New CZ P10C released Thanksgiving 2016

[SteveB]

Got one of these the other day. I was pretty excited to grab one up; seems like a pretty good deal for $100 less than a G19. I found a lot to love about the P-07 and was hoping the P-10 C would be a striker-fired upgrade. First the pros:
-Very good short, smooth trigger out of the box. Not as light as the pre-production reports, but it should shoot in very nicely. Factory pull was about 4.75 lbs; dicking around with reduced-power Glock striker springs got that close to 4 lbs, but I expect the factory setup to shoot in well.
-It sits in the hand and points like a CZ; better than any other plastic pistol I can think of. Draw to the target eyes closed, open them and the sights are spot on. Aggressive grip texture.
-Factory 3-dot sights are fine; I'm fussy about sights and will swap these out for the F/O front, black rear I have on my P-07 (CZ Custom).
-Even though this pistol lacks the "CZ reverse rail" setup, it is very accurate. A plus is that there is more surface area on the slide, so manipulation is easier than the P-07.
-I'm ambivalent about this, but some will be happy that the slide "autoforwards" on reloads.
-Magwell is P-07-like; very fast.
-200 rounds of American Eagle 147 ball, 50 rounds with lighter striker spring, no FTF. No malfunctions of any kind.
-Fits the following G19 holsters: JMK George, Mitch Rosen Upper Limit, Raven Phantom, Fricke Gideon, Blade-Tech OWB.
-1st 5 rounds from sitting at 25 yards: 1 5/8".
Cons:
-Aggressive grip texture is very sharp; I will lightly sand it and it will be perfect for me.
-Mag release is now ambi with a slot cut high in the front of the mag body. One of the great things about the P-07 is that the empty mag ejects robustly from the pistol without a lot of mag release button pressure. This pistol, IMO, is a big step back in this regard. If you push the button in and don't release it immediately, the mag will stay in the gun. Push and release, and the mag drops out, just not as easily as I would like. The P-10 mag button is metal and has a smaller pad than the P-07, for instance. Just not happy with this.

All in all, this is an impressive pistol, especially at this price point. I need to get a few more mags and work with the mag release and see if I can get comfortable with it.

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[octagon]

Got one of these the other day. I was pretty excited to grab one up; seems like a pretty good deal for $100 less than a G19. I found a lot to love about the P-07 and was hoping the P-10 C would be a striker-fired upgrade. First the pros:
-Very good short, smooth trigger out of the box. Not as light as the pre-production reports, but it should shoot in very nicely. Factory pull was about 4.75 lbs; dicking around with reduced-power Glock striker springs got that close to 4 lbs, but I expect the factory setup to shoot in well.
-It sits in the hand and points like a CZ; better than any other plastic pistol I can think of. Draw to the target eyes closed, open them and the sights are spot on. Aggressive grip texture.
-Factory 3-dot sights are fine; I'm fussy about sights and will swap these out for the F/O front, black rear I have on my P-07 (CZ Custom).
-Even though this pistol lacks the "CZ reverse rail" setup, it is very accurate. A plus is that there is more surface area on the slide, so manipulation is easier than the P-07.
-I'm ambivalent about this, but some will be happy that the slide "autoforwards" on reloads.
-Magwell is P-07-like; very fast.
-200 rounds of American Eagle 147 ball, 50 rounds with lighter striker spring, no FTF. No malfunctions of any kind.
-Fits the following G19 holsters: JMK George, Mitch Rosen Upper Limit, Raven Phantom, Fricke Gideon, Blade-Tech OWB.
-1st 5 rounds from sitting at 25 yards: 1 5/8".
Cons:
-Aggressive grip texture is very sharp; I will lightly sand it and it will be perfect for me.
-Mag release is now ambi with a slot cut high in the front of the mag body. One of the great things about the P-07 is that the empty mag ejects robustly from the pistol without a lot of mag release button pressure. This pistol, IMO, is a big step back in this regard. If you push the button in and don't release it immediately, the mag will stay in the gun. Push and release, and the mag drops out, just not as easily as I would like. The P-10 mag button is metal and has a smaller pad than the P-07, for instance. Just not happy with this.

All in all, this is an impressive pistol, especially at this price point. I need to get a few more mags and work with the mag release and see if I can get comfortable with it.

16883

The stiff mag button is often cited in reviews of the P10C. Most report it gets better with use and one reviewer used a Glock striker safety plunger spring in place of the P10C magazine button spring which worked and greatly lightened the pressure needed but also later caused too easy release of the mag.

Thanks for the review.

[SteveB]

I continue to be impressed with the P-10C, and can now sort of clear up the magazine release problem I mentioned above. I had the chance to shoot my P-10 with standard capacity (15-round) mags, and there is no problem with the mag release. The 15's drop out of the gun perfectly, like all my other CZ's have always done, but the 10's are balky. So, with this sample of one pistol, two 15-rd mags work great, two 10-rd mags don't.

[XXXsilverXXX]

I continue to be impressed with the P-10C, and can now sort of clear up the magazine release problem I mentioned above. I had the chance to shoot my P-10 with standard capacity (15-round) mags, and there is no problem with the mag release. The 15's drop out of the gun perfectly, like all my other CZ's have always done, but the 10's are balky. So, with this sample of one pistol, two 15-rd mags work great, two 10-rd mags don't.

Can't wait to hear how it runs long term...

[spinmove_]

I continue to be impressed with the P-10C, and can now sort of clear up the magazine release problem I mentioned above. I had the chance to shoot my P-10 with standard capacity (15-round) mags, and there is no problem with the mag release. The 15's drop out of the gun perfectly, like all my other CZ's have always done, but the 10's are balky. So, with this sample of one pistol, two 15-rd mags work great, two 10-rd mags don't.

So is that to say that they don't drop free reliably or something else? How are the 10 rounders limited to 10 rounds?


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[JHC]

Unless a current Gadget can drop right in, then you are more right than wrong on my card because I took the writer to mean clone clone. ;)

[walker2713]

FWIW, I watched a "detail strip" video on YT, and while the mechanical concept may be very similar, the CZ has a lot more parts, the double trigger springs, and appeared to this doush of a gun "mechanic," to be much more complicated to tinker with than my Glocks. Maybe more time and experience will prove otherwise.

I just picked up my P10C a couple of days ago and I've blacked out the rear sights, put 310 rounds through it and cleaned it three times...so far so good.


George

[HopetonBrown]

So is that to say that they don't drop free reliably or something else? How are the 10 rounders limited to 10 rounds?


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I handled one, and couldn't get the 15 round mags to reliably drop.

[MGW]

Buddy bought one to test out and has sent it back to CZ. It was failing to reset. Not just once in awhile but a lot.

[ralph]

FWIW, I watched a "detail strip" video on YT, and while the mechanical concept may be very similar, the CZ has a lot more parts, the double trigger springs, and appeared to this doush of a gun "mechanic," to be much more complicated to tinker with than my Glocks. Maybe more time and experience will prove otherwise.

I just picked up my P10C a couple of days ago and I've blacked out the rear sights, put 310 rounds through it and cleaned it three times...so far so good.


George

Looking at the exploded drawing that is in the P-10's manual, The CZ has 38 parts, 39 counting the mag, I think that Glock has 32..I would'nt say that's "a lot more parts" by compairsion, a VP9, has something like 56 parts, so, I'd say the Cz is more in line with Glock..

[Nephrology]

Watching with interest. If I jump into another doublestack 9mm striker pistol it'd be this one. Likely not any time in this calendar year however.

[SteveB]

I now have 560 trouble-free rounds through the P-10; mostly ball: Federal 147, Federal 124, Aguila 124, PMC 115. Couple mags of 147 HST. No cleaning yet. Better accuracy than my average Glock, trigger is very good for an out-of-the-box SFP, but the best thing about this gun relative to the G19 is the grip angle. So far, both standard capacity mags drop out of the gun without drama; the 10-rounders both will stick in the gun when the mag button is pressed firmly. A Gadget for this thing would be the bomb.

[Nephrology]

I now have 560 trouble-free rounds through the P-10; mostly ball: Federal 147, Federal 124, Aguila 124, PMC 115. Couple mags of 147 HST. No cleaning yet. Better accuracy than my average Glock, trigger is very good for an out-of-the-box SFP, but the best thing about this gun relative to the G19 is the grip angle. So far, both standard capacity mags drop out of the gun without drama; the 10-rounders both will stick in the gun when the mag button is pressed firmly. A Gadget for this thing would be the bomb.

Do you think the accuracy improvement is because of the ergonomics or mechanical fit?

[SteveB]

Do you think the accuracy improvement is because of the ergonomics or mechanical fit?

I was talking accuracy rather than "shootability"; slow fire from a supported position off a bench; I've been impressed by the mechanical accuracy of 8 different CZ pistols. I am also a big fan of CZ ergos, and the already-great trigger seems to be even better after 500 rounds. So, from bench shooting and action shooting perspectives, both ergos and "mechanical fit" play a role.

[ralph]

I've got about 600 rnds through mine, no functional problems. What I can say is, when new out of the box, these pistols are stiff, by that I mean, the slide stop, mag release are stiff and hard to use. However, these issues straighten themselves out with use, mine when nib had a gritty trigger, stiff slide stop requiring two thumbs to use, and a stiff mag release. Within 300 rnds the grit in the trigger was gone, and the slide stop can be used with one thumb, the mag release while still stiff, was useable. I should explain that with a downloaded mag, or empty mag the mag release is'nt difficult to use, the issue starts with a FULL mag. My solution to this was to polish the parts in the mag release per a vid on the CZ forum (the mag release is easily removed and does not require removal of the trigger or any of it's parts) and simply loading up some mags and letting them sit for a week or so, so that the mag spring takes a set. Overall, my experience with the P-10 has been positive, these guns need shot to get things working.

Accuracy wise when I shot the P-10 side by side with my g19, looking at the targets, (shot at about 8-10 yds) accuracy seemed almost identical,although I'd give a very slight edge to the CZ, I'm also 62 yrs old, and wearing tri-focals,so I'm sure somebody with better vision could do better. One thing the P-10 really does do better is eject empty brass, both of my g19's have btf issues that were mostly resolved with a Apex etractor, but the still throw brass at me from time to time, the P-10 simply dosen't. That alone was my major interest in it, a g19 sized striker-fired pistol, with a black nitride finish inside and out, including the barrel, just like a Glock, that dose'nt throw brass at you..what a concept! I need to bring a timer out the next time I got to the range, I do feel that I can shoot the P-10 faster, the sights seem to track a little better, but , I don't have any figures to back that up with.

The only issue I've had so far is, with one of the coil pins in the back of the pistol walking out, this has happened twice now, after the last time, I put a small dab of blue locktite on the pin that was sticking out, and reset the pin. Hopefully that'll hold it in place. While this was advertised as being able to fit in g19 holsters, that is'nt quite true..it'll fit in SOME g19 holsters. The P-10 would'nt begin to fit in my blade tech nano, however, it does fit very well in a leather holster I had for a PPQ, well enough to use for carry, which I'm doing until the kydex holster I ordered shows up. All in all, I'm happy with my P-10, it seems to get better as it gets shot.

[GJM]

Since you mention a PPQ holster, how do you compare/contrast the CZ to a PPQ?

[ralph]

Since you mention a PPQ holster, how do you compare/contrast the CZ to a PPQ?

Well, I really can't, the PPQ was sold a few years ago, the holster was a leftover. So, I no longer have one, but, one thing I remember about shooting the PPQ is, it seemed a little flippy, the P-10 on the other hand, shoots flat, just as flat as a Glock.

[CDFIII]

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Got a second P10c from the family for Fathers Day today. This time in FDE... right out of the box the trigger, mag release and slide lock/release feel smoother than my first one. All controls are actually usable a bit stiff but nothing like my other was when purchased. My black one I picked up maybe a month and a half ago has now worked itself in.

[octagon]

CDFIII Do you mind saying where you are getting these or feel free to PM me if you would rather not say publicly? I am curious as there are zero around here in NW Ohio and the distributor in Columbus hasn't gotten one yet.

[CDFIII]

CDFIII Do you mind saying where you are getting these or feel free to PM me if you would rather not say publicly? I am curious as there are zero around here in NW Ohio and the distributor in Columbus hasn't gotten one yet.
Believe it or not.. most of my local shops are getting them in regularly. I'm seeing prices locally between $475.00 and $500.00.
I would check on Gun Broker or https://gunwatcher.com/cz-p10c-for-sale-in-stock/guns-best-price-link

[octagon]

I was wondering what state you are in. I have seen them for sale just not nearby so I am wondering how the distribution is going. I am not in a huge rush to get one to pay more for it. I have a deposit down for a black standard model.

[SteveB]

CZ Custom has P-10's for $479.95 and will supply sights. I'm getting a F/O front, black Shadow rear from them, $35 each.

czcustom.com

[JohnN]

CZ Custom has P-10's for $479.95 and will supply sights. I'm getting a F/O front, black Shadow rear from them, $35 each.

czcustom.com

Do you happen to have the part numbers for the sights you bought?

[SteveB]

Do you happen to have the part numbers for the sights you bought?

Rear sight is 10220. Front sight is 1001073.

[JohnN]

Rear sight is 10220. Front sight is 1001073.
Thanks Steve.

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[ralph]

Rear sight is 10220. Front sight is 1001073.

How wide is the notch on the rear sight?

[billl825]

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[Trukinjp13]

CZ Custom has P-10's for $479.95 and will supply sights. I'm getting a F/O front, black Shadow rear from them, $35 each.

czcustom.com

Did you call and find out they have them? I can not find them on the site. Looking to pick one up.


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[SteveB]

Call 'em.

(480) 969-1311

[CDFIII]

I took the FDE P10c out today. Ran approximately 250 rds. of various 124gr. including a 2 boxes of Fed 124gr. HST. Gun ran flawlessly! Ejection was very positive flinging brass in a nice pile to my right. Gun tracks super flat it's scary. Slide lock and mag release are easy to operate. This particular gun was fine out of the box to begin with so the range trip today only helped it work in that much nicer.
Did I mention how flat this thing shoots;). I shot it against one of my VP9's that I usually use as a base line and today I ran circles around my VP. Could have just been a fluke but it certainly surprised the crap out of me.
Only thing I have noticed on the CZ P10C is that the pin for the magazine release is easily pushed out. Pin never walked out on me during shooting but during inspection I have noticed it on both of my samples as well as a couple the lgs has had on the shelves. So I have a feeling this is standard.

[octagon]

I have read several people comment on how flat the P10 C shoots. What are your opinions on why? Heavier slide,grip angle,bore axis,RSA tuning or something else? Say compared to a Glock 19 since it is the closest competitor and most commonly used for comparing.

[walker2713]

I have a little over 400 rounds through mine. I've blacked out the rear sights, and painted the front with some of the wife's bright fingernail polish.

Took it to the monthly steel plate match this morning at the OPSO range, and was very happy with "pointability," recoil and trigger feel. I shot noticeably better than I usually do...which is not necessarily saying anything impressive.

I wish I could shoot it in the GSSF Glock match next month. :(

George

[CDFIII]

For me I believe it is definitely the low bore axis. That and my second one is FDE so automatically it is 20% more accurate;). When I shoot Glocks they too shoot pretty flat for me but today the CZ felt like it may have shot even flatter. As far as grip angle I do prefer it over Glocks as well as the CZ (tear your flesh off) checkering to me is just perfect.
Like I said earlier today may have been a total fluke.. but I am really happy with them so far.

[Mitch]

I honestly don't feel a difference between my P10c and a Gen 4 19 as far as recoil control goes. If the Glock is pushing it size wise for your hand size the CZ may be a little better in that regard, but otherwise I don't see much of a difference.

That being said I'm loving this gun. It basically feels like a better Glock 19 to me.


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[LittleLebowski]

Finger banged one at VA Arms today. Dear god, I like this pistol. Beavertail done right, better undercut of the trigger guard, full ambi, good grip texture, and a fantastic trigger. The only things I don't like are the lack of SCD Tom_Jones and the sticky mag and slide releases.

#DoWant (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=DoWant)

[blues]

The only thing worse than the lack of a Tom_Jones is an overabundance of Tom_Jones.

Don't make this more complicated than it has Tau be.

You wanna get all Zen-like maybe you should change it to the Tao Development Group. ;)

[Mitch]

Finger banged one at VA Arms today. Dear god, I like this pistol. Beavertail done right, better undercut of the trigger guard, full ambi, good grip texture, and a fantastic trigger. The only things I don't like are the lack of SCD Tom_Jones and the sticky mag and slide releases.

#DoWant (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=DoWant)

The mag and slide releases must have some tolerance issues or something. I have heard from multiple sources about that, but mine have been smooth right out of the box. Maybe for others they just need to wear in?

I don't know. But I love this pistol. All I want for it are sights, and SCD, and that's pretty much it.

Wait until you shoot one. I can only speak for mine but it's a really accurate service pistol.

Not to rub it into Glock guys, but it also passes the 10-8 extractor test [emoji41]


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[blues]

I probably need to change the company name to something less lame anyway.

Aw, c'mon...it's a kick ass name. Now you went and made me feel guilty. (Well, not too guilty...but anyway...that wasn't my point. ;))

[Chef]

I purchased mine today and was able to run 50 rounds through it. Hadn't planned on shooting it, or purchasing it for that matter so it was just a paper punching session.

