Russian Ambassador to Turkey assassinated.

[TheNewbie]

It's an interesting time to live. That's not always a good thing.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/19/russian-ambassador-to-turkey-shot-in-ankara.html

[BaiHu]

Should be video of the shot here. Not gory: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/turkey-russian-ambassador-shot/
Jump to the 49 second mark.

[farscott]

I cannot see how this incident will make the Russian-Turkish relationship any better. On top of this, there has been a shooting outside an "Islamic center" in Zurich. Interesting to see if any linkages develop as the investigations unfold.

[Jeep]

Turkey is very much a "not good place" to be these days. With Erdogan's fights against the Kurds, Syria & Russia (possibly reconciled), and his perceived betrayal of ISIS; the semi-civil war against the Gulenists and his continuing desire to reclaim the Caliphate for Turkey (and probably himself), there are a lot of people trying to wage symmetric warfare in that country, and there is always a decent chance that Erdogan's own intelligence service might be sponsoring some of the terrorism going on.

[TAZ]

Turkish cop to boot. Ranting about Aleppo and Syria.

I'm sure the guy was pissed about some YouTube video and isn't a terrorist.

[TheNewbie]

Turkish cop to boot. Ranting about Aleppo and Syria.

I'm sure the guy was pissed about some YouTube video and isn't a terrorist.


This sounds familiar.

[Gray222]

http://i.imgur.com/ru2p1en.jpg

Seriously though... Assassinating ambassadors is a surefire way of getting your country on a very short shitlist.

[Jeep]

Turkish cop to boot. Ranting about Aleppo and Syria.

I'm sure the guy was pissed about some YouTube video and isn't a terrorist.

That was a cop? Erdogan had better be very careful about the internal propaganda he is spreading if it is causing his police to lose their heads.

The whole thing has disturbing echos of Japan in the 1930's.

[BehindBlueI's]

Turkish cop to boot. Ranting about Aleppo and Syria.

I'm sure the guy was pissed about some YouTube video and isn't a terrorist.

Terrorist? No casualties other than the Russian ambassador. Then, you know, the whole "remember Syria" thing he had going for him. Sounds like an assassin with a motive based in Russian acts in Syria, not a terrorist.

[TheNewbie]

http://i.imgur.com/ru2p1en.jpg

Seriously though... Assassinating ambassadors is a surefire way of getting your country on a very short shitlist.


That is hilarious!

[Peally]

Turkey is fucked up, and so is Russia. Not really surprised.

Don't diplomats have armed guards? I sure as hell would visiting a place like Turkey.

[TR675]

I'm sure he does (although they were nowhere to be seen in that video), but green on blue is hard to guard against.

[alohadoug]

Reports are the officer was part of the Host Nation Security Detail.

US Embassy Ankara has tweeted that it is on lock-down and US Citizens should avoid the area due to "ongoing security incident." Turkish/British media reports shots fired IVO Embassy.

Oh and here's the issue sidearm of the Turkish Police....from the stills I've seen I suspect this is what he used.

http://www.sarsilmaz.com/en/catalog/product/ST10/13/57

[Dagga Boy]

Turkey is fucked up, and so is Russia. Not really surprised.

Don't diplomats have armed guards? I sure as hell would visiting a place like Turkey.

I think that was his armed guard that shot him....so much for using host security. Add an ambassador shot to shooting a plane down and this could be popcorn worthy.

[TheNewbie]

Reports are the officer was part of the Host Nation Security Detail.

US Embassy Ankara has tweeted that it is on lock-down and US Citizens should avoid the area due to "ongoing security incident." Turkish/British media reports shots fired IVO Embassy.

Oh and here's the issue sidearm of the Turkish Police....from the stills I've seen I suspect this is what he used.

http://www.sarsilmaz.com/en/catalog/product/ST10/13/57


So the assassin preferred hammer fired guns for aiwb purposes?

[BaiHu]

Connected??
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/19/report-truck-drives-into-crowded-christmas-market-in-berlin.html

[alohadoug]

Might be wrong...

If some can screenshot the video in the Washington Post article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gunfire-wounds-russian-ambassador-in-turkey-reports-say/2016/12/19/ae32d1c8-c608-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_turkeyrussia-1155a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.411e2520bec4) starting about the 45 second mark, there are some good shots of the pistol in his hand.

Might be this (http://www.sarsilmaz.com/en/catalog/product/ST9/13/56)instead...

