Ameriglo FBI Glock Contract Sights

[Gray222]

Made this post on my site:

http://www.vdmsr.com/2016/10/ameriglo-fbi-glock-contract-sights.html


I posted several photos and stated that these sights were Spartan Operator Sights.

http://i.imgur.com/9SPZWoE.jpg

I was contacted by an anonymous, but in the know, party and told that I had made a mistake and I wanted to correct it publicly. These are not Spartan Operator Sights.

They are Ameriglo's submission to the FBI contract which the Glock 17M was chosen to be their new duty gun. You can check the Gov solicitation (pdf link at bottom of link) page 13, C4.14 shows the requirements for sights.

The clear distinction between these sights and the Spartan Operator Sights is the U-notch of the rear sight as well as the size of the front sight.



I think I'll be running these on my EDC Glock 19 soon.

Links are live on my site.

I have no way of verifying this without giving up the source which I won't do, opsec and all that. These sights are not publicly available as far as I know.

[Jay Cunningham]

Went and looked at that... interesting. If those come standard and are available to the public, that's a pretty tempting out of the box solution.

[Gray222]

Went and looked at that... interesting. If those come standard and are available to the public, that's a pretty tempting out of the box solution.

It is.

I have two fundamental issue HDs that remove them from my EDC carrying. Lack of 25y poa/poi point of ledge and size. Too thick not accurate enough, for me.

Of course they rip your clothing too....

These seem to be everything everyone asked for. I need to measure them and see how they differ thickness wise from the HDs.

[JCS]

I recently got some hds and they don't shot poa/poi either. If I put the center of the dot on the target at 25 yards it's 6-8 inches high. Even at 5 yards it's a couple inches high. I did contact Trijicon to see about exchanging my front sight for a different height.

[spinmove_]

Yeah, I saw your post of this the other day and it totally threw me off because I immediately went to go check Ameriglo's site for these sights and could not find them anywhere, much less branded as Spartan Tactical sights. This makes sense now as to why that is. I'm definitely interested in seeing what the dimensions are for these sights. I love the looks of that rear and if the front sight is as thin as what I'm hoping it is (0.125"), it'd pretty much be the best all around pistol sights IMO.

[Jay Cunningham]

Looks like the tritium in the sights will all be the same color. At least that's what I got out of reading the requirement.

[Gray222]

I didn't know and didn't notice the U-notch until the anonymous party corrected me.

When I get home I'll measure them.

[spinmove_]

Looks like the tritium in the sights will all be the same color. At least that's what I got out of reading the requirement.

Damn...missed it by that much...

[jwperry]

Those look nearly exactly the same as the Sig X-Ray sights, which I thought were made by Ameriglo.

I really like my X-Ray sights, sight picture.

[Jay Cunningham]

I didn't know and didn't notice the U-notch until the anonymous party corrected me.

When I get home I'll measure them.

I'm not used to reading that type of (requirement) verbiage, but it was a little confusing. At first it seemed to call for a square notch rear then later it allowed for a u notch.

[Peally]

It's too bad they didn't require a Glock with a dovetailed front sight instead of that goofy screw.

[ST911]

It's too bad they didn't require a Glock with a dovetailed front sight instead of that goofy screw.

What's the issue there? (If already discussed, thread pointer?)

[Jay Cunningham]

It's too bad they didn't require a Glock with a dovetailed front sight instead of that goofy screw.

That probably would have been cool, but the logistics would probably have been painful.

Unless they could design it to an existing spec... but I'm not sure if Glock would be hip on that.

[Greg]

I have sights with and without "U" notches and I don't see why people get excited about them. I never notice the bottom of the rear notch while shooting.

Maybe I'm an unobservant dumbass, but I think it is overblown.

Given how flat and wide a Glock slide is, I don't think a dovetail front would be that good of an idea. Too many Leroys would jack up their sights installing/removing them.

[Gray222]

I've broken a few front sights off, but they would have been broken off with a dovetail.

[Jay Cunningham]

I have sights with and without "U" notches and I don't see why people get excited about them. I never notice the bottom of the rear notch while shooting.

Maybe I'm an unobservant dumbass, but I think it is overblown.

I'm not going to say there's no difference, but I must say we're likely dealing with PII territory here.

[Jay Cunningham]

I've broken a few front sights off, but they would have been broken off with a dovetail.

Might be better for consistent alignment. Glock front sights are often cocked a little.

Ultimately not a huge issue anyway.

[Gray222]

Might be better for consistent alignment. Glock front sights are often cocked a little.

Ultimately not a huge issue anyway.

It's true, good reason why an experienced person needs to install them right.
I use a microlevel and file off a bit on the side that needs it when required.

[Lomshek]

I have sights with and without "U" notches and I don't see why people get excited about them. I never notice the bottom of the rear notch while shooting.

Maybe I'm an unobservant dumbass, but I think it is overblown.

I'm not going to say there's no difference, but I must say we're likely dealing with PII territory here.

What is PII?

I agree with Greg that the "full depth" rear sight cut is something I don't understand. Anyone have a reason that would be important?

[spinmove_]

What is PII?

I agree with Greg that the "full depth" rear sight cut is something I don't understand. Anyone have a reason that would be important?

I'm unsure what PII is also.

As for U-notch vs. square notch, the theory behind the U-notch is that people like to focus on hard edges. The U-notch takes away those edges and unconsciously you're better able to focus on the top edges of the sights (somewhat like removing dots or tritium on the rear sight, so you can focus better on the front sight). Some people prefer U-notches, some prefer square notches, others have no preference.

Personally I haven't shot U-notch rears enough to come to a conclusion.

[vcdgrips]

http://www.tactical-life.com/combat-handguns/a-jeff-cooper-retrospective-8/

As per Jeff Cooper

(Years ago we coined the appellation, “Preoccupation with Inconsequential Increments,” or PII. This peculiarity lies in attributing importance to measurable deviations so small as to be meaningless. You see it in the people who shoot test groups in rifles, awarding a prize to a group which is only thousandths of an inch smaller than those unrewarded. One sees it in speed records awarded in one-thousandths of one mile-per-hour. One sees it in basketball scores which, nearing the century mark, are separated by less than three points. In all such cases Score A is “better” than Score B, but who cares??

[BJJ]

Voodoo man,

Please post the width of the front sight when you get a chance. Like a lot people, I am looking for an improved version of the HD's. One of the improvements would be a front sight that doesn't take up the whole head box on a 25 yard USPSA/IDPA target.

[newyork]

Are these available yet?

[GJM]

Hopefully there is not a coil spring in the FBI model sights?

[STI]

I love my Spartan Operators and can also add that a notable difference is that the public model rear sight is not serrated on the back. I don't see that has been addressed here yet.

[Guinnessman]

I wish Ameriglo would give HK owners some love!

Then again, it makes Glock owners feel better about brass to the face. :p

[LSP972]

Maybe I'm an unobservant dumbass, but I think it is overblown.

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Agreed. Perhaps _I_ am the unobservant dumb-ass, but those sights, except for the orange-instead-of-green front and the writing/lettering/whatever on each sight, look identical to these... which are Trijicon HDs. I've been told that the AmeriGlo's front bright spot is a tad smaller in diameter. At any rate, whoever is manufacturing those sights is doing basically the same thing for Trijicon AND AmeriGlo. I don't get all the glowing interest either. Sights are sights... some work for some, some don't. Its purely a subjective, personal thing.

And any of you who think the feebies always buy the best shit... well, I've got some things for sale myself.;)

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[LSP972]

(Years ago we coined the appellation, “Preoccupation with Inconsequential Increments,” or PII. This peculiarity lies in attributing importance to measurable deviations so small as to be meaningless.

Yes... this one is headed that way, fast. The only better one I've seen in recent memory is the infamous split times for non-competitive shooters interested only in self-defense.

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[GJM]

Agreed. Perhaps _I_ am the unobservant dumb-ass, but those sights, except for the orange-instead-of-green front and the writing/lettering/whatever on each sight, look identical to these... which are Trijicon HDs. I've been told that the AmeriGlo's front bright spot is a tad smaller in diameter. At any rate, whoever is manufacturing those sights is doing basically the same thing for Trijicon AND AmeriGlo. I don't get all the glowing interest either. Sights are sights... some work for some, some don't. Its purely a subjective, personal thing.

And any of you who think the feebies always buy the best shit... well, I've got some things for sale myself.;)

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You and 572 need to coordinate your stories, 'cause I am getting confused.

[Phrog107]

It is.

I have two fundamental issue HDs that remove them from my EDC carrying. Lack of 25y poa/poi point of ledge and size. Too thick not accurate enough, for me.

Of course they rip your clothing too....

These seem to be everything everyone asked for. I need to measure them and see how they differ thickness wise from the HDs.


I'm with you 100% on this. My (limited) experience with HD's leaves me liking the concept, but the POA\POI difference spoils it for me.

[LSP972]

You and 572 need to coordinate your stories, 'cause I am getting confused.

He's 5FIVE2; and we don't need to coordinate anything. In fact, we don't talk much these days, seeing as I haven't been to work in almost two months.

So... what has you confused? It might help you to know that we don't agree on everything.

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WTF? He's not even on this thread! What ARE you confused about???

[Gray222]

Ok...

So my caliper died on me, needs a battery, maybe I'll get it to tomorrow.

I used a Defoor front sight to compare the sizes.

So HD front vs FBI front:

http://i.imgur.com/lDirlvC.jpg

Then Defoor sight vs FBI front:

http://i.imgur.com/8ck04Hp.jpg

Rears of HD and FBI for U-Notch Comparison:

http://i.imgur.com/Ia91nsb.jpg

...and a bunch of front sights to compare:

http://i.imgur.com/Ecoti8R.jpg

More photos/info on my site: http://www.vdmsr.com/2016/10/update-ameriglo-fbi-sights-size.html#more

[Jay Cunningham]

Ok...

So my caliper died on me, needs a battery, maybe I'll get it to tomorrow.

Two is one, one is none.

[Paul Sharp]

It appears to be the same width as a Defoor front which is supposed to be a .115. That's a decent option for folks that want a tritium front but in something other than the eyeball obscuring sized .125 or even larger HD sized front sights.

[Gray222]

It appears to be the same width as a Defoor front which is supposed to be a .115. That's a decent option for folks that want a tritium front but in something other than the eyeball obscuring sized .125 or even larger HD sized front sights.