HOW DO YOU REMOVE THE PIN TO CHANGE THE BACKSTRAP? I cannot get it to budge and I am bound to break something- I am WHACKING it with a hammer.

[Kyle Reese]

Finger banged one at VA Arms today. Dear god, I like this pistol. Beavertail done right, better undercut of the trigger guard, full ambi, good grip texture, and a fantastic trigger. The only things I don't like are the lack of SCD Tom_Jones and the sticky mag and slide releases.

#DoWant (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=DoWant)
You're welcome to give mine a spin when it arrives.

#Czechmate (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Czechmate)

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[Mjolnir]

I purchased mine today and was able to run 50 rounds through it. Hadn't planned on shooting it, or purchasing it for that matter so it was just a paper punching session.

HOW DO YOU REMOVE THE PIN TO CHANGE THE BACKSTRAP? I cannot get it to budge and I am bound to break something- I am WHACKING it with a hammer.

Use a mallet.

When you see the pin you'll know why - it has teeth. So don't put it back in until you're convinced of the size MSH you will use.

Also, for the mag release - it's fine with an empty magazine; load up a magazine and insert it then try the magazine release.

I removed mine and polished the parts; much better now.


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[RichY]

The heavy magazine release is self correcting. Just shoot the pistol. Within 125 rounds mine was already significantly better.

My P10c is far more accurate than any of my Glocks, and the ergonomics and trigger are also significantly better FOR ME. I was 100% into Glocks, as they are the only thing I have carried for a number of years, but I haven't shot a pistol this well since I sold off all my custom 1911's. Of course, everyone has different experiences, but so far, I am very impressed.

[LittleLebowski]

The heavy magazine release is self correcting. Just shoot the pistol. Within 125 rounds mine was already significantly better.

My P10c is far more accurate than any of my Glocks, and the ergonomics and trigger are also significantly better FOR ME. I was 100% into Glocks, as they are the only thing I have carried for a number of years, but I haven't shot a pistol this well since I sold off all my custom 1911's. Of course, everyone has different experiences, but so far, I am very impressed.

DAMNIT.

[Mjolnir]

The heavy magazine release is self correcting. Just shoot the pistol. Within 125 rounds mine was already significantly better.

My P10c is far more accurate than any of my Glocks, and the ergonomics and trigger are also significantly better FOR ME. I was 100% into Glocks, as they are the only thing I have carried for a number of years, but I haven't shot a pistol this well since I sold off all my custom 1911's. Of course, everyone has different experiences, but so far, I am very impressed.

My mag release didn't heal itself but I found a vid online that showed how the mag release comes out and goes back together. So I took it out and lightly polished the parts. It initially didn't make a difference. Let me explain: with a FULLY LOADED magazine it will not drop free very easily at all.

Shot it and worked the release while watching TV and it is much better.

I'm an HK VP9 guy who carries LAV Glock 19s 40% of the time.

I will exclusively carry the P10 for the next five months to see how I adapt to it.

WHAT THE CZ P10C IS:

More ergonomic than a Glock 19

More accurate than a Glock 19

Flatter & thus more easily concealed than a Glock 19 & VP9

Less expensive than either

Great (overly done) stippling - I had to lightly sandpapered the mainspring housing.

WHAT THE CZ P10C IS NOT:

More accurate than the VP9 which surprised me

As refined as the VP9

Softer shooting than the VP9 (muzzle flip - VP9 - versus recoiling into the hands - P10C)

VERDICT THUS FAR (ONE WEEK AND FOUR HUNDRED ROUNDS)

I adore it!

It's a viable alternative to either the Glock 19 or VP9.

It needs better sights 5.5 mm height front sight is too short for me and they are too wide; all pistols need something akin to the Trijicon HD-xr sights.


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[LittleLebowski]

My mag release didn't heal itself but I found a vid online that showed how the mag release comes out and goes back together. So I took it out and lightly polished the parts. It initially didn't make a difference. Let me explain: with a FULLY LOADED magazine it will not drop free very easily at all.

Shot it and worked the release while watching TV and it is much better.

I'm an HK VP9 guy who carries LAV Glock 19s 40% of the time.

I will exclusively carry the P10 for the next five months to see how I adapt to it.

WHAT THR P10C IS:

More ergonomic than a Glock 19

More accurate than a Glock 19

Flatter & thus more easily concealed than a Glock 19 & VP9

Less expensive than either

Great (overly done) stippling - I had to lightly sandpapered the mainspring housing.

WHAT THE P10C IS NOT:

More accurate than the VP9 which surprised me

As refined as the VP9

Softer shooting than the VP9 (muzzle flip - VP9 - versus recoiling into the hands - P10C)

VERDICT THUS FAR

I adore it!

It's a viable alternative to either the Glock 19 or VP9.

It needs better sights 5.5 mm height front sight is too short for me and they are too wide; all pistols need something akin to the Trijicon HD-xr sights.


Mucho thanks, bro. Let me know if you need the thread split up for your P10 journey.

[Mjolnir]

Mucho thanks, bro. Let me know if you need the thread split up for your P10 journey.

I should type out what I had been sending and post it.

I'll tell you what... I'm REALLY liking it. I'd *LOVE* it with a set of HD-xr sights on it.

It's got that much potential.


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[Mitch]

This pistol really is outstanding, especially considering the price. I think Dawson style fiber optic sights are the best option currently out for it, that's probably what I'm going to get. I'm trying to find a way to say it without coming off as a glock basher, but it really just seems like a better Glock 19 to me.

It SHOULD be a huge success, but we'll have to wait and see on that.


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[CDFIII]

I am in agreement with both 125 mph and Mjolnir. It is an excellent piece of equipment so far. I as well love my VP's and second everything Mjolnir has said as far as shooting it vs. the VP. Although I did out shoot my VP9 in the few drills I ran last weekend. Which totally shocked me... could have just been the new gun syndrome. I had two a black one and FDE. Controls on the FDE were good out of the box. Black one needed a bit of shooting to work them in. I actually feel guilty for liking this gun so much. Not sure why but I do.

[LittleLebowski]

I should type out what I had been sending and post it.

I'll tell you what... I'm REALLY liking it. I'd *LOVE* it with a set of HD-xr sights on it.

It's got that much potential.


Lemme know if I can help. Invite still open for dinner/brews if you ever get out this way.

[RichY]

I'm an HK VP9 guy who carries LAV Glock 19s 40% of the time.

I will exclusively carry the P10 for the next five months to see how I adapt to it.

WHAT THE CZ P10C IS:

More ergonomic than a Glock 19

More accurate than a Glock 19

Flatter & thus more easily concealed than a Glock 19 & VP9

Less expensive than either

Great (overly done) stippling - I had to lightly sandpapered the mainspring housing.

WHAT THE CZ P10C IS NOT:

More accurate than the VP9 which surprised me

As refined as the VP9

Softer shooting than the VP9 (muzzle flip - VP9 - versus recoiling into the hands - P10C)

VERDICT THUS FAR (ONE WEEK AND FOUR HUNDRED ROUNDS)

I adore it!

It's a viable alternative to either the Glock 19 or VP9.

It needs better sights 5.5 mm height front sight is too short for me and they are too wide; all pistols need something akin to the Trijicon HD-xr sights.


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I agree with everything here, except one. The P10c is certainly not as refined as the VP9, though, probably just by luck of the draw, this particular P10c is MORE accurate than the VP9 we had for awhile. Like you, I figure to spend a lot of time with it before dumping my Glocks, but for at least the next six months to a year, Good Lord willing, I plan to see if the P10c continues to perform well across the board. I am heavily invested in Glocks, Glock parts and accessories, but that won't stop me from switching over, should this platform continue to perform as it does now. Time will tell.

[Nephrology]

Following with interest. Not a near future purchase but I am thinking about it hard

[Mjolnir]

Lemme know if I can help. Invite still open for dinner/brews if you ever get out this way.

[emoji106]


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[Mitch]

Got to shoot the CZ again today. Ammo was 115 gr barnauls from sg ammo. Not one failure to pop a primer or anything else over a few hundred rounds.

This gun is awesome.


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[wmu12071]

I shot a P10C today. I didn't want to like it. I didn't even want to shoot it, but you can't pass up free ammo... I really liked it. I don't need one, but I want two...

[Kyle Reese]

FDE P-10 Cs are in stock at Kentucky Gun Company (http://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=122280) for $460.99 with free shipping.

http://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=122280

Out of Stock. :)

[XXXsilverXXX]

https://www.gunprodeals.com/products/cz-p-10-compact-806703915241

This place seems to have the lowest price, I have never bought from the, though... plus it's out of stock

[XXXsilverXXX]

They charge another $25 for shipping, but yeah, even with that it's still the best price I've seen ($426+25).

I didn't even notice the shipping :(

[RJ]

*cough* Following *cough* this thread.

Question (sorry if asked already) -- does the extractor work on a traditional basis I.e. sprung away from the frame at the rear? From the exploded parts diagram I found, it looks like it: a vertical roll pin through the middle with a rear spring. But I was not sure.

[LittleLebowski]

Any good sights for these yet?

[GJM]

Any good sights for these yet?

CZ Custom offers a fiber optic front and black rear.

[Mjolnir]

Any good sights for these yet?

CZ Customs has tritium sights.

I think it uses P-07/P-09 fronts and rears from the Shadow (don't quote me on the rear).


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[LittleLebowski]

God, I want one of these.

Normally, I despise YouTube videos but this one is well done and funny. It's in response to Larry Vickers' critique of his P10C. Worth your time.


https://youtu.be/CzzH_Soh0Uc

[Mjolnir]

Mine was like Larry's - stubborn - with respect to the Maag release. Mine would work with an empty mag. Start loading it and it got progressively more difficult to effectively release the magazine. When I'm shooting for accuracy I load three to five rounds and just shoot so I did not notice it until after the second session after I had modified a holster for it. So I found a video that showed how to remove and polish the parts. It helped but at round ten in the pistol took about 15 lbs of force to release the magazine. So I disassembled and polished some more and it took maybe 12 lbs. The next day I stool to the range and was swapping magazines and it just "settled in". There are guys on various CZ websites stating the same and I commented at the end of this video (WDLC1911).

With that out of the way my only other issue is finding a good pair of sights (by that I mean Trijicon HD-XR sights in yellow. [emoji1305]).

It's a relatively flat framed pistol so it rides well when carried. I've stated that before; just wanted to reiterate that.

I've seen/felt variability in triggers in these pistols. Some are awesome, some very good and one locally has an odd "hitch" in the trigger stroke that could probably be cleaned up but... So ask to see several examples even if they are stored and choose the one that meets your criteria. It's the same with Glocks, VP9s, SIGs,...

It's a great pistol that could have used a little bit more development time to address the magazine release.

Also the striker assembly was made in Hell. I've not taken mine apart but there are CZ guys growling about it. There is a small spring that when you are removing the striker assembly can launch itself. Ziploc bag it when disassembling it...


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[octagon]

I finally got the call yesterday that the one I had a deposit on came in. Arranging the transfer today and I hope to have it by early next week. At least I can feel confidant when I go swimming. :D I asked if they had any others not reserved and they said no. They got 3 in and all 3 were spoken for. I can't believe a distributor only gets 3 still. I wonder how long it will take for supply to catch up with demand?


https://youtu.be/IRYS4zRJaaI

[LittleLebowski]

So ask to see several examples even if they are stored and choose the one that meets your criteria. It's the same with Glocks, VP9s, SIGs,...


Yup, awesome advice.

[Trukinjp13]

FDE P-10 Cs are in stock at Kentucky Gun Company (http://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=122280) for $460.99 with free shipping.

http://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=122280

Not now :(

Edit- i am a moron and hate tapatalk. Just realized it put me three pages back.

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[Mr_White]

God, I want one of these.

Normally, I despise YouTube videos but this one is well done and funny. It's in response to Larry Vickers' critique of his P10C. Worth your time.


https://youtu.be/CzzH_Soh0Uc


I finally got the call yesterday that the one I had a deposit on came in. Arranging the transfer today and I hope to have it by early next week. At least I can feel confidant when I go swimming. :D I asked if they had any others not reserved and they said no. They got 3 in and all 3 were spoken for. I can't believe a distributor only gets 3 still. I wonder how long it will take for supply to catch up with demand?


https://youtu.be/IRYS4zRJaaI

LL and octagon - thanks for posting those videos. That is a cool review. I haven't watched much video of guns firing underwater, but isn't it unusual for a handgun to actually cycle through multiple rounds underwater? I think? That's kind of neat, even if pretty unlikely to be needed. Still like it.

When I was in VA recently, I got to shoot a P10C briefly (about 20 rounds maybe.) Based on that little tiny bit of use, I thought the review LL posted was pretty right on. It was a very nice gun. The controls were slightly stiff, but it was new and they were still workable. The trigger was nice. It didn't really turn my head from my Glock with a minus connector and 5lb striker spring - and due to familiarity if nothing, else, I still preferred that trigger to the CZ's. But, compared to an unimproved Glock trigger, I think the CZ's trigger is a bit easier.

I seriously doubt I'd actually switch, because parts/accessories/logistical support, but, I could certainly see myself getting one of these to mess around with.

[JHC]

LL and octagon - thanks for posting those videos. That is a cool review. I haven't watched much video of guns firing underwater, but isn't it unusual for a handgun to actually cycle through multiple rounds underwater? I think? That's kind of neat, even if pretty unlikely to be needed. Still like it.
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Check out the "Twang n Bang" youtube channel for his underwater Glock shooting vid. He went all out. He was demo'ing maritime cups. He went so far as to get scuba'd up and compare gel penetration of different loads underwater. 147 grain load penetrated deepest IIRC.

OTOH I've seen a vid of a guy just stick a stock G17 into a barrel of water in his backyard and dump a mag. Twang 'n Bang is way more upscale. :D

[Gray222]

Saw this at a gun store with LittleLebowski, he likes the trigger, I am not so easily impressed.

;)

[octagon]

Well I just picked up the CZ P10C I had on order. First impressions with handling and dry fire are good. The mag button and slide lever are stiff but from the start I could use the mag button either side without too much effort using just the thumb and it gets easier quickly. The slide lever is also stiff but I can use the left side a right handed shooter would use with my thumb in normal position. It too gets easier with a little use. However the right side slide lever is much stiffer and requires serious pressure downward. I tried each with empty mag in and no mag in and no mag is easier. I suspect a loaded mag may help but we shall see. The trigger is nice and I like most everything about with some reservations. Take up is Glock like except mine has some creep/crunchiness. Once you hit the wall it smooths out so no problem there. The pull is lighter than my Glocks and crisp with a more solid mechanical feel and sound. The travel amount after hitting the wall to the break is very close to a Glock but I haven't measured either. Overtravel is less in the P10C than my Glocks. The grip texture is very grippy and sharp but in dry fire no issue I am concerned about being too harsh. Same goes for slide serrations even though they looked less aggressive then they actually feel. Sights are nice and crisp and good balance of light.

Overall I like it with some issues I hope smooth out and improve with use. One thing I was hoping for and is very good is the size,grip feel and reach of controls. I have always struggled on my Glocks to get really comfortable with the controls and reaching them while maintaining a good grip. The P10C seems to be significantly smaller circumference that that may no longer be an issue. Shooting will determine much more.

[Kyle Reese]

Still waiting on mine to ship from CZ's LE program........

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[Mjolnir]

If you put in a loaded magazine with the slide locked to the rear the mag release works as advertised. An empty mag - not so much.

I can live with that; I'm living and living with that.


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[backtrail540]

https://youtu.be/eUdPCtK1Zxo

I found this detail strip and reassembly video. I'm not sure if it has been posted yet but i didn't see it on the last 8 pages or so. Looks like a pretty simple and straightforward process. I'm more intrigued every day, i shall have one before the end of the year.

[octagon]

I just got back from the range on my first outing with the new CZ P10C. I also took along a new Bersa BP9cc but got carried away with the P10C and shot up too much ammo to really do much with the BP9CC.

First 3 shots went into 1 3/4" group at 7 yards. Next I fired 16 rounds slow fire at 7Y and the group opened up to 2 1/8"
16 rounds with the other magazine and the group opened up to 2 1/4" Point of aim was the center blue dot using straight on hold cutting the dot in half with front sight. It shoots a little high but not a lot.

I then shot 15 rounds quicker and the group opened up to 5 1/4"

Then came function checking the gun for me10 shots 2 handed ,10 shots SHO, 10 shots WHO, 10 shots SHO using the weakest grip I could to not drop the gun and only middle finger on the grip, same with WHO 10 regular and 10 super weak grip.

Then I fired 10 rounds SHO with sights at 9 o clock or 90 degree gangster style. Same again with sights at 3 O clock and finally upside down all SHO which is tough upside down and at 3 O clock. I repeated these steps WHO with 10 rounds at 3,9 and upside down. I then fired 10 rounds bench rested with super slow take up and reset of the trigger.

Each time I shot I changed magazines to try and use both included mags as evenly as possible. I did the same with the slide lever and mag button on each side to get them broken in and smoothed out(More on this later).

Next I set my steel target up at 10 yards for faster shooting.