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[BaiHu]

Connected??
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/19/report-truck-drives-into-crowded-christmas-market-in-berlin.html

Looking like 9 dead and 50 injured at this time: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/19/report-truck-drives-into-crowded-christmas-market-in-berlin.html?refresh=true

Meanwhile Obama is hard at work burning and shredding the past 8 years? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/19/obama-announces-record-wave-pardons-commutations.html

[Irelander]

The barrel of the gun he used looks to be silver. Neither of the guns posted so far have silver colored barrels.

[BaiHu]

The barrel of the gun he used looks to be silver. Neither of the guns posted so far have silver colored barrels.

It's a Glock with a stainless steel polished barrel. Everyone knows you have to change the barrel out :D

[alohadoug]

The barrel of the gun he used looks to be silver. Neither of the guns posted so far have silver colored barrels.

Damn. Good point. Got me then. :D

[Duelist]

Terrorist? No casualties other than the Russian ambassador. Then, you know, the whole "remember Syria" thing he had going for him. Sounds like an assassin with a motive based in Russian acts in Syria, not a terrorist.

Exactly. This guy was focused.

[RJ]

Exactly. This guy was focused.

You aren't thinking 'God is great' in Arabic might be an indication?

Ok; I'll agree he was focused. I'll say not 'terra' as in planes flying into buildings, but definitely politically motivated.

[RJ]

Connected??
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/19/report-truck-drives-into-crowded-christmas-market-in-berlin.html

I'm not seeing a connection...rather a very unhappy coincidence.

Getting reports the asshole driving the truck had been apprehended.

[AMC]

Terrorist? No casualties other than the Russian ambassador. Then, you know, the whole "remember Syria" thing he had going for him. Sounds like an assassin with a motive based in Russian acts in Syria, not a terrorist.

Methinks this enters into "distinction without a difference" territory. His reported statements of "We die there, you die here" are instructive. The "we" certainly didn't mean Turks in this instance. This certainly seems like a violent act meant to intimidate a government of civilian population into changing policy.....or just revenge plain and simple, by killing a symbolic target. The "we" in this instance almost certainly refers to co-religionists. Messy and unpleasant for everyone involved, but also the most likely motivator by far.

[RJ]

Methinks this enters into "distinction without a difference" territory. His reported statements of "We die there, you die here" are instructive. The "we" certainly didn't mean Turks in this instance. This certainly seems like a violent act meant to intimidate a government of civilian population into changing policy.....or just revenge plain and simple, by killing a symbolic target. The "we" in this instance almost certainly refers to co-religionists. Messy and unpleasant for everyone involved, but also the most likely motivator by far.

Like maybe the dude has family in Aleppo? I could see that.

But damn, shot by your own in-country security detail...wow...going to be a game changer for Russian diplomatic security for sure. I mean, besides whatever Putin decides to do.

Black Sea is going to be an interesting place to watch. Not sure these days what assets Russia maintains at Novorossiysk or Sevastopol.

[AMC]

When I referred to "revenge" I was not thinking of "personal" motives, like family. This was a Turk.....unlikely that he had family in Allepo. And who were the Russkies targeting there? Hmmmmm......at this point it may turn out to be an unusual incident with an unknown motivation. Or it could be exactly what it appears to be.

[BaiHu]

I'm not seeing a connection...rather a very unhappy coincidence.

Getting reports the asshole driving the truck had been apprehended.
I don't believe in terroristic coincidences, but I also don't believe I "know", just hypothesizing.

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[Chance]

Did the Russians keep Hillary out of office so they could bring her on as their secretary of state?

[BehindBlueI's]

You aren't thinking 'God is great' in Arabic might be an indication?


No. You can get a "God is great" if the waiter is fast with your dinner in the Mid East. I get it's tied to terrorism in the Western mind, but it's a ubiquitous phrase with no particular connotations in the ME. Much like "Thank God" in the Western world, it doesn't even necessarily indicate the person is particularly religious.


Methinks this enters into "distinction without a difference" territory. His reported statements of "We die there, you die here" are instructive. The "we" certainly didn't mean Turks in this instance. This certainly seems like a violent act meant to intimidate a government of civilian population into changing policy.....or just revenge plain and simple, by killing a symbolic target. The "we" in this instance almost certainly refers to co-religionists. Messy and unpleasant for everyone involved, but also the most likely motivator by far.

Except Aleppo was specifically mentioned.


When I referred to "revenge" I was not thinking of "personal" motives, like family. This was a Turk.....unlikely that he had family in Allepo. And who were the Russkies targeting there? Hmmmmm......at this point it may turn out to be an unusual incident with an unknown motivation. Or it could be exactly what it appears to be.

