Israel Makes Glock 30s?

[Glenn E. Meyer]

http://www.rappler.com/nation/146878-duterte-glock-30-pistols-soldiers

I didn't know that and a quick search didn't mention Israel as a production site. Just curious.

Also, a Glock 30 - that's an unusual choice for armed forces.

[HCM]

AFAIK Israel does not make Glocks though they are popular there. Given the workdays anti-US sentiments, maybe they will buy the guns through Israel to ensure they don't get US production Glock's.

A few years ago the Philippines purchased generation for Glock 17's to reequip their entire national police force. My understanding is due to the favorable trade arrangements between the US and the Philippines, the Philippine police contract was filled with Georgia produced Glock 17's.

The Philippines is one of the few Asian countries were civilians can own firearms. 1911s and 45 are popular there. The last time I was there I saw several police officers and security guards carrying1911s.

[Hot Sauce]

http://www.rappler.com/nation/146878-duterte-glock-30-pistols-soldiers

I didn't know that and a quick search didn't mention Israel as a production site. Just curious.

Also, a Glock 30 - that's an unusual choice for armed forces.

Take anything he says with a grain of salt. The man is prone to idiotic, exaggerated, or plain lying statements.

[Jeep]

Take anything he says with a grain of salt. The man is prone to idiotic, exaggerated, or plain lying statements.

Yes. The chance of him following through is small, but the choice of .45 cal isn't surprising since, as HCM notes above, it continues to be a very well thought of cartridge in the Phillipines.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Israel is about the dollar...you want the Glock stamped made in Israel?

Boom.

Stamp applied.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

It would be interesting, independent of their idiot President, if Glock 30s were issued. That would be a first for a major service. If the guy wants to be a Chinese colony, let him. Why do we have to save and patrol Southeast Asia and listen to crap.

[TiroFijo]

Why do we have to save and patrol Southeast Asia and listen to crap.

Alfred Thayer Mahan must be spinning on his grave...

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Yeah, I've read Mahan and studied military history quite a bit. He was instrumental in convincing the Kaiser to build the High Seas Fleet and challenge the UK. Bringing us the great fun, in part, of WWI - which lead to horrors of the current Middle East. Kind of a drift from Glock 30s. Should the new Chinese Fleet sail off the coast of California or patrol the Caribbean? When a Chinese naval force sailed around Alaska, we got all upset for a bit.

The battleship race in Latin America certainly did those countries a lot of good just before WWI and after.

[TiroFijo]

Yeah, I've read Mahan and studied military history quite a bit. He was instrumental in convincing the Kaiser to build the High Seas Fleet and challenge the UK. Bringing us the great fun, in part, of WWI - which lead to horrors of the current Middle East. Kind of a drift from Glock 30s. Should the new Chinese Fleet sail off the coast of California or patrol the Caribbean? When a Chinese naval force sailed around Alaska, we got all upset for a bit.

The battleship race in Latin America certainly did those countries a lot of good just before WWI and after.

But the fact remains that if US retires from that area, China will take over and US economy and interests will take a hit worldwide...

Anyway, the US decline as THE world superpower is just a matter of time.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

China will physically take over the Philippines and this somehow destroys world wide trade that we do with China? They won't sell us stuff for WalMart. Kind of funny - I use a computer made in China, wear shirts from VietNam and drive a car from Japan. All were the enemies of the USA at times. I ate in a Vietnamese restaurant yesterday, over the weekend at a Japanese and Chinese restaurant. I did have a Glock on (from Austria - a WWII and WWI enemy). We rule the world. Superpowers come and go. I just need good take out.

[TiroFijo]

Given the chance, China will not physically take over the region, just somehow dictate the major rules in her new "sphere of influence".
Good or bad? I don't know... I'm not from the US and I could not care less about the language or color of foreign powers that rule world trade, but the pax americana seems rather benign compared to other things I've seen or heard about
I just have the feeling that the US protective umbrella over the region is not entirely a selfless act of kindness....