15 rounds with .42-.52 splits

Same as above SHO then weak hand only

Then I repeated the 90 degree hold SHO shooting 15 rounds as fast as I could get the sights on target and shoot. Normal is .4?-.5 splits but sideways and upside down it was slower but as fast as I could do it.

This was all repeated WHO at 3,9 and upside down gun positions.

Then I fired the last 2 full magazines as fast as I could pull the trigger with no regard to hitting just speed of functioning the gun in normal 2 hand hold.

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Above is the first 3 rounds plus 16 rounds from each mag or 35 rounds total


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This is the 5 1/4" group with 60 rounds

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Above is all the rounds shot on paper before switching to steel. The round off on the bottom was a round I pulled while shooting SHO with sights at 3 o clock sideways.

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The first 500 rounds of the 2000 round P-F challenge have been shot. All using Blazer Brass 115gr 9mm ammo on the gun straight out of the box with no cleaning or lubrication beyond what it is shipped with. I did wipe off extra lube on slide outside.

Number of malfunctions or stoppages - 0
Problems regarding functioning none.

Issues I need to focus on with continued use of the gun are that it gets hot near the take down lever to the point of being uncomfortable in slow or careful shooting. It also drops the slide when slamming magazine home on reloads. This happened on every firm to hard magazine seating I did righthanded but seemed less so when I loaded left handed. This may be because I slam it into the gun harder when doing a normal right hand reload instead of less common left hand reload insertion but I am not sure. The magazine button was stiff right out of the box but got better with dry fire and reload practice. At the range it was really smooth and easy with full magazines in or out but almost seemed too easy to drop with a full mag. I never had any drop free but it seemed really easy to push the button. Coming from Glocks it may be just the different style/design button and that the metal mags jump out of the gun unlike Glocks that just come out. Lastly the slide lever works nicely on both right and left sides using just right or left thumb to drop the slide. This is very easy on loaded mag and much easier than out of the box with empty mag. I am concerned both mag button and slide lever are breaking in too fast and may wear to a point where they don't work properly but that will take a lot more shooting if it ever happens.

Next up will be longer range accuracy shooting and more rounds fired through it as well as more variety of ammunition used. I'll post the results here and in the 2000 round challenge thread.

Impressions:

Fit and reach of controls is good.
Grip texture is very grippy but not painful. I found shooting SHO and WHO easier than with my Glocks of all generations but never had any issues with their grip feel or texture.
I really love not getting Glock knuckle withe the grip shape trigger guard design. However I have to say the grip really grabs in the palm between the thumb and main palm area.

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Compared to support hand palm you can see the redness has lingered even a couple hours after shooting.

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If Glock has Glock knuckle I'll call this P10 Palm.

I found the recoil to be a touch softer than my Gen 4 Glock 19 with the same ammo. Muzzle flip or rise I didn't find a difference from memory but would get a better idea shooting them back to back. Accuracy was much better than I get with my Glocks using the same ammo but at 7 yards is not really saying a lot. I really like how nice it is loading and reloading using metal magazines instead of Glock polymer mags. They really go in and jump out so much more cleanly. I though the feed lips may be uncomfortable when loading to capacity and new mags but had no issue. I also like the round count holes and hi vis follower compared to Glocks holes. The follower is visible as you load and you can tell how many rounds are in the mag by how many holes have brass visible in the holes. A minor point but nice as I never really trusted going by the holes in Glock magazines. The hi vis follower also is nice for quick check of empty mag on slide lock inside an unlit building the range has.

Overall I quite happy with the P10C in how it shot and how it is working using the controls. I like everything about it so far as much or better than I expected and only am concerned with long term functioning reliability and it working with all kinds of ammo as it gets dirty. I planned on waiting until I had a few hundred rounds through it before starting the 2000 rounds but the good results so far and niceness of not cleaning a gun when I get home made it easy to start now. I have Greg Ellifritz's close range gunfighting course coming up next month so I hope to have 2000 rounds through it by then to start the class with a clean gun to evaluate how it does in more unconventional shooting positions from retention.

ETA all the pictures are 90 degrees sideways so the tape measure comes up from the bottom of the picture.

[GJM]

Picked my P10-C up this afternoon, a FDE model. Plan to shoot it tomorrow afternoon, but initial impressions are very positive. Mag release and slide stop are stiff, as noted, but apparently they improve with shooting. Trigger is excellent. Points naturally. Frame just long enough to provide full firing grip and not pinch on reloads. Mag well is very generous and conducive to fast reloads. Look forward to putting it through a full session.

[RJ]

You guys shooting the P10C, how is the ejection pattern?

[Mjolnir]

You guys shooting the P10C, how is the ejection pattern?

Like a SIG: consistent and strong.


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[GJM]

Report on m4c about partially loaded magazines with JHP ejecting on their own:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?190777-Cz-has-a-new-model-Cz-P10-C/page100

[octagon]

I lost my internet yesterday so I am adding to what I posted yesterday.


You guys shooting the P10C, how is the ejection pattern?

Ejection was very good for me even with holding the gun at odd angles and upside down and with a very weak grip. No ejection issues and the slide always locked back on empty.


To GJM's post on mag ejecting on their own. One thing I noticed while dryfire practice and trying to break in the stiff mag button is that if you put upward pressure on the magazine baseplate while it is fully inserted it makes the magazine catch button much easier to push inward on. This works empty,partially loaded or fully loaded with slide forward or slide locked back. I have no clue if this is related to the issue with mags dropping while using +P or +P+ or not just an observation.

I broke out my box(actually a bag) of holsters to see what Glock 19 holsters the P10C fits into and works or doesn't in. Below is the results for holsters I have.

3 different Whitehat hybrid holsters like Crossbreed 2 screwed to backer and 1 riveted it fits and works well in all of them.

Bladetech IWB works but is tighter in retention than Glock

NTEC all kydex IWB holster works the same as a Glock

Aliengear IWB Cloaktuck 3 fits but is almost too snug on retention unless you use thicker spacers.

Serpa OWB works and locks in just tighter fit towards the muzzle.

Stock Glock factory OWB rubber style holster works but edge of holster touches both mag buttons. Even retention bump engages.

Milt Sparks EX Executive companion IWB in leather and horsehide. Works but drags on front cocking serrations

Safariland ALS works but a little too tight near muzzle, lock engages

Safariland OWB 5180 paddle style holster works just snugger than Glock.

Uncle Mikes OWB belt holster Injection molded or kydex does not fit even with adjustment screws full loose.

Gould and Goodrich B803 level 1 thumb strap leather holster fits but cannot snap thumb strap as slide is thicker.

JMCK IWB for Glock 17 AIWB works but touches mag buttons on both sides. Doesn't press them but touches.

Magazine pouches:

Stock Glock rubber type OWB mag pouch fits and works OK but retention is not as snug as Glock mag.

Kytex OWB kydex works very well.

Safariland OWB model 773 works with top adj screw turned tighter for better retention. (These are designated for Glock 17/22)

Custom kydex I had made for 2 mags carried bullets out works also with top adj screw turned tighter for better retention.

[ralph]

I'll put my two cents worth in here, I have about 7-800rnds through mine most of which have been my loads (4.1 gr Bullseye with a 124 RN FMJ) So far, no problems. Due to their cost, ($30.00 a box/50) I put a box of Federal 124 HST's through mine, as well as a couple boxes of German made MEN ammo, this stuff is supposed to be loaded a bit warm, still, I did'nt have any problems with mags dropping out on their own with either brands of ammo. I was kinda suprised how well the P-10 handled the recoil from the +p ammo, it wasn't snappy at all.

[ralph]

You guys shooting the P10C, how is the ejection pattern?

The ejection pattern on my example is to the right, no btf, no erratic ejection, it dosen't seem to matter what type of ammo is used, +p or standard pressure, they all go to the right at about 3 o clock... You can't ask for much more than that..

[GJM]

I had a first range session with the P10-C this afternoon. I shot approximately 225 rounds, and my wife shot about 30 rounds. All PMC 115 ball, no malfunctions of any kind -- mechanical or ergonomic. I only shot some for groups at 25 yards, but it was about 2.5 inches for five shots offhand, about one inch left of center. Had no problems ejecting empty or partially loaded magazines. Slide stop is still stiff.

Overall, I found it a joy to shoot, and it felt like a product improved G19. Compared to the 19, on the CZ I liked the grip angle, trigger, frame contact with my middle finger, and the way the pistol shucked the brass out there. The magwell is similar in size to the Glock, but the thinner/tapered metal CZ magazines make the opening feel very large. Checkering felt just right. I would like to change the sights, but right now, that is all I would want to change.

This pistol may fit leather or imprecise Glock holsters, but is not good in fitted holsters. I was using an OWB Fricke Gideon, with the tension backed off, and it really screwed up my draw, as I was fighting too much resistance. To benchmark, I shot four stages of Gabe's test (2 to H twice, and 2 body/1 H twice) and was able to make turbo on all 4 runs, despite the bad draw. I remember the time on the 2B/1H, because it was the same for both runs -- 1.57, and the 2H was in the 1.65 range.

If this pistol turns out to be reliable, without surprises, I think it will be very successful. I would carry it over a 19, because of the trigger, how naturally it points for me, and the fast reloads.

With all that said, I shoot the PPQ better. I do hope CZ brings out a full size at SHOT.

[MSparks909]

I think GJM should start a YouTube gun review page...it's nice to get meaningful data other than the typical mouthbreathing BS that constitutes 95% of the gun community...especially on YouTube.

[STI]

Honestly there's probably a good chance that for the 99%, the absence of asshattery will reduce the popularity of the reviews ...

I'd be a customer, but I'm also a customer of his boring "old" AIWB holster design, and a G3 G26 with only factory parts

[GJM]

Second range session today, 250+/- rounds. If you don't want to read the whole post, here is the summary. Assuming my sample is representative, and this platform doesn't turn out to be like that crazy redhead that you thought so much of, but that turned out to be crazy, the P10-C is a very strong pistol, and competitive with the best of the strikers.

I spent some time perusing various forums last night, reading all the various issues people have reported, so I could short cycle my exploration. Today, I was focused on full magazines, the mag release, JHP ammo, and the trigger safety. My rounds today, consisted of 50 Gold Dot 124+P, about 100 Lawman 147 and 100 PMC 115 ball. No stoppages or issues throughout the session, putting me into the 500 rounds cumulatively since new without issue. I did remove the slide and look inside, but otherwise have not lubed, cleaned or done anything that could be called PM.

I started off shooting five rounds groups, offhand, at 25 yards. As I reported yesterday, I need an inch or so right deflection of the rear sight, but that is my eyes, and something I do on most all of my pistols. The pistol is more drive the dot, and I would like to bring POI up a few inches with replacement sights. This was Lawman 147, although it could have been the PMC or Gold Dot, as POI and group size seems very close from 115-147 grains with the ammo I have tried.

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I shot a five shot Bill drill at 35 yards, and put all the rounds into about 5 inches, centered in the A zone, in just under 4 seconds. Something I noticed about this pistol, is that I don't tend to drive shots left when I am pushing hard. Early on, I felt some tenderness where the trigger safety contacted my trigger finger, but didn't notice it after that in the session. Tonight, I do have a bit of tenderness just on my lower pad about a half inch up from the first joint. It is possible that was from the Gold Dot, but I am not sure.

Yesterday, I was struggling with my holster, and today I took a BT Glock OWB and way loosened the tension screws, and while that was not a field solution, it didn't hold me back on the range. Throughout the session I focused on the mag release, with magazines in various condition, from empty to fully loaded. It just is not an issue on my pistol. The mag release takes a firm push, but I like that. I shot the first half of Gabe's test, and that went fine at the turbo level, with the holster really helping. I then shot a Bill drill at 7, and that was 1.97 clean. Most of my closer in splits are .21-.23, which is pretty typical for me, as I am just not that fast a splitter.

At this point, I would like to change the sights, and have nothing else to complain about. I still like the PPQ better, as it is set up for an optic, or a five inch slide, which is easier for my eyes. I also prefer the trigger, slightly, on the PPQ, as I sense the work you are doing with the P10 to tension the striker. If someone is not in love with the Glock trigger or grip angle, so far this seems like a very viable pistol in that size class. Not sure how much more I will be shooting it soon, as it is a bit of a distraction to my main practice, so not sure on further reports.

[frozentundra]

How is the trigger reach compared to a Gen4 G19?

[GJM]

With the small backstrap on the P10C and none on the G19, trigger reach is 3mm shorter on the CZ.

Just occurred to me that I have not messed with other backstraps. It came with "small," any reason I should try medium or large?

[octagon]

How is the trigger reach compared to a Gen4 G19?

I didn't measure it like Tom but it feels noticeably shorter and my thumb overlaps my middle finger more on the grip below the trigger guard more on the P10C than on my Glock 19. I have shortish fingers so it is an area I consider. I too am using Glock 19 with no backstrap and P10c with small backstrap as it shipped.

[GJM]

The rail looks very Glock like, anyone know if it will take the APL C for the Glock?

Took a quick look at changing backstraps, sue wish they used a Glock sized pin, instead of something that small.

[ralph]

Just occurred to me that I have not messed with other backstraps. It came with "small," any reason I should try medium or large?

I would at least try the medium, I put it on mine and I like it better than the small, I have average size hands.You never know, the medium just might work better. Will only take a few minutes to find out, and if you don't like it you can always switch back.

[CDFIII]

The rail looks very Glock like, anyone know if it will take the APL C for the Glock?

Took a quick look at changing backstraps, sue wish they used a Glock sized pin, instead of something that small.

It will fit the APLC. I have one for mine coming on Monday.
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Not my picture but one I found.

[frozentundra]

I didn't measure it like Tom but it feels noticeably shorter and my thumb overlaps my middle finger more on the grip below the trigger guard more on the P10C than on my Glock 19. I have shortish fingers so it is an area I consider. I too am using Glock 19 with no backstrap and P10c with small backstrap as it shipped.

Thanks, I am actually more interested in subjective opinions in this circumstance. In my experience, the numbers don't convey trigger reach well. A glock 19 seems to carry way smaller than the physical dimensions would suggest, but to me, it grips significantly larger than numbers indicate. I like to get my shooting hand well behind the gun, which isn't conducive to good trigger finger placement for my hand size and shape.

There is no P10c to be had anywhere near me. I'm going to have to drive quite a few hundreds of miles just to lay hands on one. Don't want to waste the time if it isn't a significant difference in this regard. In my book, I would consider a M&P(with small backstrap) to be a significant difference in trigger reach from a Gen4 19, just as a point of reference. Don't want an M&P for other reasons though.

I guess I'm the Goldilocks of handguns. :D

[GJM]

I said I was done with the CZ for a while, but I put the medium backstrap on, it felt good, so I figured I better shoot 100'rounds to test it. I really like the medium blackstrap, as it may offer a little more surface area for support hand grip, and it puts my trigger finger in a good place. This pistol is a little bit like eating pistachios, hard to stop. Need to get a JM George from Tony.

[breakingtime91]

I said I was done with the CZ for a while, but I put the medium backstrap on, it felt good, so I figured I better shoot 100'rounds to test it. I really like the medium blackstrap, as it may offer a little more surface area for support hand grip, and it puts my trigger finger in a good place. This pistol is a little bit like eating pistachios, hard to stop. Need to get a JM George from Tony.

How much was yours? If they are cheap enough this winter I may grab one to have around

[GJM]

How much was yours? If they are cheap enough this winter I may grab one to have around

Black ones are in the $470 range, FDE a little more. I bet that falls as supply increases.

[Jared]

Black ones are in the $470 range, FDE a little more. I bet that falls as supply increases.

Damn, that's really really reasonable. I'll probably give one a try when supply catches up and dealers aren't maximizing profits one what few they can get (there's one at a local gun shop, but the nice lady that knows me and my shooting buddy told him that "I doubt Jared will want to pay what we want for this one." Ok, I can take a hint...

[GJM]

I shot some Underwood with the Lehigh penetrator bullet through the CZ and it functioned fine. Just like in the Langdon Beretta, it hit a few inches high and left of regular ammo.

[GJM]

Couldn't help it, shot the CZ more today. Reached 1,000 rounds, zero issues to date. Have the small backstrap back on.

The OEM sights are tight, and hit a little low for me -- need to change them.

[Mjolnir]

Took mine out yesterday for about 250 and today for 100.

I was using the large mainspring housing/back strap and I was shooting to the left. So, I spent about two hours thinking what could possibly be wrong.

I realized that when I squeezed my right/dominant hand the pistol moved to the left. As I was pressing the trigger I was increasing my grip.

So I replaced the large with the medium and problem solved. The pistol now shoots two inches to the left at 25 yards. So I can now drift the rear sight a hair to put her spot on.

Next item is to do a "twenty-five cent trigger job."


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[Mjolnir]

Here is the superb, informative video:

https://youtu.be/a4gazVSqJZo



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[MSparks909]

Couldn't help it, shot the CZ more today. Reached 1,000 rounds, zero issues to date. Have the small backstrap back on.

The OEM sights are tight, and hit a little low for me -- need to change them.

What do you think of it compared to a G19? Mainly shootability wise.

[GJM]

What do you think of it compared to a G19? Mainly shootability wise.

