Found another Chrome bag that I really want to like. I've always like the aesthetic of the seatbelt buckle
https://www.chromeindustries.com/product/kadet-sling-bag/BG-196.html?dwvar_BG-196_color=RGTO&dwvar_BG-196_size=NA&cgid=view_all_bags

Ultimately though I think I'm still leaning towards the Timbuk2 linked-to above. It's just shy of 1 lbs, seems to have some decent partitioning, and appears to be capable of carrying my iPad as well as my other gear.

I like the Chrome MXD Link as there appears to be more built-in organization, but the weight is the tradeoff there.

I rode with a Chrome Citizen for many years. Durable, way overbuilt, heavy. Went back to backpacks for the most part.

[javemtr]

Ever considered any of the Evergoods packs? https://evergoods.us/collections/packs
I have a CPL24 that I am very happy with. Also prominently displayed in the new Lucky Gunner video about backpack guns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq9AV0LAMdk&t=1152s

[rob_s]

On the "sling bag" side of things, had need for a small "fanny pack" type of bag twice in one weekend, so came home and got one of these. Haven't carried it yet but seems legit so far.
https://www.aersf.com/city-sling-black

[Joe S]

On the "sling bag" side of things, had need for a small "fanny pack" type of bag twice in one weekend, so came home and got one of these. Haven't carried it yet but seems legit so far.
https://www.aersf.com/city-sling-black

I really like my Mystery Ranch Hip Monkey for this.

[Doc_Glock]

Appropos of nothing, my son ordered a camera bag from Peak Designs and I have to say their attention to detail, fabrics, zippers, pockets etc is absolutely first rate! I could just fondle the thing for quite some time. I have never been so impressed with a bag.


https://www.peakdesign.com/

[rob_s]

Appropos of nothing, my son ordered a camera bag from Peak Designs and I have to say their attention to detail, fabrics, zippers, pockets etc is absolutely first rate! I could just fondle the thing for quite some time. I have never been so impressed with a bag.


https://www.peakdesign.com/

their stuff is awesome. I wish some of it worked for me.

[Hieronymous]

Appropos of nothing, my son ordered a camera bag from Peak Designs and I have to say their attention to detail, fabrics, zippers, pockets etc is absolutely first rate! I could just fondle the thing for quite some time. I have never been so impressed with a bag.


https://www.peakdesign.com/

If my rattler ever arrives, I’ve thought camera back packs could make a great choice. Been looking at Thule too.

[Rex G]

I love Peak Designs Slide straps, as a way to support a serious pro-level camera/lens combo. I have several, and have been using the oldest of them regularly since at least 2015. I am less sure, however, of the durability of their sling bags and back packs, as some users have reported problems at such sites as the forums at Digital Photography Review.

Think Tank does make some very durable packs and cases, for photographers.

[Doc_Glock]

My bag junkie kid who has much better taste than me said that if you aren’t a camera nerd you are better off with a Nomatic bag.

Their Travel Pack 20-30l looks intriguing. I need a pack that will convert to a belt and their removable belt is pretty killer.

https://www.nomatic.com/products/the-nomatic-travel-pack

But the Tom Bihn sits unused while the CamelBak still gets the nod daily.

[Doc_Glock]

My bag junkie kid who has much better taste than me said that if you aren’t a camera nerd you are better off with a Nomatic bag.

Their Travel Pack 20-30l looks intriguing. I need a pack that will convert to a belt and their removable belt is pretty killer.

https://www.nomatic.com/products/the-nomatic-travel-pack

But the Tom Bihn sits unused while the CamelBak still gets the nod daily.

The Nomatic Travel Pack just went $100 off and is bundled with the $25 waist strap today. Ordered one.

Looks like today only.


https://youtu.be/jkRHBH54DAw

[rob_s]

On the "sling bag" side of things, had need for a small "fanny pack" type of bag twice in one weekend, so came home and got one of these. Haven't carried it yet but seems legit so far.
https://www.aersf.com/city-sling-black

got some samples of mini-stuff to make my man purse more purse-like. In addition to the pills and band-aids I'd already added, got the following to stock it up. Tried to opt for lighter color items so that I can find them in the bag more easily.

OFF! Deep Woods Mosquito and Insect Repellent Wipes, Long lasting, Individually Wrapped Wipes, 3-pack (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008LWC7Q4/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_0r8yFbGTQ05GQ)

POWERADD EnergyCell 5000 High-Speed Charging Portable Charger, The Lightest 5000mAh Slim Power Bank with 2.4A Output, for iPhone 11 XS X 8 Plus Samsung S10 Google LG iPad and More（White） (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0862231VG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_cs8yFbNJX432V)

Banana Boat Sport Sunscreen, SPF 30 Protection lotion, Travel Packets 24 Packs (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K58Q39Y/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_ds8yFbTBG1TF3)

Rite in the Rain All-Weather EDC Pen, Orange POKKA 2-Pack, Black 0.9mm Ink, Fine Point (No. OR92) (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JFS4NVY/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_fs8yFb0GJH125)

3Pack Multi USB Cable, 1ft Multi Charger Cable Premium Short Multi Charging Cable Nylon Braided 3 in 1 Charging Cable Adapter with Type-C,Micro USB Port Connectors for Cell Phones and More (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y5XVWSM/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_fs8yFbPK0QV3F)

Streamlight 66608 250 Lumen Microstream USB Rechargeable Flashlight with 5" USB Cord Clamshell Packaging, Coyote (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DLZXZV1/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_Vv8yFbBK3S3ES)

[randyho]

got some samples of mini-stuff to make my man purse more purse-like. In addition to the pills and band-aids I'd already added, got the following to stock it up. Tried to opt for lighter color items so that I can find them in the bag more easily.

OFF! Deep Woods Mosquito and Insect Repellent Wipes, Long lasting, Individually Wrapped Wipes, 3-pack (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008LWC7Q4/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_0r8yFbGTQ05GQ)

POWERADD EnergyCell 5000 High-Speed Charging Portable Charger, The Lightest 5000mAh Slim Power Bank with 2.4A Output, for iPhone 11 XS X 8 Plus Samsung S10 Google LG iPad and More（White） (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0862231VG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_cs8yFbNJX432V)

Banana Boat Sport Sunscreen, SPF 30 Protection lotion, Travel Packets 24 Packs (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K58Q39Y/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_ds8yFbTBG1TF3)

Rite in the Rain All-Weather EDC Pen, Orange POKKA 2-Pack, Black 0.9mm Ink, Fine Point (No. OR92) (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JFS4NVY/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_fs8yFb0GJH125)

3Pack Multi USB Cable, 1ft Multi Charger Cable Premium Short Multi Charging Cable Nylon Braided 3 in 1 Charging Cable Adapter with Type-C,Micro USB Port Connectors for Cell Phones and More (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y5XVWSM/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_fs8yFbPK0QV3F)

Streamlight 66608 250 Lumen Microstream USB Rechargeable Flashlight with 5" USB Cord Clamshell Packaging, Coyote (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DLZXZV1/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_Vv8yFbBK3S3ES)
You would think the market would be flooded with those wanting to fill this market gap.
You aren't shopping for a bag; you're shopping for a sewing machine. I recommend a singer 66.

[Shawnw]

Rob_s, how many kids do you have? Just curious. I used to carry all the same stuff around (bug spray, sunscreen, sharpies, etc.) everywhere with my first kid. By kid 3 all that stuff stays in the vehicle if I bring it at all. Turns out, for me anyway, life is way easier and outings are more enjoyable/less stressful not lugging all that crap around.

