Full size gun for concealed carry?

[SLG]

Something PSBT4117 struck me and I'm curious to see how this pans out.

I started my LE career with a G19, but as a civilian, I carried a 5" 1911 before that. After the G19, I was issued a Sig 228 then 229, then 229R. All mid size, compact guns. They shot like full size, but carried a little easier. With the Sigs in particular, I could never accurately determine if the 226 was better or the 229. The results were always so close. My next duty gun was a G22, 3rd gen. Not a fan favorite, but it worked for a year until I could upgrade to a 5" 1911 again. Stuck with that for a few years, then went back to the G22 for reasons related to long term and short term injuries in my hands and wrists. Went back to the 1911 again a couple years later when I was healed up. Carried that until about 2 years ago when I switched to a gen4 G22. Awesome gun. Then a year ago switched to a gen 4 G17. Awesomer gun.

I handle the G17 better than the G19, though the tested results are almost identical, much like the 229/226. Nonetheless, I much prefer the G17, and carry it by choice over everything else today (that I can choose from). I'm a small guy, and have never had difficulty concealing or carrying a full size gun. Well, not once the Shaggy and SME came along, now with the JM custom I can carry the G17 with a light on it as well, so win win.

Who here actually carries a full size pistol everyday? Not just in uniform, but concealed as well?

I see people mention things like G26's or G43's for "times when a full size won't conceal." What times are those? I carry my G17 all day, everyday (not including field uses, like hunting or woods bumming).

So, how many of you actually carry a full size for everything all the time?

[blues]

SLG, what are you generally wearing with your 17? Would it be an imposition for you to show a torso shot with firearm covered and uncovered?

I love my 19 (and 26) but would not be averse to being wooed by a 17.

Thanks, brother.

[Kyle Reese]

Concealed I carry a Gen 4 Glock 17 every day. Putting a modicum of effort into wardrobe selection it's easy for me to carry a full sized handgun. I even manage to carry a spare 21 round mag AIWB. :)

[GardoneVT]

Beretta M9, all the time.

[Kevin B.]

I carried a 5" 1911 for years and a Beretta 92 before that. I carry a GEN 4 G22 or G17 all of the time currently. I am getting ready to move back to the 5" 1911.

[LittleLebowski]

G17 Gen4 :cool:

[Chaswick]

I carry a Gen4 G17 everyday, everywhere. I work only in plainclothes and concealed unless doing an op/warrant service.

I am not a large person by any stretch of the imagination. I have an authorized G26 as well, but it only seems to see any attention on qual days.

[Leroy Suggs]

Besides a recent several month span because of back-spine problems I carry the awesomer G17 every day, all day and a J in the left pocket.
90% of the time concealed under a T or polo.

Happy to say I am back to the 17.

[GJM]

An important consideration in choosing a handgun, is whether being made can result in termination of your employment, a jail sentence or another very bad outcome. In AK, a USP 45 FS in an AIWB works just fine.

[MGW]

I don't carry a full-size because it doesn't fit my daily routine. I'm curious though SLG, do you think the 17 is easier to carry and conceal than the 1911 or 229 or is it a wash? Is it holster dependent? In other words is the 17 easier now because of the better designed holster compared to what you used early in your career? I'm also curious what your normal mode of dress is?

[JAD]

The commander I usually carry has the same outline as a G17.

[JDB]

An important consideration in choosing a handgun, is whether being made can result in termination of your employment, a jail sentence or another very bad outcome. In AK, a USP 45 FS in an AIWB works just fine.

Yes, that.

I carry a P30 whenever I can carry. Usually with just a t-shirt, using a JM George.

When I have to go someplace truly NPE (like a school), then I don't carry.

Really should get a smartcarry holster, or some such, for formal occasions when I have to wear a tucked in shirt. Formal wear is quite rare for me though.

[Mr. Goodtimes]

I carry a Gen 4 G19 daily but I certainly wouldn't be averse to carrying a 17. Prior to the 19 I carried a P30 (which has a grip closer to a 17) and never had any issues carrying it in shorts and a t shirt. The 19 completely disappears AIWB under a t shirt. I'm 6ft 1 and an athletic 220 so, truth be told I could probably carry a full size USP 45 under a t shirt.


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[Larry Sellers]

I have and routinely carry a 17 AIWB via JMCK, the rub is it has a 10 round magazine due to my state of residence. I have however moved to the 19, as I shoot it better and I feel less terrible running a 10 round mag in that. Smaller guy as well, but with the JM rig it really conceals well, almost seems as though it conceals better than the 19 (almost)

[45dotACP]

Recently it was a government model or a commander every day...guns had the same size ass I just preferred them for different reasons/calibers.

Carry a Glock now...The 34 is the same size, but I shoot it in matches so my less used g19 goes in the pantalones...Need a new g19 or 34 to carry... Probably won't matter which...People don't notice really.

Might need a 43 or 26 if I made the choice to carry (illegally) at work and wanted the most concealment possible due to a likelihood of jail time/being fired if I got busted ...But I don't play that game and just choose to carry pepper spray, a blade and some naughty language to accompany my (limited) BJJ/Standup skills.

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[BehindBlueI's]

P226 on the belt, LCR on ankle... On or off duty. Sometimes a P220/P245 for out of state travel.

[YVK]

What times are those?


Generally, when loose fitting closed front garments are out of place, or I am sick of them.

More importantly, I am particularly picky about how much concealment vs cover I need, and I won't go into details beyond this.

I have conceal-carried an Elite II and a full sized 1911, and still at times carry the latter. I've no problems carrying and still carry HK P30, which has the same length grip as G17, every time I can wear casual relaxed clothing. Such clothing doesn't answer my every day needs anymore.

I am specifically excluding light clothing situations such as gym or beach carry from these considerations.

[Matt O]

Carried a G17 for quite a while and then a Beretta 92 for the last couple years.

[drummer]

When I started as a leo over a decade ago I was issued a G22. I carried it off duty and on and didn't think too much about it. Now days we use 9mms and I have my choice of any or all Gen 4 G17, G19, G26 and I carry the G19 everyday but use the G17 operationally or when acting in more of a uniformed role. I've found little difference in my shooting between the 19 and 17. I prefer shooting the 17 but have no issue with either in harms way.

[MRW]

The big difference for me between the Gen 4 G17 and Gen 4 G26 is what I can comfortably dress around. That corresponds to weather most of the time.

Most of the year I can dress around the G17. Hot and humid summer days means the G26 in a IWB holster.

[Mr_White]

Yes, G34

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[orionz06]

Gen 4 G17.

[GJM]

Yes, G34

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What suspenders do you EDC?

[flyrodr]

I'd be really interested in hearing how people dress to conceal their EDC. Cover garment, or just shirt worn outside pants or what? Having trouble visualizing a full-size gun not printing under a polo shirt, even worn loosely outside pants. But, then, that might be because of my spare tire.

Is concealment more a function of holster type/placement (IWB vs AIWB), shirt type (button up vs polo), pattern on shirt (plaid vs solid color), simply a larger size, or what?

Thanks.

[blues]

I'd be really interested in hearing how people dress to conceal their EDC. Cover garment, or just shirt worn outside pants or what? Having trouble visualizing a full-size gun not printing under a polo shirt, even worn loosely outside pants. But, then, that might be because of my spare tire.

Is concealment more a function of holster type/placement (IWB vs AIWB), shirt type (button up vs polo), pattern on shirt (plaid vs solid color), simply a larger size, or what?

Thanks.

I don't tote a 17 (yet, anyway), and I don't tuck in a shirt except for weddings or funerals. I think all of the above are or can be factors. But the foundation is a good holster. It makes all the difference imho.

[Dagga Boy]

An important consideration in choosing a handgun, is whether being made can result in termination of your employment, a jail sentence or another very bad outcome. In AK, a USP 45 FS in an AIWB works just fine.

This jives with my rule of carrying as many and as much gun as you can with your current situation. Most of my life I have not cared if I printed a little or the gigantic fanny pack was a give away. I looked like a cop and was not fooling any body. At least I was carrying a full size service gun. When wearing basketball shorts around he house, an airweight J frame works. My current job requires total discretion....total change in what I am using. On my days off...back to a VP9 and a J frame. So, in short, if I can carry a full size gun I do.
I just submitted two articles today from a three part series on living an armed lifestyle and different types of popular carry guns and how they fit. Part III covers the service size guns.

[Sigfan26]

I'd be really interested in hearing how people dress to conceal their EDC. Cover garment, or just shirt worn outside pants or what? Having trouble visualizing a full-size gun not printing under a polo shirt, even worn loosely outside pants. But, then, that might be because of my spare tire.

Is concealment more a function of holster type/placement (IWB vs AIWB), shirt type (button up vs polo), pattern on shirt (plaid vs solid color), simply a larger size, or what?

Thanks.

I'd snap a picture now, but it would require putting pants on. I can in the morning. I've always just used a loose tshirt (honestly, many of my tighter gym shirts even work).


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[L-2]

Lately, I've also been mainly carrying my G17Gen4, inside the waistband, with an older Sidearmor.com holster.
In reality, I've got almost every size of Glock and may carry any one of them on a given day or occasion.

Today, I wore a G30SF all day as I went to the range to shoot a .45 Auto 1911. I'll usually wear the same caliber I'm shooting. If the gun I'm working with at the range breaks for some reason, I'll not have totally wasted the trip to the range and can at least shoot the gun I'm wearing, as I will have brought a few hundred rounds of ammo with me in the same caliber. I also like to stay proficient with all the guns I own.

[JAD]

15 degree cant holsters worn right at the point of my hip keep the grip within the profile of my torso. I wear sport coats in winter and much of the summer at work. Off hours I wear untucked flannels in winter and untucked thick polos in summer, always with a pattern.

[YVK]

Is concealment more a function of holster type/placement (IWB vs AIWB), shirt type (button up vs polo), pattern on shirt (plaid vs solid color), simply a larger size, or what?

Thanks.

All of the above. Sometimes even a belt buckle of free flap matters. To conceal a real size gun, I have to wear a loose fitting closed front garment, generally of a dark color, and +1 size pants. The IWB prints the same as AIWB to me except it prints in the area that's less looked at and is also covered by a natural arm position. I generally spend quite a bit of time in front of the mirror moving because static position is very deceiving.

[BobM]

Right now I'm carrying my issue M&P40/TLR off duty in a IWB. I have full size M&Ps of my own in 9 and 40. I almost always have one of those on. In summer I'll carry one IWB with an unbuttoned shirt over a T-shirt.


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[Rick62]

G17 Gen 4 AIWB with a reload and a china pick when off duty and wearing pants. I don't feel like I have to make any particular effort to conceal effectively- some type of casual pant and an untucked t shirt or polo. I wear what I consider "normal" fitting clothes- so not fitted smedium shirts and skinny jeans, but not dressed like a slob either.
I'm certain that body type or build can play a large role here: wide shoulders and some time in the gym allows most shirts to hang on me in a way that makes concealing a full size gun a non-issue. That being said, there are plenty of smaller framed folks out there carrying similar gear- and often quite a bit more, so I don't think you have to win the genetic lottery to pull it off.
I think a lot of folks who carry smaller gats do so because it fits their perceived needs. Plenty of people are comfortable living the J frame- or G43 or shield or... lifestyle.
This doesn't account for folks who work or travel frequently in a TRUE NPE environment- something DB touched on, and something I don't really encounter and am wholly unqualified to assess.




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[SLG]

SLG, what are you generally wearing with your 17? Would it be an imposition for you to show a torso shot with firearm covered and uncovered?

I love my 19 (and 26) but would not be averse to being wooed by a 17.

Thanks, brother.

Not an imposition, but maybe not terribly useful either. A photo of a guy standing still in 2 dimensions shows you nothing about his concealment, imo.

I generally wear a polo in the warmer weather and some kind of warmer top in colder weather. A fleece pullover or zip up for function, a nice merino or cashmere sweater for dressier casual. Lots of variations on those themes, but no button ups, as they don't work as well for me to draw from. Basically I always wear an untucked casual top with a solid hem. I do wear aiwb in a suit as well. Standing still with my jacket open is no issue as the tie covers my belt buckle, and the jacket covers my hardware. A nice benefit of aiwb in a suit is that I can actually button my jacket like a man is supposed to, yet still draw just as easily as if it was open or under a polo.

Some of my polos are a little looser and bigger than I would prefer, so I also have some really nice fitted ones that show off the guns. Mine, not Gaston's. :-) I think those are marginal concealment, but they still seem to work well.

[DocSabo40]

Is concealment more a function of holster type/placement (IWB vs AIWB), shirt type (button up vs polo), pattern on shirt (plaid vs solid color), simply a larger size, or what?

Thanks.

Shirt length makes a difference as well. Given the same fit of a medium shirt on me, a shorter shirt will drape naturally over the gun, while a longer shirt will go past the gun then curve in towards my body, accenting the bulge where the gun is.

[ReverendMeat]

Beretta 92 AIWB for the past few month, under a polo shirt but it's sweatshirt weather now. In a t-shirt it concealed fine when I was still exercising; pushups/bench press helped a lot.

[Robinson]

Until recently a 5" 1911, now a Lightweight Commander. I have an AIWB holster on order for the Lwt Cmdr also.

[Robert Mitchum]

M&P 45 or HK 45 ..... OWB leather holster.

[KneeShot]

5" 1911, TT Gunleather XC Slim at 3 O' clock, spare mag at the 9-10 o'clock.

Holster makes the difference. I normally wear medium anything and can conceal that in a large black t-shirt. Regular fitting Button ups, polo's, sweaters etc, work great over a t shirt.