It's not the same size as the Defoor front. It is a smidgen wider, which is why i think its .125

[spinmove_]

Alright, so the front is 0.125". The HD rear is 0.169" and this new rear is wider. I'd say it's probably the Spartan rear width of 0.180". That's quite a bit of air around that front sight. Interested to hear your impressions of using such a setup.

[JSGlock34]

It's not the same size as the Defoor front. It is a smidgen wider, which is why i think its .125

Definitely worth a look - that's significantly thinner than the HD at .140.

[Gray222]

Definitely worth a look - that's significantly thinner than the HD at .140.

Thinner is good, aim small miss small.

The bigger issue, as I've stated, with the HD's is that they aren't POA/POI at 25y point of ledge. That fucks me up all the time and I am just not as accurate with them as I am with any good set of Ameriglo's.

[Guinnessman]

Alright, so the front is 0.125". The HD rear is 0.169" and this new rear is wider. I'd say it's probably the Spartan rear width of 0.180". That's quite a bit of air around that front sight. Interested to hear your impressions of using such a setup.

I have always loved the Sevigny Carry sights that Dawson makes. It's a 0.125 front with a 0.15 rear. The combo was easy on the eyes, fast up close and accurate at a distance. By far my favorite sights.

[JSGlock34]

I have always loved the Sevigny Carry sights that Dawson makes. It's a 0.125 front with a 0.15 rear. The combo was easy on the eyes, fast up close and accurate at a distance. By far my favorite sights.

Warrens?

[LSP972]

Ok...

So my caliper died on me, needs a battery, maybe I'll get it to tomorrow.

I used a Defoor front sight to compare the sizes.

So HD front vs FBI front:

http://i.imgur.com/lDirlvC.jpg

Then Defoor sight vs FBI front:

http://i.imgur.com/8ck04Hp.jpg

Rears of HD and FBI for U-Notch Comparison:

http://i.imgur.com/Ia91nsb.jpg

...and a bunch of front sights to compare:

http://i.imgur.com/Ecoti8R.jpg

More photos/info on my site: http://www.vdmsr.com/2016/10/update-ameriglo-fbi-sights-size.html#more

Ah, so... you guys are interested in front sight widths. That certainly does matter... until it doesn't when your vision goes south. NOW I think I understand what is confusing good old GJM... Ken (LSP552) is a bit younger than me, his vision hasn't left the room (yet), and he prefers thinner front sights... IIRC.

Thanks for those photos, voodoo. The HD is definitely bigger, in all regards, than the AmeriGlo. For us near-blind types, the HD has the visibility of the BigDot without the difficulty for distance shots... to me, anyway. Ditto the green being more visible- to me- than the orange.

Maybe soon, I'll stop sticking my nose into threads I'm not fully aware of.

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[BigT]

That with a serrated front sight and a square notch rear would be well nigh perfect.


I know , I know but a girl can dream...

[Sigfan26]

The highest visibility front sight is best... It makes finding the slide that flew off easier in low light.


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[spinmove_]

Thinner is good, aim small miss small.

The bigger issue, as I've stated, with the HD's is that they aren't POA/POI at 25y point of ledge. That fucks me up all the time and I am just not as accurate with them as I am with any good set of Ameriglo's.

This is something like the third time that I've heard that the HDs have POA/POI issues. Just when I think I'm good to go with those I find something else that makes me think twice. Ugh, what a PITA...


I have always loved the Sevigny Carry sights that Dawson makes. It's a 0.125 front with a 0.15 rear. The combo was easy on the eyes, fast up close and accurate at a distance. By far my favorite sights.

The Ameriglo Defoor sights share that same front sight to rear sight width ratio. I also find that it seems to be about perfect for getting precise alignment without taking all day to do it and also lends itself to being pretty visible when you have to use that sight picture with a flashlight.


Warrens?

Yes, he would be referring to the Warren/Sevigny sights. Dawson does not make them, but he does sell them on his site. That's probably where the confusion came from.

[LSP552]

This is something like the third time that I've heard that the HDs have POA/POI issues. Just when I think I'm good to go with those I find something else that makes me think twice. Ugh, what a PITA.

I think that's very gun specific. I have experienced blade and behind the dot with HDs and various Ameriglo over the years. No experience with the new FBI sights, but every gun can be its own rule. The nice thing about HDs is you can get various front sight heights to zero exactly as your wish. Ameriglo has some decent options on heights also.

[GJM]

I find almost every G19 I have, requires a .230 HD front (.215 is standard). Same with most G26 pistols. G17 is 50/50 between .215/.230. G34 often needs a .230 or even .245. G22 often needs a .230.

[Guinnessman]

Warrens?

Yessir!

[spinmove_]

I think that's very gun specific. I have experienced blade and behind the dot with HDs and various Ameriglo over the years. No experience with the new FBI sights, but every gun can be its own rule. The nice thing about HDs is you can get various front sight heights to zero exactly as your wish. Ameriglo has some decent options on heights also.

Gun specific as in "model" specific or "individual unit" specific? VDM ran his Trijicon HDs on his G19 for a while and experienced that issue. Others have run theirs on similar Glocks to similar results IIRC. At this point in time I'm a G19 guy and I've had OK luck with Ameriglo sights for the most part. Although I've had some complaints with some of their models, I'm slowly figuring out that every iron sight option has their shortcomings in some form or fashion.

Personally I think I'm at the point where constantly chasing after the perfect sight setup isn't really getting me anywhere except poorer. These new Ameriglo FBI sights look nice, but they're ultimately an expense that I don't NEED. I'm running Defoors w/o tritium right now. I can shoot pretty well with them, but having at least paint on the front sight would really help. Fiber doesn't do me a much better indoors beyond what all black sights do for me now. I'll probably swap my Defoor front for a thin standard tritium front (0.125") that I happen to have on hand and call it good until I can get into a low-light class and evaluate from there.

[Gray222]

I'll be doing a review of the HD sights, but this is a bit i'll be including in my review.

When the group of guys I train with switched over to HD's as did I. At that was something like 2-3 years ago. Since then I ran HD sights on my Gen4 G19 EDC and in every class, 45k rounds later I still can't run them as well as the current tritium Defoor sights. The POA/POI issues of the HD sights are extremely real and very substantial. I've tried various grained ammos, various barrels. I was consistently low or consistently high. A 200 drill about two years ago with HD sights:

http://i.imgur.com/5Rg7OSH.jpg

And this is a 200 drill with the new Defoor tritium sights:

http://i.imgur.com/FTaKF0R.jpg

The HD's were low because I couldn't find a point of reference, if I cut the target in half the rounds go high, if I try to "8 ball" the sights, they go all over the place.

Ameriglo Defoor sights provide a good point of reference with POA/POI @ 25y.

I'm going to put these FBI sights on my EDC gun today or tomorrow and I'll get a range report after I do.

[spinmove_]

I'll be doing a review of the HD sights, but this is a bit i'll be including in my review.

When the group of guys I train with switched over to HD's as did I. At that was something like 2-3 years ago. Since then I ran HD sights on my Gen4 G19 EDC and in every class, 45k rounds later I still can't run them as well as the current tritium Defoor sights. The POA/POI issues of the HD sights are extremely real and very substantial. I've tried various grained ammos, various barrels. I was consistently low or consistently high. A 200 drill about two years ago with HD sights:

http://i.imgur.com/5Rg7OSH.jpg

And this is a 200 drill with the new Defoor tritium sights:

http://i.imgur.com/FTaKF0R.jpg

The HD's were low because I couldn't find a point of reference, if I cut the target in half the rounds go high, if I try to "8 ball" the sights, they go all over the place.

Ameriglo Defoor sights provide a good point of reference with POA/POI @ 25y.

I'm going to put these FBI sights on my EDC gun today or tomorrow and I'll get a range report after I do.

I see you took the paint off of the top half of that front sight. How weird is the sight picture with the tritium vial in the lower half of the front sight? Do you find that you can run those sights faster than their tritium-less counterparts?

[Gray222]

I see you took the paint off of the top half of that front sight. How weird is the sight picture with the tritium vial in the lower half of the front sight? Do you find that you can run those sights faster than their tritium-less counterparts?

No, no, this is before I painted the sight, that's when I first got it.

I had to paint them because I would search for the sight during presentation and then sometimes even after I presented.

[spinmove_]

No, no, this is before I painted the sight, that's when I first got it.

I had to paint them because I would search for the sight during presentation and then sometimes even after I presented.

Ah, so you're still rocking the paint on the first two serrations then? That's still working out/holding up for you? Tritium lamp in the lower half isn't throwing you off at all?

[Gray222]

Ah, so you're still rocking the paint on the first two serrations then? That's still working out/holding up for you? Tritium lamp in the lower half isn't throwing you off at all?

The front top lip wore off, I need to probably use something else, maybe nail polish like was suggested.

I'll probably sideline them until I get enough time under these FBI sights.

The tritium isn't bad, its just located at a weird spot. I've done some low light shooting with it and obviously/as expected they shot high. But at 7 yards, POA/POI high chest was hitting high clavicle/low neck area.

[spinmove_]

The front top lip wore off, I need to probably use something else, maybe nail polish like was suggested.

I'll probably sideline them until I get enough time under these FBI sights.

The tritium isn't bad, its just located at a weird spot. I've done some low light shooting with it and obviously/as expected they shot high. But at 7 yards, POA/POI high chest was hitting high clavicle/low neck area.

That's kind of what I figured would happen. Ok, cool, thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.

[El Cid]

I find almost every G19 I have, requires a .230 HD front (.215 is standard). Same with most G26 pistols. G17 is 50/50 between .215/.230. G34 often needs a .230 or even .245. G22 often needs a .230.

I've found the .245" is necessary on my 17's, 19's, and 26's. I still need to lollipop (6 o'clock hold) on a bullseye at 25 yards. I love my HD's, but I'm interested in the new Ameriglo option because I don't fancy having a slice-n-dice rear sight.

ETA: The .245" front is with 147gr ammo.

[newyork]

Anyone try out the Ameriglo Hackathorns?

[BWT]

Will these be available to regular people?

This is germane to my interests. Shopping for sights for a Glock 26.

God Bless,

Brandon

[L-2]

Will these be available to regular people?

This is germane to my interests. Shopping for sights for a Glock 26.

God Bless,

Brandon

These Ameriglo-brand sights seem to be available separately, front and rear.