[rob_s]

Rob_s, how many kids do you have? Just curious. I used to carry all the same stuff around (bug spray, sunscreen, sharpies, etc.) everywhere with my first kid. By kid 3 all that stuff stays in the vehicle if I bring it at all. Turns out, for me anyway, life is way easier and outings are more enjoyable/less stressful not lugging all that crap around.

two girls, currently 9 and 12.

what makes you think that stuff is for them? ;)

[rob_s]

Pretty funny, the updated version of my current backpack just won the Carryology award for best daily carry.

https://www.carryology.com/projects/carry-awards/best-everyday-bag-winners-2020/

I think they are out of their tree that a 4.5 lbs bag is a great everyday. Although I suppose most of the owners are carrying it the 20ft from the house to the car and ether 50ft from the car to their desk.

[Wheeler]

Pretty funny, the updated version of my current backpack just won the Carryology award for best daily carry.

https://www.carryology.com/projects/carry-awards/best-everyday-bag-winners-2020/

I think they are out of their tree that a 4.5 lbs bag is a great everyday. Although I suppose most of the owners are carrying it the 20ft from the house to the car and ether 50ft from the car to their desk.

Those are some really weak write-ups on their choices.

[rob_s]

Those are some really weak write-ups on their choices.

that's just the summary of the results. you can search the site and find more detailed reviews of all those bags. There are things about this newer version that I'd absolutely like to have over the way mine is designed, but I'm not going with a bag that 4+lbs empty.
https://www.carryology.com/reviews-2/alpha-one-niner-evade-1-5-review/

[Doc_Glock]

Short review of the Nomatic Travel Pack after living with it for a few weeks. Have walked with it for 50-75 miles and ridden bike with it probably 6 hours.

Overall I think it is a winner. Durability to be determined. I came to this pack after about ten years with a Camelbak Linchpin 32.5L. I wanted a pack that had similar size, good comfort while walking, and had a convertible waist strap for riding a bike. I don't use the waist strap while walking. The Linchpin has been hard to replace and I have tried with a GR1 and Tom Bihn Synik.

The Nomatic Travel pack may be the new bag.

Likes:
It stands up when set down.
Lots of pockets and organization
Room for a water bladder
Comfortable rucking up to about 17 lbs which is all I have used.
Waist belt works okay for riding a bike, connection system is brilliant.
Styling.

Negatives:
I don't know, but it seems frail. I don't think this bag will hold up over time and use. Time will tell.
Too much organization makes it hard to find stuff. It's a bit busy. It is kind of the opposite of the GR1 in this respect.
Heavy due to so many pockets and zippers.
Waist strap way too wide with useless pockets that will dig in to side if they ever are used for anything.

Overall I am happy with the bag but I got it on sale which makes a huge difference. Compared to a similar priced Tom Bihn, the quality difference is palpable. I just didn't like the TB bag's ability to convert to waist straps.

[rob_s]

On the "sling bag" side of things, had need for a small "fanny pack" type of bag twice in one weekend, so came home and got one of these. Haven't carried it yet but seems legit so far.
https://www.aersf.com/city-sling-black

Scootered and walked all around St Augustine yesterday. This thing is totally a winner so far!

Might could do with an armpit strap in some instances but I’m learning to predict and pre-empt the slide when carrying it.

[rob_s]

After a few hours hiking this past week, and several more hours ahead of me, I’m back on the hunt for a new backpack. Basic criteria...

Under 2 lbs empty
External water bottle sleeve(s)
Small, externally accessible, pouch (sunglasses, phone, meds)
At least some amount of internal compartmentalization (preferably without having to add additional parts)
Good airflow in the back (new requirement from this week)
No external mole or other tactical indicators
detachable/storable waist belt (if it has one at all)

[ST911]

After a few hours hiking this past week, and several more hours ahead of me, I’m back on the hunt for a new backpack. Basic criteria...

Under 2 lbs empty
External water bottle sleeve(s)
Small, externally accessible, pouch (sunglasses, phone, meds)
At least some amount of internal compartmentalization (preferably without having to add additional parts)
Good airflow in the back (new requirement from this week)
No external mole or other tactical indicators
detachable/storable waist belt (if it has one at all)



You didn't mention capacity, but anticipating multi-use. Mystery Ranch Scree immediately comes to mind. 32L, packs a little bigger and carries a little smaller depending on you. Just a little over 2lb, but you could make that up. Non-mil look, several color options available. Great bag.

https://www.mysteryranch.com/scree-pack

[rob_s]

You didn't mention capacity, but anticipating multi-use. Mystery Ranch Scree immediately comes to mind. 32L, packs a little bigger and carries a little smaller depending on you. Just a little over 2lb, but you could make that up. Non-mil look, several color options available. Great bag.

https://www.mysteryranch.com/scree-pack

I've looked at these before and that y-front is kind of hard to wrap my head around.

re: capacity I'm hoping for 30L max.

I'll have to watch some vids on it.

[Guerrero]

If rob_s ever finds *the* bag, we should all get one, because it will be awesome.

;)

[rob_s]

You didn't mention capacity, but anticipating multi-use. Mystery Ranch Scree immediately comes to mind. 32L, packs a little bigger and carries a little smaller depending on you. Just a little over 2lb, but you could make that up. Non-mil look, several color options available. Great bag.

https://www.mysteryranch.com/scree-pack


I've looked at these before and that y-front is kind of hard to wrap my head around.

re: capacity I'm hoping for 30L max.

I'll have to watch some vids on it.

Looks like there's also a 25L Coulee
https://www.mysteryranch.com/coulee-25-pack

[Blades]

I've looked at these before and that y-front is kind of hard to wrap my head around.

re: capacity I'm hoping for 30L max.

I'll have to watch some vids on it.

The Y front is great, easy to use. Need a top opening bag? got it. Need a front opening bag? got it. Need a clamshell opening bag? got it. I had one and wish I had kept it(I always have too many bags).

[ST911]

Looks like there's also a 25L Coulee
https://www.mysteryranch.com/coulee-25-pack

That would be too small for me, but I'd expect the same functionality and quality.

[rob_s]

this thing doesn't tik all the boxes, but it does check off a lot of them. I wish the front panel was slightly more divided up, and there's no sunglasses pocket but there is a (perhaps bit too large) quick access pocket in the very front with a vertical zipper.
https://www.rei.com/product/117962/patagonia-refugio-28l-pack

https://www.rei.com/media/8b6fa7b9-96ff-49be-828a-5007d1175082?size=784x588

[rob_s]

Another possibility I seem to have previously missed

The North Face Borealis 28L Backpack
(https://www.backcountry.com/the-north-face-borealis-backpack-1770cu-in?CMP_ID=PD_GOc001BR&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PSBR&rmatt=tsid:1042759|cid:293093179|agid:20623119859| tid:aud-926897442619:dsa-125352104419|crid:421150934873|nw:g|rnd:1485984735 5713558964|dvc:c|adp:|mt:b|loc:9012000&iv_=__iv_p_1_g_20623119859_c_421150934873_w_aud-926897442619:dsa-125352104419_n_g_d_c_v__l__t__r__x__y__f__o__z__i_ _j__s__e__h_9012000_ii__vi__&k_clickid=_k_Cj0KCQiA962BBhCzARIsAIpWEL2cOO6yZTA-gsQM0fcw6TeUdbW-2jW6Kx1kxXdjn2FFtH1a6-88Ww4aAiP3EALw_wcB_k_&CMP_ID=PD_GOc001BR&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PSBR&k_clickid=_k_Cj0KCQiA962BBhCzARIsAIpWEL2cOO6yZTA-gsQM0fcw6TeUdbW-2jW6Kx1kxXdjn2FFtH1a6-88Ww4aAiP3EALw_wcB_k_&gclid=Cj0KCQiA962BBhCzARIsAIpWEL2cOO6yZTA-gsQM0fcw6TeUdbW-2jW6Kx1kxXdjn2FFtH1a6-88Ww4aAiP3EALw_wcB)

https://content.backcountry.com/images/items/900/TNF/TNF04D9/ZIGRDAHETNBL.jpg

[vcdgrips]

Respectfully, I cannot help but think that the goalposts keep moving on this project.