The key for me is the angle of the grip. I need 15degrees or more to not stick out when I bend over or reach for something. Even w/ a Glock 19, need 15degrees or more and spaced out belt loops, no loops directly next to the gun or they print in a t-shirt.

XDS in a JMCK AIWB works well in a tshirt.

Gotta get a XCslim for my G19 and give it a whirl. Love that holster.

[Paul Sharp]

...Who here actually carries a full size pistol everyday? Not just in uniform, but concealed as well?

I see people mention things like G26's or G43's for "times when a full size won't conceal." What times are those? I carry my G17 all day, everyday (not including field uses, like hunting or woods bumming).

So, how many of you actually carry a full size for everything all the time?

1) In the words of Jeff Spicoli; Right here dude. On/off duty.

2) Something smaller in an NPE or similar circumstance where getting burned is a really, really bad thing.

3) I would prefer to carry a full size for everything all the time and fortunately I've been able to arrange things so the times I can't are few and far between however, the honest answer is I don't carry a full size for everything all the time. If I had to put a number on it though, I'd say I'm in the 95-98% of the time area.

[Tom Givens]

Glock 35 IWB in a JM Custom Kydex IWB #3. Most days, khakis with a Columbia fishing shirt, but still wear the same rig in a suit or sport coat.

[Up1911Fan]

Duty gun is a Gen4 G22. My EDC is a Gen4 G17 chopped to take 19 mags, although I carried a 17 for several years and would gladly do so again. Carried in a JMCK AIWB. A G43 in a DSG clip on is my gym shorts around the house gun, or in a JMCK Tuckable AIWB when my shirt is tucked in but i'm not wearing a jacket.

[Arbninftry]

Lou Alessi PCH for a 5" 1911
Or currently a George for a HK45C which is not a very small pistol. It all goes back to a good holster.

Carry what you can , but don't bitch out on the holster, and you might have to experiment a couple times to see what works for you.

And wardrobe, wardrobe, wardrobe, dress around the smoke wagon.

[ssb]

Work carry will not permit a full-sized pistol so I no longer fit your "all the time" criteria. However, I carry a G17 Gen 4 when in casual clothes and carry AIWB, currently in JRC's Watson Special. My normal casual dress is untucked button-down shirts (slim fit/fitted/etc. -- not baggy) and jeans so I find it pretty easy to conceal a G17.

Referencing your question of when something like a G26 comes into play, the main niche for me is when I need to wear lighter, tighter clothing. The G17 has just enough grip length to where, if printing is a serious concern, it's not doable in well-fitting t-shirts in summer when the weather decides to imitate a sweat lodge. However, there are are a few others. As stated by nyeti, my rule is to carry as much gun as the situation allows, and right now my life is varied enough to where that standard changes at various points of my day. If all I can get away with is a J-Frame in a bellyband and a Clinch Pick on a pocket shield, that's what I'll do. If I don't care about minor printing in the summer -- going shopping, hanging out in a crowd where I don't care if they know I carry, etc. -- the G17 will ride under a t-shirt if the weather dictates. If it absolutely cannot be seen and the dress is casual -- for example, certain social functions -- the G26 will get the nod, likely alongside a pocket carried J-Frame. I could alleviate almost all of this by simply buying bigger shirts but I prefer wearing clothes that fit well.

[scw2]

I do wear aiwb in a suit as well. Standing still with my jacket open is no issue as the tie covers my belt buckle, and the jacket covers my hardware. A nice benefit of aiwb in a suit is that I can actually button my jacket like a man is supposed to, yet still draw just as easily as if it was open or under a polo.

SLG, when you aiwb in a suit is the gun under your shirt also, or are you wearing it outside your dress shirt and clearing the jacket only?

[scw2]

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[Joe in PNG]

For hot weather, I found that the lightweight button up Columbia shirts designed for offshore fishing conceal pretty good, and keep one pretty cool besides

[deputyG23]

I carry the "company gun", a gen 4 G23 in a Glock sport combat polymer holster with one mag in a matching Glock mag pouch about 50% of the time. My old work G3 G22 does about 40% and the G27 about 10%.
A loose polo or heavy pullover in cold weather hides them nicely. If a G17 or 22 was the issued gun, it would be carried more.

[Little Creek]

Glock G17

[fixer]

There are literally situations where I can't carry...but outside of those rare situations, I carry full size pistol all the time.

[Hambo]

Beretta 92 IWB and J frame AIWB (no suspenders needed). It's going to be 82 on Christmas, so Columbia fishing shirts are always in style and blend in with every other dude. Dark polos work too. Since I've cut a few pounds I might try the 92 AIWB and pocket carry the J.

[bravo7]

34 length......rmrd comped G19 in AIWB

[blues]

Next time I run by the FFL in town I'll wear my 19 in the 17/19 sized DSG holster and try out a 17 if they have one on hand. Obviously the length won't be an issue as I'm already wearing a 17 length holster comfortably.

The only reason I'm not really familiar with the 17 is that I bought the 19 twenty-eight years ago and then our agency eventually issued the same models I already owned personally. Never felt a need to switch or under gunned.

That said, might be fun to see how the bigger brother feels in my hand and tucked in AIWB.

Thanks for the food for thought, gents.

[172driver]

To be honest I can't tell much of a difference in concealment between my Government model and my G43. Both carried IWB in Milt Sparks leather. I'm also 6', 150lbs, which tends to work to my advantage.

[11B10]

15 degree cant holsters worn right at the point of my hip keep the grip within the profile of my torso. I wear sport coats in winter and much of the summer at work. Off hours I wear untucked flannels in winter and untucked thick polos in summer, always with a pattern.



And right there is a key to polos/t-shirt wear ("always with a pattern"), to which I'd like to add: always something medium to dark. Anything to break up the outline.

[11B10]

This jives with my rule of carrying as many and as much gun as you can with your current situation. Most of my life I have not cared if I printed a little or the gigantic fanny pack was a give away. I looked like a cop and was not fooling any body. At least I was carrying a full size service gun. When wearing basketball shorts around he house, an airweight J frame works. My current job requires total discretion....total change in what I am using. On my days off...back to a VP9 and a J frame. So, in short, if I can carry a full size gun I do.
I just submitted two articles today from a three part series on living an armed lifestyle and different types of popular carry guns and how they fit. Part III covers the service size guns.



Forgive me for being so ig-nurnt, but where were those articles submitted? I'm dying to read 'em.

[ER_STL]

G19 pretty much everywhere I can carry. I work in a very NPE environment and simply don't chance it there. I don't feel the need to hide behind my couch or under the bed while not armed so I tough it out. :p

Since picking up a JM Custom Kydex AIWB with a foam wedge, I've found that printing at the grip is no longer an issue. I can easily conceal a G17 in normal to athletic clothing if I wanted but I handle and shoot the G19 better. I am guilty of occasionally wearing shirts that show off my guns, but not to the level of frequency that SLG apparently does, as he likes to advertise everywhere he goes. I'm simply a much more modest guy...

Joking aside it's hard to deny the benefit of a healthy build. Wide shoulders and a smaller waist make it easier to hide a larger gun without having to wear an XXXXL shirt.

[Hi-Point Aficionado]

An important consideration in choosing a handgun, is whether being made can result in termination of your employment, a jail sentence or another very bad outcome...

I'm not saying this is why I carry my 42 more than anything else. Will admit that my cycling and other active outdoors habits make a fullsize pistol cramp my style.

Did carry a Beretta 96FS as a belt gun for a year and a half. It concealed as well as the Glock 23 that replaced it but the starboard safety lever ate my shirts too quickly for my wallet to appreciate. And do strap on my 96D more often than I should considering my current USP compact belt gun. Just can't wash myself of the 92 series.

[Wondering Beard]

I'm just a civilian who has a lot of leeway when it comes to dress, so that means loose untucked polo in summer and sweaters in winter. All of which make it pretty easy to conceal a full size gun.

For years, I went back and forth between a full size 1911 and a G19 and had finally settled on the G19 (less soul and I didn't have to care that much about how I treated it) but last month I decided to start carrying a G17 (gen 3, the newly purchased gen 4 hasn't been vetted yet) as it felt I was shooting it better than the G19 (not by much at all results wise, I just felt I had better control with the longer handle). We'll see how it works out when the hot summer months come, but I don't foresee a need to change to the smaller G19.

[flux]

Compact all the time. Though I understand why some prefer to carry smaller due to work restrictions. For me there's even a difference between the G26 and G 19,

[SLG]

SLG, when you aiwb in a suit is the gun under your shirt also, or are you wearing it outside your dress shirt and clearing the jacket only?

Over the shirt, just under the jacket. Many years ago I had to dig a grave for a friend's daughter. That was the only time anyone saw or commented on my aiwb/suit combo.


I might add, for my purposes, the grip is really the issue. The length of the tube doesn't mean much to me. So for instance, my "Roland Special" conceals much easier than my G17. People with different builds may have just the opposite experience, idk. The big issue with Glocks, for me, is trying to get the grip at an optimal draw angle, while still concealing the butt and the slide. Not easy, and I usually compromise on the optimal angle to favor better concealment.

[Lon]

I've carried 226s and Beretta 92 versions AIWB on many occasion. It's a little harder to conceal the butt of the pistol for me under just a polo than during the cold times of the year when I'm usually wearing a hoodie or other sweater/sweatshirt. I've gotten away from the bigger pistols just because I don't shoot them better than the 229/19/07 size pistols.

[Slalom.45]

I love my G17 and carry it when I can. I also have a 43 that I don't love, but carry a lot when lighter clothes prevail. (Which is often in Louisiana)

In truth I have felt kind of guilty when "only" carrying the 43. Then watching the "2016 trainer's summit" videos I hear office, swat trainer, grand master, and awesome 3 gunner Keith Garcia say that his EDC when not on duty is a PM9 in a pocket holster. Maybe I shouldn't feel so guilty????

[David S.]

Depends on dress.

If I'm not at work: I live in jeans/shorts, an undershirt, and an un-tucked t-shirt or polo. I've appendix carried a P226 for the last 5 years. Moving towards P30 or P2000 because weight. My wife buys me shirts that fit, not sized up. I print a little bit. I notice it, gun guys might notice, but nobody else seems to.

At work: 30.06/30.07 signs properly displayed at all doors. I'd definitely be fired if I got caught CCW'ing. As an instructor in my field, I regularly stand in front of a class for up to 8 hours a day. My work uniform is slacks and tucked in button-down shirt. Jacket or vest aren't an option. Belt clips would get noticed. The best option I've found is a compact/sub-compact in a Smart Carry. The draw is so slow and complicated that I've basically ruled the gun out for any direct assault against me, and certainly for an entangled fight. In fact, the only time it's usable is if I'm standing and have several unimpeded seconds to gain access. Additionally, it's hard to imagine being able safely re-holstering after a DGU. It really is a terrible option, but it's better than leaving the gun at home.

[Tabasco]

"I'd be really interested in hearing how people dress to conceal their EDC. Cover garment, or just shirt worn outside pants or what? Having trouble visualizing a full-size gun not printing under a polo shirt, even worn loosely outside pants. But, then, that might be because of my spare tire.

Is concealment more a function of holster type/placement (IWB vs AIWB), shirt type (button up vs polo), pattern on shirt (plaid vs solid color), simply a larger size, or what?

Thanks."


As I get older, I find I have more stuff to carry around, glasses, phone, etc. I'm a big fan of "travel vests" for this purpose:

http://www.columbia.com/mens-silver-ridge-vest-AM1019.html?cgid=men-jacketsVests-vests&dwvar_AM1019_variationColor=028#start=12

These are great for summer carry, no insulation, good ventilation and it doesn't look out of place like a fishing vest or 9.11 vest might in an urban environment. If you carry right handed, the draw string thingy on the bottom is on the left, so there's no possibility of it getting in the holster and creating a ND situation. I carry AIWB under an untucked T Shirt or polo type shirt. My P229's grip can print somewhat, the vest covers this up nicely. I wear it open in front. Never been "made" to my knowledge, but most people are not looking for gun anyway, unless you dress like a "gangsta" or something that draws attention to you as someone who might be packing heat. These days, people wear all sorts of gadgets on their belt so a lump on your belt line won't scream "gun" unless you are dressed in a way that might point to that type of thing. Nobody's really looking anyway.

On another note, one good reason for EDC "every day carry" is that it gets you accustomed to being armed on a subconscious level. People who don't routinely carry can feel awkward when they do, and can telegraph their nervousness which can give you away to those who are tuned in or indicate that you are nervous about something. Some folks around here (my geographic location, not this forum) who have CCW permits like to talk about how they have one but never carry as it's a hassle or something like that. Those are the people who might get made when they do, as they are really not comfortable doing so, and really have no clue to the art of concealment, as it is an art.

[JAD]

http://www.columbia.com/mens-silver-ridge-vest-AM1019.html?cgid=men-jacketsVests-vests&dwvar_AM1019_variationColor=028#start=12

I have that same vest and wear it a lot to work in the summer when it's too hot for a sportcoat.