Front: https://ameriglo.com/collections/glock/products/glock-pro-glo-tritium-fronts
Rear: https://ameriglo.com/collections/glock/products/glock-u-notch-tritium-rears No serrations, however.

https://ameriglo.com/collections/glock/products/glock-uc-tritium-sets
This has the serrations on the rear, but not the tritium on the rear, only on the front.

Otherwise, I suppose we'll need to wait & see if/when the exact configuration in the OP will show up on the website.

[JCS]

Not to hijack the thread, but I feel it's relevant about the hds. I spoke with Trijicon customer service (traded 5 emails over the last two days) and they are sending me the taller front sight free of charge. Great customer service.

Back on topic, I would really like to pick up a pair of the Ameriglo sights for my 26. I'm still rocking stock sights on it.

[spinmove_]

These Ameriglo-brand sights seem to be available separately, front and rear.

Front: https://ameriglo.com/collections/glock/products/glock-pro-glo-tritium-fronts
Rear: https://ameriglo.com/collections/glock/products/glock-u-notch-tritium-rears No serrations, however.

https://ameriglo.com/collections/glock/products/glock-uc-tritium-sets
This has the serrations on the rear, but not the tritium on the rear, only on the front.

Otherwise, I suppose we'll need to wait & see if/when the exact configuration in the OP will show up on the website.

What's unique about the set that VDM has for testing is that the front sight is a pro-glo orange, but is 0.125" in width, where the rest of their pro-glo fronts are .0.140". Ameriglo does have the TCAP that comes in at 0.125", but it's a square and not a dot. The rear, as you pointed out, does not have the serrations.

[Lomshek]

What's unique about the set that VDM has for testing is that the front sight is a pro-glo orange, but is 0.125" in width, where the rest of their pro-glo fronts are .0.140". Ameriglo does have the TCAP that comes in at 0.125", but it's a square and not a dot. The rear, as you pointed out, does not have the serrations.

Bingo!

I'd like to be able to have a pro-glo or HD front sight with a normal size tritium green capsule and the vivid green/yellow "dot" in a .125 blade even if that means the bright colored dot is not quite so XS Big Dot style. Just make it the size of the white dot on Trijicon's normal .125 front sights but bright colored instead.

My preference is toward the green/yellow color but that's why we have choices (or wish we had choices).

[spinmove_]

Bingo!

I'd like to be able to have a pro-glo or HD front sight with a normal size tritium green capsule and the vivid green/yellow "dot" in a .125 blade even if that means the bright colored dot is not quite so XS Big Dot style. Just make it the size of the white dot on Trijicon's normal .125 front sights but bright colored instead.

My preference is toward the green/yellow color but that's why we have choices (or wish we had choices).

Agreed. My preference is orange as green has a tendency to wash out against a lot of targets/backgrounds for me. I can see white dots and orange dots all day every day in far more situations.

[Gray222]

What's unique about the set that VDM has for testing is that the front sight is a pro-glo orange, but is 0.125" in width, where the rest of their pro-glo fronts are .0.140". Ameriglo does have the TCAP that comes in at 0.125", but it's a square and not a dot. The rear, as you pointed out, does not have the serrations.

Last photo I posted is has a bunch of front sights comparisons. The green square is an LE CAP front, nearly same size as the defoor front.

[LSP552]

Gun specific as in "model" specific or "individual unit" specific? VDM ran his Trijicon HDs on his G19 for a while and experienced that issue. .

It can be both. I have 2 G19s, one shoots top of blade and one dot. I agree with George above that most 19s shoot high as does the G34 and G35s. I have SIGs that shoot to the dot and some that shoot to the top of the blade. On my Glocks and with my eyes, the Ameriglo, in general, have been more dot than top of the blade.

[BaiHu]

Did you get a chance to run the 200 with these yet?

[Gray222]

Did you get a chance to run the 200 with these yet?

I didn't but I will.

[Kyle Reese]

It is.

I have two fundamental issue HDs that remove them from my EDC carrying. Lack of 25y poa/poi point of ledge and size. Too thick not accurate enough, for me.

Of course they rip your clothing too....

These seem to be everything everyone asked for. I need to measure them and see how they differ thickness wise from the HDs.

That's why I'm ditching my HD's for something else. I T&E'ed Frank Proctor's WOTG sights, and was pleased with 'em. They're a strong contender for me at this point.

[Gray222]

That's why I'm ditching my HD's for something else. I T&E'ed Frank Proctor's WOTG sights, and was pleased with 'em. They're a strong contender for me at this point.

Those look a lot like the Dueck Defense Fiber optic type sights with a good unotch rear. For competition maybe, but for real world application, probably not.

[GJM]

I could happily go forward with only two sight options for most al of my pistols -- Dawson FO front with their rear, or an Ameriglo TCAP front with their Operator rear (or a Trijicon HD for every model the TCAP is not available for, which is most).

[HopetonBrown]

For competition maybe, but for real world application, probably not.

Vogel, Proctor and Pannone have waxed poetic about how they carried fiber optic sights in the "real world". Some companies build front sights better at protecting the fiber than others.

[Hot Sauce]

Vogel, Proctor and Pannone have waxed poetic about how they carried fiber optic sights in the "real world". Some companies build front sights better at protecting the fiber than others.

I've heard Pannone talk in his class about how any time its so dark that you'll need tritium, you'll need to use a light anyway.

Not to doubt his solid real world experience--the guy is no doubt a bad ass--but based on what I was seeing in that indoor class or on a normal indoor range, I was glad to have the standard 3-dot tritium set up.

As awesome as fibers are with a lot of light shining, without it they tend to turn into normal black sights. Also, keep in mind that the age of your eyes is a factor. I'm sure 20 years from now my preferences will change.

[CanineCombatives]

Chew on this>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NyrzXzsOA4

[Hot Sauce]

Chew on this>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NyrzXzsOA4

I saw those at an LGS and was wondering what the hell they were.

[GRV]

What's unique about the set that VDM has for testing is that the front sight is a pro-glo orange, but is 0.125" in width, where the rest their pro-glo fronts are .0.140". Ameriglo does have the TCAP that comes in at 0.125", but it's a square and not a dot. The rear, as you pointed out, does not have the serrations.


Bingo!

I'd like to be able to have a pro-glo or HD front sight with a normal size tritium green capsule and the vivid green/yellow "dot" in a .125 blade even if that means the bright colored dot is not quite so XS Big Dot style. Just make it the size of the white dot on Trijicon's normal .125 front sights but bright colored instead.

My preference is toward the green/yellow color but that's why we have choices (or wish we had choices).


It's been a little while since I chased unobtanium ameriglo combos, but I believe the "thin ProGlo" has been an option for as long as the TCAP---as old as the old website. Granted, it was only listed as green on the website, IIRC, but even the orange TCAP was a "secret menu item", so I'd bet an orange thin ProGlo was in the same boat.

That's an interesting thought though.....maybe the super tiny tritium is unique to the fact that the TCAP front is both thin and square painted. Mr_White confirmed that the thin operator front (also .125") had a bigger vial than the TCAP. Maybe the thin ProGlos have always had a bigger vial too.

I've always had fun playing this sight overengineering game, but ever since switching to Dawson Chargers I've basically lost all drive to do that. They just....work...very naturally. I think there's something to be said for the traditional sight picture. For all the whiz bang alternatives out there, it's interesting to see that almost all competitive shooters run things very traditional and all competitive sights are nearly identical. Even Sevigny had Warren modify his Wave(TM) sights to be....plain and traditional again.... Setting aside all the point counter-point on tritium, fibers, aging eyes, killed in the streets, etc.

If I felt the need to go tritium again right now...I'd probably just grab Dawsons, or something else as close to a traditional profile as possible. That's what I'm finding works best for me, and lets the sights melt away and give way to the shooting: full-width flat top, square notch and post, thin front, ~half front-sight-width light bars on either side.

[OnionsAndDragons]

I could happily go forward with only two sight options for most al of my pistols -- Dawson FO front with their rear, or an Ameriglo TCAP front with their Operator rear (or a Trijicon HD for every model the TCAP is not available for, which is most).

You are my spirit animal right now.

[vcdgrips]

I second GJM's emotion. I would note, GJM, myself, Spencer Keepers, Chuck Haggard and I am sure others have been running both .125 and .140 wide Ameriglo orange painted fronts mated to an operator .180 wide rear as early as 09.

[BaiHu]

Chew on this>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NyrzXzsOA4
That seems like a whole lot of busyness to me...

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[SLG]

I've heard Pannone talk in his class about how any time its so dark that you'll need tritium, you'll need to use a light anyway.


I tremendously respect Pannone, but I have not found that to be true. I have, many times, seen my tritium when I didn't need a flashlight. More often on the street than on a range.

[PD Sgt.]

I tremendously respect Pannone, but I have not found that to be true. I have, many times, seen my tritium when I didn't need a flashlight. More often on the street than on a range.

This has been my experience as well. This summer I took Mike's Covert Carry for the second time (great training btw). He did say there can be a time in natural light when you can observe a threat but not be able to pick up the FO. He showed a few techniques with a light, some illuminating the FO sufficiently that it is visible at least as brightly, if not more so, than tritium. He did mention he had recently been looking at the AmeriGlo luminous front/tritium and may be experimenting with those in the future.

Mike also said he has about 25% better night vision than most due to increased receptors in his eye. I did not ask him if this factored into his preference for FOs, though I imagine it does not hurt.

Personally, I prefer FO on my pistols that always have a light mounted. In bright light they are brighter than any tritium, in the dark with the light activated they are at least as bright as tritium and I can still keep two hands on the pistol. Most of those that do not have lights have Pro Glo fronts with a plain black rear.

[Hot Sauce]

He did mention he had recently been looking at the AmeriGlo luminous front/tritium and may be experimenting with those in the future.

Mike also said he has about 25% better night vision than most due to increased receptors in his eye. I did not ask him if this factored into his preference for FOs, though I imagine it does not hurt.

Again, it will very much vary for individuals sets of eyeballs. I don't discount his experience at all, Pannone is one of the most squared away no nonsense instructors out there, and it's not like he was trying to sell anyone a set of FOs or anything.

A big orange square/circle tends to draw my eyes more than a thinner FO rod. I'm not surprised he's thinking about experimenting with it it. The bigger the red/orange blog, the easier it is to pick up.

[Hot Sauce]

Double tap.

[spinmove_]

I second GJM's emotion. I would note, GJM, myself, Spencer Keepers, Chuck Haggard and I am sure others have been running both .125 and .140 wide Ameriglo orange painted fronts mated to an operator .180 wide rear as early as 09.