[Peally]

We don't protect everywhere out of the bottom of our hearts, no one ever has in history. However, unlike China we still have half a heart left over somewhere ;)

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Well, anyway - you can't take over a country that is full of Glock 30s. Isn't that obvious?

They never fit my hand well, so I wasn't a fan of them. I'm old school on 45s - just got 1911s. But not for an EDC.

[TiroFijo]

We don't protect everywhere out of the bottom of our hearts, no one ever has in history. However, unlike China we still have half a heart left over somewhere ;)

Just 1/10th will do nicely in comparison... :D

[TiroFijo]

Well, anyway - you can't take over a country that is full of Glock 30s. Isn't that obvious?

They never fit my hand well, so I wasn't a fan of them. I'm old school on 45s - just got 1911s. But not for an EDC.

I love the 1911 too, but the G21 SF (just barely) fits my hand and it's a great gun.

The evil chinese will force the poor filipinos to buy Norinco G30 clones... :p

[RevolverRob]

Duterte is a short-term crackpot dictator, with a maximum half-life of 4 years.

The Philippines is a key region for political influence in Asia. It was more important, prior to the Occupation of Japan and the continued cultural influence in South Korea (read: the first half of the 20th century). But it still plays an important role geopolitically with regards to the South China Sea. Make no mistake, it is an important area to maintain relations for shipments coming to the US via southeast Asia.

It's also important to recognize that the decline in political relations with Israel, India, and the Philippines is directly a result of the abysmal foreign policy of the Obama Administration. Sure to be a continued problem under Clinton 2.0, unless Bill Clinton is appointed Sec of State, and even if he is, unlikely to see a major reversal in those relations for another dozen years.

[Hot Sauce]

Holy thread diversion, Batman!

[Joe in PNG]

Holy thread diversion, Batman!

PF.Com: Come for the Thread, stay for the Drift!

[MGW]

I love 45 caliber Glocks but I seem to be in the minority. I particularly like Gen 3 21s. I shoot them well but not very fast. Maybe taking my time and not expecting blazing speed is the reason I shoot them well though.

[TheNewbie]

I love 45 caliber Glocks but I seem to be in the minority. I particularly like Gen 3 21s. I shoot them well but not very fast. Maybe taking my time and not expecting blazing speed is the reason I shoot them well though.

Only at PF does an ontopic post seems off topic. I love that about PF!

I'm with you on 45 glocks and I have small hands.

[MGW]

Only at PF does an ontopic post seems off topic. I love that about PF!

I'm with you on 45 glocks and I have small hands.

Oddly enough PF is the reason I stopped carry a Gen 3 30. Well, and realizing I wasn't as good with it as I thought I was. But I guess that was PFs fault also.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I always thought a Glock 36 with a grip that wasn't so wide (meaning along the length of the round), longer grip and more capacity , and without that idiot honker on the end of the magazine would be an attractive 45.

So we are sure the Pres of P. doesn't know what he is talking about re the Glock 30s.

[Lost River]

I love 45 caliber Glocks but I seem to be in the minority. I particularly like Gen 3 21s. I shoot them well but not very fast. Maybe taking my time and not expecting blazing speed is the reason I shoot them well though.

Caution Necro post ahead!

.45 ACP Glocks (the ones I have owned and been issued have been universally excellent in the accuracy and reliability department.

http://i.imgur.com/RUk1fDR.jpg (https://imgur.com/RUk1fDR)

I honestly cannot think of a .45 ACP I trust more than a Glock 21 (regular flavor or SF) to run reliably.

Lightweight, accurate, and very easy to shoot well, I have always thought very highly of them.

I know that is probably sacrilegious to say, especially as a long time 1911 shooter, and a big fan of other classic .45s like the 4506, but it is true. The Glock 21 is the one I would take into harms way over any other .45. The only other competitor in my book is the HK USP .45 and I simply don't currently own one. That is something I need to correct. The primary reason I would consider the USP is simply because it appears to be the most ideal platform for launching .45 Supers.

BTW the G30S is a sweet little .45 too.

http://i.imgur.com/L38r106.jpg (https://imgur.com/L38r106)

[JRB]

Caution Necro post ahead!