Similar accuracy. CZ points more naturally for me. CZ magazines insert easier, due to their taper. I have been hampered by lack of a proper holster for the CZ, so I haven't fully assessed how it draws compared to the 19. Like the CZ trigger out of the box better. Like the Glock mag release and slide stop better. Like how CZ lengthened the grip to cover rear of magazine avoiding pinching, giving you a full firing grip, and really adding little practical length. Like the trigger guard better on CZ as I can lay my trigger finger straight against the frame and come down on the trigger without hitting the tip of my finger, like I do on the Glock.

[LittleLebowski]

Although I rarely do any 25 yard shooting, I'm quite curious as to the accuracy potential of the P10C.

[Kyle Reese]

Although I rarely do any 25 yard shooting, I'm quite curious as to the accuracy potential of the P10C.I'm picking mine up on Thursday. Let's break it in at Elite.

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[GJM]

Although I rarely do any 25 yard shooting, I'm quite curious as to the accuracy potential of the P10C.

I covered this a few pages back. Shoots 115, 124 and 147 well with similar POI. I have been seeing 2-3 inches at 25, but that is offhand with the factory sights. I suspect it is a two inch pistol.

[LittleLebowski]

I'm picking mine up on Thursday. Let's break it in at Elite.


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[SteveB]

Although I rarely do any 25 yard shooting, I'm quite curious as to the accuracy potential of the P10C.

See post #259. 1 5/8" off a rest.

[octagon]

P10C range update number 2. I just got back from shooting 650 rounds through the P10 for a total of 1150 towards the 2000 round challenge. Actually 1149 as I had 1 round that I didn't shoot due to a defect and the only stoppage so far.

Here is the reason for the stoppage. Round got the lip crushed and didn't allow the slid to go into battery.

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This was the 8th round I fired today and I was thinking it may be an omen to a bad day but it was not.

I started on steel at 12 yards firing strings as fast as I could get hits or about .4-.5 splits. I kept this up for 300 rounds using Federal American Eagle 115 gr in 100 economy boxes. I switched to shoot my new Beretta APX(more on that in the APX thread) and give my hands a break. Somewhere around 300 rounds through the P10C and 100-150 through the APX I noticed a blister on my support hand thumb.

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I don't know if it is due to the P10C or APX but the APX shoot like a .22 and isn't that aggressive in grip texture but does have the dis-assembly lever on the left that has an edge but it isn't sharp to the touch so I don't know. I kept shooting with my baby soft hands and shot another 200 rounds through the P10C. Then I switched to a 25 yard paper target for some accuracy stuff.

I shot the Blazer Brass 115 gr and 124 grain(edit to my original range report as I said it was all 115 gr Blazer brass but it was likely mix of 115 and 124 gr Blazer Brass as my supply was mixed and I didn't realize it until today) I also shot 115 gr Hornady XTP and 135 +P defensive ammo. Last I shot the 115 gr American Eagle Federal stuff.

All groups were slightly high and to the right but consistent. I have a vision issue I have been trying to figure out how best to handle so I switch between using prescription glasses with 1.25 RX in upper lens of SSP glasses and no RX standard shooting glasses. I also suck at longer ranges and tight accuracy so take the group sizes with a huge grain of salt. My best and worst group with each below at 25 yards.

American Eagle 115 3 3/4" best 6 3/4" worst of 3 5 shot groups.
Blazer brass 115 2 1/2 best 5 1/4" worst
Blazer Brass 124 2 3/4 best 4 3/4 worst
Hornady XTP 115 gr HP 2 1/2" best and 4 3/4" worst
Hornady XTP 135gr +P 3" best 3 1/2" worst

I'll try again with my regular reading glasses but my best groups were without RX lens glasses so maybe that is my current best I can do.

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I went back to shooting steel at 10 yards for the rest of the rounds I had except just over 100 rounds of American Eagle. I then loaded up 10 rounds in each mag of the P10C, APX and my Gen 4 Glock 19 to shoot back to back on 10 yard steel. First up was 10 rounds from each as fast as I could get hits. Then again with second mag. I loaded again and did 5 double taps from each twice and lastly 5 rounds as fast as I could pull the trigger attempting to get hits. In comparison between the Glock 19 and P10C I found the P10 to bite more in the grip texture. This meant less comfort but also less movement of the gun and I didn't feel I had to grip it as hard as the Glock. My hand was also tender from the previous 500+ rounds shot today. Control was about equal between the 2 with the Glock shooting just as flat with less feel like it wanted to rise at the muzzle but the P10 seemed just as flat shooting but more control coming from the grip biting into the hand preventing muzzle rise than the Glock's backwards recoil into the hand. If that makes any sense.

I planned to do some FAST drills between the guns to compare but planned poorly as I had left my timer on and had a dead battery and no spare. so that will be for next range session. More on the APX in how it compared in the APX thread.

[octagon]

I ran across this in my recommended videos list on You Tube. For those interested or looking for lights,sights,red dots and guide rod options there are some options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CP7aHnD-98

I am plenty happy with mine out of the box except for maybe more cleaner or simpler sights.

[GJM]

Just shot 100 rounds in the rain, bringing me to 1,100 since new. This is what 115 PMC looks like at 50 yards. You need to hold top of the plate.

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[Kirk]

This is fantastic. Wow.


Just shot 100 rounds in the rain, bringing me to 1,100 since new. This is what 115 PMC looks like at 50 yards. You need to hold top of the plate.

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[MSparks909]

Just shot 100 rounds in the rain, bringing me to 1,100 since new. This is what 115 PMC looks like at 50 yards. You need to hold top of the plate.

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Holy trigger control Batman! :eek: That's what my 25Y groups look like on a *really* good day...

[GJM]

Comparing pistols, the P10-C is extremely reload friendly, in terms of having nice tapered magazines and a generous magwell.

[cheby]

I am really NOT interested in any striker fired pistol but because of this thread I may buy a P10... damn it

[cheby]

did anybody try to hit this pistol with the hammer yet?

[98z28]

did anybody try to hit this pistol with the hammer yet?
Enel, do you see what you've done?!

;)

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[Doc_Glock]

did anybody try to hit this pistol with the hammer yet?

I haven't taken one apart or even held one, but I hear it has a supported striker catch with partially tensioned striker similar to a Glock. In which case it is immune to mallets. Care to comment Tom_Jones?

[Mjolnir]

The P10C, while implemented differently, functions exactly like the Glock and the Glock "Safe Action"[emoji768] System.

"Gadget!"
"Gadget!"
"Gadget!"

🤞🏽


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[GJM]

I am really NOT interested in any striker fired pistol but because of this thread I may buy a P10... damn it

Where with the Glock, we have decades of experience, it is still quite early with the P10-C to know how it will turn out. Lots to like about the CZ, though, especially if you aren't thrilled with the Glock's grip angle, trigger and ejection.

If you are heavily invested in Glock, and shoot one as primary, probably safest to see how things develop with the P10-C. If you shoot something else as primary, but use a 19 for some EDC, might be worth taking a chance on the CZ.

[Trukinjp13]

Gadgeted p-10 sounds pretty sweet. I really like the fact they just tried to improve a proven design vs reinvent the wheel.


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[SilentSc0rch]

I just picked my P10 up last night and, luckily, had the chance to run some rounds through it. Specs below.

Price: $480 at my LGS
Ammo: 300 rounds of LAX factory 115 grain FMJs, 10 Hornady Critical Duty 135 grain JHPs
No stoppages.

Notes: the recoil impulse is near-identical to a G17. The sights track a bit faster than my PPQ. Unlike some have reported, the mag release and slide release are fairly easy to operate from both sides. The sights are decent, although I'm hoping for yellow HDs at some point soon. The pistol fits in my M3 Tactical appendix holster for G19, my G19/X300 Armordillo Keroman (which I'll be carrying this pistol in), and my RCS G19/X300 Phantom (if you man-handle it a little). The texture is quite sharp on the front strap and back strap, but the side is smooth enough that it doesn't cut into my skin when IWB. I plan on doing the 2,000 Round Challenge right out of the gate as it was pretty oily out of the box.

Fun fact: make sure to fully seat your X300, or it will do a triple-backflip off your pistol in the middle of firing a string.

TL;DR: I'm quite impressed with my first CZ.

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[RJ]

Just to say thanks for the continued informative reports on this new pistol.
GJM that is good shooting. octagon great info in your post.

The P10C seems to fit that G19 sweet spot, and address the couple concerns I had with a possible new "one to rule them all" CCW/USPSA pistol (grip angle and ejection).

I apologize if I missed it but is anyone here using this in Action Pistol shooting?

I'll be interested in how any long term tests go. This one is definitely on the research list for this fall.

[Greg]

I just picked my P10 up last night and, luckily, had the chance to run some rounds through it. Specs below.

Price: $480 at my LGS
Ammo: 300 rounds of LAX factory 115 grain FMJs, 10 Hornady Critical Duty 135 grain JHPs
No stoppages.

Notes: the recoil impulse is near-identical to a G17. The sights track a bit faster than my PPQ. Unlike some have reported, the mag release and slide release are fairly easy to operate from both sides. The sights are decent, although I'm hoping for yellow HDs at some point soon. The pistol fits in my M3 Tactical appendix holster for G19, my G19/X300 Armordillo Keroman (which I'll be carrying this pistol in), and my RCS G19/X300 Phantom (if you man-handle it a little). The texture is quite sharp on the front strap and back strap, but the side is smooth enough that it doesn't cut into my skin when IWB. I plan on doing the 2,000 Round Challenge right out of the gate as it was pretty oily out of the box.

Fun fact: make sure to fully seat your X300, or it will do a triple-backflip off your pistol in the middle of firing a string.

TL;DR: I'm quite impressed with my first CZ.

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Be sure to write to Ameriglo and Trijicon about your wishes for more sight options.

It didn't seem to do any good when I wrote to them about the P09/07 but maybe "striker mania" will prompt them to look into it.

We need more CZs documented in the 2000 round challenge, looking forward to your report.

[backtrail540]

I apologize if I missed it but is anyone here using this in Action Pistol shooting?



While searching other p10c videos i found this. He seems to be doing alright with his.


https://youtu.be/2OPzsmcorQk

[backtrail540]

Also, Dawson has some fiber sets up for the p10c on the site now.


https://dawsonprecision.com/new-dawson-precision-cz-p10-c-carry-fixed-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/

[psalms144.1]

I F'ING HATE ALL OF YOU. MUST. RESIST.

And just sent an e-mail to CZ's LE folks to find out what the wait list looks like...

[Mitch]

I F'ING HATE ALL OF YOU. MUST. RESIST.

And just sent an e-mail to CZ's LE folks to find out what the wait list looks like...

I'll make this easier for you. I like my CZ quite a bit, but if you have any 9 mm striker that works well this doesn't do anything different. It's a cool gun, but it's not earth shattering. Nobody here NEEDS one, but if you want one don't let me get in the way of your good time. It's cool, but it's not that different from other things on the market.


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[ranger]

Went to the outdoor range tonight. My shooting buddy and gun "pusher" let me shoot his CZ P10C. I shot it previously but he added the Dawson sight - black rear and red FO front. It shot well. I normally shoot fiber optic sights so I really like the sights. I did not fire lots of rounds through it but it my impression is that it will be a top contender for a "carry" pistol. It will be interesting to see if CZ ever offers a "G34" length version in the future.

[LittleLebowski]

"Gadget!"
"Gadget!"
"Gadget!"

🤞🏽


Clearly you've been reading my texts to Tom.

[Kyle Reese]

I F'ING HATE ALL OF YOU. MUST. RESIST.

And just sent an e-mail to CZ's LE folks to find out what the wait list looks like...

Do it- you won't be sorry. :)

[Trukinjp13]

I would love a set of the px4cc sights on this thing! They are one of my favorite sight setups.


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[Kyle Reese]

Doing a bit of dry practice with mine on a rainy afternoon, and grabbed my holster bin to check cross-compatibility with my array of AIWB Glock 17/19 holsters. What I found;

The P10C fit;

-JMCK "George"

-Mastermind Tactics AIWB

P10C did not fit;

-DSG AIWB holster with wing claw

-Keepers Concealment AIWB holster (the pistol went in, but was not retained sufficiently for me to carry it.

Now, this isn't a knock at all on any make/type/brand, since they are made for a different model of gun, and do a great job retaining / concealing my Glock 17's & 19's. Just my observation.....

[LittleLebowski]

Doing a bit of dry practice with mine on a rainy afternoon, and grabbed my holster bin to check cross-compatibility with my array of AIWB Glock 17/19 holsters. What I found;

The P10C fit;

-JMCK "George"

-Mastermind Tactics AIWB

P10C did not fit;

-DSG AIWB holster with wing claw

-Keepers Concealment AIWB holster (the pistol went in, but was not retained sufficiently for me to carry it.

Now, this isn't a knock at all on any make/type/brand, since they are made for a different model of gun, and do a great job retaining / concealing my Glock 17's & 19's. Just my observation.....

Text me about Elite, what times you're looking at going.

[GJM]

Doing a bit of dry practice with mine on a rainy afternoon, and grabbed my holster bin to check cross-compatibility with my array of AIWB Glock 17/19 holsters. What I found;

The P10C fit;

-JMCK "George"

-Mastermind Tactics AIWB

P10C did not fit;

-DSG AIWB holster with wing claw

-Keepers Concealment AIWB holster (the pistol went in, but was not retained sufficiently for me to carry it.

Now, this isn't a knock at all on any make/type/brand, since they are made for a different model of gun, and do a great job retaining / concealing my Glock 17's & 19's. Just my observation.....

I suspect many "regular" shooters will think the P10-C works well enough in Glock holsters, but "particular" shooters will feel the opposite.

[octagon]

Range report update to 2000 round challenge. I went to the range today which I usually don't do. I usually go weekdays and during the day. Today was such a nice day and I had nothing else going on so off I went. Unfortunately it was the same idea others had and was busy. I had new batteries in the timer which did no good with all the other shooters so I didn't get any timed FAST drills as I intended. I did them in comparison with my Gen 4 Glock 19 back to back several times. The reload was smoother and felt faster but I didn't get a clean run to tell exactly what time difference there was if any or if it just felt smoother and easier. Mostly it was in dropping the mag. The button seems easier to reach and the mag just jumps out even if the gun is not perpendicular to the ground. The slide release is stiffer still than the Glock but the auto forward also can help when it does it which is most of the time.

I do like the sights on the Glock better(Spaulding front with Trijicon rear) and I did get some rounds too far right on the P10 C which it has been doing and I need to adjust them which i haven't done yet. I like the high vis front and the plainer rear. I really would like a yellow/green high visibility front and plain black rear with sizes like Trijicon HD sights but square bottom of the rear sight notch.

I used a mix of Winchester white box 124gr and Blazer brass 124gr. 200 rounds each. No malfunctions,stoppages or problems. Ejection was still very good. No blister today but I shot less rounds and didn't shoot the APX so maybe it was the APX or maybe I just shot more.

I tried shooting the P10 with my support hand index finger on the front of the trigger guard. I never use this technique as I think it can cause pulling the gun sideways but tried it anyways. The front of the trigger guard is grippier than the Glock and it allows for a secure grip but is odd feeling and may have other issues.

2 things that became more apparent than previous sessions comparing the Glock and P10. I really noticed the slimness and nice shape of the P10 compared to the Glock's more slab sided and thick grip. I also noticed how nice the stock trigger is on the P10 is compared to the Glock with OP flat trigger and - connector. The P10 feels almost as light but shorter pull,reset and less over travel. I also like the shape and feel of the trigger face better than the OP flat face.

That is 1550 rounds through it and 450 to go to complete the 2000 round challenge. I am hoping to do it early this week as I have Greg Ellifritz's course on Sat and I would like to take a clean gun or at least be able to clean it if I run into any issues. The course has plenty of retention shooting positions so it may cause problems on its own.

[Kyle Reese]

I shot the P10C this morning, putting 400 rounds down the pipe.

Ammunition used;
-Sellier & Bellot 124 grain FMJ, manufactured by RUAG in Germany (150)
-Independence aluminum cased 115 grain FMJ (150)
-Magtech 115 grain FMJ (50)
-Federal Hydra-Shok JHP, 124 grain, standard pressure (50)

Here are my initial impressions of the pistol;

-Perceived recoil was almost on par with my older (2012 manufacture) Walther PPQ. In other words- flippy. I do think that judicious application of skateboard tape to the tang and side of the grip may ameliorate this issue, so stay tuned on that one. I also think that a recoil spring assembly analogous to the Gen 4 Glocks, HK USPs or Beretta APX would reduce muzzle flip.

-Trigger was very smooth, with no real "wall" or grit, but this did not really help improve my shooting. Groups were really no better than my Glock 19 Gen 4 MOS.

-Sights- I hated them, and will replace them ASAP. I'd like so see Ameriglo Defoors become available.

-The only stoppages that I encountered this morning with the CZ P10C were unwanted mag drops, caused by my firing hand actuating the ambi mag release on the right side of the pistol. This was my main point of contention against the pistol, and want this remedied immediately.

I'll be emailing CZ and inquiring about any pending accessories which would permit the end user to retrofit a traditional mag release on just one side of the gun. If not, I'll be parting with this pistol post haste.

I think that overall CZ has made a nice gun here, but I think that some key revisions will be necessary if it is to become a serious contender in a saturated polymer framed, striker fired handgun market.

Overall, C+

[RJ]

While searching other p10c videos i found this. He seems to be doing alright with his.


https://youtu.be/2OPzsmcorQk

Very nice. I enjoyed this video.