[Cecil Burch]

M-F 8AM-5:30PM every week I have to dress a certain way for my profession. Essentially you can call it casual business i.e. I wear dress slacks, and a nice dress shirt with a tie. In AZ, especially about 9 months out of the year, it would be extremely out of place for someone like me to wear a jacket of any kind into client meetings/office visits. I would stand out like a giant beacon of oddness. For more formal meetings and the occasional situation, sure, but those are few and far between. Even going to some of the nicest restaurants in town, you would tend to stand out most of the year in any kind of jacket. AZ, like SoCal, is a much more casual place to live. In addition, I cannot wear the clothes in a sloppy manner because again, it would stand out. So that really prevents me from properly concealing a full size pistol. Even with a SmartCarry/belly band set up, it is not just doable. It is certainly not worth the awful financial penalties I would face to be caught. So something like a PPS in a bellyband, a snub in a pocket, or similar becomes the only realistic solution for me. My daughter is in an even worse position - a job that has stringent dress clothes, plus she is a young professional and is expected to dress stylishly when not actively on the job. Modern young women's styles are not conducive to optimal concealment.

Away from work, I definitely never found an issue with being able to carry a full size. For a few years, my main pistol was a M&Pfs, and in the right holster like a Keepers or an SME, I could carry in just a t-shirt generally without problems.

[Cypher]

Who here actually carries a full size pistol everyday? Not just in uniform, but concealed as well?

I see people mention things like G26's or G43's for "times when a full size won't conceal." What times are those? I carry my G17 all day, everyday (not including field uses, like hunting or woods bumming).

So, how many of you actually carry a full size for everything all the time?

I'm not sure if this qualifies.

I live in an apartment complex, if I am in my apartment or walking my dogs around the complex (basically anytime I'm not actually leaving the grounds) I carry an M&P9C.

If I am leaving the grounds I carry a M&P9.

The only deviation would be if my wife needs to go to the store and I already have the 9C.

[rjohnson4405]

I can carry a full size double stack anytime it's cooler or I'm in a button down.

However, when it's 90+ in Charleston with 90% humidity and I'm just in board shorts and a tshirt, my clip on LCR still works where a full size is too heavy. Can even go to the beach like this.

Khaki shorts and a tshirt my single stack P225A1 carries a little better.

Anything else and a full size works just fine.

[JHC]

Something PSBT4117 struck me and I'm curious to see how this pans out.

I started my LE career with a G19, but as a civilian, I carried a 5" 1911 before that. After the G19, I was issued a Sig 228 then 229, then 229R. All mid size, compact guns. They shot like full size, but carried a little easier. With the Sigs in particular, I could never accurately determine if the 226 was better or the 229. The results were always so close. My next duty gun was a G22, 3rd gen. Not a fan favorite, but it worked for a year until I could upgrade to a 5" 1911 again. Stuck with that for a few years, then went back to the G22 for reasons related to long term and short term injuries in my hands and wrists. Went back to the 1911 again a couple years later when I was healed up. Carried that until about 2 years ago when I switched to a gen4 G22. Awesome gun. Then a year ago switched to a gen 4 G17. Awesomer gun.

I handle the G17 better than the G19, though the tested results are almost identical, much like the 229/226. Nonetheless, I much prefer the G17, and carry it by choice over everything else today (that I can choose from). I'm a small guy, and have never had difficulty concealing or carrying a full size gun. Well, not once the Shaggy and SME came along, now with the JM custom I can carry the G17 with a light on it as well, so win win.

Who here actually carries a full size pistol everyday? Not just in uniform, but concealed as well?

I see people mention things like G26's or G43's for "times when a full size won't conceal." What times are those? I carry my G17 all day, everyday (not including field uses, like hunting or woods bumming).

So, how many of you actually carry a full size for everything all the time?

GJM's first post summed it up.

No badge and in close proximity with the same folks daily.

So I choose the 19 as often as possible but scale to a 26 or 43 if appropriate dress and discretion argues for it.

Although 5' 10" (used to be 5' 11" ;) ) I don't have the shoulders of my lads and don't get the drape from garments they do.

Great topic.

[jnc36rcpd]

I always carried the issue revolvers back in the day. (Granted, the few weeks with a five-inch barrel S&W were challenging. When we issued SIG's, I usually carried the 226 and 226R in various IWB holsters. I did sometimes carry a 228 or 229. While I'm not enthusiastic about the current issue FNS-9, I don't find it problematic to conceal although finding holsters can be some work. I do carry by back-up Shield when working out, going to the range with my FNS-9, and in restricted states.

[Cypher]

"I'd be really interested in hearing how people dress to conceal their EDC. Cover garment, or just shirt worn outside pants or what? Having trouble visualizing a full-size gun not printing under a polo shirt, even worn loosely outside pants. But, then, that might be because of my spare tire.

Is concealment more a function of holster type/placement (IWB vs AIWB), shirt type (button up vs polo), pattern on shirt (plaid vs solid color), simply a larger size, or what?

Thanks."


When I was in Jr. High School I started wearing Jeans, a black T-Shirt and a flannel shirt every day. The components have changed a little over time, now I'll wear a hoodie or a Cabella's shirt instead of a Flannel or a pull over but generally when I'm not at work that's how my circle expects to see me (if you're in my circle you know I have a gun anyway.). Plus Clorado so you can pretty much get away with an over shirt of some kind all year long

[sierra 223]

When I first started working almost 28 years ago it was the issued M-64 or my back up Chief. Early 90,s we went with the SIG 226, off duty I carried it or sometimes a 232, 225, 228, and 229 over the years.

I am 5' 10" 180 now days, the SIG,s were always kinda hard for me to conceal vs the Gen-3 Glocks that I went to about 15 years ago.

Now that I have went all Glock I used to carry the Gen-3 19 off duty but for the last several years its been my on duty Gen-3 17 both on and off duty.

For me the 17 is not that much harder to carry. I now also up graded from one spare mag to two.

For several years I always carried off duty in the same Blade Tech IWB for the 19 and the 17. But now due to nerve irritation in my right hip caused by carrying on and off duty for so long, I carry 99% of time in a OWB X-Concealment "C" holster which conceals very well and causes my leg to go numb less often.

The reason for the 17 and double spare mag is mostly due to the changing of times and being able to get better consistent drawing grip on the 17 vs 19.

[karmapolice]

I started out with a gen3 19 when I was 21 and then moved to a 5" 1911 for a couple of years. The 1911 was carried iwb in a milt sparks. I also carried a 19 iwb and AIWB for a little bit but mostly the 1911. I then switched to a full size M&P 9 as the agency I worked for issued 40 full size M&P's at the time. I mostly carried that iwb with a light in a secret city weaponeers light bearing iwb rig ( I actually got my order before it uh yeah lol). For awhile I also carried it owb using a open button up as a Concealment garment, which I also did with another 5" 1911 then a 17 and a 34 all with lights.

I then made the switch back to AIWB for off duty concealed carry (a couple years ago) and have rocked a 17, 34, and 19. The 34 was my uniform carry at work but I'm now carrying a 19 in a non uniform position. Therefore I've settled on the 19 as my main platform as I have three now. Recently I've run owb concealed again occasionally but prefer AIWB. I run my 19 in a Dark Star Gear AIWB holster for a 17 (his newest rendition).

I carried a 26 or tried once when I was younger it didn't geehaw with me at all. That's the only time I've ever carried anything smaller than a 19 in the past 9+ years that I've been legally allowed to carry concealed.

[jetfire]

I'd be really interested in hearing how people dress to conceal their EDC. Cover garment, or just shirt worn outside pants or what? Having trouble visualizing a full-size gun not printing under a polo shirt, even worn loosely outside pants. But, then, that might be because of my spare tire.

Is concealment more a function of holster type/placement (IWB vs AIWB), shirt type (button up vs polo), pattern on shirt (plaid vs solid color), simply a larger size, or what?

Thanks.

For the last year I carried a revolving door of full size 1911s at the AIWB position, and now I'm carrying a Gen3 Glock 22 at the same spot. I've found that with good holster selection it conceals just fine under an untucked t-shirt or polo shirt. In the summer I carried all the time under t-shirts or polos. In the spring/fall/winter the addition of a pullover means I can carry all kinds of nonsense AIWB if I wanted to.

[alohadoug]

For the last year I carried a revolving door of full size 1911s at the AIWB position, and now I'm carrying a Gen3 Glock 22 at the same spot. I've found that with good holster selection it conceals just fine under an untucked t-shirt or polo shirt. In the summer I carried all the time under t-shirts or polos. In the spring/fall/winter the addition of a pullover means I can carry all kinds of nonsense AIWB if I wanted to.

Why the switch?

[jwperry]

I'm 5'11", 230lbs, athletic build. I wear full button up shirts pretty much exclusively. Physical concealment of a full sized handgun, worn inside my waistband isn't overly difficult year-round. And I live in Central Florida and regularly play in the swamps & on the beach.

I'm in the same boat as SLG; I've been working against a shot timer pretty hard since October and I can't find any difference in my shooting ability between a M11A1/P228 hybrid or my Mk25s. If anything, I'm actually a little faster out of the holster and on target with the M11A1/P228 combo, but my groupings aren't as great. So I wear the Mk25.

I have had no issues concealing my Mk25 under a tucked in button up shirt in a JRC AIWB CDA II holster; the black belt loop matches my dress belt perfectly so no one has noticed. I did have to get some "loud shoes" so that the sound of leather creaking in the holster doesn't raise too many eye brows. Everyone at work knows me as "the gun guy" or "the shooter" so I'd easily be made if anyone put them together. I wear black undershirts (tight fitting Columbia breathable t-shirts) so that if a "peek" of the gun can be seen through the buttons, it would be written off as my dark undershirt.

For good measure, I've been trying to work with my 1911 more recently and haven't had issues concealing it while out with the family(again, worn in a JRC CDA II). We've been Christmas shopping in Orlando and all over Disney (which has a beefed up security presence compared to last year) and no one has given me a 2nd look. The 1911 conceals a little better because it is flatter, it doesn't cause my belt locking area to look so poofy.

[Paul Sharp]

...For good measure, I've been trying to work with my 1911 more recently and haven't had issues concealing it while out with the family(again, worn in a JRC CDA II). We've been Christmas shopping in Orlando and all over Disney (which has a beefed up security presence compared to last year) and no one has given me a 2nd look. The 1911 conceals a little better because it is flatter, it doesn't cause my belt locking area to look so poofy.

The easiest pistol for me to conceal, by far, has been a 1911. Bearing in mind that my normal dress code is jeans and a concert t-shirt. But then I had a conversation with TLG about multiple opponents and a few weeks after that conversation I talked to Tom Givens who told me I need a 3 bad guy gun which means a gun with at least 10 rounds on board. I started carrying a 92.

[Crashpad]

I've carried a G19 AIWB year round (Georgia, so mostly t-shirts, short sleeve button downs and polos, all untucked) for several years now, only substituting a Shield or J frame for NPE stuff.
Recently I picked up a G17 Gen4 with the intent to have the grip chopped to take G19 mags. I ended up carrying it a little and liking it and have pretty much made the switch, buying a second G17 to go with it.

For reference, I'm 5'8", sitting at about 170lbs as I type this and rarely tuck any shirt unless I absolutely have to.

[Cory]

I carry a G17gen4. I carry strong side. I wear button up shirts alot, polo shirts, henley shirts. All of them untucked. I sometimes have printing when moving at odd angles.

Something not mentioned so far is weight/thickness. I find my 17 far easier to conceal when wearing a Shmidt button up thats stiffier and thicker than a thin henley. Most arent looking for a pistol, so i get away with the thin henley. But slightly thicker, darker, properly fit shirts work best for me. Oversized can hang up on the gun after getting out of a car, undersized print all the time. Thats my 2cents.

-Cory

[jetfire]

Why the switch?

I finished the project that I was doing that involved shooting 1911s.

[xmanhockey7]

I carry a full size 1911 with X300U appendix on a regular basis. I'm also not a big guy by anyone's standards. I have to be careful what t-shirts I wear, but other than that it conceals pretty well. I will still carry a G19, Shield, or J-frame. A lot of it comes down to where I'm going, what I'm wearing, and if I really feel like carrying around a full size 1911.

[jwperry]

I carry a full size 1911 with X300U appendix on a regular basis. I'm also not a big guy by anyone's standards. I have to be careful what t-shirts I wear, but other than that it conceals pretty well. I will still carry a G19, Shield, or J-frame. A lot of it comes down to where I'm going, what I'm wearing, and if I really feel like carrying around a full size 1911.
What holster are you using for the 1911/X300U combo?

[Amp]

I carry a full size 1911 daily in a Raven Concealment Phantom with the tuckable IWB "C" clamps. The gun disappears with the shirt slightly bloused. A spare 10rd Chip McCormick mag in my pocket.

[Lost River]

For a long time my primary gun was a 5" 1911. First my old 70 Series, then when Kimber came out, a Gen 1 Kimber.

When I started carrying a plastic gun for work, a G21 .45, I CCW'd it off duty, but found the 1911 did better for me in that role. When I did E.P. for the governor I ran a 1911, as it worked better with a suit than the issued G21.

As far as today goes, I carry a G19 most often followed by a Gen 2 G17. Periodically I still carry a 5" Government Model, more so in cold weather. In fact the last 3 days I have been carrying my Baer 1911.

I really like the way the Gen 2 G17 feels and I shoot it a bit better than my G19s.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/Handguns/IMG_0787_zpskshdfsor.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/Handguns/IMG_0787_zpskshdfsor.jpg.html)

[11B10]

[QUOTE=JHC;540524]GJM's first post summed it up.

No badge and in close proximity with the same folks daily.

Although 5' 10" (used to be 5' 11" ;) )



Off thread, but that's my specialty. Two things that never sleep: rust and gravity. I used to be 6'2" before I started deadlifting and got old. Now I'm 6' on a good day.

[blues]

[QUOTE=JHC;540524]GJM's first post summed it up.

No badge and in close proximity with the same folks daily.