I don't know if he's a Turk or not. I also don't know if Turkey is closer to Jordan, where only natives are recruited for police (not true until a few decades ago, but the way it is now) or Qatar where almost no "rank and file" police are natives. That said, it's not far fetched at all to have friends or family in Aleppo. The countries are geographically small and there's a lot of immigration for work. My father-in-law lived in Jordan, Kuwait, and Qatar over the years. When I was in Jordan the first time, there were long range taxis that would take you to Damascus. There's a lot of connection, or was before ISIS. Even now, I've got in-laws in Saudi, Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar and they are all on Jordanian passports.

[Kirk]

[QUOTE=BehindBlueI's;538713]No. You can get a "God is great" if the waiter is fast with your dinner in the Mid East. I get it's tied to terrorism in the Western mind, but it's a ubiquitous phrase with no particular connotations in the ME. Much like "Thank God" in the Western world, it doesn't even necessarily indicate the person is particularly religious[\QUOTE]

This. When 95% of the population is Muslim, you are going to get Allahu Akbar chants when the coffee is especially good that morning.

[Wondering Beard]

This was a Turk.....unlikely that he had family in Allepo.

Aleppo is real close to the border and there is a Turkmen minority in Syria which has been fighting against Assad. Having Turks in Aleppo wouldn't be in the least surprising. Add to that, the fact that the majority of the"rebels" in Aleppo were Jihadist types (Al Nusra Front and the like) of the Sunni persuasion (Assad is Alawite, a Shia "spin off"; Syria always had strong non Sunni minorities - Shia, Christian, Druze etc..- which because of the Jihadist domination of the rebellion have ended up with Assad even if they don't like him) and you can easily have a mixture of motives. The situation in Syria is quite complex and only one part of it is a religious war.

[CCT125US]

So the assassin preferred hammer fired guns for aiwb purposes?

Must have been >35.

[TAZ]

Terrorist? No casualties other than the Russian ambassador. Then, you know, the whole "remember Syria" thing he had going for him. Sounds like an assassin with a motive based in Russian acts in Syria, not a terrorist.

An assassin can be a terrorist. At this stage he has not been shown to be a state actor, used violence to make political/religious statements (Aloha snackbar, We die in Aleppo you die here...) Just cause he didnt blow himself and a bunch of kids up, doesn't exclude him from being a terrorist. Maybe his goal wasn't to terrorize Turkish citizens, but rather Russian diplomats and such.

[Peally]

[QUOTE=BehindBlueI's;538713]No. You can get a "God is great" if the waiter is fast with your dinner in the Mid East. I get it's tied to terrorism in the Western mind, but it's a ubiquitous phrase with no particular connotations in the ME. Much like "Thank God" in the Western world, it doesn't even necessarily indicate the person is particularly religious[\QUOTE]

This. When 95% of the population is Muslim, you are going to get Allahu Akbar chants when the coffee is especially good that morning.

It would be less connected with terrorism if it wasn't every 3rd phrase out of their damned mouths in tarded middle eastern combat footage.

[45dotACP]

Must have been >35.
Get this guy a beer 😂

[HCM]

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[Jay Cunningham]

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Too soon?

[MD7305]

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[breakingtime91]

Magazine looks busted.

[BaiHu]

Magazine looks busted.
Or shot in the hands/gun if he was pointing it at them?

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[Arbninftry]

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Good Terrorist


That is-

Good and Dead

I think he died of natural causes.

[Shoresy]

Good Terrorist


That is-

Good and Dead

I think he died of natural causes.

It's natural to die when you're exsanguinated.

[BehindBlueI's]

An assassin can be a terrorist. At this stage he has not been shown to be a state actor, used violence to make political/religious statements (Aloha snackbar, We die in Aleppo you die here...) Just cause he didnt blow himself and a bunch of kids up, doesn't exclude him from being a terrorist. Maybe his goal wasn't to terrorize Turkish citizens, but rather Russian diplomats and such.

Being a state actor or not is irrelevant to if one is a terrorist. There is state sponsored terrorism, "lone wolf" terrorists, etc. If we're going to expand the definition so broadly as to mean particular government officials are scared, then you'd necessarily have to include soldiers as well, right? That strikes me as stretching the meaning of terrorism to the point it becomes meaningless, simply an expedient way to label someone as the bad guy.

[YVK]

After ISIS dropped that St. Petersburg-bound passenger plane one would imagine that all Russians in that entire region would be considered as potential targets. How the Ambassador would not have his own detail is beyond me. Russians have no ways to retaliate for this; what, they gonna bomb Aleppo?

My one and personal concern is that one of the easiest routes out of my hometown to States is SVX - IST- JFK. My parents have been doing this every year.