Query #1- did you every buy anything to date?

If so-what was it?

Why does it not work?

My answers in bold.

Under 2 lbs empty-
(There are literally dozens of relatively fungible models across multiple makers)


External water bottle sleeve(s)
(See Above)

Small, externally accessible, pouch (sunglasses, phone, meds)(See Above)


At least some amount of internal compartmentalization
(preferably without having to add additional parts) (See Above)

Good airflow in the back (new requirement from this week)
(Based on 7 BSA Summer camps of 10 days in Mid Mo in July/ 70+ monthly campouts/Seabase/Philmont and carrying a 3 day assault pack as my primary EDC for my entire professional career, "airflow" is much more a difference in degree v kind. A quality wicking garment and proper hydration is far more important IMHO. Perspiration on the back is simply the cost of doing business


No external mole or other tactical indicators
(Copy and See Above)

a detachable/storable waist belt (if it has one at all)
(Copy. See Above. The consequence of this "requirement" means that you have maxed your load at 15-20 lbs since minimal belt/no belt will not transfer any weight to the hips.)

As Mission Drives the Gear and I am not hearing anything remarkable about the mission, I would buy something from Osprey and move on.

Why Osprey-

Quality Kit
Lifetime NO BS Warranty (Allmighty Guarantee-any product, any reason, any era.)
Widely Available
Well Priced
NOT made in the PRC

I would respectfully assert the one linked below hits all the marks and is 44.50 on sale from the Osprey Mothership right now.

https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product/daylite-travel-pack-DAYLITRVL_550.html

[rob_s]

For the purchase and experience history, one may read back through the thread.

I’ve gone over and over the Osprey page(s) looking for something I think would work, and have t seen anything yet. That Daylite Travel is probably the closest one, but there’s some things I’m not a fan of.

Anyone frustrated or annoyed by the thread (or me) is obviously free not to read or post in it. ;). Particularly if you’re not really getting the context and the humor in it.

[Casual Friday]

A 4 year ongoing quest to find a backpack that fits the needs of a suburban white collar dad that has came full circle to possibly choosing an off the shelf, run of the mill Patagonia or North Face bag? Oh we're getting the humor. We are definitely getting the humor. :D

Have you considered having one of the custom shops make you a bag that fits this exact criteria? It's probably cheaper in the long run and far less mental anguish.

[RevolverRob]

Gregory Miwok - https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/day-packs/miwok-24-111481XXXX.html?dwvar_111481XXXX_color=Reflex%20Bl ue&cgidmaster=packs-day-packs#start=1

I've used a Miwok 18 as a field day pack for 8-years. I have problem 200 miles or more carrying this pack.

Water bottle pockets, waist belt, exterior access pocket, ability to stuff a layer on the outside and lash. Moderate internal organization with interior mesh pockets and hydration bladder pocket. Waist belt isn't stowable that's the only thing missing on your criteria.

[rob_s]

Gregory Miwok - https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/day-packs/miwok-24-111481XXXX.html?dwvar_111481XXXX_color=Reflex%20Bl ue&cgidmaster=packs-day-packs#start=1

I've used a Miwok 18 as a field day pack for 8-years. I have problem 200 miles or more carrying this pack.

Water bottle pockets, waist belt, exterior access pocket, ability to stuff a layer on the outside and lash. Moderate internal organization with interior mesh pockets and hydration bladder pocket. Waist belt isn't stowable that's the only thing missing on your criteria.

I saw that brand on backcountry or something and wasn't familiar with them. Thanks for the recommendation.

The Exode 26 (https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/day-packs/exode-26-121116XXXX.html?dwvar_121116XXXX_color=Ferrous%20O range&cgidmaster=packs-day-packs) and Anode 30 (https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/urban-commuter/anode-30-104091XXXX.html) look interesting too. Appear to be pretty much the same packs as each other with the Anode being 1" thicker and having a front pouch instead of the front bungies that the Exode has.


https://www.gregorypacks.com/dw/image/v2/AAUE_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-product-catalog/default/dwda5b33e5/collections/_gregory/Exode/500x500/GMP-F19-Exode26-ShadowBlack-Front34.jpg?sw=1500&sfrm=png&q=70

https://www.gregorypacks.com/dw/image/v2/AAUE_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-product-catalog/default/dw53d342c9/collections/_gregory/Anode/500x500/1040910614_ANODE_FRONT_ANGLE.jpg?sw=1500&sfrm=jpg&q=70

[rob_s]

A 4 year ongoing quest to find a backpack that fits the needs of a suburban white collar dad that has came full circle to possibly choosing an off the shelf, run of the mill Patagonia or North Face bag? Oh we're getting the humor. We are definitely getting the humor. :D

Have you considered having one of the custom shops make you a bag that fits this exact criteria? It's probably cheaper in the long run and far less mental anguish.

Yeah I think the whole thing comes across as some critical mission shit.

I suppose when you're in an environment where all the other suburban white dads are talking about preparing their fantasy gunfights all the time it's to be expected that they'd assume every topic is mission critical and hyper serious.

it's not like I fucking died at Disney World or on the side of a Georgia mountain because my stupid LARPER pack killed me (much to the chagrin of many here, I'm sure). :p

[vcdgrips]

Because bags are my jam, I will continue to go down this road with you.


Gregory and Osprey have similar mid to late 70's origin stories with the founders not being able to find what they wanted so they started making it themselves. Patagonia is in this realm as well.

What makes Osprey superior in my mind is the warranty.

Gregory-Lifetime with a whole bunch of "Exception, Key, Erasure" limitations language.
https://www.gregorypacks.com/warranty.html

V.

Osprey-Any damage or defect for any reason...
https://www.osprey.com/us/en/customer-support/all-mighty-guarantee

Moreover, Osprey is still privately held with original folks still in the mix. Gregory has been owned by Samsonite since 2014.

North Face, owned by VF Corp forever. Mountain Hardware, breakaway from NF, now owned by Columbia.

Patagonia, privately held, original owner still in the mix. Sometimes called "Patagucci" because of the MSRP on some of their stuff. Guarantee is solid but not as good as wait for it-----Osprey.

ALL of these bags, particularly in this sub 100 space are completely fungible. It simply does not matter day in, day out. Where it might matter is on the back end if you have a warranty claim.

AGAIN, you are stepping over dollars to pick up pennies on this. In this sub 100.00 space there are DOZENS of packs that will work just fine.

Some of your goals seem mutually exclusive. You want a pack with a base weight of under 2 lbs. That really maxes your total weight out at 15-20 lbs, particularly when you want no or a minimal belt.

You want to load the pack up and then NOT deal with sweat, in FLA because you think that there is some magic airflow design that will make a meaningful difference under load at temperature.

You want internal compartmentalization which often means internal zippers which means more weight.

You have been thru at least two packs so far (Vertx and and Alpha 19er) neither of which were appreciable better than the old trusty REI 25L bag.