Although 5' 10" (used to be 5' 11" ;) )



Off thread, but that's my specialty. Two things that never sleep: rust and gravity. I used to be 6'2" before I started deadlifting and got old. Now I'm 6' on a good day.

Seems I shrunk an inch in height recently as well. I tried to argue with the nurse but she wasn't having it.

[11B10]

[QUOTE=11B10;540634]

Seems I shrunk an inch in height recently as well. I tried to argue with the nurse but she wasn't having it.



Geez, I didn't think of arguing, I got caught standing on my tip toes.

[Chipster]

This fall I went back to the Glock 17 platform as I noticed my performance dropping off due to me switching between too many platforms. I originally went back to my CCC Shaggy before acquiring a JMCK AIWB for my G17 w/xc1. I don't really care for the "extra tuck" over the standard version that I had for my SIG, so I may be ordering a new one.

I'm 6'0" and 225 lbs. I work UC/plainclothes everyday. Occasionally I have to wear khakis and a sweater/untucked polo/quarter-zip. I rarely wear a suit except for court but when I do it's AIWB as well. A suit actually makes it easier for me to carry concealed. I usually have my G17, clinch pic or Surefire echo, and reload on my belt. The rest is in my cargo shirt pockets. I can get away with the shorts even into winter weather due to the job I do usually keeps me in my car. When I worked sex crimes it was a little tougher as people expected a tucked in shirt. This led me to having a local seamstress shorten my shirts as I usually ordered a 2XL to cover everything up. Normally I wear a XL.

[blues]

In connection with SLG's OP, I'd be interested in what method of belt attachment you use in connection with your holsters?

Pull-The-Dot? Fixed soft loops? Solid Kydex Loop? Split Kydex Loop? FOMI clip? Metal Clip (like the DSG or JMCK Universal)?

Thanks for indulging my curiosity.

SLG, if you would prefer I make this question a separate thread it would be no problem.

[SLG]

In connection with SLG's OP, I'd be interested in what method of belt attachment you use in connection with your holsters?

Pull-The-Dot? Fixed soft loops? Solid Kydex Loop? Split Kydex Loop?


Yes.

[Wondering Beard]

In connection with SLG's OP, I'd be interested in what method of belt attachment you use in connection with your holsters?

Pull-The-Dot? Fixed soft loops? Solid Kydex Loop? Split Kydex Loop? FOMI clip? Metal Clip (like the DSG or JMCK Universal)?

Thanks for indulging my curiosity.

SLG, if you would prefer I make this question a separate thread it would be no problem.

Split or solid Kydex loops.

I'm not as thin or as in shape as I once was and the kydex loops help in minimizing the gun rolling forward a bit from my too soft middle by keeping the gun tight against the belt.

[blues]

Yes.

Succinct and smart ass with one terse flourish. ;)

[SLG]

Succinct and smart ass with one terse flourish. ;)

I currently run a split loop kydex, but will be switching back to fixed soft loops in the not too distant future. I'm fine with any of those, but my lizard brain thinks the soft loops are tougher.

[ER_STL]

Succinct and smart ass with one terse flourish. ;)

I don't want to drift the thread too much but the split kydex loop is solid but it does add bulk at the belt-line...at least for me anyway. I have yet to try the soft loops.

[blues]

I currently run a split loop kydex, but will be switching back to fixed soft loops in the not too distant future. I'm fine with any of those, but my lizard brain thinks the soft loops are tougher.

You prefer sans snaps to avoid the extra width or other reason?

[SLG]

You prefer sans snaps to avoid the extra width or other reason?

I have not broken a snap on a holster, but I have broken more than a couple of snaps in my life. I think the fixed loops are stronger and lower profile. I never need to take my holster off until it is bed time, so any quick on/off feature is wasted on me. I am using snap soft loops on my CP sheath and my aiwb mag pouch, and they are working fine. I'm still up in the air about which goes in front, so the snap has allowed me to easily experiment throughout the day and with different cover garments.

[blues]

This is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for. Appreciate it.

I just put a pair of PTD loops on my JMCK "George" this evening and I really like them so far though I haven't tried summer weight garb to compare to the solid kydex loop the holster originally shipped with.

I like the security and solidity of the solid kydex loop but it "squeaked" a bit and the flexibility of the PTD's feel somewhat more natural.

The metal clip on Tom's DSG holster is very secure, doesn't squeak and has the advantage of easy on /off. I like it a lot. Would be perfect if it fit a 1.5" belt just a bit more snugly to avoid having the grip rotate toward the belt occasionally.

I like the idea of fixed soft loops as well but I've wanted to see just how secure the alternatives might prove.

[Matt O]

I currently run a split loop kydex, but will be switching back to fixed soft loops in the not too distant future. I'm fine with any of those, but my lizard brain thinks the soft loops are tougher.

I broke two split loops this past summer and have switched almost all holsters over to soft loops.

[blues]

I broke two split loops this past summer and have switched almost all holsters over to soft loops.

PTD or fixed?

[Matt O]

PTD or fixed?

Fixed, I've since replaced with the soft PTD loops. I think this was an issue due to the fact that, at least for me, a full size pistol is subjected to more stress on the fixed loop as I get up and sit down than a smaller pistol/holster would be. The soft loops, at least in theory, give and thereby help the holster adjust to the belt and current body position rather than just cracking.

The only disadvantage I've found thus far is, a fixed loop will, by nature, present the butt of the pistol at a more consistent position for draws, all things considered. This isn't a huge issue, however, and can be mitigated with belt type and tension.

[rathos]

I have always carried the same thing concealed as I have while on duty. Started out with the 1911 but swapped back to the Glock 17 gen 3 when I became an instructor for the department. Seems to give the students more confidence when I am using the same pistol they have. Carry in a JM custom IWB2. Carry a spare mag in a snag mag. Stopped carry a light on my duty gun after we had a perp stick her fingers in one of our Sgts holster and get a round off, so I don't worry about having to take off a light or swapping any thing out when going from uniform to off duty.

[AMC]

I carry my department issued Sig 226 .40 and 2 spare mags. 'One gun' and all that. Holster is a RCS Phantom, magazines carried in CCC basic pouches. Belt is a well worn Milt Sparks (actually I have a couple). Occasionally on my days off I'll switch to my 239 with 2 spare magazines.....but only for walking the dog or running to friends houses. I definitely prefer having a full size gun on me, and at 5'11" and 200 lbs I don't have an issue concealing it.

[imp1295]

Since I'm actually only able to Cary when NOT on Duty (really love that about the DOD), I'm almost always in a casual, untucked , straight hem, closed front shirt.

I prefer a heavy cotton twill polo in warmer months. The "tech" fibers simple drape to closing and don't have the 'body' to drape off of my front over the holster and pistol.

With a CP and a spare mag there aren't any issues along my Volund belt line with this setup.

The issue for me, as with most, is grip length. In that it is actually easier for me to conceal a 92FS than a G17.




I broke two split loops this past summer and have switched almost all holsters over to soft loops.

I too broke a split loop last year. It lead me to trying PTD with my JM AIWB. Recently, because there was a bit of movement with the loops, I tried 'cross-snapping' the loops. I got the idea from watching one of Caleb's videos. Keeps the holster very stable and allows for less holster movement.


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[GJM]

Would you rather have a full size pistol with reduced capacity magazines, or a compact pistol with full size magazines?

[BlueDog2009]

Would you rather have a full size pistol with reduced capacity magazines, or a compact pistol with full size magazines?

I like full size guns due to the fact that many compacts pinch my fingers during fast reloads. If you use spacers on those full size mags with the compacts, they could pinch.

[blues]

I have not broken a snap on a holster, but I have broken more than a couple of snaps in my life. I think the fixed loops are stronger and lower profile. I never need to take my holster off until it is bed time, so any quick on/off feature is wasted on me. I am using snap soft loops on my CP sheath and my aiwb mag pouch, and they are working fine. I'm still up in the air about which goes in front, so the snap has allowed me to easily experiment throughout the day and with different cover garments.

You're such a fashionista. :p

[SLG]

You're such a fashionista. :p

Speaking of which, I've gotten some shirt questions over the years, the latest PM was in response to this thread.

The brand doesn't matter, as all of us are built differently. I look for heavy material, that looks good and will hold up to lots of washing and training. Very hard to find:-(

I usually end up using a cheaper polo for training and edc casual stuff, and a nicer one for nicer occasions. I have been known to have them hemmed in past years, so that the length is correct.

A shirt is every bit a part of my CCW gear as a good belt. Skimping on the shirt basically negates all the time and money spent on everything else. Find what works for you or have someone make it for you. It is not an area to compromise in.

[Newportl]

I came to this same conclusion when I switched to the P07. I had holsters made for the P09 due to the additional length, and carried the P07 in them. After acquiring a P09, and shooting it much better - I realized I could just carry it as well. JMCK holsters make it disappear for me under a button down untucked shirt.

[JAD]

I have gone to lands end interlock polos exclusively. Hearne and Givens can attest to how they work for me. There are two types of interlock, a smooth finish like this one http://www.landsend.com/products/mens-short-sleeve-print-supima-polo-shirt/id_284049?sku_0=::JRQ and a more woven, much thicker finish that I prefer, of which they don't have any patterned ones at the moment.

[blues]

I have gone to lands end interlock polos exclusively. Hearne and Givens can attest to how they work for me. There are two types of interlock, a smooth finish like this one http://www.landsend.com/products/mens-short-sleeve-print-supima-polo-shirt/id_284049?sku_0=::JRQ and a more woven, much thicker finish that I prefer, of which they don't have any patterned ones at the moment.

I have a couple of older Cabelas "Outfitter Series" polos that I picked up online some years back that are made out of a very nice heavy duty cotton.
Been a long time since I've shopped their stuff online so I don't even know if they are still available.

I have a bunch of LL Bean polos from some years back that seem to be a heavier knit than what may be offered today. I also prefer the thicker, rougher woven surface to the smooth finish on "finer" material.

Polos are my dress up shirts. It's good to live in the country. :p

[GJM]

Help me understand this focus on polo shirts as "equipment?" Do you also wear jackets?

[Paul Sharp]

Would you rather have a full size pistol with reduced capacity magazines, or a compact pistol with full size magazines?

I want the capacity of a full size mag.

After reading through the thread I have a question as well. Originally SLG posted; So, how many of you actually carry a full size for everything all the time?

Folks posted they carry a G19 or similar size pistol. Is the G19 or 9c sized pistols considered full size? And if so, when did that happen?

[GJM]

Folks posted they carry a G19 or similar size pistol. Is the G19 or 9c sized pistols considered full size? And if so, when did that happen?

When the high speed military guys picked the G19? :)

Kidding aside, I think there is a reasonable discussion to be had as to whether the appeal of a 17 over a 19 is due to some tiny increment of shootability for some shooters, increased magazine capacity, or pride. Personally, I think in terms of capacity as primary, and for example, would take a G19 or 26 with a standard capacity G17 magazine over a 17 or 34 with a ten round magazine.

[Paul Sharp]

When the high speed military guys picked the G19? :)

Kidding aside, I think there is a reasonable discussion to be had as to whether the appeal of a 17 over a 19 is due to some tiny increment of shootability for some shooters, increased magazine capacity, or pride. Personally, I think in terms of capacity as primary, and for example, would take a G19 or 26 with a standard capacity G17 magazine over a 17 or 34 with a ten round magazine.

;) That's how I make all my weapon and gear decisions, is it wrong?!

The most difficult concealment puzzle piece for me has always been the grip. If I can hide the grip the rest of the gun is a non-issue.

[Kirk]

Glock 35 IWB in a JM Custom Kydex IWB #3. Most days, khakis with a Columbia fishing shirt, but still wear the same rig in a suit or sport coat.


When the high speed military guys picked the G19? :)

Kidding aside, I think there is a reasonable discussion to be had as to whether the appeal of a 17 over a 19 is due to some tiny increment of shootability for some shooters, increased magazine capacity, or pride. Personally, I think in terms of capacity as primary, and for example, would take a G19 or 26 with a standard capacity G17 magazine over a 17 or 34 with a ten round magazine.

In competition there is about a 10% difference in G19 to G17, and 10% from G17 to G34 per people who have extensively broken it down. Now, I have no clue how that translates at all to defensive shootings/CCW because that isn't an area I have any expertise on.

ETA: didn't mean to quote Tom Givens.

[blues]

In competition there is about a 10% difference in G19 to G17, and 10% from G17 to G34 per people who have extensively broken it down. Now, I have no clue how that translates at all to defensive shootings/CCW because that isn't an area I have any expertise on.

I can't speak for the difference between the 19 and 17 because I never owned nor was issued a 17. But I can say that between a 19 and 26 my personal experience over the past 20 years shows extremely little difference...with the 26 oftentimes coming out ahead. (Offered simply for the pertinence to frame and grip size...not to turn the conversation away from the concealed carrying of full sized handguns.)

[TheNewbie]

My problem is I like to tuck my shirt in. Even though I'm a younger guy and it may not be the most stylish thing, I just wanted my shirt tucked in.

Maybe a shirt tucked in with a polo or button up on top would make me feel better.

[GJM]

In competition there is about a 10% difference in G19 to G17, and 10% from G17 to G34 per people who have extensively broken it down. Now, I have no clue how that translates at all to defensive shootings/CCW because that isn't an area I have any expertise on.

ETA: didn't mean to quote Tom Givens.

I think that is variable by individual. With an optic, I shoot the 19 measurably better than a 17 or 34, and despite having multiple MOS 19/17/34 pistols, shot a 19 in USPSA CO last spring.