Pistol looks pretty good, but my guess is this shooter could probably do almost as well with a Hi Point.

I'm not familiar with the good USPSA shooters; who is this?

Separate P10C question: are any of y'all here lefties? Any reports of issues shooting the P10C ambi?

Secondary question: any thoughts on how it shoots one handed, either weak hand or strong hand?

[octagon]

Very nice. I enjoyed this video.

Pistol looks pretty good, but my guess is this shooter could probably do almost as well with a Hi Point.

I'm not familiar with the good USPSA shooters; who is this?

Separate P10C question: are any of y'all here lefties? Any reports of issues shooting the P10C ambi?

Secondary question: any thoughts on how it shoots one handed, either weak hand or strong hand?

Not a lefty but right handed and cross eye dominant. I shot the P10 SHO and WHO for several magazines each. The sharp grip texture made each plenty easy and secure which I felt was better than even my Gen 4 Glock 19 and previous gen Glocks. The smaller circumference, grip shape and/or trigger reach compared with my usual Glock also feels good and allows for comfortable and accurate shooting as good or better than I do with the Glock but I did not shoot them back to back one handed. Some have commented on the P10 being a flat shooter. I haven't really noticed this comparing it with Glock 19 and same ammo. It doesn't recoil any more for sure but I haven't noticed it recoiling any less or at least any less muzzle rise. Maybe slightly less rearward recoil impulse but pretty close to each other. The lighter,shorter better trigger on the P10 also makes shooting it one handed easier.

I used the mag button and slide release while shooting WHO just as I would SHO but on the opposite side. They were just a touch stiffer as they get a lot less use from me being right handed but worked well for reach and were easy enough to use. I do have to adjust my grip just slightly still for reloads to hit the mag button but less than the Gen 4 Glock 19 and much less than the earlier Glocks.

[Trukinjp13]

I shot the P10C this morning, putting 400 rounds down the pipe.

Ammunition used;
-Sellier & Bellot 124 grain FMJ, manufactured by RUAG in Germany (150)
-Independence aluminum cased 115 grain FMJ (150)
-Magtech 115 grain FMJ (50)
-Federal Hydra-Shok JHP, 124 grain, standard pressure (50)

Here are my initial impressions of the pistol;

-Perceived recoil was almost on par with my older (2012 manufacture) Walther PPQ. In other words- flippy. I do think that judicious application of skateboard tape to the tang and side of the grip may ameliorate this issue, so stay tuned on that one. I also think that a recoil spring assembly analogous to the Gen 4 Glocks, HK USPs or Beretta APX would reduce muzzle flip.

-Trigger was very smooth, with no real "wall" or grit, but this did not really help improve my shooting. Groups were really no better than my Glock 19 Gen 4 MOS.

-Sights- I hated them, and will replace them ASAP. I'd like so see Ameriglo Defoors become available.

-The only stoppages that I encountered this morning with the CZ P10C were unwanted mag drops, caused by my firing hand actuating the ambi mag release on the right side of the pistol. This was my main point of contention against the pistol, and want this remedied immediately.

I'll be emailing CZ and inquiring about any pending accessories which would permit the end user to retrofit a traditional mag release on just one side of the gun. If not, I'll be parting with this pistol post haste.

I think that overall CZ has made a nice gun here, but I think that some key revisions will be necessary if it is to become a serious contender in a saturated polymer framed, striker fired handgun market.

Overall, C+

First time i have heard of someone perceiving it flippy like that. What is your take on the g19 vs the p-10c recoil wise? The mag release happened with a couple guys I know on my old fns. Be interesting if they could do a reversible one. Also worst grade beside Vickers take also lol.

Perfect example of why having so many options is great.


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[Mitch]

First time i have heard of someone perceiving it flippy like that. What is your take on the g19 vs the p-10c recoil wise? The mag release happened with a couple guys I know on my old fns. Be interesting if they could do a reversible one. Also worst grade beside Vickers take also lol.

Perfect example of why having so many options is great.


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I think the P10c recoils pretty much like a gen 3 Glock 19, and a little more than a gen 4. Kind of splitting hairs though, none are a problem.


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[GJM]

It is amazing how body specific holsters and pistols are. I spent five minutes trying to eject the magazine out of my P10-C, using my trigger finger, and just couldn't. My wife and I often have very different opinions of the ergonomics of the same pistol.

As to shooting flat, soft, whatever, I basically disregard and just go by splits. Subjectively, it felt snappier than the G4 G19, but the timer saw no issue. Fred, did you put that puppy on the timer?

[Trukinjp13]

TYR was probably limp wristing it.

I'm kidding, of course. I'm not saying this is a picture of TYR, but I'm also not saying it's not.

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[busdriver]

-The only stoppages that I encountered this morning with the CZ P10C were unwanted mag drops, caused by my firing hand actuating the ambi mag release on the right side of the pistol. This was my main point of contention against the pistol, and want this remedied immediately.


I ran into this on an XDM I briefly shot. It was actually the tip of my index finger on my support hand. I ended up cutting the release button down to get it out of the way.

[Mjolnir]

First time i have heard of someone perceiving it flippy like that. What is your take on the g19 vs the p-10c recoil wise? The mag release happened with a couple guys I know on my old fns. Be interesting if they could do a reversible one. Also worst grade beside Vickers take also lol.

Perfect example of why having so many options is great.


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I noticed it immediately and have stated so. Its snappier than the G19 and VP9.

Please note that I did not say "muzzle flip" as it has less than either VP9 (soft recoiling) and the G19 (my benchmark).

One has x amount of energy to dissipate and the components are:

(1) Torque
(2) Rearward Push
(3) Muzzle Flip
(4) Forward Push (when slide returns to battery)

I find that (1) is only noticeable shooting small, lightweight pistols weak hand only - though I'm aware of it if my hands are sweaty using both hands.

Stock/frame geometry will be a factor, as will slide mass, recoil spring constant and pistol timing. And overall mass of the pistol, obviously.

I can "almost sleep" (over exaggeration for effect) with a VP9, less so with a G19 and even less so with the P10C. But they are all controllable 9mm service-sized pistols.


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[Mjolnir]

It is amazing how body specific holsters and pistols are. I spent five minutes trying to eject the magazine out of my P10-C, using my trigger finger, and just couldn't. My wife and I often have very different opinions of the ergonomics of the same pistol.

As to shooting flat, soft, whatever, I basically disregard and just go by splits. Subjectively, it felt snappier than the G4 G19, but the timer saw no issue. Fred, did you put that puppy on the timer?

Yes, it's relatively snappy for a 9mm pistol its size.


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[Caesar]

I bought a P10c this week. I cleaned it with degreaser, lubed it with FP-10, and dry fired most of yesterday. Slide lock/release was stiff but I could release the slide with my support thumb from the right side (I'm a lefty) without a lot of effort. I use my trigger finger to hit the mag release on my Glocks and 1911's but couldn't make it work on the P10 with a full mag in the gun. It was too stiff. If I indexed it just right, I could depress the release with my thumb but it was difficult. Other than these issues and the front and back strap texture being a little aggressive, I like how the gun feels.

I took it to the range today and fired 280 rounds. The gun didn't malfunction, felt recoil didn't seem noticeably different than my g19, and my splits were similar to my Glocks when shooting Bill Drills. I'll need more time with it to draw any conclusions but I don't think I'll be selling my Glocks anytime soon.

For giggles, I fired 10 rounds without a magazine inserted. One ejected normally, four stovepiped, and five dropped to the ground through the mag well. I guess CZ did make a Glock :). The slide lock/ release did improve and is now easier to use. The mag release, not so much.

[RJ]

For giggles, I fired 10 rounds without a magazine inserted. One ejected normally, four stovepiped, and five dropped to the ground through the mag well. I guess CZ did make a Glock :). The slide lock/ release did improve and is now easier to use. The mag release, not so much.

Glad you mentioned that. Up thread I asked about the extractor design, but it didn't occur to me to ask about the one round test.

Thanks.

[LittleLebowski]

I do not know how to take that then....like it must be a hand cannon if that dude limp wrists it. Or, I should second guess nothing cause that dude is practically a mountain


TYR is on the left.


https://youtu.be/Si_t7c70Ivs

[Kyle Reese]

I'll be adding skateboard tape to the grip today and hitting Elite again later this week. Anyone in NOVA who wants to show up and put some rounds thru it will be more than welcome to. I really, really want to like this pistol.

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[LittleLebowski]

I'll be adding skateboard tape to the grip today and hitting Elite again later this week. Anyone in NOVA who wants to show up and put some rounds thru it will be more than welcome to. I really, really want to like this pistol.


Let me know, my schedule is open starting Thursday, maybe before that as well.

[pew_pew]

I dry fired a P10c yesterday and honestly it felt like a glock with a minus connector to me. It was a pretty creep break but that reset is awesome. Love the ergos and overall size. Texture is rough. I think I'm going to go back and buy one. I was deciding between that and a PPS M2 for $300 after rebate and couldn't pick what to get next.

[octagon]

I completed the 2000 Round challenge with the P10 C today. See here for details.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?9-2-000-Round-Challenge/page32 post #318 for future reference.

I started off today's session with FAST drills using RX glasses, then regular shooting glasses then without cover garment, then with hand on gun in holster and finally without the reload just to see how each variable effected the time and any accuracy issues. To generalize I seem to shoot cleanly in the first few attempts of each method or after changing to fresh targets then get slower or start having misses. Weird. I have no idea why other then losing confidence.

Comparing times of FAST done according to regular method and the same with my Gen 4 Glock 19 with the same ammo the times are very close in most instances. I had 3 times that were faster than my fastest with Glock 19's fastest time but only by .11 seconds. Reload times are almost .10 faster in general and seem easier and smoother while being more consistent. However my second shot on the head card is almost always slower than with my G19. I'm thinking it may be sights but it could be recoil management or trigger differences. My splits are very close to what I do with the G19 on the FAST drill but the hits are tighter on both the head card and body circle.

I then moved over to shooting steel at 25 yards and then at 50 yards. 25 yards was fairly easy and the only time I missed was when I was getting tired at the end of a 15 or 10 round string. I also had some sweat get in my dominant eye and start burning. I should have stopped but tried to push through but had a couple misses. Even shooting WHO and SHO standing unsupported I got almost every hit. I am not a great distance shooter so I am happy with the performance.

At 50 yards I had pretty good success standing but had 50% misses when shooting from the bench. Standing unsupported I was hitting 80% or so. SHO and WHO were a little less but mostly hits with misses coming at the end of the shot string. I guess I am getting tired and need physical conditioning. I had to aim for the bottom of the plate as the gun shoots a little high. The front sight is the same width as the plate and I think I a little narrower front sight might help make hits easier.

Overall I am really happy with the gun and shooting. No stoppages or issues that give me concern. The grip texture is aggressive but I don't think I will change it unless it affects concealed carry. The texture on the side of the frame in front of the take down lever does make the side of my support hand thumb tender so it likely was the cause of the blister I had in a previous shooting session. Changing my thumb position or pressure a little may be what is needed. I also have a little callous on my trigger finger where the trigger safety sticks out slightly from being flush with the trigger face. Not a big deal but it would be nice if it fit flush and may make the trigger feel even better than it does now.

[octagon]

I wasn't sure where to post this to fit best so I will post it here and in the CZ P10C thread.

After completing the 2000 round challenge with the CZ P10 C yesterday and continuing the same with the Beretta APX I wondered how much shorter the reach to the trigger the APX has compared to my Gen 4 Glock 19 so I broke out digital calipers and measured them. Surprise it doesn't have a shorter reach from backstrap to trigger face. At least straight line. It was such a surprise since the APX feels so much smaller in grip and reach to trigger I decided to measure several points on the APX, Gen 4 Glock 19 (with stock grooved face trigger) and CZ P10C.

Using digital calipers for measurements for straight line and to measure the string I used to measure circumferences. Note for reference that the measurements may vary for replication but should be consistent across guns. The APX measurements also closely matched the numbers posted by Stimpee in post #98 in the APX thread here https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....tta-APX/page10
.

Here are the measurements.(Bolded is shortest measurement for each).

Backstrap to face of trigger without trigger safety depressed at shortest distance.

G19 2.76, P10 2.69, APX 2.83.

Same as above but with trigger safety depressed.

G19 2.73, P10 2.67, APX 2.72.

Same as above but pressing the trigger to the wall or all slack removed.

G19 2.62, P10 2.49, APX 2.65.

Same as above but fully pressed trigger beyond sear release.

G19 2.52, P10 2.41, APX 2.58.

Notice that the P10C has the shortest distance for every category with the Glock a very close second and the APX last in every category except one where it is .01 less than the Glock and that could be a measuring error on my part or basically they are identical on that. I couldn't get past this as the APX just feels so slim and easy to reach the trigger and controls for me. So I measured the grip and the circumference of the grip and reach to trigger. Here is where things got interesting for me.

Measurements below with first number being straight line distance and second number being circumference distance around the same location.

Distance from backstrap under trigger guard where middle finger wraps grip at smallest point.

G19 2.0/5.74", P10 1.82/5.4, APX 1.77/5.25.

Distance at bottom of grip where pinky wraps around grip (NOT widest point or ledge/lip on Glock).

G19 2.15/6.0, P10 2.12/5.75, APX 2.05/5.6.


Grip width/circumference at point where thumb and index finger grasp frame or narrowest point. The circumference is around the trigger with trigger safety pressed but not trigger or basically trigger reach around circumference.

G19 1.15/6.75, P10 1.14/6.55, APX 1.07/6.59.

Grip width at widest point or in the middle where middle and ring finger would wrap around the grip. This is the widest point on P10 and APX but not the widest point on the Glock.

G19 1.18/5.65, P10 1.22/5.66, APX 1.22/5.32.

Width and circumference at lowest point on grip or where pinky grasps the gun or the smallest diameter or shortest distance width wise.

G19 1.14/5.77, P10 1.12/5.55, APX 1.08/5.57.

Looking at the above measurements it becomes clear why the APX feels so small. It is. It has the shortest distance of the three guns in every area except around the trigger and bottom of grip circumferences where the P10 was shorter by .04 and .02 respectively. These number may not mean much or anything to shooters with medium to larger hands and normal sized fingers in length. However for smaller statured shooters and those with shorter fingers(read stubby) like me, the reach to the trigger and controls makes comfort,access and feel much better. Although early in comparison the smaller grip seems to make it easier to grip with less strength,press the mag button and complete reloads for me compared to the Glock 19/23 I have used for 25+ years.

[GJM]

Previously, I have been satisfied with the factory grip texture, but that changed after getting my JM George in the mail. The factory texture works fine OWB, but does not allow my hand to slide with an appendix draw. This is similar to what I experience with the Talon grip on my Langdon PX4C, and why I removed the back part of the Talon grip.

So I took an abrasive pad to the checkering points on the back and front strap, and dulled them enough that my hand can slide as part of the presentation.

[Lon]

I played with another one at my brother in laws shop yesterday. I really liked it. Mag released no problem. Slide stop was harder than my CZ or Sig but nothing I'd hold against the pistol. I'm glad I don't know anyone that has one for me to shoot. That's probably brake my will power and I'd end up buying it. Also played with an APX. Wasn't real impressed except I did like the grip.

[octagon]

I wasn't sure where to post this to fit best so I will post it here and in the CZ P10C thread.

After completing the 2000 round challenge with the CZ P10 C yesterday and continuing the same with the Beretta APX I wondered how much shorter the reach to the trigger the APX has compared to my Gen 4 Glock 19 so I broke out digital calipers and measured them. Surprise it doesn't have a shorter reach from backstrap to trigger face. At least straight line. It was such a surprise since the APX feels so much smaller in grip and reach to trigger I decided to measure several points on the APX, Gen 4 Glock 19 (with stock grooved face trigger) and CZ P10C.

Using digital calipers for measurements for straight line and to measure the string I used to measure circumferences. Note for reference that the measurements may vary for replication but should be consistent across guns. The APX measurements also closely matched the numbers posted by Stimpee in post #98 in the APX thread here https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....tta-APX/page10
.

Here are the measurements.(Bolded is shortest measurement for each).

Backstrap to face of trigger without trigger safety depressed at shortest distance.

G19 2.76, P10 2.69, APX 2.83.

Same as above but with trigger safety depressed.

G19 2.73, P10 2.67, APX 2.72.

Same as above but pressing the trigger to the wall or all slack removed.

G19 2.62, P10 2.49, APX 2.65.

Same as above but fully pressed trigger beyond sear release.

G19 2.52, P10 2.41, APX 2.58.

Notice that the P10C has the shortest distance for every category with the Glock a very close second and the APX last in every category except one where it is .01 less than the Glock and that could be a measuring error on my part or basically they are identical on that. I couldn't get past this as the APX just feels so slim and easy to reach the trigger and controls for me. So I measured the grip and the circumference of the grip and reach to trigger. Here is where things got interesting for me.

Measurements below with first number being straight line distance and second number being circumference distance around the same location.

Distance from backstrap under trigger guard where middle finger wraps grip at smallest point.

G19 2.0/5.74", P10 1.82/5.4, APX 1.77/5.25.

Distance at bottom of grip where pinky wraps around grip (NOT widest point or ledge/lip on Glock).