IMHO and experience, the one brand that is a game changer in this space because built quality, feature set, durability exclusive use of Tier 1 components and well thought out design that I hear again and again is Tom Bihn. That bag for you is likely the Synapse 25. It is 220 plus shipping. Depending on fabric it is just under to right at 2lbs.

Beside price as being a potential deal breaker for you, the water bottle carry area is internal. I would respectfully assert that helps it stay a less hot because it is out of the sun. It also cannot be knocked out as it can from a mesh side pocket .

I acknowledge that you have to de-pack on the move and/or have somebody help you get the water bottle out on the fly or stop altogether. Frankly, you should stop and hydrate anyway. If hydrating on the fly is driving the train then they first thing we should be talking about is water bladder compatibility and that is an entirely different pack.

Looping back- You need a basic daddy bag to replace/augment the REI 25 you have. You say the Vertx and others are too heavy at 3 ish pounds. All things being equal, bags that weigh 3ish pounds carry more and more comfortably than bags that weight 2ish pounds.

You know the best way to not have to worry about the difference between a 2ish pound bag and a 3ish pound bag -IT IS BY BEING 1lbish+ LIGHTER YOURSELF.

Actually...Wearing lighter footwear on your feet is really the way to go as well as 1 lbish pound + on your feet is 5 ish on the back but that is a whole nother rabbit hole...


Look, I get it. My EDC bag is a circa 2005 Eagle Industries 3 Day Assault Pack. It is a bag of bags with a smaller bag containing a FAK, another with writing utensils, another with a flashlight and cords etc. I have an NWOT sling bag from Maxpedition, I never use. Why-because when you load it up, it is not as comfortable as any two strap bag. I have an LAPG Special Edition Maxpedition Falcon. It has more built in organization than the Eagle but is a bit too narrow for my laptop etc.

I have a Bright Teal/Green REI 25 L backpack when I travel because it coordinates with a Patagonia Duffel I have and I can spot that "set" 100 yrds away if it gets piled into a particularly place/room.

Hell, I even have an old school, 1000D cordura black Jansport backpack. I also have 5-6 other 35-45L carry on travel backs that may not be backpacks per se, but are 3 way (backpack/suitcase carry, duffel carry.)

Knowing everything I know now and I wanted to carry what you have said you have wanted to carry (moving goal posts and all) I would STFU, get out the plastic and buy the either the Tom Bihn Synapse 25 or the Synik 30 because the Synik bag can do EDC and 3-5 day business casual, 1 bag travel given its full clamshell opening and slightly bigger size relative to the 3/4 zip Synapse 25.

Edited to add- I find it extraordinarily difficult to believe that between the regular priced items on the Osprey website and the clearance section I linked, you CANNOT find a pack that would work just fine. I would note that even in season Osprey packs, when not on sale at the factory site, can often be found on sale at the usual suspects to include Amazon, REI, Moosejaw and Back Country.

[randyho]

Have you considered having one of the custom shops make you a bag that fits this exact criteria? It's probably cheaper in the long run and far less mental anguish.And it is the only way to ensure bespoke wrong, again and once more.

[Blades]

What makes Osprey superior in my mind is the warranty.


Now I want an Osprey pack...

[rob_s]

Because bags are my jam, I will continue to go down this road with you.


Gregory and Osprey have similar mid to late 70's origin stories with the founders not being able to find what they wanted so they started making it themselves. Patagonia is in this realm as well.

What makes Osprey superior in my mind is the warranty.

Gregory-Lifetime with a whole bunch of "Exception, Key, Erasure" limitations language.
https://www.gregorypacks.com/warranty.html

V.

Osprey-Any damage or defect for any reason...
https://www.osprey.com/us/en/customer-support/all-mighty-guarantee

Moreover, Osprey is still privately held with original folks still in the mix. Gregory has been owned by Samsonite since 2014.

North Face, owned by VF Corp forever. Mountain Hardware, breakaway from NF, now owned by Columbia.

Patagonia, privately held, original owner still in the mix. Sometimes called "Patagucci" because of the MSRP on some of their stuff. Guarantee is solid but not as good as wait for it-----Osprey.

ALL of these bags, particularly in this sub 100 space are completely fungible. It simply does not matter day in, day out. Where it might matter is on the back end if you have a warranty claim.

AGAIN, you are stepping over dollars to pick up pennies on this. In this sub 100.00 space there are DOZENS of packs that will work just fine.

Some of your goals seem mutually exclusive. You want a pack with a base weight of under 2 lbs. That really maxes your total weight out at 15-20 lbs, particularly when you want no or a minimal belt.

You want to load the pack up and then NOT deal with sweat, in FLA because you think that there is some magic airflow design that will make a meaningful difference under load at temperature.

You want internal compartmentalization which often means internal zippers which means more weight.

You have been thru at least two packs so far (Vertx and and Alpha 19er) neither of which were appreciable better than the old trusty REI 25L bag.

IMHO and experience, the one brand that is a game changer in this space because built quality, feature set, durability exclusive use of Tier 1 components and well thought out design that I hear again and again is Tom Bihn. That bag for you is likely the Synapse 25. It is 220 plus shipping. Depending on fabric it is just under to right at 2lbs.

Beside price as being a potential deal breaker for you, the water bottle carry area is internal. I would respectfully assert that helps it stay a less hot because it is out of the sun. It also cannot be knocked out as it can from a mesh side pocket .

I acknowledge that you have to de-pack on the move and/or have somebody help you get the water bottle out on the fly or stop altogether. Frankly, you should stop and hydrate anyway. If hydrating on the fly is driving the train then they first thing we should be talking about is water bladder compatibility and that is an entirely different pack.

Looping back- You need a basic daddy bag to replace/augment the REI 25 you have. You say the Vertx and others are too heavy at 3 ish pounds. All things being equal, bags that weigh 3ish pounds carry more and more comfortably than bags that weight 2ish pounds.

You know the best way to not have to worry about the difference between a 2ish pound bag and a 3ish pound bag -IT IS BY BEING 1lbish+ LIGHTER YOURSELF.

Actually...Wearing lighter footwear on your feet is really the way to go as well as 1 lbish pound + on your feet is 5 ish on the back but that is a whole nother rabbit hole...


Look, I get it. My EDC bag is a circa 2005 Eagle Industries 3 Day Assault Pack. It is a bag of bags with a smaller bag containing a FAK, another with writing utensils, another with a flashlight and cords etc. I have an NWOT sling bag from Maxpedition, I never use. Why-because when you load it up, it is not as comfortable as any two strap bag. I have an LAPG Special Edition Maxpedition Falcon. It has more built in organization than the Eagle but is a bit too narrow for my laptop etc.

I have a Bright Teal/Green REI 25 L backpack when I travel because it coordinates with a Patagonia Duffel I have and I can spot that "set" 100 yrds away if it gets piled into a particularly place/room.

Hell, I even have an old school, 1000D cordura black Jansport backpack. I also have 5-6 other 35-45L carry on travel backs that may not be backpacks per se, but are 3 way (backpack/suitcase carry, duffel carry.)

Knowing everything I know now and I wanted to carry what you have said you have wanted to carry (moving goal posts and all) I would STFU, get out the plastic and buy the either the Tom Bihn Synapse 25 or the Synik 30 because the Synik bag can do EDC and 3-5 day business casual, 1 bag travel given its full clamshell opening and slightly bigger size relative to the 3/4 zip Synapse 25.

Edited to add- I find it extraordinarily difficult to believe that between the regular priced items on the Osprey website and the clearance section I linked, you CANNOT find a pack that would work just fine. I would note that even in season Osprey packs, when not on sale at the factory site, can often be found on sale at the usual suspects to include Amazon, REI, Moosejaw and Back Country.