[TGS]

An assassin can be a terrorist. At this stage he has not been shown to be a state actor, used violence to make political/religious statements (Aloha snackbar, We die in Aleppo you die here...) Just cause he didnt blow himself and a bunch of kids up, doesn't exclude him from being a terrorist. Maybe his goal wasn't to terrorize Turkish citizens, but rather Russian diplomats and such.


Being a state actor or not is irrelevant to if one is a terrorist. There is state sponsored terrorism, "lone wolf" terrorists, etc. If we're going to expand the definition so broadly as to mean particular government officials are scared, then you'd necessarily have to include soldiers as well, right? That strikes me as stretching the meaning of terrorism to the point it becomes meaningless, simply an expedient way to label someone as the bad guy.

You're both correct, here. Terrorism has something around 100+ definitions from various academic and legislative bodies. Count me as someone who feels the term is slung loosely about these days, but let's look at what US law says:



[T]he term 'terrorism' means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents


(1) [T]he term 'international terrorism' means activities that —

(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended —
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum".


the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives

[Gray222]

Putin is going to respond in kind, something like what happened after Beslan with Alpha in Chechnya.

[Hambo]

Cop shoots ambassador and five pages later there's still no...

#ambassadorlivesmatter

[Jay Cunningham]

Putin is going to respond in kind, something like what happened after Beslan with Alpha in Chechnya.

Yes he will, but it will be cooly calculated and it will be targeted revenge.

If it was the US ambassador who'd been assassinated, we'd respond by invading Yemen.

[punkey71]

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[Peally]

Dead terrorists are funny, because they're garbage that needs to be taken out. Not so much on lol'ing about their professionalism over a dead ambassador.

[11B10]

What gets me is how long the shooter prances around, waving his gun and spouting all his bs -without getting shot.

[11B10]

Looking like 9 dead and 50 injured at this time: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/19/report-truck-drives-into-crowded-christmas-market-in-berlin.html?refresh=true

Meanwhile Obama is hard at work burning and shredding the past 8 years? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/19/obama-announces-record-wave-pardons-commutations.html



And......pardoning and commuting sentences. At last count: 78. He just might set a new record.

[Peally]

What gets me is how long the shooter prances around, waving his gun and spouting all his bs -without getting shot.

I think that gets all of us, since we're all fairly primed to act quickly. It is an art studio though, it's not like every other person in there was packing (assuming there were no additional body guards that were taken out by the asswipe).

[11B10]

It's a Glock with a stainless steel polished barrel. Everyone knows you have to change the barrel out :D


I'm sure I saw a video yesterday (can't find it right now) which showed a hammer-fired gun.

[BaiHu]

And......pardoning and commuting sentences. At last count: 78. He just might set a new record.
He has set a record. More than 11 previous presidents is what I heard.

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[Irelander]

Still interested to know what gun the dead dirt bag used.

[alohadoug]

Still interested to know what gun the dead dirt bag used.

The Firearm Blog is now claiming it to be a Canik...

"we'll never know...."

[Lex Luthier]

I saw the picture taken with the pistol outstretched, and thought it was a P99 or a clone. So Canik would not be a stretch.

Gad, what a mess. I don't think the folks behind him - if there are any- have thought this through. Putin's govt has more reach now than they have in decades.

[NEPAKevin]

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Reminds me of Obecks (Nicky Katt) from Way of the Gun

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[Peally]

Still interested to know what gun the dead dirt bag used.

Honest question: why do you want to know? Every time some asshole kills someone it seems like that's the first question people wonder. Every time I sit and wonder why the hell it matters.



And unrelated but the memes just piss me off for some reason. People bitch and bitch about the media giving dirt bags a place to be popularized and remembered for their actions, and yet here the internet is with memes of a middle eastern shitbag cop-turned-killer standing over a corpse cracking jokes all the same, apparently because he's not dressed like his dirt farming colleagues.

[Irelander]

Honest question: why do you want to know? Every time some asshole kills someone it seems like that's the first question people wonder. Every time I sit and wonder why the hell it matters.

Just generally curious of what weapons the enemy uses. It doesn't really matter I just didn't recognize it and it piqued my interest.

[TGS]

Just generally curious of what weapons the enemy uses.

Canik TP9 according to TFB (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/20/gun-used-assassinate-russian-ambassador-turkey/).

ETA: Sorry, didn't see that AlohaDoug mentioned that already.

[Jeep]

Yes he will, but it will be cooly calculated and it will be targeted revenge.

If it was the US ambassador who'd been assassinated, we'd respond by invading Yemen.

That's the old way. The new way is to throw a Copt film maker in jail and denounce him on all the weekend political talk shows. Maybe we'll compromise in the future by invading Egypt so we can throw a lot of Copts in jail.