That said, I don't think pure shootability is the number one consideration for all folks, hence many carrying a LEM.

Paul, I agree on the full size grip as being ideal for shooting, and I used a 17 magazine in my 19 MOS in competition.

[Kirk]

I can't speak for the difference between the 19 and 17 because I never owned nor was issued a 17. But I can say that between a 19 and 26 my personal experience over the past 20 years shows extremely little difference...with the 26 oftentimes coming out ahead. (Offered simply for the pertinence to frame and grip size...not to turn the conversation away from the concealed carrying of full sized handguns.)


Yep, that is understandable. I think the difference supposedly really comes out in something like USPSA or IPSC during long field courses with multiple reloads, transitions between targets of different distances, targets with no shoots, etc. Again, that may vary based on the person but the 10% number is simply an average over a huge number of shooters. I obviously haven't ever tested this out, and I've never noticed much difference during range drills. I personally always felt I could shoot a G26 as well as a G19, it was strange.

Not trying to hijack the thread, just something I found interesting.

[Rex G]

When the high speed military guys picked the G19? :)

Kidding aside, I think there is a reasonable discussion to be had as to whether the appeal of a 17 over a 19 is due to some tiny increment of shootability for some shooters, increased magazine capacity, or pride. Personally, I think in terms of capacity as primary, and for example, would take a G19 or 26 with a standard capacity G17 magazine over a 17 or 34 with a ten round magazine.

Not high-speed, here, more like half-fast, especially since 2008, or so, but I shoot a G34 better than a G17, and a G17 better than a G19. I can get all of my skinny fingers on the G19 grip, so it is not a simple case of the longer grip length better more-suited, and, of course, the G34 has the same grip length as the G17. Sight radius and/or the more-forward balance probably play a part. The differing accuracy is subtle, with such crude trigger mechanisms, but it is there. This does not mean I am uncomfortable being armed with a G19, but policing a very international city, with highly-symbolic soft targets in my assigned district, and living very near that district, I am inclined to carry full-sized guns, off the clock as well as while on patrol.

I also usually shot a Government-length 1911 better than a Commander-length 1911; grip frames were equal, of course. (I got away from Commanders and smaller 1911 pistols in the Nineties, therefore the past tense.) I like the heft of an all-steel 1911, and recently returned to carrying one on patrol. The lesser in-gun ammo capacity is a concern, largely mitigated by carrying more magazines, plus, some of the time, more guns. I personally know colleaques who were hit in one or both arms during gunfights, and of course, such incidents as the FBI-v.-Platt/Mattix provide more examples. I know that my primary weapon may be sent tumbling, so the best path to more ammo is not necessarily wider-body magazines. (I will concede that the fight will probably be finished before I could recover from a hit, and get a second weapon into action.)

[Cypher]

I want the capacity of a full size mag.

After reading through the thread I have a question as well. Originally SLG posted; So, how many of you actually carry a full size for everything all the time?

Folks posted they carry a G19 or similar size pistol. Is the G19 or 9c sized pistols considered full size? And if so, when did that happen?

Now I have a question, what constitutes a "full sized gun"? In Colorado Springs licenced security guards can't carry a gun with less than a 4 inch barrel so I would consider anything with a 4 inch barrel "full sized"

[Rex G]

On the original topic, I normally carried my S&W Model 58, a 4" large-frame .41 Magnum revolver, during personal time as well as on patrol, for several years during the Eighties, when I could not afford to buy a medium-frame weapon, and did not feel comfortable being out and about with just my J-Snub.

When I could again start buying handguns, I went through several temperamental Commander-sized 1911 pistols before settling upon a P220, in 1991, which became my 24/7/365 companion for two years. I sold it to "upgrade" to the newer version with the push-button magazine release, only to discover the "American" P220 was a poor fit, that pointed low for me, so until 1997, I reverted to GP100 and K-Frame revolvers for most duty carry, and most personal-time carry.

In 1997, I started a 24/7/365 full-sized 1911 phase. In 2002, I went modern with duty pistols, with Glock G22 pistols on patrol, but tended to carry revolvers or a G29 off the clock. Frustrated with my long-range accuracy with Glocks, I switched to a P229 in 2004, and by 2006 was using P229 pistols 24/7/365. A P229 is certainly not "compact" if measured with the magazine in place, being as tall as any duty pistol, including the P226 and P220.

In 2012, I again broke from the pattern of largely using the same weapon system 24/7/365, because the mandated .40 duty cartridge, fired from a high-bore-axis P229, was starting to torture my aging right wrist, even if the right hand was my support hand. I resumed 1911 carry, and added a G17, for personal-time carry. These are full-sized pistols, of course, that did not hurt to shoot. I maintained SIG DAK trigger proficiency by training with my K-Frame .22 LR revolver. In late 2015, when my chief authorized 9mm to be an alternate duty cartridge, the G17 became my normal duty pistol. In 2016, after attending a cert/transition class, I could again carry a 1911 on the clock.

(Edited to add: Yes, I use both the 1911 and Glock systems these days. One-system-only may be ideal, and was my norm for quite a while, but that was then, and this is now. All else being equal, Glocks are my lefty guns, as my more-skilled left index finger can better handle the crude Glock trigger. My right hand can handle the consistent, crisp 1911 trigger, and the caveman-simple long-stroke DA, just fine.)

This brings us to another reason I like full-sized guns: Compact guns now HURT! If I do not train with a weapon, I feel less-comfortable carrying it. Training with a larger version will have relevance to the smaller weapon, but will not be exactly the same. Training with .22 LR conversion kits will have relevance, but will not be exactly the same. So, a full-sized pistol has the sight radius, the heft, and the recoil-damping mass, that help me to remain relevant. My legs/back can still carry the weight, so I pack heavy.

[JAD]

34::GM, 17::commander, 19::officers, 26::'adventurer,' if I may date myself.

[SLG]

Now I have a question, what constitutes a "full sized gun"? In Colorado Springs licenced security guards can't carry a gun with less than a 4 inch barrel so I would consider anything with a 4 inch barrel "full sized"

A g19 is definitely not full size. In 1911's, a 5" or a Commander qualifies in my book, though most would concede that a "full size 1911" means 5".

In Glocks, the G17/22 is the largest gun they make that is really designed for duty use, so it is full size. The 19 is quite a bit smaller, and the 34 is only a small bit larger.

226/220 is full size, 228/229 is compact.

etc.

Some people will only be able to carry so long a tube, where others can only accommodate so long a grip. You should pick what works for you, regardless of size designation.

[El Cid]

In the early 90's I started with a full size gun (Para P14-45 steel frame) because it was my only gun for several years. In an Andrew's Leather McDaniel II it was invisible under an untucked shirt. Impressive feat given the size and weight.

For a brief while in the late 90's I had a second gun (USP 45C) that became my summer carry gun. When I got into LE I was mandated a G22 and made do (also in a McDaniel II holster). Eventually I wanted to keep a weapon light on it full time so I made the switch to Kydex and wore the G22 with an X300. Mostly in a Raven OWB.

Around 2009 or 2010 I switched to a G21 with X300 (also in a Raven OWB). Wore it every day on and off duty until switching to the G19 with APL in 2015.

I've always used belt carry (OWB and IWB) as primary. After getting into LE I added a 2nd gun on the ankle. I've experimented with cross draw for the second gun, appendix for primary and backup. Always come back to hip and ankle.

As SLG stated, the right shirt can make or break the ability to conceal properly. For years I relied on Quiksilver and various shirts from Cabelas, REI, and similar vendors. I try to find shorts with a squared hem so they look better untucked.

And I only recently got Kydex with soft loops (JM and Darkstar). So far I like them. If using hard loops I have found great success with injection molded. Kydex loops in my experience suck as they will crack/break when it's least convenient.

[blues]

And I only recently got Kydex with soft loops (JM and Darkstar). So far I like them. If using hard loops I have found great success with injection molded. Kydex loops in my experience suck as they will crack/break when it's least convenient.

Mine haven't broken but I couldn't stand that squeaky shoe sound emanating from the kydex loop when I'd move in certain ways, and the feeling that it was fighting the belt. It did hold the gun right where I wanted it, however. That said, so far I'm loving the PTD loops I put on the JMCK yesterday. I had no idea it would make this much of a difference. From reading other comments about printing and movement, I was half expecting the holster to be like a pendulum. It's anything but.

[LOKNLOD]

I don't carry a full size.

Tracking back to when I first got permitted to carry, I could never get it "right" concealing on the strong side. Getting serious - and more consistent - about carrying came along with the discovery of AIWB, which made it much, much easier for me. That change as initially accompanied by the adoption of the P30. I had to be pretty particular about my clothing to conceal it though, even with the a good holster; the full size grip was just more prone to printing. Going to a G19-sized grip, despite being a small decrease in size, did seem to make a disproportionally large difference. So I tend to stick with G19-sized grips for concealment purposes. The G19 grip actually shoots better for me than a G17, I think it's due to how the hump shape hits the meat of my palm, so I prefer it. Since, I've carried either a grip-chopped 17, or a 19, either one in a G17-sized holster. I do toss on a G26 pretty often. The reason for that not so much that the G19 can't be concealed, but rather that the G26 allows me to use a Keeper Lite with a clip instead of the full Keeper with solid loop. The Lite has less tuck and the 26 (it has a +1 on the mag) carries about like the G19 with full tuck. It's a trade-off for the versatility of the ease of on/off, when I'm running errands that may take me prohibited places (school, post office, etc).

[ubervic]

I'm surprised to read that some on here seem concerned about "being made" while carrying full size. This suggests to me that it really does depend on your carry mode.

I'm 5'7" and weigh about 185; formerly "athletic" in build but now more "stocky/husky." I carried MP9FS in a JMCK AIWB for three years until moving to SIG (still AIWB, but now JRC Custom). No friends, family or others ever seemed to notice...shrug.

[blues]

I'm surprised to read that some on here seem concerned about "being made" while carrying full size. This suggests to me that it really does depend on your carry mode.

I'm 5'7" and weigh about 185; formerly "athletic" in build but now more "stocky/husky." I carried MP9FS in a JMCK AIWB for three years until moving to SIG (still AIWB, but now JRC Custom). No friends, family or others ever seemed to notice...shrug.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Hsu5KyGRzUgik/giphy.gif

"They never notice mine either. Go figure!"

[EMC]

For me G17 or G19 conceal equally well in a JMCK wing claw. Untucked polo shirt or T-shirt. 6'2" 180lbs lanky build.

[blues]

For me G17 or G19 conceal equally well in a JMCK wing claw. Untucked polo shirt or T-shirt. 6'2" 180lbs lanky build.

I can remember when my nickname was "Slim". 5'10" and 175 ain't what it used to be. At least I don't have any mirrors in my home gym.

[ubervic]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Hsu5KyGRzUgik/giphy.gif

"They never notice mine either. Go figure!"

Lol!

I'll post a video shortly of me running my old MP9FS when I was closer to 175 rather than 185.
You be the judge. ;)

[ubervic]

Few years ago when I'm 175 lbs (versus my current 185 lbs) and running MP9FS. Slow demo.
I guess I'm biased, but the carry seems completely discreet and not noticeable.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7eF2qk9luySEo3MWhwTmttaE0/view?usp=sharing

[blues]

Few years ago when I'm 175 lbs (versus my current 185 lbs) and running MP9FS. Slow demo.
I guess I'm biased, but the carry seems completely discreet and not noticeable.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7eF2qk9luySEo3MWhwTmttaE0/view?usp=sharing

I can only see the opening image and then it says an error occurred. Looks like you were reacting to me showing up uninvited to dinner! :p

[JAD]

Few years ago when I'm 175 lbs (versus my current 185 lbs) and running MP9FS. Slow demo.
I guess I'm biased, but the carry seems completely discreet and not noticeable.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7eF2qk9luySEo3MWhwTmttaE0/view?usp=sharing

We're a tough crowd, but I can see a bump. It's still perfectly discreet and outside of a risky NPE I would happily walk out the door looking just like that. In a risky NPE that would not be good enough, but not much is.

[GJM]

The difference between cover and concealment is the issue. And, to quote John Hearne, it is not the odds but the stakes.

[Nephrology]

I definitely prefer the 19, though I am able to make the 17 work in non-T-shirt weather climates. I do prefer it any time gloves come on.

[JHC]

Few years ago when I'm 175 lbs (versus my current 185 lbs) and running MP9FS. Slow demo.
I guess I'm biased, but the carry seems completely discreet and not noticeable.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7eF2qk9luySEo3MWhwTmttaE0/view?usp=sharing

Smooth as buttah.

[ubervic]

We're a tough crowd, but I can see a bump. It's still perfectly discreet and outside of a risky NPE I would happily walk out the door looking just like that. In a risky NPE that would not be good enough, but not much is.

Point taken, and I agree. I do not carry in NPE.

[ASH556]

So are we calling a 19 a full size gun or not? If so, then yes, I carry a full size gun all the time except NPE's. I train and compete with a 17. I find the 17 shows the grip just a little more than I would like, while the 19 totally disapppears. As far as performance, the timer and the paper say they're the same, but I feel like I have to work a little harder for my grip on the 19.

[blues]

So are we calling a 19 a full size gun or not? If so, then yes, I carry a full size gun all the time except NPE's. I train and compete with a 17. I find the 17 shows the grip just a little more than I would like, while the 19 totally disapppears. As far as performance, the timer and the paper say they're the same, but I feel like I have to work a little harder for my grip on the 19.

I would opine that we are not based upon the collective remarks of the participants in this thread plus the fact that Glock refers to the model as a "compact".