I appreciate some of this, but some of this is based so much on YOUR wants, needs, and experience that you’re inferring use cases that I haven’t stated. The water bottle pocket thing alone is off base as I want those pockets for other items in addition to actual water bottles. The warranty thing is another. As you mentioned, we’re talking about sub-$100 packs. If it fails anytime after the first week or two (and even then, maybe) I’ll just throw it in the bin. It’s not worth my time and effort to go returning things.

Similarly, I haven’t listed every single little want and need. It’s honest,y impossible to do so. So sometimes someone posts a link to a pack that may seem to hit the criteria but there’s some other feature of the pack that doesn’t that I had t considered. I can afford to be picky because I have two packs now (actually, I think have one of those Eagle AIII packs from the early 2000s too somewhere) that aren’t killing me, they just aren’t ideal and the whole point here is wondering if there’s something out there that may seem like a better fit.

Which again, is why I encourage anyone that doesn’t want to play along to just move along.

[rob_s]

Found this when digging through some stuff this weekend. Thought it might be an option, but probably not. Are they even still making/selling these anymore? From what I recollect this is what Eagle considered to be “tan” even though it looks pretty OD. I had/have other Eagle gear that they called OD though and that stuff was definitely a darker green.

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[Wheeler]

Found this when digging through some stuff this weekend. Thought it might be an option, but probably not. Are they even still making/selling these anymore? From what I recollect this is what Eagle considered to be “tan” even though it looks pretty OD. I had/have other Eagle gear that they called OD though and that stuff was definitely a darker green.

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[rob_s]

What are the two smaller bags?

they attach to either side of the main bag with the little black plastic clips and you can cinch them down with the straps.

I used them back in the day to hold my flipflops in one and my toiletries and sundries in the other when traveling.

[Joe S]

I believe they called it "khaki. Or maybe my brain is just saying that because it makes more sense.

That pack is way too clean. I would suggest using it, or if it really doesn't fit your needs, sell it to some gearhead and finance the new pack.

[ST911]

Found this when digging through some stuff this weekend. Thought it might be an option, but probably not. Are they even still making/selling these anymore? From what I recollect this is what Eagle considered to be “tan” even though it looks pretty OD. I had/have other Eagle gear that they called OD though and that stuff was definitely a darker green.

The usual places still make that same design, the best are legacy Eagle and LBT. Still useful, if mil-ish looks are okay.

[vcdgrips]

Joe S is spot on. That is an exceptionally well constructed pack. 1000D cordura, YKK zippers, Tier 1 plastic buckles etc.

That made in the USA pre conglomerate Eagle Industries “system” would certainly net you 75-100 after USPS large box flat rate shipping CONUS. Easily.

That would also be a perfect jumper cables/charger box/FAK/4 rain ponchos/granola bar and water stays in the car pack given the build quality and sunk costs.

[Wheeler]

they attach to either side of the main bag with the little black plastic clips and you can cinch them down with the straps.

I used them back in the day to hold my flipflops in one and my toiletries and sundries in the other when traveling.

Do you recall how big the pack is?

[rob_s]

Do you recall how big the pack is?

quick search seems to indicate approximately
20" x 16" x 9"

more here
https://soldiersystems.net/2020/05/16/a-lost-history-30-years-of-the-eagle-a-iii/

[rob_s]

Got the Gregory Anode. Has some potential.

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[rob_s]

A 4 year ongoing quest to find a backpack that fits the needs of a suburban white collar dad that has came full circle to possibly choosing an off the shelf, run of the mill Patagonia or North Face bag? Oh we're getting the humor. We are definitely getting the humor. :D

I forgot I had wanted to come back to this...

Probably the funniest thing is some of the currently-recommended bags were never mentioned before, but also how consistently some bags are insistently recommended despite having been previously, repeatedly, rejected.

One other thing of note is that initially I had a criteria of WANTING a pistol pocket but after having a couple of different pistol-pocket bags now, I’ve realized that:

Adding that pocket not only adds the bulk of the pocket, but also the bulk and weight of various stiffeners, etc. around the pocket
Companies making bags with dedicated pistol pouches aren’t bag companies, they are legal coma it’s, which means they don’t know Dick about bags and they tend to have other issues making them even more bad as a bag
I don’t believe I ever actually wound up putting a pistol in that dedicated space on any of the bags I bought


Took awhile for me to figure all that out.

But, again, this whole comedic journey has probably been somewhat blown out of proportion in the minds of some readers. Understanding that it’s gone on for years should provide at least some context.

at the end of the day, I seem to be arriving at the same thing I usually do, which is that there really isn’t much in my life that I actually need or want to be planning around guns/carrying/gun fighting/etc. in which case suddenly the Gregory or Osprey bags become more valid options.

And I’m betting that eventually I just wind up with the ding dang Tom Binh. :eek::p

[El Cid]

After a few hours hiking this past week, and several more hours ahead of me, I’m back on the hunt for a new backpack. Basic criteria...

Under 2 lbs empty
External water bottle sleeve(s)
Small, externally accessible, pouch (sunglasses, phone, meds)
At least some amount of internal compartmentalization (preferably without having to add additional parts)
Good airflow in the back (new requirement from this week)
No external mole or other tactical indicators
detachable/storable waist belt (if it has one at all)


I did a thread search and didn't see KUIU anywhere. I've had my eye on their Divide 1200 for a while in grey. I don't have their packs, but have a good bit of their clothing and it's all very well made and durable. While I don't hunt, I learned a life hack years ago that when I want durable, warm, gear/clothing take a look at what hunters wear and use.

https://www.kuiu.com/divide-1200/98004.html?dwvar_98004_color=Black&cgid=shop-packs

Since you mention a detachable waist belt: (currently the Vias camo is all they show in stock but there is a grey version listed)
https://www.kuiu.com/divide-1500/98005.html?dwvar_98005_color=Gunmetal&cgid=shop-packs

[rob_s]

I did a thread search and didn't see KUIU anywhere. I've had my eye on their Divide 1200 for a while in grey. I don't have their packs, but have a good bit of their clothing and it's all very well made and durable. While I don't hunt, I learned a life hack years ago that when I want durable, warm, gear/clothing take a look at what hunters wear and use.

https://www.kuiu.com/divide-1200/98004.html?dwvar_98004_color=Black&cgid=shop-packs

Since you mention a detachable waist belt: (currently the Vias camo is all they show in stock but there is a grey version listed)
https://www.kuiu.com/divide-1500/98005.html?dwvar_98005_color=Gunmetal&cgid=shop-packs

Seems like a pretty neat option. I have really liked those vertical-zipper front pouches on the pack on previous packs I've had. Makes it easy to keep the bag on one shoulder, sling it under the armpit, and access them in front of you.

[Casual Friday]

I forgot I had wanted to come back to this...

Probably the funniest thing is some of the currently-recommended bags were never mentioned before, but also how consistently some bags are insistently recommended despite having been previously, repeatedly, rejected.

One other thing of note is that initially I had a criteria of WANTING a pistol pocket but after having a couple of different pistol-pocket bags now, I’ve realized that:

Adding that pocket not only adds the bulk of the pocket, but also the bulk and weight of various stiffeners, etc. around the pocket
Companies making bags with dedicated pistol pouches aren’t bag companies, they are legal coma it’s, which means they don’t know Dick about bags and they tend to have other issues making them even more bad as a bag
I don’t believe I ever actually wound up putting a pistol in that dedicated space on any of the bags I bought


Took awhile for me to figure all that out.