Ameriglo has had a 0.125 orange front available since 2009? Has this been an a la carte option on their website? I ask because I've scoured that site I don't know how many times and have never seen it. If it's existed for that long I kinda feel like a dummy for not knowing about it until now.


I tremendously respect Pannone, but I have not found that to be true. I have, many times, seen my tritium when I didn't need a flashlight. More often on the street than on a range.

Not only the street, but I've found plenty of instances, even particularly during the day, when I could identify a target inside my home or other homes and needed paint/tritium on a front sight when a FO front was no better than a blacked out front. It's those times when I'm thinking about trying a set of fibers out that brings me back to the limitations of what I can personally see and remember that I'm better off running at least tritium in the front. That white or orange ring around the tritium definitely helps in various transitional lighting situations as well. At this time I almost seem to favor white rings as they stay visible longer in fading light and blend nicely with the tritium vial.

[Beat Trash]

I tremendously respect Pannone, but I have not found that to be true. I have, many times, seen my tritium when I didn't need a flashlight. More often on the street than on a range.

This is my experience as well. Especially around dusk and dawn.

[littlejerry]

This is my experience as well. Especially around dusk and dawn.

100% my experience. Many times hunting at dusk or dawn I've been unable to see both aperture and open sights(FO, painted, and black). Illuminated scopes or tritium sights are visible.

In these same conditions I can spot game 50-100 yards away.

[psalms144.1]

I tremendously respect Pannone, but I have not found that to be true. I have, many times, seen my tritium when I didn't need a flashlight. More often on the street than on a range.Couldn't agree more. Indoors, outdoors at dusk and early morning, pretty much any place that isn't an open, sunny or very well lit indoor space. Ameriglo yellow CAPs have become my "go to" because I find I can pick the front sight up in any lighting where I can PID a target. Fiber, not so much.

[Little Creek]

Anyone try out the Ameriglo Hackathorns?

Yes, I have 2 sets on G43 pistols and 2 sets on G19 pistols. I like them a lot, better than anything else I have tried over the last 43 years.

[vcdgrips]

SM,

No, the .125s were hand painted orange ( "Hot Tamale" colored finger nail polish for me ). For me, I went to the .140 front by Ameriglo because it was factory painted and looked brighter, better longer.

[Gio]

I tremendously respect Pannone, but I have not found that to be true. I have, many times, seen my tritium when I didn't need a flashlight. More often on the street than on a range.

Absolutely. Even in my garage with a fluorescent light on there is a side that is darker in shadow. If I'm standing there and aiming out to my dry fire targets that are in full white light, I can't see my fiber. If not for the tan colored targets (I.e if I was aiming on a dark target like someone wearing a dark shirt/jacket), I would have no point of reference to find my sights.

[spinmove_]

SM,

No, the .125s were hand painted orange ( "Hot Tamale" colored finger nail polish for me ). For me, I went to the .140 front by Ameriglo because it was factory painted and looked brighter, better longer.

Ok, that makes more sense. Yeah, I've found that, despite what paint I use or how I use it, it's still not as durable as the solutions from the factory.

[Slalom.45]

I probably missed it, but did anyone post what the "for sure" dimensions are on these sights???

[spinmove_]

I probably missed it, but did anyone post what the "for sure" dimensions are on these sights???

No. VDM's calipers ran out of juice so he did the side by side comparisons. Given that we know the dimensions of other sights, we can make some pretty accurate educated guesses on what their dimensions are. Considering you can't even buy them yet, I don't think anyone will need to worry about it until AmeriGlo decides to release them to the general public, if they ever do.

[Slalom.45]

Good deal. I would love it if the dimensions were about .155-.165 notch and .125 post with decent paint around it.

My current sights are I dot pros. The normal .180/.140 with the old U notch rear for my G17 and .165/.125 on my G43. The .125 on the 43 is nice, but the white only outline doesn't "pop" as much as I would like.

[Gray222]

No. VDM's calipers ran out of juice so he did the side by side comparisons. Given that we know the dimensions of other sights, we can make some pretty accurate educated guesses on what their dimensions are. Considering you can't even buy them yet, I don't think anyone will need to worry about it until AmeriGlo decides to release them to the general public, if they ever do.

Yeah that's my bad, I got the battery but am moving in the next two days so unfortunately it's just bad timing as everything is getting or is packed up.

[spinmove_]

Yeah that's my bad, I got the battery but am moving in the next two days so unfortunately it's just bad timing as everything is getting or is packed up.

No worries. I think the comparisons are sufficient for now. Ameriglo is really good at making their dimensions documented for individual sights when they're available for sale on their site.

[jlw]

I received a set of the FBI sights today. The package is marked as the front sight being a .125 width. The width of the rear sight notch is not listed. I am leaning towards putting these on a Gen3 G19.

I also received a .125 front along with a .160 u-notch rear. I find that the standard .165 height front sight shoots high at 25 yards, which is fine until I forget to adjust a 6-o'clock versus a bisecting sight picture; so, I asked for something taller and thinner than the standard .165x.140 front that comes with the Hacks.

I have a .150 wide square notch rear already on hand.

Now, I just have to decide which pistol gets what.

[JSGlock34]

Are these commercially available now?

[PearTree]

Are these commercially available now?
I would like to know this as well.

[BJJ]

I would like to know this as well.


Me as well

[jlw]

Are these commercially available now?


I would like to know this as well.


Me as well

That depends upon who is doing the asking and whom is being asked. ;)

[Sero Sed Serio]

That depends upon who is doing the asking and whom is being asked. ;)

Let's start with the presumption that the "who" is me. "Whom" should I direct my inquiry to?

[MSparks909]

I received a set of the FBI sights today. The package is marked as the front sight being a .125 width. The width of the rear sight notch is not listed. I am leaning towards putting these on a Gen3 G19.

I also received a .125 front along with a .160 u-notch rear. I find that the standard .165 height front sight shoots high at 25 yards, which is fine until I forget to adjust a 6-o'clock versus a bisecting sight picture; so, I asked for something taller and thinner than the standard .165x.140 front that comes with the Hacks.

I have a .150 wide square notch rear already on hand.

Now, I just have to decide which pistol gets what.

Any chance you could measure the rear notch? IMO these would be the perfect sights if the rear was .150-.155. .160 at the most.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

I think that's very gun specific. I have experienced blade and behind the dot with HDs and various Ameriglo over the years. No experience with the new FBI sights, but every gun can be its own rule. The nice thing about HDs is you can get various front sight heights to zero exactly as your wish. Ameriglo has some decent options on heights also.

When did trijicon start offering different height front sights?

Got a link?

[JCS]

When did trijicon start offering different height front sights?

Got a link?

They sell them on opticsplanet. I had an issue with my gun shooting 2-3" high at 7 yards. I contacted Trijicon and they sent me the taller one for free. Pretty awesome service. Now it shoots pretty close to poi/poa at 7 yards. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161030/2641634a6c7adb2489e83b4f1e4aff48.jpg

[TC215]

When did trijicon start offering different height front sights?

Got a link?

http://shop.opticsplanet.com/trijicon-glock-trijicon-hd-night-sight-set-orange-yellow-front-outline.html?_iv_code=TJ-AP-GL101-GL101FO&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=plusbox-beta&gclid=CO2QlcrZgtACFZMlgQod6wAMFg

[BJJ]

Anybody get a chance to shoot these yet?

[PensFan]

Trijicon has probably been forced by the market to offer alternate sight heights because the market demands options. The Ameriglo FBI's are good to go. I don't have much love for Trijicon these days.

[Gray222]

Anybody get a chance to shoot these yet?

Was shooting all day with them today.

POA/POI is 25y point of front sight ledge. Super easy to catch on the draw during presentation. I didnt shoot a 200 drill but we were running other drills, pretty accurate due to the short width.

This is a definite good to go sight.

Still have to do some low/light cqb stuff to get a fully rounded idea.

[Sero Sed Serio]

This is a definite good to go sight.

I expected as much given 1) Ameriglo and 2) the specs--a very well thought-out design and pretty much what I would spec out if I got to choose a sight design.

I hope that Ameriglo expands these beyond Glock...specifically SIG and (is it too much to hope) the P2000?

[Gray222]

I expected as much given 1) Ameriglo and 2) the specs--a very well thought-out design and pretty much what I would spec out if I got to choose a sight design.

I hope that Ameriglo expands these beyond Glock...specifically SIG and (is it too much to hope) the P2000?

I can't speak for other brands but given the fact the FBI went with Glock over others pretty much means a lot of aftermarket support will be directed to that end rather than others it's nothing personal, just business.

[Sero Sed Serio]

I can't speak for other brands but given the fact the FBI went with Glock over others pretty much means a lot of aftermarket support will be directed to that end rather than others it's nothing personal, just business.

Not surprising, and a reasonable business practice. But I figure posting the interest in a public place can't hurt...

[psalms144.1]

I hope that Ameriglo expands these beyond Glock...specifically SIG and (is it too much to hope) the P2000?Sig is a maybe - Ameriglo puts out quite a few options for Sigs. P2000? Fuggedaboudit. I've been actively begging for them since 2009 (my first chance to talk with Ameriglo at some length at SHOT), and have been consistently told, politely, to go piss up a rope. HK's proclivity for changing sight dovetails every time them come out with a new model makes them a significant risk, and a pretty small demand universe.

Ameriglo does make NS for HKs - USP and USPc only, "traditional" white outline front and rear only.

As many have noted, for HKs, if you want a high visibility front that's not home made with paint or nail polish, you're stuck with HD or the new TFX hybrid fiber/tritium

[Sero Sed Serio]

Sig is a maybe - Ameriglo puts out quite a few options for Sigs. P2000? Fuggedaboudit. I've been actively begging for them since 2009 (my first chance to talk with Ameriglo at some length at SHOT), and have been consistently told, politely, to go piss up a rope. HK's proclivity for changing sight dovetails every time them come out with a new model makes them a significant risk, and a pretty small demand universe.

Ameriglo does make NS for HKs - USP and USPc only, "traditional" white outline front and rear only.

As many have noted, for HKs, if you want a high visibility front that's not home made with paint or nail polish, you're stuck with HD or the new TFX hybrid fiber/tritium

This was pretty much my analysis of how things would go. I would LOVE Ameriglo to make sights for the P2000, but I've pretty much resigned myself to the traditional Trijicon "Bright and Tough" sights, which, once the rear rings are blacked out, are perfectly serviceable. A boy can dream, though... The SIG sights, on the other hand, might be a possibility. Fingers crossed...