[GJM]

The 19 certainly uses full size magazines.

[blues]

The 19 certainly uses full size magazines.

So does the 26.

[GJM]

FIFY


So can the 26.

[blues]

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder983/500x/57854983.jpg

;)

[Nephrology]

So are we calling a 19 a full size gun or not? If so, then yes, I carry a full size gun all the time except NPE's. I train and compete with a 17. I find the 17 shows the grip just a little more than I would like, while the 19 totally disapppears. As far as performance, the timer and the paper say they're the same, but I feel like I have to work a little harder for my grip on the 19.

100% in the same boat.

[JAD]

Is my CCO a full size gun?

[GJM]

Is my CCO a full size gun?


Only if it is chambered in .45, otherwise not even worthy of holster carry.

[Dagga Boy]

I have started using the term "Service Size" as many organizations have found that for hand and body size of their personal, sometimes a bit smaller size gun makes a better service pistol than a larger one. This is what happens when we have non full size people......;-).

[SLG]

I have started using the term "Service Size" as many organizations have found that for hand and body size of their personal, sometimes a bit smaller size gun makes a better service pistol than a larger one. This is what happens when we have non full size people......;-).

Though I fail to see how "full size pistol" can be confusing, it is obviously stumping some of our members. Service size is a great way to describe the level of capability one should be looking for in a primary piece. That was my point when I said earlier that people should pick the gun that works best for them, regardless of designation. I carry a full size gun because I prefer it to my other options. I carried a compact (G19 or P228/229) for many years and both I and my organizations considered them to be appropriate service weapons. Today, I prefer the bigger guns, even though I'm a "non full size person."

[blues]

Though I fail to see how "full size pistol" can be confusing, it is obviously stumping some of our members. Service size is a great way to describe the level of capability one should be looking for in a primary piece. That was my point when I said earlier that people should pick the gun that works best for them, regardless of designation. I carry a full size gun because I prefer it to my other options. I carried a compact (G19 or P228/229) for many years and both I and my organizations considered them to be appropriate service weapons. Today, I prefer the bigger guns, even though I'm a "non full size person."

http://chinastudies.sg/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/900x600_9SPF4PF53R710001.jpg

Sometimes you just know what's coming...even with only a quick peek...;)

[Dagga Boy]

Though I fail to see how "full size pistol" can be confusing, it is obviously stumping some of our members. Service size is a great way to describe the level of capability one should be looking for in a primary piece. That was my point when I said earlier that people should pick the gun that works best for them, regardless of designation. I carry a full size gun because I prefer it to my other options. I carried a compact (G19 or P228/229) for many years and both I and my organizations considered them to be appropriate service weapons. Today, I prefer the bigger guns, even though I'm a "non full size person."

Gotcha....I feel like GJM right now....:p, except bigger.

[Dagga Boy]

So does this make the USP 45 Expert a plus size....?

[JHC]

Though I fail to see how "full size pistol" can be confusing, it is obviously stumping some of our members. Service size is a great way to describe the level of capability one should be looking for in a primary piece. That was my point when I said earlier that people should pick the gun that works best for them, regardless of designation. I carry a full size gun because I prefer it to my other options. I carried a compact (G19 or P228/229) for many years and both I and my organizations considered them to be appropriate service weapons. Today, I prefer the bigger guns, even though I'm a "non full size person."

I didn't see it stump anyone. It was your secondary question of if you don't, why not ("what times are those"), that dragged the G19 into it.

Last week while traveling to frigid WI I took a 43 and 17. The extra grip of the 17 gave me more trouble than it was worth IMO, vs the 19s I left locked up in the safe.

[SLG]

I didn't see it stump anyone. It was your secondary question of if you don't, why not ("what times are those"), that dragged the G19 into it.

Last week while traveling to frigid WI I took a 43 and 17. The extra grip of the 17 gave me more trouble than it was worth IMO, vs the 19s I left locked up in the safe.

I guess I don't see that. Wondering why someone carries something else (as in what circumstances would dictate that) is not the same as thinking a G19 is a full size gun. Several people here seem to think an officers frame or a G19 is a full size gun. I don't. I also don't think there is any room for disagreement about this. It may be fun to talk about some guns like USP 45 experts as "plus size", but that is a gun that was never intended for concealed carry. A G19 might be a perfectly fine duty weapon, but full size it is not. What is the disconnect?

[DocSabo40]

I guess I don't see that. Wondering why someone carries something else (as in what circumstances would dictate that) is not the same as thinking a G19 is a full size gun. Several people here seem to think an officers frame or a G19 is a full size gun. I don't. I also don't think there is any room for disagreement about this. It may be fun to talk about some guns like USP 45 experts as "plus size", but that is a gun that was never intended for concealed carry. A G19 might be a perfectly fine duty weapon, but full size it is not. What is the disconnect?

A lack of actual dimensions. From your statements earlier and using the manufacturer specs, a G19 with a height of 5.00" and a length of 6.85" is not full size, but a G17 with a height of 5.43" and a length of 7.32" is. A SIG p229 with a height of 5.4" and a length of 7.4" is not full size, but a P226 with a height of 5.5" and a length of 8" is. The P229 and the G17 have the same dimensions, but you are considering one compact and one not. I'm in CA so I don't have my 229 and G17 in front of me, but those numbers sound right.

I carry a 229 in a George. I don't carry a 226 because it's bigger, has the same capacity, and I don't own one.

[JHC]

I guess I don't see that. Wondering why someone carries something else (as in what circumstances would dictate that) is not the same as thinking a G19 is a full size gun. Several people here seem to think an officers frame or a G19 is a full size gun. I don't. I also don't think there is any room for disagreement about this. It may be fun to talk about some guns like USP 45 experts as "plus size", but that is a gun that was never intended for concealed carry. A G19 might be a perfectly fine duty weapon, but full size it is not. What is the disconnect?

Agreed. I think a few of us centered in on when don't we carry a fullsize.

[Cypher]

OK now I'm confused (doesn't take much)

Glock 19 is designated by Glock as compact but it's the same size and capacity as a S&W 915 which isn't a compact. If you go by a 5 inch barrel my M&PFS isn't Full Sized.

I said this before but in Colorado Springs, licenced armed security can't carry less than a 4 inch barrel but that's the only size criteria except that State Law limits magazine capacity to 15 rounds.
Is there a standard designation?

[dookie1481]

Is there a standard designation?

Typically it refers to the largest non-long slide version of a model. It astonishes me that people have spent like 5 pages debating this nonsense.

[David S.]

It astonishes me that people have spent like 5 pages debating this nonsense.

You must be new here. Welcome. ;)

[SLG]

"Typically it refers to the largest non-long slide version of a model. It astonishes me that people have spent like 5 pages debating this nonsense."

As I said before, we're not talking about how to carry a bigger gun, or making a judgement on any gun being carried. I asked out of curiosity. I didn't realize that people on PF could seriously ask some of these questions. I'm packing a 6.5" M29 today. It only carries 6 rounds. Does that make a G19 a bigger gun because of its magazine capacity? Ridiculous.

[Randy Harris]

Getting my 2 cents in way late, but I carry (and have done so for about a decade) a full size gun daily. Either a 34 or a 17 and in the summer when it is "harder to conceal" I carry a 17 with the grip cut to G19 length. IWB makes barrel length largely irrelevant. Prior to 2005 I usually carried a G27 or G30 because I read all the articles saying how bigger guns were "too hard to conceal". Then I finally gave it a try in order to stream line my training time and started carrying a 34 like I competed with and found I liked that a lot better. So I didn't have to spend time shooting my 34 for matches and my 27 for defensive practice. I just used the big gun for everything which essentially doubled my training time with that gun.

As to times when something smaller is required that would be times when the shirt must be tucked and no cover garment would be practical or when no belt is available (like running shorts / swim trunks etc). In those instances it is either a G26 or a J frame or the wife's Kahr 380 in either a tuckable holster , ankle holster or pocket holster depending on the wardrobe required. But if I can go there wearing an untucked shirt and wearing a belt then it is a 17 or 34 for sure.

[Cypher]

I didn't realize that people on PF could seriously ask some of these questions.

I'm not surprised in the least. I came to this forum because it had a reputation of being a place where you can ask a question and get a response from an actual industry expert. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

[blues]

Guys, we need to quit sniping and lobbing rocks at one another. It's disappointing.

I'll take the blame for broadening the conversation in the first place by having asked about what manner of belt attachment folks were using for their full sized guns and holsters. (Was interested in which methods printed least for them while providing adequate security and presentation with those firearms.) That's why I asked if SLG wanted me to start a separate thread on the topic.

There's no need for this to devolve any further, imho.

[Leroy Suggs]

Full size for a pygmy might be a J.
Full size for Andre the giant might be a Desert Eagle.

It is subjective and depends on YOUR perspective.

[SLG]

I'm not surprised in the least. I came to this forum because it had a reputation of being a place where you can ask a question and get a response from an actual industry expert. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

I don't see how that is a part of this issue.

I also don't see how some security guard requirement in a crazy gun state like CO (or anywhere else) has to do with deciding what a full size gun is is also beyond me.

There is no "standard" . As has been stated before, a full size gun is the largest gun a company makes, that is still intended for carry or duty use. As opposed to competition of any kind. Barrel length, in and of itself, is not the issue. Neither is capacity. A G19 is not a full size magazine. It is a compact magazine in a compact gun that carries as much ammo as many other, larger designs. That's it. If one company's full size gun is larger or smaller in anyway compared to any other company's full size gun, it is irrelevant in this context.

A J frame is almost as big in external dimensions as a G19. Is it also full size?

Blues,

Your questions had nothing to do with this. There just seems to be a serious disconnect over the term "full size." I'm sorry I asked the question. Maybe I should have phrased it in a more safe space friendly way, so that everyone can feel like their choice is full size. As if it matters in anyway at all.

Also neither here nor there, but one overseas deployment saw me in an overt tactical posture, but still carrying my compact duty weapon on my hip. One group of dudes I worked with had a more covert mission, yet they carried G17's. Did it matter? No, becasue they used what they were issued, as did I. They also figured out how to carry and conceal their G17's just fine. Not once did either of us wish we had the other's gun.

Anyway, I think the thread has run its course and I imagine my initial question was answered, even if it took some twists and turns. Thanks to all who understood and replied.

[SLG]

Full size for a pygmy might be a J.
Full size for Andre the giant might be a Desert Eagle.

It is subjective and depends on YOUR perspective.

No, it isn't subjective to you, and one's opinion on it's size doesn't matter. It may be subjective to the gun company that created it, but that's it.

To clarify, in the spirit of assuming the above wasn't trolling...A j frame may be the largest gun a pygmy can carry (IDK), but that doesn't make it full size. When a gun store commando hands a small woman a J frame, does he say, "Here, try this full size gun out." ?

[dookie1481]

You must be new here. Welcome. ;)

Join Date 02-28-2011

[Casey]

At work, I don't carry (secure facility with metal detectors, x-ray machines, etc., and guaranteed termination of employment if I attempt to bring in a firearm).

Outside of work, VP9 95% of the time. My go-to holster is a JM Custom IWB v1 (http://www.jmcustomkydex.com/p/IWB1.html) with 15° cant—I've got four of 'em: one for an XC1, one for an X300U, one for an APL, and a non-light-bearing model. Did the XC1 thing for several months with no significant compromise to concealability, but some issues with that light arose during a recent class which have me trying out an APL. The APL is less obtrusive than the X300U, but still adds a noticeable amount of bulk when compared to the XC1. Jury is still out on that one.

If I really want to conceal the VP9 well, I have a TT Gunleather Mike's Special (http://www.mcssl.com/store/a9856d0dead4463ea8f07338d4d909/catalog/product/68352856e58a4f40bcf130f25458da04). It seems like it's closer to 20° of cant, and between that and the low ride, it does a great job of keeping the butt of the gun from sticking out, even when seated or bending over. It is also incredibly comfortable compared to every Kydex holster I have ever had. I understand why there are still plenty of leather devotees out there. The downside is that my draw is measurably slower because the leather is very grabby, and the increased cant forces me to almost hyperextend my wrist establishing a firing grip (I carry at the 3:30).

Apparel is mostly fishing or camp-style shirts from the likes of Columbia, Mountain Khakis, Marmot, etc. Plaid is rad. Garments like that which usually don't have any stretch built into the fabric present more of a challenge on the draw when compared to things like cotton polos, as SLG mentioned. But while there are tons of striped polo shirts out there, I've yet to find any patterned polos that I'd be caught dead wearing, and I feel like I need patterns to most effectively conceal the VP9.

This year, I added a J-frame to the lineup to give me an option for quick stops on the way to or from work, or if I have to run an errand in the middle of the day and don't have the option of changing into my normal concealment garb.

The only compelling reason I have for carrying a full size gun is because there isn't a compact version of the VP9, and I'm not interested in going down to an sk-sized model. Before making the switch to HK, I was content with a G19. The larger grip of the VP9 does make it a little more shootable, but of all the reasons that got me to adopt it as my primary carry gun, grip size was nowhere near the top of the list. I would appreciate having something with a little shorter grip to make concealment less of a chore, but I do ok with the VP9.

[David S.]

Join Date 02-28-2011

I saw that. Just a bit of friendly sarcasm towards the P-F's culture of picking nits, that's all.

Cheers,
David S.

[Hambo]

It astonishes me that people have spent like 5 pages debating this nonsense.

I'm astonished that it's only five. It must be holiday malaise.