.45 ACP Glocks (the ones I have owned and been issued have been universally excellent in the accuracy and reliability department.

http://i.imgur.com/RUk1fDR.jpg (https://imgur.com/RUk1fDR)

I honestly cannot think of a .45 ACP I trust more than a Glock 21 (regular flavor or SF) to run reliably.

Lightweight, accurate, and very easy to shoot well, I have always thought very highly of them.

I know that is probably sacrilegious to say, especially as a long time 1911 shooter, and a big fan of other classic .45s like the 4506, but it is true. The Glock 21 is the one I would take into harms way over any other .45. The only other competitor in my book is the HK USP .45 and I simply don't currently own one. That is something I need to correct. The primary reason I would consider the USP is simply because it appears to be the most ideal platform for launching .45 Supers.

BTW the G30S is a sweet little .45 too.

http://i.imgur.com/L38r106.jpg (https://imgur.com/L38r106)

I can't help but agree fully.

My Father's 'old faithful' .45 has been a Gen 2 G21 with a Jarvis barrel since '91-92ish or so. It has gone along on countless hiking, backpacking, and hunting trips. He bought one of the first barrels off of Jarvis's line for the G21 because of the fully supported chamber, to better suit reloading. I can shoot that Glock outstandingly well, and we've put untold thousands of reloads through it, usually a 230gr FMJ or TMJ with 5-5.1gr of bullseye underneath it. If memory serves, it's had two new recoil springs and some Wolff magazine springs but otherwise it has needed nothing to stay running - though the old school MeProLite night sights have long since died.
(I should buy Dad some Trijicons for that thing.. hmm)

Last year, I did finally find a .45 ACP I can shoot better - a friend's full-boat 'all of it button' Wilson Combat 1911.

My USP45 shoots very well when I do my part, but I have to really think about it and focus on proper trigger control or I yank the shots low and left. Dad's old G21 may as well be telekinesis by comparison; Sight picture - trigger press, bullets go where I want them to without thought.

So Trijicons for Dad and another case of practice .45ACP for me, just for USP work.

P-F is expensive, you open a thread and suddenly you NEED to spend $250-1000 out of nowhere. Lol.

[Totem Polar]

Caution Necro post ahead!

.45 ACP Glocks (the ones I have owned and been issued) have been universally excellent in the accuracy and reliability department.


Not much to add, except to note that the last gun I bought was a Glock .45acp (G36).

[HeavyDuty]

I have a pair of .45 Glocks - my late wife’s early 21 which I’ll never sell, and a 41 which is a personal favorite. If they ever update the 30s to Gen5 or even Gen4 I’d be there instantly.

[WobblyPossum]

My previous employer issued Glock 21s. I got a Gen3 SF. I found the gun to be very accurate and softer shooting than I expected. The trigger was one of the smoothest I’ve ever felt in a pre-Gen5 Glock. My only gripe was that the grip size was at the limit of what my hands could run efficiently. It’s been over a decade since I’ve handled a non-SF G21 but I believe I had to compromise my grip to reach the trigger.

[Lost River]

I can't help but agree fully.

My Father's 'old faithful' .45 has been a Gen 2 G21 with a Jarvis barrel since '91-92ish or so. It has gone along on countless hiking, backpacking, and hunting trips. He bought one of the first barrels off of Jarvis's line for the G21 because of the fully supported chamber, to better suit reloading. I can shoot that Glock outstandingly well, and we've put untold thousands of reloads through it, usually a 230gr FMJ or TMJ with 5-5.1gr of bullseye underneath it. If memory serves, it's had two new recoil springs and some Wolff magazine springs but otherwise it has needed nothing to stay running - though the old school MeProLite night sights have long since died.
(I should buy Dad some Trijicons for that thing.. hmm)

Last year, I did finally find a .45 ACP I can shoot better - a friend's full-boat 'all of it button' Wilson Combat 1911.

My USP45 shoots very well when I do my part, but I have to really think about it and focus on proper trigger control or I yank the shots low and left. Dad's old G21 may as well be telekinesis by comparison; Sight picture - trigger press, bullets go where I want them to without thought.