[Gray222]

Ran them today again at the range.

I did not fair as well at distance as I did previously. I found myself cutting the target in half and getting low impacts. Probably running the trigger down and not using the sights properly (equal height/light).

I think I want to paint the top ledge yellow or neon green to give it contrast against the rear sights. Going from the Gen2 Defoor Tritium sights makes me want to go back instantly due to the accuracy difference. However, at speed 3-10 yards, its fast.

[Guinnessman]

Sig is a maybe - Ameriglo puts out quite a few options for Sigs. P2000? Fuggedaboudit. I've been actively begging for them since 2009 (my first chance to talk with Ameriglo at some length at SHOT), and have been consistently told, politely, to go piss up a rope. HK's proclivity for changing sight dovetails every time them come out with a new model makes them a significant risk, and a pretty small demand universe.

Ameriglo does make NS for HKs - USP and USPc only, "traditional" white outline front and rear only.

As many have noted, for HKs, if you want a high visibility front that's not home made with paint or nail polish, you're stuck with HD or the new TFX hybrid fiber/tritium

Maybe with the increase in popularity of the VP9, making a sight that fits the P30/VP9 would make financial sense for Ameriglo. Trijicon lists the P30/VP9/P30sk/P30l/HK45c as compatible with these HD sights: https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=HK110O

[psalms144.1]

Maybe with the increase in popularity of the VP9, making a sight that fits the P30/VP9 would make financial sense for Ameriglo. Trijicon lists the P30/VP9/P30sk/P30l/HK45c as compatible with these HD sights: https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=HK110OIf only...

[Nephrology]

I could happily go forward with only two sight options for most al of my pistols -- Dawson FO front with their rear, or an Ameriglo TCAP front with their Operator rear (or a Trijicon HD for every model the TCAP is not available for, which is most).

Just ordered a pair of operators for $78 shipped + the TCAP sight for another $52 shipped. Ends up coming out to about as much as I'd have paid for the combo alone thru Ameriglo but I get an extra front sight with it.

Definitely looking forward to installing these on the g17 I just finished wringing out. It'll be my new carry gun for the cold weather months. Very excited have a rear sight that doesn't dig into my belly...

[OnionsAndDragons]

Just ordered a pair of operators for $78 shipped + the TCAP sight for another $52 shipped. Ends up coming out to about as much as I'd have paid for the combo alone thru Ameriglo but I get an extra front sight with it.

Definitely looking forward to installing these on the g17 I just finished wringing out. It'll be my new carry gun for the cold weather months. Very excited have a rear sight that doesn't dig into my belly...

IMO, the Operator front is pretty darned good if you take the time to color fill the ring with nail polish.

I've been comparing these two now that I've got my G17k up and running, trying to decide my favorite. I like both a lot.

The TCAP is a bit better for beyond 25, the Operator is maybe a smidge faster up close but not in a way likely to matter. The major benefit of the Operator over the TCAP is that the Tritium vial is bigger and actually visible in low light.

Currently, I'm leaning toward changing the fronts with the seasons. I'm much more likely to be out in a low light condition in the winterish months due to the time night falls, than I am in summer months.

[Nephrology]

IMO, the Operator front is pretty darned good if you take the time to color fill the ring with nail polish.

I've been comparing these two now that I've got my G17k up and running, trying to decide my favorite. I like both a lot.

The TCAP is a bit better for beyond 25, the Operator is maybe a smidge faster up close but not in a way likely to matter. The major benefit of the Operator over the TCAP is that the Tritium vial is bigger and actually visible in low light.

Currently, I'm leaning toward changing the fronts with the seasons. I'm much more likely to be out in a low light condition in the winterish months due to the time night falls, than I am in summer months.

Hmm...

do you do a base layer when you fill the ring? I might keep the operator FS and just throw it on one of my trainer G19s..

[OnionsAndDragons]

Hmm...

do you do a base layer when you fill the ring? I might keep the operator FS and just throw it on one of my trainer G19s..

Nope. The recess makes it pretty resilient. I just paint into the ring and then either scrape off or use a cotton swab and a little alcohol/spirits to clean the vial. Second coat if needed.

Next time I'm going to dab the vial w petroleum jelly or similar in attempt to avoid having to really scrape it.

[Nephrology]

Nope. The recess makes it pretty resilient. I just paint into the ring and then either scrape off or use a cotton swab and a little alcohol/spirits to clean the vial. Second coat if needed.

Next time I'm going to dab the vial w petroleum jelly or similar in attempt to avoid having to really scrape it.

Awesome.

How big of a difference in brightness would you say there is between the TCAP/operator FS? Of the tritium vial, that is. Or is the vial just physically wider?

I'm also surprised to hear you say that the operator is faster. Why do you think that is? i'd assume the TCAP would be faster in daylight with the luminova paint/wider box around the tritium vial.

[BaiHu]

Nope. The recess makes it pretty resilient. I just paint into the ring and then either scrape off or use a cotton swab and a little alcohol/spirits to clean the vial. Second coat if needed.

Next time I'm going to dab the vial w petroleum jelly or similar in attempt to avoid having to really scrape it.
Pix please!

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[OnionsAndDragons]

Awesome.

How big of a difference in brightness would you say there is between the TCAP/operator FS? Of the tritium vial, that is. Or is the vial just physically wider?

I'm also surprised to hear you say that the operator is faster. Why do you think that is? i'd assume the TCAP would be faster in daylight with the luminova paint/wider box around the tritium vial.

The vial in a TCAP is almost so small it isn't very useful. It's the one bad thing about the sight. It's still better than no tritium, but noticeably lesser than other sights.

As to faster, I think that's just me and being most used to running HDs for the last year or two. A combo of the circle up front and having a bit less light to even out w the Ops vs TCAP I find an acceptable sight picture just slightly faster up close. I'm sure if I only shot the TCAP for a couple months it would just go away, and it isn't much faster for me as is right now. Breaking down my last 5x5 results between the two, it looks like maybe 0.02 per shot averaged over 3 runs.

[OnionsAndDragons]

Pix please!

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I'll try to remember when I get home!

[psalms144.1]

The vial in a TCAP is almost so small it isn't very useful. It's the one bad thing about the sight. It's still better than no tritium, but noticeably lesser than other sights.

As to faster, I think that's just me and being most used to running HDs for the last year or two. A combo of the circle up front and having a bit less light to even out w the Ops vs TCAP I find an acceptable sight picture just slightly faster up close. I'm sure if I only shot the TCAP for a couple months it would just go away, and it isn't much faster for me as is right now. Breaking down my last 5x5 results between the two, it looks like maybe 0.02 per shot averaged over 3 runs.I concur completely with all the above. I was so underwhelmed with the TCAP front, ESPECIALLY the first time I was shooting with it in reduced lighting, that I moved it onto a backup pistol that's about third level down the "just in case" line in my safe.

I also found the extra light was detrimental FOR ME, and served to slow me down in anything but ranges that were so close that perfect sight alignment isn't that important anyway...

[spinmove_]

I concur completely with all the above. I was so underwhelmed with the TCAP front, ESPECIALLY the first time I was shooting with it in reduced lighting, that I moved it onto a backup pistol that's about third level down the "just in case" line in my safe.

I also found the extra light was detrimental FOR ME, and served to slow me down in anything but ranges that were so close that perfect sight alignment isn't that important anyway...

That's bizzare that the TCAP tritium vial is THAT small. Makes me wonder why they don't just use the tritium vial from an XS sights rear sight instead. It would match the overall shape of the painted portion of the front sight as well as be larger.

[Gray222]

http://i.imgur.com/yW85kHY.jpg (http://www.vdmsr.com/2016/11/ameriglo-fbi-sights.html)

[jwperry]

Those really are the same sights as the Sig X-Ray sights (but with an orange ring).

[Cool Breeze]

IMO, the Operator front is pretty darned good if you take the time to color fill the ring with nail polish.

I've been comparing these two now that I've got my G17k up and running, trying to decide my favorite. I like both a lot.

The TCAP is a bit better for beyond 25, the Operator is maybe a smidge faster up close but not in a way likely to matter. The major benefit of the Operator over the TCAP is that the Tritium vial is bigger and actually visible in low light.

Currently, I'm leaning toward changing the fronts with the seasons. I'm much more likely to be out in a low light condition in the winterish months due to the time night falls, than I am in summer months.
What model number front sight are you using? I use a gl-112t which is .125 wide... Which is what I thought the width of the tcap was. The only difference was that the gl-146 uses a normal tritium vial and no orange paint around it. So in order to get the same effect of the tcap without sacrificing the normal vial I got the gl-146 and put bright orange tape around it. Seems to work fine. But I have never seen a tcap in person.

When I spoke to ameriglo. They said in order to get enough room to put paint, they they had to use the smaller vial to keep the sight .125 wide. I will admit the orange around my sight is not as much as the tcap because there is not enough space. I like thin front sights tho.

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[BaiHu]

http://i.imgur.com/yW85kHY.jpg (http://www.vdmsr.com/2016/11/ameriglo-fbi-sights.html)
These are the FBI? The look like a Trijicon HD with a toned down FS.

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[OnionsAndDragons]

CoolBreeze,
My TCAP mics at .122

As to the Operator pic, here you guys are!

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161107/231671be6c5d6968c618d9ddca30f893.jpg


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[Gray222]

These are the FBI? The look like a Trijicon HD with a toned down FS.

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Yep.

Thinner front than HDs, rear is different too

[OnionsAndDragons]

The FBI sights are very much in a more refined direction from VDMs comparison pics.

Thinner front, better and non-stabby rear. That's a win all by itself.


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[Cool Breeze]

CoolBreeze,
My TCAP mics at .122

As to the Operator pic, here you guys are!

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Awesome that's what I thought same as mine. I'm assuming your operator is 140?

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[Mitchell, Esq.]

I guess I'm the oddball.

I looked at the X-Ray sights on a Legion pistol - decided "NOPE" almost immediately. I don't like how the front doesn't catch the light and how hard it is to focus on the front when there is a lot of light in front of the gun.