But, again, this whole comedic journey has probably been somewhat blown out of proportion in the minds of some readers. Understanding that it’s gone on for years should provide at least some context.

at the end of the day, I seem to be arriving at the same thing I usually do, which is that there really isn’t much in my life that I actually need or want to be planning around guns/carrying/gun fighting/etc. in which case suddenly the Gregory or Osprey bags become more valid options.

And I’m betting that eventually I just wind up with the ding dang Tom Binh. :eek::p

I've enjoyed this more than you'll ever know. :cool:

[vcdgrips]

Those KUIU bags look to be quite interesting. The easy Tripod/Spotting Scope/Shooting Sticks/Rifle/Bow etc carry options seem well thought out as a casual observer. The Cordura fabric is nice. I would like to know if the zippers are YKK. If I was a hunter dude, those would get a serious look.


I predict that the Gregory pack will be found to be a bit better the the older REI 25 if for no other reason that it is new, a bit bigger and blackish.

I predict that in the end you will end up with a Tom Bihn Synapse 25 or a Synik 30.

I would note you essentially reached that conclusion on Jan of 2019 and again in August of 2020.

Send the Gregory back and get a refund, sell the Alpha 19er and buy a Tom Bihn.

Actually, given who you are- buy the Synapse 25 and the Synik 30. Load them up in the house for a few days, keep the one you want and sell the other. Given the demand for TB I doubt you will lose a dime to include shipping. Alternatively, send it back to the mothership and get accessories and/or a bag for SWMBO.

Waiting with baited breath.


PS-I would not sell the Eagle Packs but that would also put more money in the TB kitty.

[El Cid]

Those KUIU bags look to be quite interesting. The easy Tripod/Spotting Scope/Shooting Sticks/Rifle/Bow etc carry options seem well thought out as a casual observer. The Cordura fabric is nice. I would like to know if the zippers are YKK. If I was a hunter dude, those would get a serious look.



Knew a guy a few years back who was an avid hunter including trips to AK for bear with a bow. He LOVED the brand and is how I discovered it. They seem very well thought out and if my memory serves, the guy who started KUIU is the same one who started Sitka Gear before selling it. I also want to say he passed a year or two ago.

ETA: https://www.kuiu.com/learn/our-story/our-founder/

To end on a lighter note, the KUIU 1200 comes in P-F colors. lol!
https://www.kuiu.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master-catalog/default/dw329cf5dd/images/sku/98004/2020/Revised/98004-OR-FR-Oct2020.png

[rob_s]

Knew a guy a few years back who was an avid hunter including trips to AK for bear with a bow. He LOVED the brand and is how I discovered it. They seem very well thought out and if my memory serves, the guy who started KUIU is the same one who started Sitka Gear before selling it. I also want to say he passed a year or two ago.

To end on a lighter note, the KUIU 1200 comes in P-F colors. lol!
https://www.kuiu.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master-catalog/default/dw329cf5dd/images/sku/98004/2020/Revised/98004-OR-FR-Oct2020.png

And it has a Danzig skull on the back!

[rob_s]

I saw that brand on backcountry or something and wasn't familiar with them. Thanks for the recommendation.

The Exode 26 (https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/day-packs/exode-26-121116XXXX.html?dwvar_121116XXXX_color=Ferrous%20O range&cgidmaster=packs-day-packs) and Anode 30 (https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/urban-commuter/anode-30-104091XXXX.html) look interesting too. Appear to be pretty much the same packs as each other with the Anode being 1" thicker and having a front pouch instead of the front bungies that the Exode has.


https://www.gregorypacks.com/dw/image/v2/AAUE_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-product-catalog/default/dw53d342c9/collections/_gregory/Anode/500x500/1040910614_ANODE_FRONT_ANGLE.jpg?sw=1500&sfrm=jpg&q=70


Got the Gregory Anode. Has some potential.

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Wanting not to disappoint my fans...

I got a chance to carry the Anode very, very briefly this past weekend. It’ll certainly do for now. Wish I had, or could have, gotten it in a lighter color. One of the places it got tooken was the beach. Not the end of the world, but black and lots of sun isn’t ideal.

Wife noticed the bag looked different than previous bag(s) and asked “is that a new bag?” To which I of course replied with “what do you mean be ‘new’?” After which i was reminded that I still have several of the previous bags and I should get busy selling at least some of them.


On the "sling bag" side of things, had need for a small "fanny pack" type of bag twice in one weekend, so came home and got one of these. Haven't carried it yet but seems legit so far.
https://www.aersf.com/city-sling-black

This thing is still my favorite. In some rare instances it could stand to be slightly larger, so I’m still kind of on the lookout for something that fits that need, but we spent 10 days trucking all around Southern Utah visiting various national parks, and this thing was awesome, from the flight out, to cruising around the tourist towns, to jeeping around the wilderness, to hiking to Delicate Arch... just amazing. If you scroll back in the thread there’s a post where I link to a bunch of the single-serving items that I filled it with and it was great to have those things with us. I do need to add some stock of those items to the van though as I found myself rationing them out knowing that all I had was what was in there.

I did supplement it with a packable backpack. Reason being that I flew out with one carryon and my Fanny pack, but knew I’d want some sort of pack on some occasions once I got there, but was meeting the wife and kids who were already there in our Class B camper which meant space in the van would be at a premium.


What I got was the MYSTERY RANCH In and Out Backpack - Lightweight Foldable Pack, Black 19L (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08NWHWBG8/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_1YHNSG8126VKDBKWC969?_encodin g=UTF8&psc=1) and it worked great for what it is and accepting the limitations of a packable pack. I wound up leaving it behind when I flew home and the wife used it several times after I left as well. I think it’s going to just live in the van as an “emergency” pack for when we’re out and about and realize we should have brought a pack but we didn’t.

[Grouse870]

https://www.mysteryranch.com/gallagator-pack
I picked up one of these a bit ago so far I like it. Good size seems to hold all the stuff I need to and a I like the tri zip. Good price too.

[vcdgrips]

Rob S. I hope you have cracked the code for yourself. I stand by my prediction that you will soon find the Gregory bag wanting.


I put my money where my mouth was and sold a number of packs/pens and other no/little used bric a brac and purchased a Made in the USA Tom Bihn Synik 30 in Black with Grey Interior along with the Freudian Slip and a few "leashes/biners". There is a place for everything and every thing has its place. EDC with my govt issued HP 14.1 Laptop is a breeze with the padded integrated lap top pocket that can be easily accessed from the side.

Did a 4 day/3 night road trip to pick up my son from college. Easy Peasy with a couple of Eagle Creek Specter Packing Cubes.

I was also blessed by a member here who decided that their Synik 30 (Burnt Orange) was not the bag they needed given their biking etc. such that I was able to purchase that as a travel bag for my son's upcoming mission trip.

The fit, function and finish of Tom Bihn bags superlative. With the possible exception of Red Oxx, there is not an equivalently well made/thought out, Made in the USA bag on the market.



https://www.tombihn.com/collections/backpacks/products/synik-30?variant=15334842400831

https://www.tombihn.com/products/freudian-slip?_pos=1&_sid=2c211bcd8&_ss=r&variant=16409089351

https://www.tombihn.com/collections/accessories/products/swivel-double-carabiner?variant=31890920341567

https://www.tombihn.com/collections/accessories/products/key-straps?variant=30945188359



I am on water's edge re buying a Travel Pro 21 Platinum Elite Spinner and having my carry on travel needs covered for the foreseeable future. The TP has an integrated suiter and is warrantied against damage done by the airlines for life.
https://travelpro.com/products/platinum%C2%AE-elite-21-expandable-carry-on-spinner

[rob_s]

for those fans of Binh, that also took the original post to mean "baby bag for dad to carry"...

https://www.tombihn.com/blogs/main/design-update-parental-unit?fbclid=IwAR10ZZdqOsOOG86hD4sDzGzWiXAFIG1ErUIZ jItajptstZMNKE48NbuLhHA

https://www.tombihn.com/products/parental-unit?variant=19611298247

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[vcdgrips]

Therer is a Tom Bihn Forum and a Tom Bihn FB Group. I ma sure there are overlapping members. Having said that, this TB "Parental Unit" bag is much awaited.