G19 2.15/6.0, P10 2.12/5.75, APX 2.05/5.6.


Grip width/circumference at point where thumb and index finger grasp frame or narrowest point. The circumference is around the trigger with trigger safety pressed but not trigger or basically trigger reach around circumference.

G19 1.15/6.75, P10 1.14/6.55, APX 1.07/6.59.

Grip width at widest point or in the middle where middle and ring finger would wrap around the grip. This is the widest point on P10 and APX but not the widest point on the Glock.

G19 1.18/5.65, P10 1.22/5.66, APX 1.22/5.32.

Width and circumference at lowest point on grip or where pinky grasps the gun or the smallest diameter or shortest distance width wise.

G19 1.14/5.77, P10 1.12/5.55, APX 1.08/5.57.

Looking at the above measurements it becomes clear why the APX feels so small. It is. It has the shortest distance of the three guns in every area except around the trigger and bottom of grip circumferences where the P10 was shorter by .04 and .02 respectively. These number may not mean much or anything to shooters with medium to larger hands and normal sized fingers in length. However for smaller statured shooters and those with shorter fingers(read stubby) like me, the reach to the trigger and controls makes comfort,access and feel much better. Although early in comparison the smaller grip seems to make it easier to grip with less strength,press the mag button and complete reloads for me compared to the Glock 19/23 I have used for 25+ years.

Sorry I should have clarified that the P10 C has the small backstrap, the APX has the medium backstrap and the Glock 19 had no backstrap on it. I can't edit the original post as too long has passed since posting . Most of the measurements are not affected as they are above the point where the backstrap is on each gun but the lower measurements will be affected. Sorry for the omission.

[Lon]

I stopped in at one of our local shop/ranges today on a whim. Was gonna rent and test fire a P10c, which probably would have meant me walking out the door with one and getting in trouble with the wife. Fortunately (or not depending on how you look at it) they won't rent guns to people who are alone and who have never been a customer before. I wondered about that as I was walking in. They were very apologetic when they told me and I told them I get it, suicides are messy, no apology necessary.

The going rate for a P10c seems to be $499ish around here.

I also handled a FN509. I liked that better than the APX.

[TCFD273]

Picked up a P10c today. Only had time for 150 rounds. So far so good.
I have to agree with GJM, basically it's an upgraded G19. In the next few weeks I'll put it through its paces and see if it can do the unthinkable....replace my G19 as my EDC. Haha


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[HCM]

I played with another one at my brother in laws shop yesterday. I really liked it. Mag released no problem. Slide stop was harder than my CZ or Sig but nothing I'd hold against the pistol. I'm glad I don't know anyone that has one for me to shoot. That's probably brake my will power and I'd end up buying it. Also played with an APX. Wasn't real impressed except I did like the grip.

The APX didn't impress me until I actually shot one.

[ralph]

Picked up a P10c today. Only had time for 150 rounds. So far so good.
I have to agree with GJM, basically it's an upgraded G19. In the next few weeks I'll put it through its paces and see if it can do the unthinkable....replace my G19 as my EDC. Haha


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I already did that... My former edc, a g19, is resting comfortably in the safe..

[octagon]

The APX didn't impress me until I actually shot one.

Me either. I did instantly notice the smallness of grip/trigger reach feel but initially was, meh, and moved onto to checking out other stuff at the LGS. After shooting it I understood how a few comments on how flat it shoots and feeling like a .22 really weren't crazy exaggerations.

It will take quite a bit to get me to change from over 25 years of carrying my Glock 23 daily but the P10 isn't doing anything to slow the momentum towards that possibility.

[JV_]

That's Todd. :(

Correct. And I'm on the right.

[SteveB]

I like my P-10 even better as time goes on. It passed the 2K round test with no malfunctions. Ammo so far has been PMC 115 ball, Aguila 124 ball, Berry's 135 plated flat point ball, American Eagle 147 flat point ball and Federal 147 HST. The stiffness is gone from the slide stop and mag release. The factory trigger started out great and is now outstanding. I bet we don't see an APEX trigger for this gun; what would be the point? I have sights coming from CZ Custom. A word about the grip texture: I would much rather get a pistol with too sharp texture than too smooth. No stippling or stick-on solutions needed, just very little work with fine sandpaper. My goal was to approximate the feel of the side panels of the grip, which required very little time, just smoothing off the points. Talked about this with another PF'er who said that the sharp texture actually interfered with acquiring a full grip on drawing the pistol. I did shoot a match with this pistol after smoothing off the spikes a bit, and am very pleased with this minimal mod.

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[LittleLebowski]

TYR and I hammered on his P10C last night (#ManDate (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ManDate)). We both observed the following:


It does not seem to be more accurate than a Gen4 Glock 9mm
The grip texture didn't bother either of us
#NeedsSCD (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=NeedsSCD)
His issue of the mag popping out randomly happened to me twice
Very reliable, no issues there at all
Definitely more recoil than a Glock, but not bad, not like the PPQ which to me felt like shooting a .40
My pet 147gr cast & coated reloads are ridiculously accurate in both Glocks and the CZ P10C
All in all, a very nice pistol, but not a compelling upgrade from a Glock nor a "must purchase"

[LittleLebowski]

Pet 147gr load, by request:

1.13 COAL. 147gr Leatherhead or SNS cast and coated bullet, 3.4gr of Titegroup, light crimp from Lee FCD. Work your way up to this load, know your gun, and so on.

[GJM]

TYR and I hammered on his P10C last night (#ManDate (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ManDate)). We both observed the following:


It does not seem to be more accurate than a Gen4 Glock 9mm
The grip texture didn't bother either of us
#NeedsSCD (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=NeedsSCD)
His issue of the mag popping out randomly happened to me twice
Very reliable, no issues there at all
Definitely more recoil than a Glock, but not bad, not like the PPQ which to me felt like shooting a .40
My pet 147gr cast & coated reloads are ridiculously accurate in both Glocks and the CZ P10C
All in all, a very nice pistol, but not a compelling upgrade from a Glock nor a "must purchase"


Wonder if this one has a problem, and needs a trip back to CZ to solve the mag dropping issue?

[JBP55]

TYR and I hammered on his P10C last night (#ManDate (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ManDate)). We both observed the following:


It does not seem to be more accurate than a Gen4 Glock 9mm
The grip texture didn't bother either of us
#NeedsSCD (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=NeedsSCD)
His issue of the mag popping out randomly happened to me twice
Very reliable, no issues there at all
Definitely more recoil than a Glock, but not bad, not like the PPQ which to me felt like shooting a .40
My pet 147gr cast & coated reloads are ridiculously accurate in both Glocks and the CZ P10C
All in all, a very nice pistol, but not a compelling upgrade from a Glock nor a "must purchase"



I Would Not consider a pistol reliable if the magazines "Pop Out" on their own.

[Kyle Reese]

Wonder if this one has a problem, and needs a trip back to CZ to solve the mag dropping issue?

To me, the pistol just isn't that interesting. I'm very tempted to put it up for sale, or transfer it to a relative for Christmas (via FFL, of course).

[Mjolnir]

To me, the pistol just isn't that interesting. I'm very tempted to put it up for sale, or transfer it to a relative for Christmas (via FFL, of course).

What's not to like?

It's a firearm! [emoji38]

Seriously though, I would send it back to CZ prior to unleashing it. Make them address the magazine release under recoil concern.


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[octagon]

I just got back from the Close Range Gunfighting course taught by Greg Ellifritz. Used the P10C and between me and my partner who wanted to check out the gun we shot almost 300 rounds (290). No malfunctions even though the course was 90% retention shooting and the gun was not cleaned since new after completing the 2000 round challenge. I will now do a thorough cleaning of the gun and mags. I also got a 17 round (extended baseplate) factory CZ mag yesterday which ran flawlessly for 1/3 of the rounds shot. CZ is out of 15 rounders as I wanted. More details in the AAR on the course but I am very happy with how it has performed in less than ideal conditions.

[LittleLebowski]

Wonder if this one has a problem, and needs a trip back to CZ to solve the mag dropping issue?

It's our lack of training and limp wristing, duh :D

[willie]

CZ mag releases protrude prominently. The problem may be caused by the holster partially moving the release inward and thus reducing its function. Eventually the magazine drops. This happened to me once with a Beretta and then with a 1911. In my case, both holsters were poorly designed custom holsters. If the holster is not part of the malfunction equation, you might mention to CZ that the problem is not related to holsters. The 1911 GI holster has a "raised section" to move that part of the pistol away from the magazine release.

[Trukinjp13]

Finally got to shoot mine. Life had been hectic this past month. My girl tore her acl, had to get the knee operated on. But the vet that we had do it is really good.

Anyways. On to the pistol.
Ran 200 rounds yesterday.

50 rounds 124grn blazer brass
100 rounds federal 115 grn
50 rounds federal aluminum 115

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170806/2ac4388f418760e6abcd9b03103f71a1.jpg

This was 100 rounds 115grn brass. 7 yards.

Today I shot 150 more.
100 rnds wolf wpa 115 grn
50 rnds federal 115 grn brass.
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I really like the factory texturing. Did not seem to bother me at all. Both days I was sweating pretty good. Pistol stayed put during strings. The ambi controls all worked from the get go. But smoothed out by the end. I shot dominant and non dominant handed. Ran controls from each side. Prefer this ambi setup to my fns. Accuracy was very very good. Sights suck, definitely holding it back for me. She is peppy in recoil but shoots very flat. The px4cc is softer shooting for sure. But the muzzle stayed down on the p-10c. Trigger was very good out of the box. Little grit and that seemed to just get smoother. The reset is amazing. Really wish my px4cc had a reset like this. I can shoot this gun very fast and stay accurate. I shoot the px4cc better but also have to focus more on my fundamentals. The p-10c is just easy. Really liked to run fast. I am extremely pleased with this. Out of all the strikers I have owned and shot this is the top for me. (G19 gen 4,fns,xd,m&p,vp9,p320c). I can see why a dedicated glocker might not find this better enough. But for me, it is a lot better then my glock was. Trigger,ergo,controls,accuracy,reliability all better out of the box.

Like everything else this might not be for everyone. But for me top of the pile for strikers. I am looking forward to sending more rounds downrange. Also did I say the sights suck?


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[Jared]

Finally got to shoot mine. Life had been hectic this past month. My girl tore her acl, had to get the knee operated on. But the vet that we had do it is really good.

Anyways. On to the pistol.
Ran 200 rounds yesterday.

50 rounds 124grn blazer brass
100 rounds federal 115 grn
50 rounds federal aluminum 115

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170806/2ac4388f418760e6abcd9b03103f71a1.jpg

This was 100 rounds 115grn brass. 7 yards.

Today I shot 150 more.
100 rnds wolf wpa 115 grn
50 rnds federal 115 grn brass.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170806/db2a9fb7b61a57d975d1d583a8fadcd0.jpg

I really like the factory texturing. Did not seem to bother me at all. Both days I was sweating pretty good. Pistol stayed put during strings. The ambi controls all worked from the get go. But smoothed out by the end. I shot dominant and non dominant handed. Ran controls from each side. Prefer this ambi setup to my fns. Accuracy was very very good. Sights suck, definitely holding it back for me. She is peppy in recoil but shoots very flat. The px4cc is softer shooting for sure. But the muzzle stayed down on the p-10c. Trigger was very good out of the box. Little grit and that seemed to just get smoother. The reset is amazing. Really wish my px4cc had a reset like this. I can shoot this gun very fast and stay accurate. I shoot the px4cc better but also have to focus more on my fundamentals. The p-10c is just easy. Really liked to run fast. I am extremely pleased with this. Out of all the strikers I have owned and shot this is the top for me. (G19 gen 4,fns,xd,m&p,vp9,p320c). I can see why a dedicated glocker might not find this better enough. But for me, it is a lot better then my glock was. Trigger,ergo,controls,accuracy,reliability all better out of the box.

Like everything else this might not be for everyone. But for me top of the pile for strikers. I am looking forward to sending more rounds downrange. Also did I say the sights suck?


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I'd look into Dawson for sights, they've got a set for the P10C now. I'm anxiously awaiting supply catching up with demand on this thing, that way I'll find one more easily, and maybe lightly used locally. It'll probably be my first CZ

[Jared]

Dupe, double tap

[Trukinjp13]

I'd look into Dawson for sights, they've got a set for the P10C now. I'm anxiously awaiting supply catching up with demand on this thing, that way I'll find one more easily, and maybe lightly used locally. It'll probably be my first CZ

Supposedly cz custom and cgw are releasing dedicated p-10c sights, so I am waiting on that. Should be within the next couple weeks. The dawsons read as .125 front and rear. Also have a ramped rear sight. I am amazed at how well inside like 15 yards it shoots with these sights. I found mine sitting in my local lgs. They had just gotten it in after waiting for awhile. I had a p07 and regret letting it go. So at least I had a idea of the cz potential. Good luck!


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[Jared]

Supposedly cz custom and cgw are releasing dedicated p-10c sights, so I am waiting on that. Should be within the next couple weeks. The dawsons read as .125 front and rear. Also have a ramped rear sight. I am amazed at how well inside like 15 yards it shoots with these sights. I found mine sitting in my local lgs. They had just gotten it in after waiting for awhile. I had a p07 and regret letting it go. So at least I had a idea of the cz potential. Good luck!


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True story, a friend was in a LGS where they know me and asked if they had one because I was looking. Well, they had one, but the sales clerk said "I doubt he's gonna want to spring for this one." I pretty much took that as they weren't going to have their normal great price on it. So I'll just be patient. They already got me out into the APX rabbit hole anyway. Eventually one of the ten or so they already sold will come back with 50 rounds through it and I'll snap it up. Happens pretty regularly around these parts.

[TCFD273]

I ran 400 rounds through my recently acquired P10c. I shot it alongside my "closest to stock" Glock I own. A Gen 4 G19 with a rocket connector, ameriglo sights, undercut trigger guard and a grip force adapter. The biggest difference I noticed is my accuracy with the P10c. Running dot torture or the "dots" drill at 5 & 7yds, I was able to generally make one big ragged hole with the CZ. I'll admit it's minute, but it's noticeable to me.

As a long time Glock shooter, I'm a bit befuddled at people stating it's not that big of a difference.

The magazines jump out of the pistol, the slide locks back every time on empty (I have to be VERY cognizant of my grip with Glocks to get them to lock back), the trigger is far better than a stock Glock, the grip angle (for me) is far superior (I'm a 1911 whore at heart), no need to undercut, the stippling is better. I run my slides with my support hand on the front. So the FCS are a big plus.

I have Glocks that are "better" and are more suited to me and my shooting style....but I have $800+ in them.

So far, all I need on the CZ is a different set of sights.


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[Trukinjp13]

I ran 400 rounds through my recently acquired P10c. I shot it alongside my "closest to stock" Glock I own. A Gen 4 G19 with a rocket connector, ameriglo sights, undercut trigger guard and a grip force adapter. The biggest difference I noticed is my accuracy with the P10c. Running dot torture or the "dots" drill at 5 & 7yds, I was able to generally make one big ragged hole with the CZ. I'll admit it's minute, but it's noticeable to me.

As a long time Glock shooter, I'm a bit befuddled at people stating it's not that big of a difference.

The magazines jump out of the pistol, the slide locks back every time on empty (I have to be VERY cognizant of my grip with Glocks to get them to lock back), the trigger is far better than a stock Glock, the grip angle (for me) is far superior (I'm a 1911 whore at heart), no need to undercut, the stippling is better. I run my slides with my support hand on the front. So the FCS are a big plus.

I have Glocks that are "better" and are more suited to me and my shooting style....but I have $800+ in them.

So far, all I need on the CZ is a different set of sights.


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I forgot to mention reloads! Stupid fast. Out and in is smooth as butta. I agree man, step up from Glock for sure. Cz did not reinvent the wheel. But they sure did improve every aspect of it


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[GJM]

Supposedly cz custom and cgw are releasing dedicated p-10c sights, so I am waiting on that. Should be within the next couple weeks. The dawsons read as .125 front and rear. Also have a ramped rear sight. I am amazed at how well inside like 15 yards it shoots with these sights. I found mine sitting in my local lgs. They had just gotten it in after waiting for awhile. I had a p07 and regret letting it go. So at least I had a idea of the cz potential. Good luck!


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Bet a PF dollar that is a typo from Dawson, and the front is .100 or .110.

[Trukinjp13]

Bet a PF dollar that is a typo from Dawson, and the front is .100 or .110.

I hope that is the case. Still not a fan of the rear. But way better then the stockers if so


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[octagon]

Quick note. I just finished a thorough clean of the P10C after 2500 rounds without a cleaning and to see if there were any hidden issues under the gunk. No problems but I should add that in my 2000 round challenge review i said there were no worn visible spots. After cleaning I found some finish wear on the frame tabs where the slide mounts and a spot on the left side of the horseshoe slide lock assembly. Neither are excessive and just appear to be finish depth but are shiny.

Also I would add that the magazines are a joy to disassemble compared to Glocks. Easy off without any excess force or struggling. Just a punch needed for regular mags and no tools needed for extended(17) round mag. As long as they don't self disassemble when dropped I consider it an nice addition to the easy count capacity holes,high vis follower and slick loading and jump out ejection.

Gun is cleaned and lubed and has a little less gritty feel overall.