I have trouble making out thin front sights. The HD's have been plenty accurate for me out to 25yds and do not find the rear sharp. I do not believe I would like the Ameriglo sights and have not liked the way an Ameriglo front sight disassembled itself on my 9mm Shield. They replaced it, but still...left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

[OnionsAndDragons]

Yeah. Standard OP front 0.165 h 0.140 w

Mitchell,
I don't have the stabby issue with HDs on SIGs. It's mostly a Glock problem for me. On HKs they are still very sharp but the fact that the rear is contained in the dovetail, it isn't so bad.


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[BaiHu]

Yep.

Thinner front than HDs, rear is different too
How are the rears different other than "not stabby"?

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[Slalom.45]

I apologize again as I've asked this before, but somewhere in the mix I missed the for sure and final specs for front and rear. Height and width. I probably just passed over it, but could one of you guys post it again please? Thanks...

[DocSabo40]

Yep.

Thinner front than HDs, rear is different too

So except for the front and rear sights, they are the same. The rear sight looks the same as the one on my Legion, just a little different in the notch and corners.

[Gray222]

How are the rears different other than "not stabby"?

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The HD rears are sharp. Like blade tip sharp. They rip clothing and will cut your skin if you fail to rack your gun properly.

These are mostly rounded except for the notch part.


So except for the front and rear sights, they are the same. The rear sight looks the same as the one on my Legion, just a little different in the notch and corners.

Same but different?

When we talk about sights, the smallest difference is enough to make them their own animal.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Yeah. Standard OP front 0.165 h 0.140 w

Mitchell,
I don't have the stabby issue with HDs on SIGs. It's mostly a Glock problem for me. On HKs they are still very sharp but the fact that the rear is contained in the dovetail, it isn't so bad.


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To everyone their own, but I never experienced the stabby/sharpness of HD sights on 2 glocks or an HK.

[Duces Tecum]

Re: Post 126

VDM, are those bi-distance? Seems kind of like you could drive the dot for (example) 25 yard shots and use the top of the front sight for (another example) 50 yarders?

[Gray222]

Re: Post 126

VDM, are those bi-distance? Seems kind of like you could drive the dot for (example) 25 yard shots and use the top of the front sight for (another example) 50 yarders?

In the range time I've had with them, 7y and in they are top/middle of dot and then point of ledge out to 25y.

[cpd2110]

When is the release date on these and is there a name or model number?

[BJJ]

Anybody get some more trigger time with these sights?

[Gray222]

Anybody get some more trigger time with these sights?

I've done some more.

The more I shoot them the better I get.

One thing I have noticed is that I've developed a crutch from using the defoor sights where in that I use the tips of the front ledge to align the sights and not the middle of the front sight post as you have to with nearly any circle/dot front sight. So I had a little aiming issue that developed which I am working through.

But if you are used to circle/dot sights these may be the right things for you.

Still no word on when they will be out.

[PearTree]

In reference to when they will be released, I emailed Rick at Ameriglo Nov. 6 and he informed me 1-1.5 months out.

[Larry Sellers]

In reference to when they will be released, I emailed Rick at Ameriglo Nov. 6 and he informed me 1-1.5 months out.
SHOT timing perhaps?

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[jlw]

I have sights with and without "U" notches and I don't see why people get excited about them. I never notice the bottom of the rear notch while shooting.

Maybe I'm an unobservant dumbass, but I think it is overblown.

Given how flat and wide a Glock slide is, I don't think a dovetail front would be that good of an idea. Too many Leroys would jack up their sights installing/removing them.


I'm not going to say there's no difference, but I must say we're likely dealing with PII territory here.


What is PII?

I agree with Greg that the "full depth" rear sight cut is something I don't understand. Anyone have a reason that would be important?


I'm unsure what PII is also.

As for U-notch vs. square notch, the theory behind the U-notch is that people like to focus on hard edges. The U-notch takes away those edges and unconsciously you're better able to focus on the top edges of the sights (somewhat like removing dots or tritium on the rear sight, so you can focus better on the front sight). Some people prefer U-notches, some prefer square notches, others have no preference.

Personally I haven't shot U-notch rears enough to come to a conclusion.


http://www.tactical-life.com/combat-handguns/a-jeff-cooper-retrospective-8/

As per Jeff Cooper

(Years ago we coined the appellation, “Preoccupation with Inconsequential Increments,” or PII. This peculiarity lies in attributing importance to measurable deviations so small as to be meaningless. You see it in the people who shoot test groups in rifles, awarding a prize to a group which is only thousandths of an inch smaller than those unrewarded. One sees it in speed records awarded in one-thousandths of one mile-per-hour. One sees it in basketball scores which, nearing the century mark, are separated by less than three points. In all such cases Score A is “better” than Score B, but who cares??

It appears that Mr. Cooper actually made his thoughts known on the matter. On page 103 his 1961 "The Complete Book of Modern Handgunning" he wrote, "A 'U' notch rear suffers because the light on each side of the front sight is less measurable, being curved and pointed."

[PearTree]

SHOT timing perhaps?

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Just saw this, but that would make sense.

[JSGlock34]

Looks like Trijicon has a thinner HD to introduce at SHOT. HD "XR" with .122 front.

TFB: New Trijicon Products (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/06/new-trijicon-products/)

[Hot Sauce]

Looks like Trijicon has a thinner HD to introduce at SHOT. HD "XR" with .122 front.

TFB: New Trijicon Products (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/06/new-trijicon-products/)Hope the rear isn't sharp as fuck on these.

[Gray222]

Prolly still sharp and 3x the price of the ameriglos.

[JSGlock34]

If front sights are readily available it'll be a good upgrade for those who are already invested in HDs.

[spinmove_]

Prolly still sharp and 3x the price of the ameriglos.

Any word on those FBI AmeriGlos coming to us lowly civilians?


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[John Hearne]

Looks like Trijicon has a thinner HD to introduce at SHOT. HD "XR" with .122 front.

TFB: New Trijicon Products (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/06/new-trijicon-products/)

Make them for Sigs. Make them for Sigs. Makes them for Sigs. For the love of God, make them for Sigs......

[psalms144.1]

Make them for Sigs. Make them for Sigs. Makes them for Sigs. For the love of God, make them for Sigs......Hey, you can already get decent Ameriglos for Sigs. Make the HD XRs for HK, and CZ, and all the other "off" brands that get no love.

[OnionsAndDragons]

Make them for Sigs. Make them for Sigs. Makes them for Sigs. For the love of God, make them for Sigs......

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease...

And HK, too. Just everything that has HDs now.

[John Hearne]

Hey, you can already get decent Ameriglos for Sigs. Make the HD XRs for HK, and CZ, and all the other "off" brands that get no love.

Huh? I really like .120 with a .140 rear. I haven't found any brightly colored Ameriglo's in that width for a Sig. Ameriglo makes a .120 conventional front night sight but not a hi-viz one that I'm aware of. Please tell me I'm wrong. I really, really, really want a set of TCAPs for my Sig. My informal playing about shows I like the bouncing square over the bouncing circle.

[OnionsAndDragons]

Huh? I really like .120 with a .140 rear. I haven't found any brightly colored Ameriglo's in that width for a Sig. Ameriglo makes a .120 conventional front night sight but not a hi-viz one that I'm aware of. Please tell me I'm wrong. I really, really, really want a set of TCAPs for my Sig. My informal playing about shows I like the bouncing square over the bouncing circle.

Unless SIG TCAP sights appeared very recently, you are correct. There are regular CAP and ProGlo, though.

I feel your pain.

[John Hearne]

Unless SIG TCAP sights appeared very recently, you are correct. There are regular CAP and ProGlo, though. I feel your pain.

I've even e-mailed Ameriglo from my .gov addy and the answer is NO!

[Hot Sauce]

Hey, you can already get decent Ameriglos for Sigs. Make the HD XRs for HK, and CZ, and all the other "off" brands that get no love.This is the point at which someone points out that those sound like the epic words of an XD enthusiast.

At which point the XD enthusiast corrects you and says, "That's XDM, motherfucker. Yep, the M stands for motherfucker."

[Gray222]

Any word on those FBI AmeriGlos coming to us lowly civilians?


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I haven't heard anything but someone posted around Shot...

[Lomshek]

Looks like Trijicon has a thinner HD to introduce at SHOT. HD "XR" with .122 front.

TFB: New Trijicon Products (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/06/new-trijicon-products/)

From that release

...that is designed to allow “a larger field of view which further enhances the ability to identify targets, expedite engagements,
and see location of hits on target at longer distances.”

I had to laugh at the bolded line.

"Hey Cleetus! That shot impacted at 4 o'clock five inches away from the bull on the 100 yard target."

[Chuck Haggard]

John Johnson has been trying to get Trijicon to make a thinner front sight for a couple of years now, even offered to pay for a limited run himself, looks like they finally listened.

[spinmove_]

John Johnson has been trying to get Trijicon to make a thinner front sight for a couple of years now, even offered to pay for a limited run himself, looks like they finally listened.

Well hopefully that one dude from Trijicon that responded to posts regarding the sharpness of the rear took that info back to HQ and got them to listen to that too. Trijicon HDs that have a thin front sight and a guaranteed "not stabby" rear would be tempting indeed.


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[Gray222]

John Johnson has been trying to get Trijicon to make a thinner front sight for a couple of years now, even offered to pay for a limited run himself, looks like they finally listened.

Trijicon subscribes to the "we know better, because we do the testing ourselves!" type of methodology, so this is not surprising.

[RJ]

Well hopefully that one dude from Trijicon that responded to posts regarding the sharpness of the rear took that info back to HQ and got them to listen to that too. Trijicon HDs that have a thin front sight and a guaranteed "not stabby" rear would be tempting indeed.


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I took that as a very positive sign the company (or, at least the guy who designed the sights) would represent in a social media thread.

The rears on my set for my VP9 were sharper than a mother in law's tongue. I had to knock the edges back with a file and emery paper. (The sights, not my mother in law).

I'd be mildly interested in the new HDs if I didn't already have a set.

To be honest, I only bought them because 'cool'. Heck, for two cents, I'd probably switch back to the OEM HK glow in the dark sights that came with the pistol. It was kind of a revelation going to Tom Givens lecture on low light shooting at Tac Con in Memphis this year. I now wish I'd spent that HD money on training.

If I could do the swap at home, I'd have done it, but I'm afraid to bugger up the slide or the sights.

[psalms144.1]

I now wish I'd spent that HD money on training.

If I could do the swap at home, I'd have done it, but I'm afraid to bugger up the slide or the sights.Rich - brother, you are SO right. I don't even want to go into the amount of money I've spent so far trying to get decent sights on my 45c.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Thinner front sight for HD?