[JHC]

IMO it's better that PF can nitpick and debate what may seem obvious, rather than march in lock step with whatever conventional wisdom may be. Gotta take the good with the bad.

I mean check out the MHS thread. Someone appears to have recommended the M45 1911 without a trace of sarcasm. ;)

[GJM]

So we don't have to repeat this, maybe we can sticky a FAQ on "what is a full size pistol," and related questions.

[jwperry]

So we don't have to repeat this, maybe we can sticky a FAQ on "what is a full size pistol," and related questions.

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Visual aid to help the discussion...

[JHC]

Glock marketing must have thought "standard" to be more "thinning" than "full size".

[hiro]

So we don't have to repeat this, maybe we can sticky a FAQ on "what is a full size pistol," and related questions.

But wait, if the same old topics didn't recur every six months that would mean more than half of the forum would disappear!

[Cypher]

Typically it refers to the largest non-long slide version of a model. It astonishes me that people have spent like 5 pages debating this nonsense.

Thanks.

[TGS]

If the P226 were an option, I'd probably carry it instead of the P229. I enjoy my fiance's P226 more than my P229....It is a much more svelte gun compared to the chunky P229, and it doesn't feel as if it'd be any more burdensome than the P229.

[BehindBlueI's]

If the P226 were an option, I'd probably carry it instead of the P229. I enjoy my fiance's P226 more than my P229....It is a much more svelte gun compared to the chunky P229, and it doesn't feel as if it'd be any more burdensome than the P229.

I came to the same conclusion. I have a both a .40 P229, and a .40 P226. As stated before the shenanigans erupted, I carry the P226. I suppose appendix carry may change things, but the extra length of the P226 is a non-issue for strong side hip carry. I find the P220 to be easier to conceal than either of them, like a gov't 1911, the thinner grip makes more difference than the longer slide. I traded in to a P227 Carry, the short slide/full size frame combo that strikes me as bass ackwards. I've never carried it for realsies, but even at the range I don't see where the shorter slide helps me. I ought to try and trade it for a full size or a 9mm P226, as I can't see me ever actually carrying it.

[Lon]

I suppose appendix carry may change things....

I carry my 229 in a 226 AIWB holster. Works great. Actually better than the 229 AIWB I had. Longer holster was more comfy.

[blues]

"In breaking news from the midwest, it's believed that a steam vent has ruptured causing a mass evacuation. The immediate cause is not known but as soon as we have more details we will break in with on the scene coverage"...


http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/2d940bc9b04544219a056ce920cbe54d/character-ugly-gurning-man-with-steam-coming-from-ears-apjmkr.jpg


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"Hey, you guys...which one of these is full size?"

[OnionsAndDragons]

I carry a service sized weapon 95% of the time; basically anytime I leave the house not in gym shorts or the comfy pants.

I could carry a full-size in my chosen family, the p30, but I actually shoot the p2000 a little better so I carry that the most.

It's possible that I will be moving to a different full or service sized weapon in the next year or so between the joy of owning Gadgets and the release of Beretta conversion levers, but that will be sometime down the road.

I've not had issues concealing full-sized guns since switching to AIWB.

[vcdgrips]

85% G35, Shaggy AIWB or Keepers AIWB with PTD or solid kydex loop. Snakeater Tactical Nylon IWB mag pouch or CCC OWB mag pouches. Liger belt, Rafter S 2 ply leather belt or Wilderness FF belt.
10% G19 see above
5% Kimber Series I 5 inch 1911, see above.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

Glock 17 Gen 3 for CCW Glock 21 Gen 4 X300-U at work.

17 is carried AIWB in some form of JMCK holster. Recently received one of the new style DSG holsters and am trying that out.

I have (another) new Gen 4 19 in my safe that I bought over the summer. Should have bought a Gen 4 17...

[GJM]

I carry a service sized weapon 95% of the time; basically anytime I leave the house not in gym shorts or the comfy pants.

I could carry a full-size in my chosen family, the p30, but I actually shoot the p2000 a little better so I carry that the most.

It's possible that I will be moving to a different full or service sized weapon in the next year or so between the joy of owning Gadgets and the release of Beretta conversion levers, but that will be sometime down the road.

I've not had issues concealing full-sized guns since switching to AIWB.

I hate to burst your bubble, but no less an SME than Colion Noir has already called the P30 "king in the world of 15-round polymer compact handguns."

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2015/7/8/initial-impressions-hk-p30sk/

[Bolt_Overide]

Glock 17, x300u, deltapoint pro, nearly every day. On shorts and tshirt days, glock 19, xc1, deltapoint pro. I will grant my size makes it much easier for me, but its doable for the average person with the right clothing planning. YMMV.

[GJM]

Glock 17, x300u, deltapoint pro, nearly every day. On shorts and tshirt days, glock 19, xc1, deltapoint pro. I will grant my size makes it much easier for me, but its doable for the average person with the right clothing planning. YMMV.

How do you conceal all your extra batteries for the DP Pro?

[taadski]

I carry a 226 AIWB daily. Primarily in an SME or a newer version JRC. With my body type, it's completely workable, even in a tee-shirt.

Slightly off topic... I'm always interested in comments about how different the 226 feels compared to the 228/229s. I get that they're not ergonomically identical, but the fact of the matter is they're exactly the same width and the compacts are only 0.10" shorter in height. The only real significant dimensional difference (comparing like to like, ie. folded slide to folded slide or milled to milled) is in their length. I'll admit that that length somehow tends to make the full sized pistol feel a bit more 'elegant' or something, but I don't know that I can put my finger on it. Regardless, their shootability, in my hands anyway, is virtually identical.

[jwperry]

Slightly off topic... I'm always interested in comments about how different the 226 feels compared to the 228/229s. I get that they're not ergonomically identical, but the fact of the matter is they're exactly the same width and the compacts are only 0.10" shorter in height. The only real significant dimensional difference (comparing like to like, ie. folded slide to folded slide or milled to milled) is in their length. I'll admit that that length somehow tends to make the full sized pistol feel a bit more 'elegant' or something, but I don't know that I can put my finger on it. Regardless, their shootability, in my hands anyway, is virtually identical.

For me, it is a matter of balance with the stainless slide, railed variant P226 balancing better when put at arms distance when compared to a comparably manufactured P229. I find my M11A1/P228 hybrids (M11A1 frame, P228 slide) to balance better and 'feel' faster. Even using the same grips, Hogue G10 checkered, I 'feel' that the grip is shaped differently on the compact frame and I 'feel' that I'm able to get a better purchase on the grip. I know I'm gripping it differently because I get consistent failure to lock back on empty with my P226 variants, due to riding the slide release with my strong hand thumb, but not on my M11A1/P228s.

I've been tempted to buy a stamped P226 slide on ebay to play with, but haven't wanted to spend the time/money on yet another project..

[JHC]

Glock 17, x300u, deltapoint pro, nearly every day. On shorts and tshirt days, glock 19, xc1, deltapoint pro. I will grant my size makes it much easier for me, but its doable for the average person with the right clothing planning. YMMV.

Wow, where do you pack that load? IWB, OWB, AIWB? That's great. Every so often I will carry a 17 for a day. I have a couple of Dark Star straight drop clips that conceal it very well. It doesn't even make sense to me but that extra length in the grip can get tedious up in the ribs. And I set up the holsters to carry deep. Being long legged and short of torso proportionally may be a factor.

[TGS]

I carry a 226 AIWB daily. Primarily in an SME or a newer version JRC. With my body type, it's completely workable, even in a tee-shirt.

Slightly off topic... I'm always interested in comments about how different the 226 feels compared to the 228/229s. I get that they're not ergonomically identical, but the fact of the matter is they're exactly the same width and the compacts are only 0.10" shorter in height. The only real significant dimensional difference (comparing like to like, ie. folded slide to folded slide or milled to milled) is in their length. I'll admit that that length somehow tends to make the full sized pistol feel a bit more 'elegant' or something, but I don't know that I can put my finger on it. Regardless, their shootability, in my hands anyway, is virtually identical.

The guns are the same width because of the decocking and slide lock levers. The slide on the P226 is slimmer than the P229, just as the P228 slide is slimmer than the P229.

Thus, it feels different. To me, it feels nicer....more enjoyable. I just like shooting her P226 more than my P229. I also find the P229 to be a very chunky gun to carry IWB. Doable, and I carry my P229 AIWB all day, every day in a comfortable manner, but chunky and harder to conceal regardless.

FWIW, I do not universally like full size guns, and previously preferred the P229 to the P226 before having spent time with both.

[Bolt_Overide]

How do you conceal all your extra batteries for the DP Pro?

Ive honestly been wondering about that, because I seem to be getting far better battery life than anyone else. My two carry guns get batteries on the first, like all my other batteries, every month. But I have a range gun thats going on 6 or 8 months and still going strong. maybe I got some sort of alien batteries?

[Bolt_Overide]

Wow, where do you pack that load? IWB, OWB, AIWB? That's great. Every so often I will carry a 17 for a day. I have a couple of Dark Star straight drop clips that conceal it very well. It doesn't even make sense to me but that extra length in the grip can get tedious up in the ribs. And I set up the holsters to carry deep. Being long legged and short of torso proportionally may be a factor.

4 O'clock IWB. I will see if I can get some pics posted later. Honestly, its never bothered me. Im kind of a mutant though.

[SLG]

4 O'clock IWB. I will see if I can get some pics posted later. Honestly, its never bothered me. Im kind of a mutant though.

How big are you? I thought you mentioned that before, but I'm too lazy to search. I'm 5'6" and currently (on vacation at home) carrying a Roland special aiwb. No issues. It does have an Inforce light though, not the X300. My duty 17 also has the Inforce, but no optic.

[LSP552]

I carry a 226 AIWB daily. Primarily in an SME or a newer version JRC. With my body type, it's completely workable, even in a tee-shirt.

Slightly off topic... I'm always interested in comments about how different the 226 feels compared to the 228/229s. I get that they're not ergonomically identical, but the fact of the matter is they're exactly the same width and the compacts are only 0.10" shorter in height. The only real significant dimensional difference (comparing like to like, ie. folded slide to folded slide or milled to milled) is in their length. I'll admit that that length somehow tends to make the full sized pistol feel a bit more 'elegant' or something, but I don't know that I can put my finger on it. Regardless, their shootability, in my hands anyway, is virtually identical.

For me personally, the decocker hump on the 228/229 feels enough different to be an issue. Feel isn't performance, but with factory grips, I much prefer the 226 and 239.

[spinmove_]

For me personally, the decocker hump on the 228/229 feels enough different to be an issue. Feel isn't performance, but with factory grips, I much prefer the 226 and 239.

Agreed here. As much as I liked my P229, the decocker hump was definitely noticeably larger vs the P226. If I were to go back and buy another classic SIG it'd be a P226, hands down, as the Classic P228 isn't available anymore. The P226 is also close enough in size (to a P229) that if I were to switch carry platforms I'd get a P239 to back it up.


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[JonInWA]

Judicious clothing choices make it easy for me to carry concealed a 1911 Government, a Glock G21/G34/G17/G22/G19, an HK VP40/P30L, FN Hi Power, Ruger GP100/Security 6 with 4" barrels.

In the summer, Hawaiian shirts work well; in the spring/fall/winter, vests or sweaters.

A sturdy belt is an essential component to the mix, although I hardly need to tell anyone here that.

Best, Jon

[spinmove_]

Judicious clothing choices make it easy for me to carry concealed a 1911 Government, a Glock G21/G34/G17/G22/G19, an HK VP40/P30L, FN Hi Power, Ruger GP100/Security 6 with 4" barrels.

In the summer, Hawaiian shirts work well; in the spring/fall/winter, vests or sweaters.

A sturdy belt is an essential component to the mix, although I hardly need to tell anyone here that.

Best, Jon

I'm not much of a sweater guy, but what kind of vests do you wear in the spring/fall/winter?


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[jetfire]

I'm not much of a sweater guy, but what kind of vests do you wear in the spring/fall/winter?


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I have a fleece vest from Woolrich Elite Tactical (which sadly they don't make anymore so that doesn't really help) that I wear in fall/winter when the weather allows. It's pretty much the berries.

[11B10]

Paul Sharp:
"The most difficult concealment puzzle piece for me has always been the grip. If I can hide the grip the rest of the gun is a non-issue."



This ^^^^ and my current EDC (P320 Compact) is a stellar example. The grip on the P320 (height: 5.3") is "only" .3" longer than a G19 (height: 4.99"), and .5" longer than my previous EDC, a 30S (height: 4.80"), but it's a world of difference. Now I'm worried about cants, shirts, crap I thought very little about before. I'm actually strongly considering a G26 as my new EDC. All of a sudden, concealment has moved way ahead of any other concerns I had.

[BehindBlueI's]

Judicious clothing choices make it easy for me to carry concealed a 1911 Government, a Glock G21/G34/G17/G22/G19, an HK VP40/P30L, FN Hi Power, Ruger GP100/Security 6 with 4" barrels.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epeo8Pfm1xM

[BaiHu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epeo8Pfm1xM
That's some Mary Poppins shit right there! Lol!

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[blues]

Paul Sharp:
"The most difficult concealment puzzle piece for me has always been the grip. If I can hide the grip the rest of the gun is a non-issue."



This ^^^^ and my current EDC (P320 Compact) is a stellar example. The grip on the P320 (height: 5.3") is "only" .3" longer than a G19 (height: 4.99"), and .5" longer than my previous EDC, a 30S (height: 4.80"), but it's a world of difference. Now I'm worried about cants, shirts, crap I thought very little about before. I'm actually strongly considering a G26 as my new EDC. All of a sudden, concealment has moved way ahead of any other concerns I had.