So Trijicons for Dad and another case of practice .45ACP for me, just for USP work.

P-F is expensive, you open a thread and suddenly you NEED to spend $250-1000 out of nowhere. Lol.



Talk about parallel worlds! :cool:

My Father owns my Gen 2 G21. It was my old duty gun and the only reason I switched to a Gen 3 when they came out was that I worked night shift and wanted the rail. He still carries it to this day, along with a G19 I bought him for Father's Day one year.

Speaking of Jarvis Barrels; The extended barrel pictured above is a threaded Jarvis that I bought for use with a can.

The load that I have used most is just my old USPSA load that I got from Rob Leatham back in the mid 90s, consisting of 4.3 grains of Clays and a 200 grain SWC. Mild and superbly accurate. I have shot literally bucketfuls of that load through the 21s. BTW, many don't know this about .45 caliber Glocks. While the previous 9mms (pre-Marksman barrels with their traditional rifling)have polygonal rifling, the .45s have hexagonal rifling. I cannot say with any sort of scientific background if the difference matters when it comes to shooting lead, but I have put many tens of thousands of rounds through my Gen 3 21. I know it is considerably past 50K of LSWCs with zero issue. Hard cast being the key. Though I was pretty good about checking for signs of leading and cleaning it whenever I thought it was getting a bit cruddy. The 21 barrels are just plain smooth.

What I have found over the course of time is that I can shoot my tightest groups slow fire using a 1911, such as my Baer PII, or an early gen1 Kimber that is a tack driver. However for run and gun type shooting such as USPSA, I shoot the G21 better. The soft shooting characteristics of the G21 allow me to shoot it more accurately when shooting quickly. When combining speed and accuracy, it is the better choice for me.


Speaking of accuracy though, some might get a kick out of this. I have a 3'x3' target board that I sometimes shoot large bore revolver rounds at, at my cabin. Normally one person uses a spotting scope, and calls the shots, while the shooter walks the rounds onto the target. The range from the bench by the campfire pit to the target is 780 yards.





Here is a shot looking from the target to the cabin when it was first put up by a buddy who is a retired cop from back east:


http://i.imgur.com/XHoAT9S.jpg (https://imgur.com/XHoAT9S)


And lunch break. Stopping to chow down on some elk and green stuff, before resuming our Elmer Keith games.

That bench seat btw, is made from an old hay wagon. You can see the old metal brake comb on the ground.

http://i.imgur.com/KXl5s0D.jpg (https://imgur.com/KXl5s0D)


Just for Grins I grabbed the G21 with the Jarvis barrel and a magazine full of JHPs to see how close I could get. I actually managed to walk a single round into the target. I figured one out of 13 rounds at 780 yards was not too bad on a 3x3 target.

http://i.imgur.com/xru3D3q.jpg (https://imgur.com/xru3D3q)

Fun stuff!

http://i.imgur.com/6u7LeYn.jpg (https://imgur.com/6u7LeYn)
http://i.imgur.com/o4DAXiu.jpg (https://imgur.com/o4DAXiu)

[41magfan]

Unless Glock has changed something that I haven't kept up with (which is quite likely), all of their standard production barrels are polygonal in type. The .45 caliber offerings are cut with 8-sides (octagonal) while the other calibers are cut with 6-sides (hexagonal).

[Lost River]

Unless Glock has changed something that I haven't kept up with (which is quite likely), all of their standard production barrels are polygonal in type. The .45 caliber offerings are cut with 8-sides (octagonal) while the other calibers are cut with 6-sides (hexagonal).

41,

I think your right ref the Octagonal/Hexagonal. I was going off of memory, which on this subject is getting a bit long in the tooth! :rolleyes:

:cool:

[MattyD380]

The Philippines is one of the few Asian countries were civilians can own firearms. 1911s and 45 are popular there. The last time I was there I saw several police officers and security guards carrying1911s.

I was there a few years ago. I remember seeing what looked like 1911s in cop holsters—as well another apparently metal-framed pistol I didn’t recognize. Some cursory googling suggested it might be some kind of a .22 TCM pistol.