Humm.

Maybe. I'll have to see...if they make them for the 45c I'm gonna be tempted...

[AMC]

For the Sig enthusiasts....looks like Lipseys is showing them on their website for the Sig 226 9mm/.357 SIG......just not in stock yet. Fingers crossed! Our armorer is replacing guys fading siglite sights with the HDs if they want them. I love the concept, but that front sight is like trying to aim with a basketball at arms length. These would be just right.

[John Hearne]

For the Sig enthusiasts....I love the concept, but that front sight is like trying to aim with a basketball at arms length. These would be just right.

I'm embarrassed to post pics of what I'm running. Basically I have a factory front night sight that was skinnied down to .120. Unfortunately, the vial gave up the ghost and I painted the whole front sight gloss orange after a base of white. On the rear, I'm running the factory night sight with the vials suppressed by a Sharpie. It isn't pretty but I can track it like a boss. I've shot HD's and prefer the bright orange square to the circle but I could learn to live with it. I irrationally miss the tritium in my front sight. (Irrationally, because I'm running an X300)

[BWT]

I'm at the point that I've bought enough different sights that I'm waiting to see how these print as far POI/POA second hand.

As far as me; I'm buying Defoor with no tritium and not touching until I something I know works comes available.

I like the shape of the HDs but I want a 25 yard POA/POI with a thinner visible front sight.

I'm not paying $120 to play the guessing game again.

God Bless,

Brandon

ETA: I also don't want a really tall front sight anymore. Make it lower, thinner, and bright front.

[Guinnessman]

For the Sig enthusiasts....looks like Lipseys is showing them on their website for the Sig 226 9mm/.357 SIG......just not in stock yet. Fingers crossed! Our armorer is replacing guys fading siglite sights with the HDs if they want them. I love the concept, but that front sight is like trying to aim with a basketball at arms length. These would be just right.

I just saw that these sights are available for the P30/VP9/HK45. Shut up and take my money already!

[LSP552]

I'm embarrassed to post pics of what I'm running. Basically I have a factory front night sight that was skinnied down to .120. Unfortunately, the vial gave up the ghost and I painted the whole front sight gloss orange after a base of white. On the rear, I'm running the factory night sight with the vials suppressed by a Sharpie. It isn't pretty but I can track it like a boss. I've shot HD's and prefer the bright orange square to the circle but I could learn to live with it. I irrationally miss the tritium in my front sight. (Irrationally, because I'm running an X300)

I've been really happy with the HDs on my carry 226 and 239. I would prefer a thinner front but the hi-vis is critical to my old eyes. Without range glasses, sight alignment for me is big big bright thingy in the U shape thingy in the back. This works well enough to still be dangerous at distance. I'm lucky in that both hit to the top of the ball.....

Hoping the smaller version will still be usable for me without the range RX.

[JDB]

I'm embarrassed to post pics of what I'm running. Basically I have a factory front night sight that was skinnied down to .120. Unfortunately, the vial gave up the ghost and I painted the whole front sight gloss orange after a base of white. On the rear, I'm running the factory night sight with the vials suppressed by a Sharpie. It isn't pretty but I can track it like a boss. I've shot HD's and prefer the bright orange square to the circle but I could learn to live with it. I irrationally miss the tritium in my front sight. (Irrationally, because I'm running an X300)

Can I ask what paint you are using? I've tried a couple different options, was never pleased with the result...not bright enough.

Thanks

[Chuck Whitlock]

I'm embarrassed to post pics of what I'm running. Basically I have a factory front night sight that was skinnied down to .120. Unfortunately, the vial gave up the ghost and I painted the whole front sight gloss orange after a base of white. On the rear, I'm running the factory night sight with the vials suppressed by a Sharpie. It isn't pretty but I can track it like a boss. I've shot HD's and prefer the bright orange square to the circle but I could learn to live with it. I irrationally miss the tritium in my front sight. (Irrationally, because I'm running an X300)

John,
Ameriglo has the orange CAP front sights as replacements for #8 Sig sights. (square ProGlo). I'm running one on my P250.

http://ameriglo.com/collections/sig-xd/products/sig-xd-pro-glo-tritium-fronts

[John Hearne]

John,
Ameriglo has the orange CAP front sights as replacements for #8 Sig sights. (square ProGlo). I'm running one on my P250.


Unfortunately, that's a .140 and I'm really fond of a .120.

[Chef]

I just saw that these sights are available for the P30/VP9/HK45. Shut up and take my money already!

Help a brother out- have a link for purchase?


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[Chuck Whitlock]

Unfortunately, that's a .140 and I'm really fond of a .120.

Yeah. I thought that they were offering a #6 version as well, but I'm not seeing it on their site.

[JSGlock34]

Any SHOT updates on availability?

[Gray222]

Got a new rear sight from ameriglo to work with the orange front, called the "BOLD" sight.

p/BR_Nv02BrGR

[spinmove_]

Got a new rear sight from ameriglo to work with the orange front, called the "BOLD" sight.

p/BR_Nv02BrGR

Interesting. If you line up the sights EHEL does the squared off bottom of the notch obstruct the bottom of the dot?


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[Gray222]

Interesting. If you line up the sights EHEL does the squared off bottom of the notch obstruct the bottom of the dot?


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I couldn't see that as occurring. It's got a very similar sight picture to the defoor front/all black rears.

[GJM]

How sharp is it, and can you post a side picture, showing how far rearward it extends?

[Gray222]

How sharp is it, and can you post a side picture, showing how far rearward it extends?

I'll take a bunch of shots after this weekend.

[Beat Trash]

Stupid question time. What's different from this Bold fear and the one that comes with the Spartan's?

[HCM]

What is the rear notch width on the BOLD sights ?

[Gray222]

Can't answer either...But will when I can.

[Hot Sauce]

Got a new rear sight from ameriglo to work with the orange front, called the "BOLD" sight.

p/BR_Nv02BrGRPerfect. I'm partial to square notches.

[DI1]

I just got a set of the Bold sights. Very similar to the Spartan set except the rear sight is serrated on the Bold. No sharp edges on the rear sight.

[SLG]

I've been running the contract sights on a few of my guns for some time now. At first I preferred the HD xr's, but now I think I prefer the Ameriglos. Under certain lighting conditions, especially indoors, the orange front sight doesn't work for me. The u notch may be contributing as well, idk, but overall, I prefer the ameriglo to the HD.

[spinmove_]

I've been running the contract sights on a few of my guns for some time now. At first I preferred the HD xr's, but now I think I prefer the Ameriglos. Under certain lighting conditions, especially indoors, the orange front sight doesn't work for me. The u notch may be contributing as well, idk, but overall, I prefer the ameriglo to the HD.

Do the HD/HD XR sights use a different orange paint than the AmeriGlos?


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[newyork]

Where are they being sold

[DI1]

Where are they being sold

I bought mine from eBay seller ameriglofactorydirect.

[Gray222]

Ameriglo Square Notch Rears with the FBI Contract front available at an intro price - FYI I get no kickbacks or anything of that nature, sharing because I am a nice guy.

Details: http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/03/ameriglo-fbi-contract-sights-with.html

http://i.imgur.com/gbV9V9q.png

[Nephrology]

Ameriglo Square Notch Rears with the FBI Contract front available at an intro price - FYI I get no kickbacks or anything of that nature, sharing because I am a nice guy.

Details: http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/03/ameriglo-fbi-contract-sights-with.html

http://i.imgur.com/gbV9V9q.png

thanks! Just ordered a pair. Ill throw them on my G17 when I get back to CO and move the existing Spartan Tacticals to another gun.

[pastaslinger]

Ameriglo Square Notch Rears with the FBI Contract front available at an intro price - FYI I get no kickbacks or anything of that nature, sharing because I am a nice guy.

Details: http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/03/ameriglo-fbi-contract-sights-with.html

http://i.imgur.com/gbV9V9q.png

You're a gentleman and a scholar

[Kanati]

Ameriglo Square Notch Rears with the FBI Contract front available at an intro price - FYI I get no kickbacks or anything of that nature, sharing because I am a nice guy.

Details: http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/03/ameriglo-fbi-contract-sights-with.html



Put an order in, thanks for the link!!

Planning on picking up a Gen 4 G26 this week, I think they'll go on that gun.

[Greg]

Thanks for the link, I snagged a set. I'm a total rear notch agnostic and that price beats HDs by a good bit.

[Steve m]

I transitioned to a similar set up. T-cap orange front, plain black 150 notch rear, after trying them side by side with the green t-caps and my proctor square notch sights, I have settled on this set up for all my G-19's.

[GAP]

Really nice intro price.. if I wasn't 100% satisfied with my Spartan sets I'd order a few. That and I like more of a drive-the-dot sight picture so I always have to go a size taller on the front.

[RAM Engineer]

I hope they make these new FBI style sights cut to fit the MOS slides.

[cathellsk]

Anyone know if these will be available in the 42/43 size in the future?

[Gray222]

Anyone know if these will be available in the 42/43 size in the future?

I was told, soon.

[El Cid]

I hope they make these new FBI style sights cut to fit the MOS slides.

Got these pics from a buddy. Doesn't appear to be much room on the MOS guns. They'd need to completely redesign the rears.

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3932_zpsqqthlpc9.png

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3933_zps5nwtivd3.png

[cathellsk]

I was told, soon.

Sweet, thanks. I may be ordering these with the square notch since I prefer those over the round. I also like the lower profile of the Ameriglos over the Trijicons.

[ffhounddog]

I have a Glock 26 and a GLock 19 that could use sights but I want to wait until I get back to the states before purchase. Those bold sights are what I was looking for awhile.

[AMC]

Any word on models for other manufacturers? Sig? Or Sig? I'd even settle for a set for Sigs. Till then... the HD XRs look like my best bet.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

Coupon code GSSF for 20% off. Just ordered two sets. This will be my first Ameriglo purchase.

[KyNate]

Made this post on my site:

http://www.vdmsr.com/2016/10/ameriglo-fbi-glock-contract-sights.html


Links are live on my site.

I have no way of verifying this without giving up the source which I won't do, opsec and all that. These sights are not publicly available as far as I know.

These new sights are looking pretty awesome but does anyone know what the FBI used on the old glock?

[ffhounddog]

Trijicon 3 dot green on green.