[MSparks909]

Just watched this on CZ's FB page. Darned impressive if you ask me. 6,200+ rounds before it finally stovepiped, zero lubrication and they dunked it in a muddy creek every 300 rounds to cool it off. Wow.


https://youtu.be/ILltPQyskf0

[RJ]

Just watched this on CZ's FB page. Darned impressive if you ask me. 6,200+ rounds before it finally stovepiped, zero lubrication and they dunked it in a muddy creek every 300 rounds to cool it off. Wow.


https://youtu.be/ILltPQyskf0

Well, ya, but did they hit it with a Malllet? :cool: Enel

Kidding. Good video. This pistol is definitely on the short list for closer examination.

So far, everything I've seen indicates it should be able to give a G19 for its money.

[psalms144.1]

Well, ya, but did they hit it with a Malllet? :cool: Enel

So far, everything I've seen indicates it should be able to give a G19 for its money.I'll believe it's a contender when Ameriglo or Trijicon start making NS for it...

[RJ]

I'll believe it's a contender when Ameriglo or Trijicon start making NS for it...

Gotcha.

I haven't been able to follow this thread as well as I'd like, so apologize if asked before.

I'm more at the 'paint the rears black and the front bright orange' with a Painters Pen level.

Is there anything about the stock CZ sights preventing me doing that?

[breakingtime91]

Gotcha.

I haven't been able to follow this thread as well as I'd like, so apologize if asked before.

I'm more at the 'paint the rears black and the front bright orange' with a Painters Pen level.

Is there anything about the stock CZ sights preventing me doing that?

it doesn't glow in low light..

[SilentSc0rch]

Just watched this on CZ's FB page. Darned impressive if you ask me. 6,200+ rounds before it finally stovepiped, zero lubrication and they dunked it in a muddy creek every 300 rounds to cool it off. Wow.


https://youtu.be/ILltPQyskf0

It looks like they may not have been counting failure to hold open as a stoppage. Still, color me impressed.

[Wake27]

So these fit in Safariland ALS holsters right? I'd be very curious to see if one with an RMR milled in will fit in the 6354DO. Fire-4-effect is milling these in case anyone wants to try and let me know...


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[Trukinjp13]

Gotcha.

I haven't been able to follow this thread as well as I'd like, so apologize if asked before.

I'm more at the 'paint the rears black and the front bright orange' with a Painters Pen level.

Is there anything about the stock CZ sights preventing me doing that?

I do not see why not. They are just glow in the dark rears.


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[SteveB]

I got the P-10 sights from CZ Custom today; the front sight is a fiber-optic P-07 sight, .125" wide and the rear sight is a black Shadow 2 sight. They regulate well at 25 yds with American Eagle 147 ball. I also had a 4" PPQ with me; I put a Dawson F/O front sight on it, but the factory rear notch is too wide. I shot a bunch of plate racks and the P-10 was noticeably faster and more accurate there. So I decided to run a few Bill Drills, but since I forgot to bring holsters, I just recorded the splits. PPQ splits were .22 .20 .21 .20 .21 with 2 C's and the P-10 was .20 .20 .19 .19 .19 all A's. I'm getting a Dawson rear sight for the PPQ, but the P-10 is gtg.

[SilentSc0rch]

CZ Custom has night sights back in stock. Not the cheapest, but I snagged a pair anyway. The stock aluminum works fine but I'll take Tritium and steel every time.

[Trukinjp13]

My buddy just got his dawsons in the mail.
Front .124
Read .126

No bueno, for me. Really needs like a .140 rear or thinner front


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[Trukinjp13]

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[Trukinjp13]

Just ordered a set of sights and threw on my aplc glock. Light is badass on her.

Waiting patiently for my jmcustom with the aplc!

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[Sasage]

Has anyone test fit with a Phlster Acess?

[Trukinjp13]

Okay got my sights in. I originally ordered cz custom sights. Rear htac was not in stock. No eta on when they will be. Ordered a set of the dawsons.

Installed today. Rear took a lot of fitting to get right. Front was easy as butter. Sight picture is tight. But man what a difference over stock. 100 more rounds through her. Still no lube other then how it came. I am better every time I shoot it. It really is pretty easy to shoot accurate and fast.

No auto forwarding on mine, ambi controls are smooth and easy. Hard to drop a full mag, but I really never do that anyways. Very happy with this pistol. Aplc works like a charm on her and adds just a little needed muzzle weight.

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[Trukinjp13]

Going to finally order some bulk ammo in. Been shooting way to many different types lately.

Plan is to come up with a fair competition between the px4cc and the p-10c. Probably shoot 50 rounds out of each and then dot torture drill for finish. Figure that is a good indication of each gun. Also do not want to bounce back and forth. Figure one at a time is fair. 50 rounds to acclimate myself to each.

What do you guys think? And yes I know apples to oranges in trigger systems.

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[GJM]

Got Dawson fiber optic sights installed. They shoot at least three inches low at 25 yards.

[Trukinjp13]

Got Dawson fiber optic sights installed. They shoot at least three inches low at 25 yards.

Are you going to have them send you a new front? I believe they will cover it to fix your poi. I have only shot to about 20 yards with them


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[GJM]

Are you going to have them send you a new front? I believe they will cover it to fix your poi. I have only shot to about 20 yards with them


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I do plan to call them next week. Figure I need at least a .025 shorter front, and am hoping to get a .110 or .115 wide to provide more light.

[Trukinjp13]

I do plan to call them next week. Figure I need at least a .025 shorter front, and am hoping to get a .110 or .115 wide to provide more light.

If you do let me know! Mine seemed to be a little low. But I did not know if it was just me. I really wish there was more light in between the sights.


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[md8232]

I was trying to wait for the suppressor ready model, bought gave in this morning and bought a black one.
Now to spend the price of the gun on mags!

You guys are a bad influence on me.

[Trukinjp13]

I was trying to wait for the suppressor ready model, bought gave in this morning and bought a black one.
Now to spend the price of the gun on mags!

You guys are a bad influence on me.

I think you will enjoy yours. So far so good for me.


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[md8232]

I think you will enjoy yours. So far so good for me.


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Thanks. I found mags from a place called The Mag Shack. I've crossed my fingers and ordered 5 15 Rounders and a 9 Round ETS for a G43.
Got a tracking number and it looks like my CZ will go out tomorrow.

[spyderco monkey]

I've been eyeing the P10C for awhile now.

How is the recoil impulse - especially with 124gr +p? Is it more or less "snappy" then a G19?

I went all in on the PPQ awhile back, bought an absurd amount of mags at the same time as it was right before the election. Loved the ergos and trigger, hated the recoil. Shit tier Russian steel case 115gr felt like a .40 s&w out of it. Ended up selling it - and still working on selling the mags in this post MAGA sales era.

So, really want to make sure I'm not snagging a Czech PPQ in this regard.

[Trukinjp13]

I've been eyeing the P10C for awhile now.

How is the recoil impulse - especially with 124gr +p? Is it more or less "snappy" then a G19?

I went all in on the PPQ awhile back, bought an absurd amount of mags at the same time as it was right before the election. Loved the ergos and trigger, hated the recoil. Shit tier Russian steel case 115gr felt like a .40 s&w out of it. Ended up selling it - and still working on selling the mags in this post MAGA sales era.

So, really want to make sure I'm not snagging a Czech PPQ in this regard.

I would say it feels snappier? Like the impulse feels like a fast snap but it is very flat shooting. Definitely in the same ball park as a g19 recoil wise. I can shoot mine really fast esp. with the trigger. My px4cc feels "softer" shooting but I can not shoot it as fast. I did not think it was anything .40 like though. I also feel like it was definitely less then a ppq.
I personally like the trigger and the way it shoots more then a ppq. It is accurate as hell and so far mine has been perfect with all the different types of ammo I have run through it.


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[octagon]

I haven't shot a PPQ but have done a fair amount of comparison between a gen 4 Glock 19 gen 2 Glock 23 with 9mm conversion barrel and two different P10Cs. What I am noticing is the grip texture seems to be the biggest noticeable difference in feel of recoil impulse. The Gen 4 19 and P10 Cs feel very similar for muzzle rise and recoil impulse into the hand. The Gen 2 23 feels like it has more muzzle flip/rise but a tough less impulse into the hand. The only thing that seems to feel like it makes sense is the aggressive texture of the P10Cs and the Gen 4 19 being quite similar and the Gen 2 23 being a lot less aggressive as it is very smooth from 30k rounds and thousands of draws and manipulations. It is shiny in the plastic areas from wear. Finger grooves may play a small part but since the Gen 4 19 and P10 Cs are so similar in texture but one has finger grooves and the other doesn't and the Gen 2 23 doesn't I don't believe it is much of the difference if any.

All that said I think all of the guns are very close and my not so skilled times for draw,splits,FAST and various drills are super close with P10 being a fraction faster in reloads and about the same everywhere else even though I have close to 50k rounds through Glocks and less than 4000 through P10Cs so far.

Just one persons opinion and observations.

[SilentSc0rch]

Last week, I took out my 19.3, PPQ, and P10C to shoot them side-by-side for a quick compare and contrast. The CZ seemed to track the fastest of all three with the PPQ being the worst in that regard. I don't have a shot timer (yet) so this is pretty subjective for sure. The Glock and Walther felt about the same speed-wise considering that, even though the PPQ definitely has snappier recoil than the Glock, the PPQ trigger is much easier to shoot quickly than the 19's is. So from a subjective point of view, the CZ feels the quickest and is the most pleasant to shoot.

[md8232]

Does anyone know if the CZ slide will fit in the MGW 309 Glock sight tool?

[spyderco monkey]

Thanks for the recoil input vs PPQ guys. I'm seriously considering the P10C now.

Kinda funny story with the PPQ. My shooting was done with Novosibirsk brand 9mm steel case, and not only was the recoil very sharp, but every 10th round or so there was a terrific muzzle flash that lit up the indoor range. I was certain that this was some really hot stuff - not only was the recoil and flash tremendous, but Novosibirsk is the same company that makes Russia's AP 9mm +p+ military ammo.

So, not believing that the PPQ could have such a sharp recoil impulse, I sent this hot ammo for testing to my buddy who reloads and has a Magnetospeed.

"Check out this hot ruskie ammo for me."

His report back: 115gr @ 1060fps - aka 115gr subsonic.

Since my buddy never fired the PPQ, he's just convinced I'm just a noodle handed excuse for a shooter.

[GJM]

I regularly shoot a 4 and 5 inch PPQ, and also have a P-10C.

Not sure if folks are focusing on recoil impulse subjectively, as opposed to measuring performance on the timer. I find the PPQ faster to shoot than the CZ, as measured by the timer. I find a G19 "softer" shooting than either the CZ or Walther, but softer is irrelevant to me as a metric, unless it results in better performance.

[spyderco monkey]

I regularly shoot a 4 and 5 inch PPQ, and also have a P-10C.

Not sure if folks are focusing on recoil impulse subjectively, as opposed to measuring performance on the timer. I find the PPQ faster to shoot than the CZ, as measured by the timer. I find a G19 "softer" shooting than either the CZ or Walther, but softer is irrelevant to me as a metric, unless it results in better performance.

I agree that it's not likely impacting actual performance. I shot the PPQ rapidly, untimed against my CZ P09, which shoots much "softer," and the results were pretty comparable in terms of speed and accuracy (~3-5 shots a second magazine dump @ 7 yards, open hand sized group.)

It's just that I found the experience quite jarring for a 9mm, especially with such weak loads. I like 9mm's to be as smooth as possible.

I'm curious as to what causes the PPQ to have a "sharper" impulse - it doesn't seem under sprung, nor does it seem to have a high bore axis. The only thing I could think of is that the PPQ uses a more rigid, inflexible plastic (polycarbonate?) then the Glock's soft polymer. And the rigidity may transfer more recoil impulse to the shooter?

[Bucky]

Just read all 13 pages. I was "gun ho" on getting one of these for a while, but have since resisted. Now, I'm on the fence. I am trying to take a polymer sabbatical, as I feel I need some more "metal" in my collection. But now there is this, the new M&P compact, such good stuff. What could really break me is an APX compact.

Still, after reading this thread, need to go handle, and possibly shoot a P10C. :)

[walker2713]

Just read all 13 pages. I was "gun ho" on getting one of these for a while, but have since resisted. Now, I'm on the fence. I am trying to take a polymer sabbatical, as I feel I need some more "metal" in my collection. But now there is this, the new M&P compact, such good stuff. What could really break me is an APX compact.

Still, after reading this thread, need to go handle, and possibly shoot a P10C. :)

I prefer my FN 509 to my CZ P10C....just ordered a second one. You might want to check it out.

[Bucky]

I am trying to take a polymer sabbatical...



I prefer my FN 509 to my CZ P10C....just ordered a second one. You might want to check it out.

You are NOT helping! :p

[walker2713]

You are NOT helping! :p

As a new member of the forum, you may have come here with an inaccurate or ill conceived idea of what P-F is about.

This is NOT a recovery group for those tragically addicted to firearms, and in particular handguns.

There may be a 12 step firearms forum out there, but this is NOT it!

Every time you visit here you potentially risk your financial security and marital relationship at every turn.

Rather than restrain your best impulses to explore the wonderful world of handguns, we're here to egg you on, and bait you into further squandering your wealth so that we can feel better about ourselves, and our own reckless lust after newer, more improved and more tactical weapons.

Therefore, proceed at your own risk!

And welcome!

George:cool:

[Trukinjp13]

I like my p-10c. So far for me the best shooting striker gun I have used. But then new gen 5 g19 looks nice. And the m&p compact really has me wanting one.

To me the problem with the CZ is support. Factory or aftermarket. There are so many options for Glock and S&W. The dawsons have on the cz are nice but not what I want. The mags are more expensive. The gun is still fairly untested. The m&p and glock both have a track record and weirdly seem to have mostly opposite problems. You can pretty much find whatever you need for the Glock and s&w
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[md8232]

I like my p-10c. So far for me the best shooting striker gun I have used. But then new gen 5 g19 looks nice. And the m&p compact really has me wanting one.

To me the problem with the CZ is support. Factory or aftermarket. There are so many options for Glock and S&W. The dawsons have on the cz are nice but not what I want. The mags are more expensive. The gun is still fairly untested. The m&p and glock both have a track record and weirdly seem to have mostly opposite problems. You can pretty much find whatever you need for the Glock and s&w
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It is still early days for the CZ. I questioned Ameriglo about sights for the CZ and they say hopefully in 2 to 3 months. I can live with the stock sights that long.
Hoping the magazine fairy drops something off soon tho.

[Trukinjp13]

It is still early days for the CZ. I questioned Ameriglo about sights for the CZ and they say hopefully in 2 to 3 months. I can live with the stock sights that long.
Hoping the magazine fairy drops something off soon tho.

This is true. But it will never be a s&w/glock supported pistol. Too small in numbers

[octagon]

Sights seem to be slow in getting to the market for the P10 C but for such a new gun with limited market share I don't think it is doing too bad. There are milled slides for RMRs,a couple sight set choices, recoil spring and guide rod assemblies, triggers and striker springs, decal grip texture wraps, extended magazines, holsters for Glocks that fit and specific holsters. In general there seems to be an item or two for most areas and the gun is pretty good out of the box. It is nice to have more choices and for some people they need some items to make the gun more workable for them but the P10C has quite a few features that mean it doesn't need as much to make it as workable as other models.

It has front and rear cocking serrations so no need for milling a slide to add them, A good trigger that is semi flat, not too heavy or clunky with a short reset so less need for aftermarket"fix". Metal 3 dot sights that have a little ledge and are generally snag free otherwise as well as night sights and fiber optic for other preferences. Fully ambi controls with good placement and size. Aggressive grip texture and 3 different back straps to adjust grip. A decent undercut at the grip/trigger guard area. Large enough trigger guard for gloved use. I could go on but it seems like the gun is good out the box for most people in most uses with less "need" for modification or aftermarket support. Would I like more choices? Sure would and sights are so personal more choice is always good. But I also look at it being so good as a start and pretty new at only 8-9 months since intro and less for actually in hands of consumers.

Other than sights and holsters which are very personal choices what does the gun need to be better?

[ranger]

With the success of CZ's other pistols in competition, I am confident that there will be plenty of support for the P10C from CGW and CZ-USA. My shooting partner has one - he is an early adopter on everything! - and he has the Dawson FO sights. I like the Dawson FO sights. Wish the CZ mags were cheaper - had same issue when I tried to the P07 and P09.

[Trukinjp13]

Sights seem to be slow in getting to the market for the P10 C but for such a new gun with limited market share I don't think it is doing too bad. There are milled slides for RMRs,a couple sight set choices, recoil spring and guide rod assemblies, triggers and striker springs, decal grip texture wraps, extended magazines, holsters for Glocks that fit and specific holsters. In general there seems to be an item or two for most areas and the gun is pretty good out of the box. It is nice to have more choices and for some people they need some items to make the gun more workable for them but the P10C has quite a few features that mean it doesn't need as much to make it as workable as other models.