TB seems to manage supply and demand well by extensive use of pre-orders. They have a reputation for meeting/beating the delivery date. They retain their value well and used units in certain models approach retail when sold on Ebay, particularly when the bag your selling is not available at a moment in time.

The stuff is scary well made and I continue to edc and do 3-4 day casual trips using the the Synik 30 with great joy.

I am so sold on the brand that I will be going thru the bunker again and thin the herd some more re an old school Jansport and Maxpedition or 2 to justify a recent used purchase (Brain Bag.)


PS-Rob S/ How is the Gregory working for you as your most recent edc bag?

[Doc_Glock]

I am so sold on the brand that I will be going thru the bunker again and thin the herd some more re an old school Jansport and Maxpedition or 2 to justify a recent used purchase (Brain Bag.)

The Brain Bag has my eye for EDC. Would be interested in your take compared to the Synik 30.

I am into the Nomatic bag for about a year now and no real complaints other than it just doesn't feel as sturdy or tough as the Tom Bihn or Camelbak products I have used in the past. I keep waiting for a strap to break off but I don't see any fraying or anything.

[Rex G]

for those fans of Binh, that also took the original post to mean "baby bag for dad to carry"...

https://www.tombihn.com/blogs/main/design-update-parental-unit?fbclid=IwAR10ZZdqOsOOG86hD4sDzGzWiXAFIG1ErUIZ jItajptstZMNKE48NbuLhHA

https://www.tombihn.com/products/parental-unit?variant=19611298247

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This one has me thinking I need to acquire one, even though my days of being a parental unit are long-gone.

[PNWTO]

https://mountainsmith.com/products/2020-day-lumbar

It may be a little smaller (13L) for some folks but I love mine for dad-stuff with just a single toddler. The capture flap adds some nice function for securing another pounce or load.

I actually have two, one for dad mode and one as a work “go bag” to augment my laptop bag. I think the 13L rating is pretty conservative as it carries more than my HPG Tara (16L).

[vcdgrips]

Doc Glock asks:

"The Brain Bag has my eye for EDC. Would be interested in your take compared to the Synik 30."

My comments presume some familiarity with the Tom Bihn Line. Ramble follows.

36 Liter Brain Bag v a 30 Liter Synik- Old School v. New School/Old Vette v New Vette. Both have their charms but one is simply more modern and user friendly.


The Brain Bag is a big, well built bag that would serve well as an EDC if your loadout was big/bulky or both. The used version I have is 1000d cordura both inside and out in a gunmetal gray color. It was soft and worn in well like the slick black Eagle Industries 3DAP I used to carry as my EDC before I bought my 425d blacked out Synik 30 with a gray 210d checked interior. Indeed, the BB reminds me of an improved more EDC designed, less Military version of an Eagle Industries 3 day assault pack given its overall size and cinch strap/buckle placements.

If size is driving the train, the BB is the obvious choice over the S30. It "seems" more than 6 liters bigger than the Synik 30. As a daddy bag, particularly for multiple kids, the bigger size alone would likely have me giving it the nod over the Synik 30. I say this as the father of twins who were born at 26.5 weeks in 1999 and one who had to haul around O2 (with an extra tank) a heart monitor and all of the "normal" daddy bag things.


I did an apple to apple comparison with gear placement from my Synik to the BB-Writing Utensils in left side pouch, electronic cords and multitool in right side pouch. FAK and Boo Boo kits down in the bag. Computer/files in the main compartment.I also used my Freudian Slip for an issued disc drive, iPad and some other gear in both bags.


When compared to the Synik, my version of the BB has a lot less sewn in slots for pens etc and no o rings in those pockets to clip stuff into unlike the Synik. Moreover the BB does not have a dedicated and padded laptop slot like the Synik such that a padded sleeve would be essential in protecting my Govt Issued HP 14.1 Laptop. Having said that, the compartments in the BB are huge and you could easily fit two (2) 17 inch laptops if that is your jam.

When the BB shines is in its size- 36 liters (I suspect that this is a conservative estimate) and the compression straps on the sides to cinch it down when needed. Like all TB stuff, it is really well made and it will last forever as my used version represents. The only thing I do not like is the outside water bottle carrier clip "system" but carrying a large water bottle is not my thing. A smaller more tubular bottle would likely fit in an outside mess "pocket" outside, on the left compartment of the BB.

Both bags have waist strap attachments that do nothing re transferring weight to your hips. If your loadout regularly exceeds 25 pounds and that is your desire re a waist strap, neither of these bags is ideal for that application. Both bags are quite comfortable on the back though the newer generation "edgeless" shoulder straps being incorporated across the TB line are a definite improvement.

The Synik 30 is a bag where you could do edc/and a business casual trip of 3 days easy -5 days max (with laptop) so long as you packed smart and thought about your second pair of shoes. I have been using it for EDC since Spring and on three 4 day casual trips easy peasy this spring/summer. As the weather gets colder, bigger shoes/clothes might push the window to a 3 day loadout. I like the intersection of looks/sleekness and usability with the various YKK zippered pockets. Anything this side of a stuffed to the gills Synik would get under the seat of most planes and in the overhead with ease. The Synik 30 has a "clamshell" YKK zipper system and the back has not "unzipped" inadvertently in any way.

The BB 36 would allow for EDC/ 5 day business casual trip (4 seasons) with little thought to the second pair of shoes presuming you worn the heavier shoes/boots on the plane. Function is superlative and form more than acceptable with the BB. Ultimately, at base, the BB is a bag that can easily best serve in the EDC role so long as you are hauling a big computer and a load and/or you are good with cinching a not small bag down to your back when your load/computer is on the smaller side. A fully packed BB would not fit under most airline seats and would have to go in the overhead for sure. Having said that, even stuffed to the gills, you should be able to carry on as by definition, any bag worn on the back, without wheels, rarely draws a second look. At some core level, The BB is an organized bag of bags.

The Synik 30, to me, is really part of a purpose designed edc/travel system where there is a dedicated padded slot for your computer. Each pocket has sewn in slots for pens/pencils/markers etc. coupled w various sized zipper pockets that are ideal for a water bottle, cords, earbuds, etc. There are multiple sewn in o rings that encourage you clipping in your keys, and pouches can be further organized by size/color/type/function and could be easily transferred from TB bag to TB bag. There are integrated/removable tie downs inside the bag and an elasticized pocket that keep loads from shifting about.

I am very happy with he Synik 30 as an EDC/Travel bag. At 300.00, you have a Made in the USA bag with Tier One materials at a place where the founder is still working/cutting/sewing and designing on a regular basis.

My previously owned writing utensils case (from JetPens) and electronica cords bags (from Ikea) clip in with TB attachments "leashes" that were a few dollars each as do my keys/knives/flashlights etc if desired.