When I look in the mirror for "tells" I usually spot the corner of the slide more often than the grip. Not like it's jumping out but I can sometimes just pick up that little "dimple" in the fabric.

[Wondering Beard]

Same here.

[JAD]

That's some Mary Poppins

I was thinking more clown car.

Y'all need to meet my friend Jim Higgenbotham.

[ADKilla]

Paul Sharp:
"The most difficult concealment puzzle piece for me has always been the grip. If I can hide the grip the rest of the gun is a non-issue."

This ^^^^ and my current EDC (P320 Compact) is a stellar example. The grip on the P320 (height: 5.3") is "only" .3" longer than a G19 (height: 4.99")

If you are measuring strictly to the end of the grip, then yes, the G19 is shorter. However if you add the 0.25" of magazine plate that hangs out from the bottom of the grip the 0.3" difference is made up. I have put both my P320 and G19 side-by-side; virtually no difference in grip length.

[Wondering Beard]

I was thinking more clown car.

Y'all need to meet my friend Jim Higgenbotham.

I've met Jim and he's forgotten more about guns and fighting than I have learned.

Is he still carrying two 1911s or does he still like to have a snubby 44 mag as backup?

[Leroy Suggs]

Jim is active on Evan Marshalls forum
I think he still carries two 1911's and he can sure run them.

[Wondering Beard]

Jim is active on Evan Marshalls forum
I think he still carries two 1911's and he can sure run them.

That he can :-)

[LSP552]

When I look in the mirror for "tells" I usually spot the corner of the slide more often than the grip. Not like it's jumping out but I can sometimes just pick up that little "dimple" in the fabric.

The square side of a Glock is bad about this, especially strong side at the 3:00-3:30 position. At least for me, at 6'3, 205lbs.

[JAD]

Last time I met Jim he was wearing four 'full size' pistols.

[JonInWA]

I'm not much of a sweater guy, but what kind of vests do you wear in the spring/fall/winter?


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Looser-fitting semi-casual (but decently dressy-looking) vests (not close-fitting suitcoat vests), and sweater vests (the sleeveless LL Bean Commando ones are excellent, providing sufficient bulk for concealment).

Best, Jon

[blues]

Looser-fitting semi-casual (but decently dressy-looking) vests (not close-fitting suitcoat vests), and sweater vests (the sleeveless LL Bean Commando ones are excellent, providing sufficient bulk for concealment).

Best, Jon

Speaking of "commando"...always be prepared, no matter the venue. Concealed means concealed...

Can you spot the full size gun?

http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/hospital-gown1.jpg?quality=65&strip=all

[jeep45238]

As soon as he coughs, yes


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[jeep45238]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epeo8Pfm1xM

I want to see him walk 7 steps.


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[GJM]

In light of this thread, I was paying close attention at the range. I saw two full size female shooters toting compact pistols.

[Bolt_Overide]

How big are you? I thought you mentioned that before, but I'm too lazy to search. I'm 5'6" and currently (on vacation at home) carrying a Roland special aiwb. No issues. It does have an Inforce light though, not the X300. My duty 17 also has the Inforce, but no optic.

6'8" 345#s

[AsianJedi]

80% of the time it is a Roland Special AIWB in a NICkydex holster.
Casual but slightly more formal and with no shirt tucked requirement, the choice is a G26 in an eidolon.
More formal, shirt tucked in but no jacket, I go with the 26 on the ankle. This is not my favorite choice and would love to hear of other options.

[JHC]

80% of the time it is a Roland Special AIWB in a NICkydex holster.
Casual but slightly more formal and with no shirt tucked requirement, the choice is a G26 in an eidolon.
More formal, shirt tucked in but no jacket, I go with the 26 on the ankle. This is not my favorite choice and would love to hear of other options.

Have you messed around with a Smart Carry? They are rather remarkable. I was tipped to order one for the Glock 42/43. It's overall footprint is less but it holds a 26 well and very firmly.

[SLG]

6'8" 345#s

So almost as big as me. :-)

Can you fit in a normal car? I barely fit in a suburban when kitted up, you must have a hell of a time.

[Mitch]

Have you messed around with a Smart Carry? They are rather remarkable. I was tipped to order one for the Glock 42/43. It's overall footprint is less but it holds a 26 well and very firmly.

I'm in the market for a smart carry or a belly band. Is there a large concealment difference between a g26 and a g19 in either of those? I need an EXTREMELY concealed gun, but I would really rather not go smaller than a G26.

I'm leaning towards a G26 in a belly band, but I've not used any of these holsters yet.


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[JHC]

I'm in the market for a smart carry or a belly band. Is there a large concealment difference between a g26 and a g19 in either of those? I need an EXTREMELY concealed gun, but I would really rather not go smaller than a G26.

I'm leaning towards a G26 in a belly band, but I've not used any of these holsters yet.


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There is for me! Smart Carry: With a 19 worn below the belt I look like Smilin Bob from the enhancement commercial. Once I noticed a smirk on the face of a fellow elevator rider as he left on his floor. I looked down and OMG!!!! Get me to a doctor it's been over 4 hours! 26, normal.

[littlejerry]

I'm in the market for a smart carry or a belly band. Is there a large concealment difference between a g26 and a g19 in either of those? I need an EXTREMELY concealed gun, but I would really rather not go smaller than a G26.

I'm leaning towards a G26 in a belly band, but I've not used any of these holsters yet.


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I bought one of the Pistol Wear bands a few years ago. Completely unusable for me with a G19. I'm 165 lbs and 5'11".

[camsdaddy]

I'm in the market for a smart carry or a belly band. Is there a large concealment difference between a g26 and a g19 in either of those? I need an EXTREMELY concealed gun, but I would really rather not go smaller than a G26.
I'm leaning towards a G26 in a belly band, but I've not used any of these holsters yet
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I have carried both in a smart carry and still do anytime I tuck my shirt. I find the 26 is more concealable and comfortable. I guess that's a given. With the 19 I prefer to run it at belt level that way the grip doesn't print. I do find from time to time it will poke you in places better left unpoked. I also find if I'm not careful that the barell may print and look awkward. I do fine the 19 easier to grip. When I carry the 26 I carry it either with the barrel even with zipper or the grip even with my zipper.

[Bolt_Overide]

So almost as big as me. :-)

Can you fit in a normal car? I barely fit in a suburban when kitted up, you must have a hell of a time.

full kit I can do a suburban, prefer front passenger, otherwise its uncomfortable. Normal cars require modifications, I prefer to stick with my truck. full kit in a g wagon or 300 series, just doesn't happen.

[Bolt_Overide]

pics as promised, i purposely used a smaller shirt than I normally wear.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f8/asmoden2001/887582B0-9D62-4AB7-9216-D4A81DE05968_zpsh7mzxn6s.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/asmoden2001/media/887582B0-9D62-4AB7-9216-D4A81DE05968_zpsh7mzxn6s.jpg.html)

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f8/asmoden2001/E8692107-68CB-4AC3-9EEC-96D9AF4933ED_zpsyaswnw60.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/asmoden2001/media/E8692107-68CB-4AC3-9EEC-96D9AF4933ED_zpsyaswnw60.jpg.html)

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f8/asmoden2001/3D8D6CCB-E027-4E6F-8A14-0326DAAFF8FB_zpshgingftd.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/asmoden2001/media/3D8D6CCB-E027-4E6F-8A14-0326DAAFF8FB_zpshgingftd.jpg.html)

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f8/asmoden2001/4B4CFDA4-3702-47CF-9808-06B302051569_zpsv5takgvz.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/asmoden2001/media/4B4CFDA4-3702-47CF-9808-06B302051569_zpsv5takgvz.jpg.html)

Gotten a bit fat in the last few years, that may actually help conceal some, but I dont think so.

[FNFAN]

So almost as big as me. :-)

Can you fit in a normal car? I barely fit in a suburban when kitted up, you must have a hell of a time.

Personally, at 6'6" and 255, I'm ready for the "fighter cockpit" center consoles on many new cars to become a passing fad. Don't even get me started on the jr. auto technicians detailed to put cages into new patrol vehicles who install the cage/shield with the seats slid all the way forward. :mad:

[azerious]

I EDC a G34 AIWB in a modded Eidolon holster for now. Looking for a JMCK to try but no luck. Works well.

Does it shoot better than a 17? Probably not, however the balance is remarkably better. It feels and swings alot like a Govt. 1911 for me

[SLG]

Bolt_Override,

That may not be a full size gun, but that looks like a pretty full size knife! What knife is it? 4 or 5" blade? Maybe not actually "full size", but a damn sight bigger than most of us can carry concealed, especially like that.

eta: My humor may have missed on that one. A g17 is like a subcompact when you're as big as you are. For the rest of us, it certainly is full size.

[Bolt_Overide]

Bolt_Override,

That may not be a full size gun, but that looks like a pretty full size knife! What knife is it? 4 or 5" blade? Maybe not actually "full size", but a damn sight bigger than most of us can carry concealed, especially like that.

eta: My humor may have missed on that one. A g17 is like a subcompact when you're as big as you are. For the rest of us, it certainly is full size.

Boker Rampage

http://www.bladehq.com/item--Boker-Plus-Rampage-Fixed-Blade--9574


The gun is a 17 mos, delta point pro, x300u, zev magwell, overwatch precision trigger and grip work by me.

[azerious]

Also i think people tend to forget the older days where all that was available (for the most part) were J frames and full size guns for carry. Full size was normal size for a looong time.

[RichY]

That he can :-)

The last time I saw him he was carrying two 1911's and still used Weaver stance! Even on hundred degree days he wears the vest. It looked most uncomfortable, given the humidity nearly matched the temperature. I don't think I ever saw him without that vest.

[Eli]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/ceelfi/oedc2.jpg

Although I will admit that the 1911/x300u in a JM IWB3 has been seeing a lot more carry time lately (damn you, Caleb).

[11B10]

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"They never notice mine either. Go figure!"



As Marty Feldman said in "Young Frankenstein:" "What hump?"

[Doc_Glock]

In honor of this thread I tried to man up to a G17 instead of a my usual AIWB G19. I didn't last more than a couple hours. I can't explain why the 19 works so much better, but it does. The 17 goes back to bedside duty.

Now a 17 cut to a 19 grip would be just fine, however...

[Eli]

Although I will admit that the 1911/x300u in a JM IWB3 has been seeing a lot more carry time lately (damn you, Caleb).


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My carry gun for the past couple of weeks. Definitely not as comfortable as my Glocks...a lot more sharp spots...but it's really hard to bring that thing out of the holster, into your line of sight, and NOT feel a bit cool! :cool:

[CSW]

For close to a year and a half I carried the the Glock 17 gen 4 appendix in a Zorn Skinny Rig.
Since about July[??]2016 I've gone to the Walther P99as in 9mm.
The Walther is just about the size of the G19, and I shoot it way better than I can the 17. The 17 hid well, and was comfortable enough for EDC, but the Walther is more ergonomic for my hands, the paddle release works well for my lefty-ness, and I only dropped 2 rounds in capacity.
I'm using a KSG Sidekick holster, with the Raven wing and pad. Good setup.

[OnionsAndDragons]

For close to a year and a half I carried the the Glock 17 gen 4 appendix in a Zorn Skinny Rig.
Since about July[??]2016 I've gone to the Walther P99as in 9mm.
The Walther is just about the size of the G19, and I shoot it way better than I can the 17. The 17 hid well, and was comfortable enough for EDC, but the Walther is more ergonomic for my hands, the paddle release works well for my lefty-ness, and I only dropped 2 rounds in capacity.
I'm using a KSG Sidekick holster, with the Raven wing and pad. Good setup.

The best part about this is obviously that, according to the SLG Dictionary, you still get to carry a full-sized gun. /end snark

[martin_j001]

Bit late in chiming in, but...




So, how many of you actually carry a full size for everything all the time?

I'm a bigger guy (5'10", 275lbs) and carry a G17 daily, most often with an X300U on it. I wear khakis and an untucked polo shirt most days. I've owned G26's, G19's, G42's and G43's, but have almost always ended up with the full size G17 on me.

[11B10]

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[That Guy]

For close to a year and a half I carried the the Glock 17 gen 4 appendix in a Zorn Skinny Rig.
Since about July[??]2016 I've gone to the Walther P99as in 9mm.
The Walther is just about the size of the G19, and I shoot it way better than I can the 17. The 17 hid well, and was comfortable enough for EDC, but the Walther is more ergonomic for my hands, the paddle release works well for my lefty-ness, and I only dropped 2 rounds in capacity.
I'm using a KSG Sidekick holster, with the Raven wing and pad. Good setup.

Um... Do you mean a full size Walther P99? Because if you put that next to your Glock 17, you'll see that it's really no smaller (just nicely curved instead of a, well, block). I know, looking at them separately you'd swear there's a size difference, but go ahead and compare them directly. You'll see what I mean.

And since the P99 uses 16 round magazines (at least the gen 1 mags are 16 rounders), don't you only lose 1 round in capacity?

[CSW]

Um... Do you mean a full size Walther P99? Because if you put that next to your Glock 17, you'll see that it's really no smaller (just nicely curved instead of a, well, block). I know, looking at them separately you'd swear there's a size difference, but go ahead and compare them directly. You'll see what I mean.

And since the P99 uses 16 round magazines (at least the gen 1 mags are 16 rounders), don't you only lose 1 round in capacity?

Yes, the "full size" P99, not the 99c.

Not too many Walther shooters/carriers that I see on the forum....

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