It has front and rear cocking serrations so no need for milling a slide to add them, A good trigger that is semi flat, not too heavy or clunky with a short reset so less need for aftermarket"fix". Metal 3 dot sights that have a little ledge and are generally snag free otherwise as well as night sights and fiber optic for other preferences. Fully ambi controls with good placement and size. Aggressive grip texture and 3 different back straps to adjust grip. A decent undercut at the grip/trigger guard area. Large enough trigger guard for gloved use. I could go on but it seems like the gun is good out the box for most people in most uses with less "need" for modification or aftermarket support. Would I like more choices? Sure would and sights are so personal more choice is always good. But I also look at it being so good as a start and pretty new at only 8-9 months since intro and less for actually in hands of consumers.

Other than sights and holsters which are very personal choices what does the gun need to be better?

I own one. Just to clarify. Still will not be the same. I think there is a disconnect here. I am not insulting the pistol or cz. It is simple numbers. Most companies will not make sights for them simply because of demand. Vs trijicon will usually have Glock/m&p sights dropped instantly. Look at the fns, I loved mine but it just never did anything. There are plenty others that have come along that will not get the same.

Glock/s&w have the ability to supply a army and supply support for them. Cz does not. They make awesome pistols. But it is like tesla vs gm. (Not saying i like or dislike tesla) Gm builds more and has more parts available for when shit happens.

Also sights and holsters are personal. Which makes them some of the most important options.


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[octagon]

I understand you weren't slamming the gun,CZ or the aftermarket. You are right about supply and demand and in comparison how the P10 C will likely never be out in numbers like Glock and M&Ps.

My point was more to the reasoning and importance of the aftermarket support compared between guns. Early Glocks needed help in several areas for a decent amount of people to feel comfortable with the gun. As generations have evolved they get better and address more issues buyers want. The P10C(CZ) had the luxury of seeing the market evolve over time and come out with a product to fit well with what it appears the market wants and possibly near future trends. It doesn't need as much aftermarket support to be good since out of the box it has a number of standard features the aftermarket offers for Glock and M&Ps.

I'm always for options but I think sometimes people get caught up in the amount of support when some of the parts are not needed and the ones that are needed it isn't that important to have 6 choices. If the gun has a good trigger is there even a need for 6 different flat face trigger shoes,8 different connectors, 4 or 5 spring kits etc.. ? I would say no but don't blame anyone who wants to have a specific set up. Same with other parts for grip,ergos or controls. If they are good out of the box then no need for aftermarket parts to be available and less cost or chance to screw it up for those not smart enough to select the right parts or install them correctly.

I know what I would want or suggest to others when considering a new gun purchase. If I found a gun that is good out of the box then not having to change/buy sights,trigger kit,undercut or mill parts on it make it a better choice. That is where I see the P10C in comparison with Glocks. Both are fine guns out of the box and for some people need no mods. But if you need mods it is nice to have choices but not needing mods in the first place is even better and cheaper.

[Trukinjp13]

I understand you weren't slamming the gun,CZ or the aftermarket. You are right about supply and demand and in comparison how the P10 C will likely never be out in numbers like Glock and M&Ps.

My point was more to the reasoning and importance of the aftermarket support compared between guns. Early Glocks needed help in several areas for a decent amount of people to feel comfortable with the gun. As generations have evolved they get better and address more issues buyers want. The P10C(CZ) had the luxury of seeing the market evolve over time and come out with a product to fit well with what it appears the market wants and possibly near future trends. It doesn't need as much aftermarket support to be good since out of the box it has a number of standard features the aftermarket offers for Glock and M&Ps.

I'm always for options but I think sometimes people get caught up in the amount of support when some of the parts are not needed and the ones that are needed it isn't that important to have 6 choices. If the gun has a good trigger is there even a need for 6 different flat face trigger shoes,8 different connectors, 4 or 5 spring kits etc.. ? I would say no but don't blame anyone who wants to have a specific set up. Same with other parts for grip,ergos or controls. If they are good out of the box then no need for aftermarket parts to be available and less cost or chance to screw it up for those not smart enough to select the right parts or install them correctly.

I know what I would want or suggest to others when considering a new gun purchase. If I found a gun that is good out of the box then not having to change/buy sights,trigger kit,undercut or mill parts on it make it a better choice. That is where I see the P10C in comparison with Glocks. Both are fine guns out of the box and for some people need no mods. But if you need mods it is nice to have choices but not needing mods in the first place is even better and cheaper.

I agree on triggers and mods. My main problem is the things I need most I can not have. Hopefully I can get some decent sights. As far as lowly me it is not a huge concern that certain things are lacking. If you are tired of all the other options or want to give it a try, do yourself a favor and shoot the damn thing.

I know a lot of customers will not buy into a system simply because of all the goodies you can not get. Or departments/leo who can not get the proper amount of support they need.


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[octagon]

True enough. It is early in the gun's life on the market so some things will take time. Anyone who won't try it because there isn't a big aftermarket is missing out. Their loss. I have 2 P-10Cs and enjoy them totally stock. The sights are more than acceptable and functional but I too would like some more sight choices.

These guns are popular enough that supply is being outstripped by demand and lack of standard capacity mags too. Hopefully that popularity carries over to more sight choices and other options soon enough.

[Trukinjp13]

Mac just did his torture test on the p-10c. If you are into that sort of thing....

Cz has done pretty well so far. Scientific or not


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[psalms144.1]

On the question of aftermarket support, I'll jump in with my usual comment that sights are VERY personal preference, and I STRONGLY prefer Ameriglo's Pro-Glo/CAP style front. In a pinch (or a slice), I'll use Trijicon HDs or HDRs. I know there are NS available for the CZs, but, for now, mine are strictly range toys unless/until Ameriglo starts making Pro Glos for them.

I had the same issue with my P2000s, loved them, but only the HDs were available. Got tired of having a HUGE front sight, and having my covering garments get ripped to shreds by the knife-sharp rear sights.

Hoping against hope that Ameriglo will support the CZ line. I can appreciate their hesitation - the weird front sight attachment has got to be a major tool up investment cost, and, if the pistols don't catch on in a meaningful way, they'll be SOL on that cost.

[Trukinjp13]

On the question of aftermarket support, I'll jump in with my usual comment that sights are VERY personal preference, and I STRONGLY prefer Ameriglo's Pro-Glo/CAP style front. In a pinch (or a slice), I'll use Trijicon HDs or HDRs. I know there are NS available for the CZs, but, for now, mine are strictly range toys unless/until Ameriglo starts making Pro Glos for them.

I had the same issue with my P2000s, loved them, but only the HDs were available. Got tired of having a HUGE front sight, and having my covering garments get ripped to shreds by the knife-sharp rear sights.

Hoping against hope that Ameriglo will support the CZ line. I can appreciate their hesitation - the weird front sight attachment has got to be a major tool up investment cost, and, if the pistols don't catch on in a meaningful way, they'll be SOL on that cost.

This is also my primary problem. Since my p-10c and talo g43 I have become a huge fan of ameriglo. Also put em on my p320c when I had it. Much favored over my trijicons or fiber setups.


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[md8232]

I picked up mine today. Ran a patch thru the barrel, then off to my home range. Tried ejection without a magazine with the first couple of rounds. Empties fell out the magwell. Shot 100 rounds of 115g reloads without
a problem. I'm going for 200 rounds a day till the 2,000 round challenge is done. The grip fits my hand just a bit better than my G19's. I'll live with these sights for a bit hoping Ameriglo is on target with the CZ sights.
Never had a gun that would auto forward the slide with a manly reload before. I kinda like it.
My CCC VersaClip is fine once I loosened the screw. My TLR-1 HL is a perfect fit. More mags on the way.
Tomorrow is the big shoot off with my fully pimped G19.
Good times.

[Trukinjp13]

I picked up mine today. Ran a patch thru the barrel, then off to my home range. Tried ejection without a magazine with the first couple of rounds. Empties fell out the magwell. Shot 100 rounds of 115g reloads without
a problem. I'm going for 200 rounds a day till the 2,000 round challenge is done. The grip fits my hand just a bit better than my G19's. I'll live with these sights for a bit hoping Ameriglo is on target with the CZ sights.
Never had a gun that would auto forward the slide with a manly reload before. I kinda like it.
My CCC VersaClip is fine once I loosened the screw. My TLR-1 HL is a perfect fit. More mags on the way.
Tomorrow is the big shoot off with my fully pimped G19.
Good times.

Glad to hear you are liking her. Mine has yet to auto forward. I even tried to whack the mag a few times after loading it. Had to send a vid to my buddy because his does it with the slightest insert. I hope mine will not do under my normal reloads. I am not a huge fan of the auto forward. Definitely a personal thing though


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[SilentSc0rch]

Glad to hear you are liking her. Mine has yet to auto forward. I even tried to whack the mag a few times after loading it. Had to send a vid to my buddy because his does it with the slightest insert. I hope mine will not do under my normal reloads. I am not a huge fan of the auto forward. Definitely a personal thing though


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Mine requires a decent shove to auto-forward. Generally speaking, I don't ram mags in when the action is open since there is no real resistance to overcome.

For any interested parties, MAC just did their gauntlet test and the pistol did pretty damn well. Tim claims it to be in the top three although I think the G17 did a little better. The Glock stopped sooner (sand) but didn't reach a point where it was inoperable like the P10C did once the mud was caked all up in the trigger group. I think it bested the PPQ and definitely did better than the M&P.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOLiBG32IC0

[Trukinjp13]

I picked up mine today. Ran a patch thru the barrel, then off to my home range. Tried ejection without a magazine with the first couple of rounds. Empties fell out the magwell. Shot 100 rounds of 115g reloads without
a problem. I'm going for 200 rounds a day till the 2,000 round challenge is done. The grip fits my hand just a bit better than my G19's. I'll live with these sights for a bit hoping Ameriglo is on target with the CZ sights.
Never had a gun that would auto forward the slide with a manly reload before. I kinda like it.
My CCC VersaClip is fine once I loosened the screw. My TLR-1 HL is a perfect fit. More mags on the way.
Tomorrow is the big shoot off with my fully pimped G19.
Good times.

Glad to hear you are liking her. Mine has yet to auto forward. I even tried to whack the mag a few times after loading it. Had to send a vid to my buddy because his does it with the slightest insert. I hope mine will not do under my normal reloads. I am not a huge fan of the auto forward. Definitely a personal thing though


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[GJM]

Mine requires a decent shove to auto-forward. Generally speaking, I don't ram mags in when the action is open since there is no real resistance to overcome.

For any interested parties, MAC just did their gauntlet test and the pistol did pretty damn well. Tim claims it to be in the top three although I think the G17 did a little better. The Glock stopped sooner (sand) but didn't reach a point where it was inoperable like the P10C did once the mud was caked all up in the trigger group. I think it bested the PPQ and definitely did better than the M&P.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOLiBG32IC0

Actually, it was the P07, Rex 01 and now the P10-C that did well in his tests. P10-C first striker to do this well.

[octagon]

Back from a range outing today and had some interesting outcomes. First up I did the Dot torture for the first time with the P10C at 3 yards and cleaned it reasonably comfortably. Had one round hit the top edge of the circle on the first round strong hand only but cut it in half so I lowered the aiming point a fraction. This was with the new(to me but used) P10C I recently traded for. I did some Bill drills at 3 and 5 yards. Then I tried the 10-8 extractor test or a version of it. I shot 20 rounds total, (10 2 handed and 10 strong hand only) I guess I don't read well as I thought it was 10 each. I used a magazine to load the rounds and removed it before firing as I don't care to have the extractor slam over the case rim just for testing. Out of the 20 rounds I had 4 cases stay in the gun(catch on feedramp or in ejection port) and 1 round fall out of magazine well. The rest ejected fine and none came back at me.

I finished up shooting 10 rounds one handed SHO and WHO in each position straight up, sights at 3 o clock,sights at 6 o clock and sights at 9 o clock with a weapon mounted light on the gun. No issues using Sellier and Bellot 115gr.

Lastly I did the same 10-8 extrastor test with my Glock 23 with 9mm conv barrel and the Beretta APX. The Glock hit me with brass 3 times in the head on right side(hit bar of hearing muffs) caught 3 rounds in the slide/feedramp area and had 2 rounds drop out the magwell. The funny thing is that this gun (Gen 2 probably 30k rounds through it) has never had any ejection issues with any ammo in 40 cal or 9mm. The APX ran perfectly except 1 round came out mag well.

The new to me P10C is running great and has a better trigger than my other P10C.

[octagon]

Sorry if this was posted already I didn't recall seeing it. This guy compared spring rates and other factors as they relate to trigger weight and pull characteristics and aftermarket trigger and other P10C info.

http://minivandoorgunner.blogspot.com/2017/09/cz-p-10c-hb-industries-theta-flat.html

[awdxtc]

The most impressive aspect to me is the reduction in take up, I didn't see it mentioned in the article but was the trigger reset affected at all with the hbi trigger?

[psalms144.1]

I still think pre-travel reduction in the P-10C is ill-advised -- but I also feel the same way about it in the Glock. :)Wholeheartedly concur. If you want a 1911 trigger, get a 1911 and learn how to safely operate a single action only pistol with multiple redundant safeties. But, that's just my opinion...

[MSparks909]

Interesting video from Omaha Outdoors on the P10C. Anyone else having issues with their striker rotating in the channel? First I've heard of this issue.


https://youtu.be/W1jZiqTad3I

[opmike]

Just saw the video a few minutes ago. The movement in the striker looks like a very peculiar design flaw; why is it not completely constrained to the striker channel?

[Trukinjp13]

Mine ran perfect but I had only gotten around 500 rounds through her and sold it. I did notice that people complained about the striker plate moving. I honestly thought nothing of it at the time. But it does make sense if it loosens up anymore. I like these guys content. Some of the stuff is ridiculous. But it is youtube. I like to take the good with the bad.


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[4gallonbucket]

Just saw the video a few minutes ago. The movement in the striker looks like a very peculiar design flaw; why is it not completely constrained to the striker channel?

This guy has two P10’s and one showed similar symptoms. He made some big modifications to get that one working again:

http://minivandoorgunner.blogspot.com/2017/09/cz-p-10c-possible-failure-to-fire.html



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[opmike]

This guy has two P10’s and one showed similar symptoms. He made some big modifications to get that one working again:

http://minivandoorgunner.blogspot.com/2017/09/cz-p-10c-possible-failure-to-fire.html



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I don't have a P10 in front of me, but it looks like there's two potential issues here; one shown on the blog and one shown in the video.

1) The slide cover plate sliding down and causing the slide to hang up when returning to battery.
2) The striker rotating in the channel, and causing the slide to hang up when returning to battery.

[MSparks909]

I don't have a P10 in front of me, but it looks like there's two potential issues here; one shown on the blog and one shown in the video.

1) The slide cover plate sliding down and causing the slide to hang up when returning to battery.
2) The striker rotating in the channel, and causing the slide to hang up when returning to battery.

I'm no engineer, but #2 strikes me as a pretty big design flaw!

[octagon]

After seeing the video and following minivan doorgunner blog already I checked out my 2 P10-Cs to look for potential problems. I have approx 2400 rounds through one and depending on how many the previous owner fired ( I believe he said 600 ish) the second one has just shy of 2500 through it. Neither gun has had a single problem for me in dry fire or live fire(minus 1 FT Feed due to crushed case as shown in 2000 round challenge thread that was ammo related) The backing plates do move down when forced but I can't get either to not function properly even when I push down on the backing plate while slowly riding the slide forward. Neither striker moves much side to side and not enough to cause any issue when I try to induce one so far.

These are just a sample of 2 and not a ton of rounds through them but I plan to keep a close eye on these issues. I will note that minivan doorgunner has done a lot of mods and likely a lot of disassembly/reassembly when investigating numerous spring rates,trigger and other other parts. It may be part of the issue the changes and frequent disassembly/re-assembly contributing to some problems. That doesn't explain the video issue.

[Doc_Glock]

Interesting video from Omaha Outdoors on the P10C. Anyone else having issues with their striker rotating in the channel? First I've heard of this issue.


https://youtu.be/W1jZiqTad3I

Thanks for that. Scratch one from the maybe list.

[Lon]

Thanks for that. Scratch one from the maybe list.

But did it pass the drop test?

[ralph]

Nexer heard of this issue, and, so far, have'nt had a problem with mine.. What I want to know is, why did'nt they sent it back to CZUSA, and let them look at it and fix it, instead of making a video and bitching about it?

[Trukinjp13]

Nexer heard of this issue, and, so far, have'nt had a problem with mine.. What I want to know is, why did'nt they sent it back to CZUSA, and let them look at it and fix it, instead of making a video and bitching about it?

Well their channel is to test shit and try to see if they will last. Then report said issues to the public. What would have happened if they just sent the p320 back to Sig? Instead it went viral for everyone to see.


Also that gun also was disassembled and put back together to cerakote it. So maybe there is something in that.


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[ralph]

Well their channel is to test shit and try to see if they will last. Then report said issues to the public. What would have happened if they just sent the p320 back to Sig? Instead it went viral for everyone to see.


Also that gun also was disassembled and put back together to cerakote it. So maybe there is something in that.


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What I do know is, that the striker assembly in a P-10c is easy to disassemble, but difficult to reassemble correctly, I suppose it's possible that is what happened. Anyway, I'm not putting much into this, unless this issue starts popping up everywhere I'm writing it off as a possible reassembly error..I would'nt take their video too seriously... If the pistol was working before it was Cerakoted, and now it's not, that's what I'd call a clue....