As a company TB, has three areas of possible fault:

1. Even a 300.00 for a bag DOES NOT include shipping.

2. You can get nickeled and dimed with cool little accessories. i.e. the Brain Bag is 210.00. A TB padded case for a computer (cache) could be another 50.00. While it is super cool and attaches in a manner to the bag such that you can fly with it and often run it thru TSA without having to detach it, 50.00 is 50.00.

3. Because they are relatively small and sewn in the USA, they can sell out of stuff, take a pre order and you can wait for several weeks if you time your desired purchase poorly. As such, as mentioned above, there is a vigious used (sometime just catch and release) market on ebay and the FB interest group. Folks will buy stuff in multiple colors/configurations. Use it a bit but outside the return window and then sell it for 75 to 100% of retail. Having said that, TB hits their delivery times even with the supply chain issues and 44 container ships off the coast of CA as we speak.

Bottom Line-Extremely Well Made in the USA Gear. Buy it. If you do not like it, flip it and get most of your money back. I am on the fence re this BB in my stable but I would like to take a trip or two with it first before I decide for sure.

Tom Bihn is the Tom Givens of the bag design world. He has an answer for everything he does. You might not agree with it, but it is clear he has thought about every design cue...a lot.

Moreover, both Toms are constantly innovating and evolving their product lines with user input to the betterment of all.

Finally, both Toms are still putting in the work.

[rob_s]

On the "sling bag" side of things, had need for a small "fanny pack" type of bag twice in one weekend, so came home and got one of these. Haven't carried it yet but seems legit so far.
https://www.aersf.com/city-sling-black


got some samples of mini-stuff to make my man purse more purse-like. In addition to the pills and band-aids I'd already added, got the following to stock it up. Tried to opt for lighter color items so that I can find them in the bag more easily.

OFF! Deep Woods Mosquito and Insect Repellent Wipes, Long lasting, Individually Wrapped Wipes, 3-pack (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008LWC7Q4/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_0r8yFbGTQ05GQ)

POWERADD EnergyCell 5000 High-Speed Charging Portable Charger, The Lightest 5000mAh Slim Power Bank with 2.4A Output, for iPhone 11 XS X 8 Plus Samsung S10 Google LG iPad and More（White） (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0862231VG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_cs8yFbNJX432V)

Banana Boat Sport Sunscreen, SPF 30 Protection lotion, Travel Packets 24 Packs (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K58Q39Y/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_ds8yFbTBG1TF3)

Rite in the Rain All-Weather EDC Pen, Orange POKKA 2-Pack, Black 0.9mm Ink, Fine Point (No. OR92) (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JFS4NVY/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_fs8yFb0GJH125)

3Pack Multi USB Cable, 1ft Multi Charger Cable Premium Short Multi Charging Cable Nylon Braided 3 in 1 Charging Cable Adapter with Type-C,Micro USB Port Connectors for Cell Phones and More (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y5XVWSM/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_fs8yFbPK0QV3F)

Streamlight 66608 250 Lumen Microstream USB Rechargeable Flashlight with 5" USB Cord Clamshell Packaging, Coyote (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DLZXZV1/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_Vv8yFbBK3S3ES)


Scootered and walked all around St Augustine yesterday. This thing is totally a winner so far!

Might could do with an armpit strap in some instances but I’m learning to predict and pre-empt the slide when carrying it.

All of the above is working out really well. use the sling SO MUCH more often than the full-on backpack now. They've come out with a Version 2 (https://www.aersf.com/city-sling-2-black) that's a skosh bigger and has a better strap and buckle, a top mounted carry handle, and key clip, if anyone is interested. All of these things would be, IMO, welcome changes. I just don't want to buy the almost identical bag.

Where the bag is lacking ever so slightly for me is on two fronts:
1) it doesn't fit a Kindle. I really also want an iPad mini, which would also not fit. The Kindle, right now, is a big deal for me at the beach and/or hotel pools and it would be great if it fit in the sling.
2) the centered buckle. Pretty much prevents it from being worn on front when carrying a backpack as the buckle digs in too much. Maybe less of an issue with the new strap/buckle.

Fortunately, Aer makes a Day Sling 2 (https://www.aersf.com/day-sling-2-olive) that's slightly larger, has a side buckle, and otherwise appears to be functionally about the same.

so I ordered one up in Olive and it should be here in a couple of days.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5362a66ee4b05f0813543305/1618359883424-9YOPU7UQCYPIT8X6UO2I/AER25009_daysling2_olive_hero.jpg?format=750w

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Not sure if your still looking but I just bought this https://defybags.com/collections/all/products/insidious-sling-ballistic-nylon-2021

Very well built and not tactical looking.
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[rob_s]

All of the above is working out really well. use the sling SO MUCH more often than the full-on backpack now. They've come out with a Version 2 (https://www.aersf.com/city-sling-2-black) that's a skosh bigger and has a better strap and buckle, a top mounted carry handle, and key clip, if anyone is interested. All of these things would be, IMO, welcome changes. I just don't want to buy the almost identical bag.

Where the bag is lacking ever so slightly for me is on two fronts:
1) it doesn't fit a Kindle. I really also want an iPad mini, which would also not fit. The Kindle, right now, is a big deal for me at the beach and/or hotel pools and it would be great if it fit in the sling.
2) the centered buckle. Pretty much prevents it from being worn on front when carrying a backpack as the buckle digs in too much. Maybe less of an issue with the new strap/buckle.

Fortunately, Aer makes a Day Sling 2 (https://www.aersf.com/day-sling-2-olive) that's slightly larger, has a side buckle, and otherwise appears to be functionally about the same.

so I ordered one up in Olive and it should be here in a couple of days.

Bag arrived.

First off, Aer makes good stuff, to a high level of quality, and ships quickly, at (what if find to be) a reasonable price. That’s rare, and I’d buy from them on that alone.

Without having carried the new bag, just having tried it in, some immediate impressions…

I like the fact that the buckle is on the side and it can be carried in the front of the body while wearing a backpack without the buckle digging into you and in a horizontal orientation that makes it easy to access.

The trade off there is that you can only carry it on one shoulder, and unless you have it cinched up tight that carry method on the back would potentially interfere with a traditional IWB holster concealed under a t-shirt behind the right hip. Also, any potential fatigue or discomfort over the long haul can’t be spread across both shoulders.

The new bag is bigger, obviously, which is nice from a cargo and access standpoint. The old bag had kind of a unique strap system that automatically compressed the bag when slung. The new bag doesn’t have that, so it just stays big.

There’s a couple more pouches in the new bag, which I find handy already in my initial gear transfer. The elastic on them is also new so it is tighter. It also has me wondering what else I can stuff in there. :p

The larger volume seems to indicate that I could easily add a water or Coke bottle in there pretty easily. Tough feat in the old one.

Old City Sling (https://www.aersf.com/city-sling-gray) (black, top) vs new Day Sling 2 (https://www.aersf.com/day-sling-2-olive) (OD, bottom)
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The main reason for the ew bag, the “tech pouch” to hold a kindle or iPad mini. Haven’t tested it with the kindle yet.
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[RoyGBiv]

On the "sling bag" side of things, had need for a small "fanny pack" type of bag twice in one weekend, so came home and got one of these. Haven't carried it yet but seems legit so far.
https://www.aersf.com/city-sling-black

This smaller version looks like something I'd like to try, except that the buckle would definitely be a problem. The side to side orientation is my preference, vs slings that wind up upside down when rotated between chest and back position.

I'm looking for a sling bag just big enough to empty my pockets (wallet, phone, key fob, knife, POM) and add a few "want to haves" (TQ, flashlight, a few other IFAK items). Definitely no need for a tablet or water.