[rob_s]

I think it's pretty well established that *most* pistol sight discussions start out with an understanding of chasing minutiae and personal preference.

that said, I agree with the masses that these look to be an all around improvement over the HDs. Maybe not enough to change, but certainly enough to be a better option if buying fresh.

[jwperry]

Any word on models for other manufacturers? Sig? Or Sig? I'd even settle for a set for Sigs. Till then... the HD XRs look like my best bet.

No interest in the Sig X-Ray sights? These are essentially that, except with an orange dot.

[MSparks909]

I took my Sig X-Rays off both my 226 and 229 Legion and replaced them with Trijicon HD XRs. I like the narrower front sight of the XR and I don't like green front sights (X-Ray).

[jwperry]

I took my Sig X-Rays off both my 226 and 229 Legion and replaced them with Trijicon HD XRs. I like the narrower front sight of the XR and I don't like green front sights (X-Ray).

I prefer the brighter Trijicon green over the Sig green myself, but when comparing directly to the X-Ray sights to the FBI Ameriglo I'm not seeing too much of a difference other than front dot color.

[MSparks909]

The only thing I don't like about the new HD XRs and even these Ameriglo sights is the rear notch width. .165 is too wide, IMO. I wish it was .140-.150. Tighten up the sight picture so it's easier to get parallel deviation for 20Y + shots.

[4gallonbucket]

Anybody know the height of these sights? Are they 0.165" front and rear like the standard Glock factory sights?


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[AMC]

No interest in the Sig X-Ray sights? These are essentially that, except with an orange dot.

Like MSparks909 said, the thinner front is what I'm after. The XRays, while highly visible, are even wider than the HDs (.150 front versus .144 for the HDs). For my eyes, the thinner front helps with speed up close, and with precision on small targets at distance as well. The rear notch width of the HD XRs makes me hesitate a bit, but I run a set of Warren's on my Competition 226 that have a .115 fiber front and .150 rear.....Seems to work for me, at least. Ratio is nearly the same for the HD XRs.

[pangloss]

Coupon code GSSF for 20% off. Just ordered two sets. This will be my first Ameriglo purchase.

That code is only good for 10% now, but I'm happy to have it.

[Gio]

I've been using these sights for a few weeks now and I think they are the best night sight option on the market. The front to rear width ratio is ideal to me and they aren't sharp like HD sights on the rear.

[scw2]

Any idea on how these compare to the ProGlo fronts? Considering picking up a pair for the new G19 I'm switching to, which come with the ProGlo fronts with Spaulding Unotch rear. Not sure whether I'll prefer the square notch, plus the price with 10% off is hard to beat...

[Nephrology]

Any idea on how these compare to the ProGlo fronts? Considering picking up a pair for the new G19 I'm switching to, which come with the ProGlo fronts with Spaulding Unotch rear. Not sure whether I'll prefer the square notch, plus the price with 10% off is hard to beat...

Should be the same... but thinner. ProGlos are 0.140" wide.

[Artemas2]

Anybody know the height of these sights? Are they 0.165" front and rear like the standard Glock factory sights?

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I am getting .196 on the front sight
.191 on the rear
and .263 on the rear from the dovetail side

[coN]

Im thinking of replacing some TruGlo Tritium Pro's on my Glock 26 with these. All my Amerglo sights seems to be the "cut your target in half/top of the blade" sight picture whereas the Tritium Pro's seem to be a combat style sight picture which covers up the target completely. Can anyone confirm if the sight picture used is the former and not the latter? I was going to go with a set of Meprolight's but if i can get a more subtle rear sight without the big rear dots screaming at me along with the ability to see the target, im in for a set.

Now a side question, has anyone compared them to a T-Cap front and a Pro Operator rear? That is my favorite setup along with i-Dot Pro's.

[texasaggie2005]

Got a new rear sight from ameriglo to work with the orange front, called the "BOLD" sight.

p/BR_Nv02BrGR

Thanks for the heads up on these. I was needing/wanting some new sights, so I now I should have a set in hand Monday.

[wrt81]

Thanks voodoo for the heads up on these. I ordered two sets and received them Saturday. I installed a set on my G19 tonight. I had Trijicon HDs on before. I like the HDs but wanted to try the thinner front and go back to a square notch. So far I like these a lot. I hope to get to the range this week and try them out.

https://i.imgur.com/s86misa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5hKJMkH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eHXeaNx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/36kH6BZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RwRq7L1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ax9RZt2.jpg

[pangloss]

Mine arrived today, and I just finished pushing mine onto a G19. I've been using 10-8 performance rear (0.156") with a 10-8 brass bead front sight. I really like the 10-8 sights, but the Ameriglos have left me with a great first impression. I'll be extra glad when Thursday gets here and I can try them out on the range. I think I will like the square notch more than the the U.

[texasaggie2005]

wrt81 & pangloss

I too received mine yesterday. How bright is your front tritium compared to the rear? My rears are at least 25% brighter than my front when placed side by side.

[spinmove_]

Thanks voodoo for the heads up on these. I ordered two sets and received them Saturday. I installed a set on my G19 tonight. I had Trijicon HDs on before. I like the HDs but wanted to try the thinner front and go back to a square notch. So far I like these a lot. I hope to get to the range this week and try them out.

https://i.imgur.com/s86misa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5hKJMkH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eHXeaNx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/36kH6BZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RwRq7L1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ax9RZt2.jpg

This might just be camera perspective, but do the dots line up when you present on target or do the rear tritium vials line up below where the front vial sits?


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[Gray222]

When you guys start running them report back. I'll have a review up in a few weeks of both the unotch and bold.

[pangloss]

texasaggie2005

I didn't notice any difference between mine, but I spent less than a minute with them in the dark. I'll take a closer look when I get home, but if it were too different, I think/hope I would have noticed.

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[rd62]

Mine just came in today and will be going on my G17. If I like them enough I'll pick up another couple sets.

[pangloss]

wrt81 & pangloss

I too received mine yesterday. How bright is your front tritium compared to the rear? My rears are at least 25% brighter than my front when placed side by side.

I just checked mine, and I can't see a difference. I closed my eyes for ~30 seconds and was in a dark room when I checked. If there is a difference, it's below my limit of detection.

[Kanati]

Mine showed up yesterday.

The new gen 4 G26 that I was going to put them on didn't happen, I bought a G34 instead. After some thought, I decided I'd install the sights on a G19. Installation was smooth, tho the rear sight is TIGHT in the dovetail.

I ran a quick box of WWB thru this afternoon, and was really pleased with the sight picture and how trackable the front sight is. Didn't measure anything today, but my mark 1 eyeball was happy with POA / POI.

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[wrt81]

wrt81 & pangloss

I too received mine yesterday. How bright is your front tritium compared to the rear? My rears are at least 25% brighter than my front when placed side by side.

I just checked both sets I have and neither have that issue. They both seem equal brightness between front/rear. I'd contact Ameriglo, you may have gotten a "weak" tritium vial?

[wrt81]

This might just be camera perspective, but do the dots line up when you present on target or do the rear tritium vials line up below where the front vial sits?


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I just checked this and the real vials might be just a smidge lower when the top of of the sights are aligned.

[spinmove_]

I just checked this and the real vials might be just a smidge lower when the top of of the sights are aligned.

Yeah, that's what I figured. I ran into the same problem with AmeriGlo Operator sights.


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[Greg]

Mine came in, waiting for my G19 prize pistol (GSSF) to arrive as it is the intended home. I like em.

Thanks for the info on these sights VDM!

[BaiHu]

In tonight too. Hope to get them on by the weekend.

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[vandal]

Shot with my copy today. I really like the sight picture in that it has more light around the front sight, and the square notch seems like I would do better with it.

But orange is a no-go for my eyes. That color makes the front sight totally blur out. I shot two G19s side by side, one with yellow-front original HDs and one with these sights. I shot significantly better with the HDs, largely because I could make out the edges of the front sight.

I hope a thin yellow front HD becomes available from Ameriglo -- I'll swap to that and repeat the experiment.

[BaiHu]

Shot the Ameriglo side by side to my HD and I shot them identically at 15 yds (indoor range). I like the wide open view on the Ameriglos, but for me, right now, I'm unsure of any difference other than price and look.
All pictures are Ameriglo then HD.
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[pangloss]

I shot a mine today on a Gen4 G19. This is a new pistol, so I have more than just the sights as a variable, but except for the different sights and not having a Gadget, this pistol is identical to my practice pistol. I only put 50 rounds through the gun, and those weren't particularly careful shots as this range trip was primarily a social outing. However, at this point I don't seem to shoot as well as with my practice pistol. My friend has a G17 with factory sights and I was pretty bad with it today too, so I could just be having an off day. Hopefully I can make it to the range again on Thursday and do a direct comparison between my two G19s.

[mattyb]

I want to order these, not a fan of my stock sights. How easy are they to install? Any suggestions on a sight pusher?

-Matt

[BillSWPA]

I want to order these, not a fan of my stock sights. How easy are they to install? Any suggestions on a sight pusher?

-Matt

MGW sight installation tool from Brownells. Expensive but definitely a case of getting what you pay for.


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[BaiHu]

MGW sight installation tool from Brownells. Expensive but definitely a case of getting what you pay for.


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Did just this and it was easy peazy.
FYI: my outing the other day was 2 identical G4 G19s other than HD vs Ameriglo sights.

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[Kanati]

Can't speak to pistols other than Glocks, but I've had zero issue with this. I've done G43 and 19/17/26/34 sized slides, works like a champ.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170409/33362912fc293082586cb2d17489bdd5.jpg


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[Gray222]

Can't speak to pistols other than Glocks, but I've had zero issue with this. I've gone G43, and 19/17/26/34 sized slides, works like a champ.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170409/33362912fc293082586cb2d17489bdd5.jpg


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I've got this type of cheapy setup.

It's pretty good to go once you figure out how to use it properly.

[pangloss]

I want to order these, not a fan of my stock sights. How easy are they to install? Any suggestions on a sight pusher?

-Matt

I think there are several new pushers on the market now. I bought the MGW pusher for straight-sided sites several years ago. I've almost used it enough to save back the cost of paying some one to swap out the sights. My MGW pusher does a great job on Glock 17/19/26 slides with sights with straight vertical sides. If I were buying a pusher now, I'd look for one that can handle multiple brands guns and multiple geometry sights.

[BaiHu]

Can't speak to pistols other than Glocks, but I've had zero issue with this. I've done G43 and 19/17/26/34 sized slides, works like a champ.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170409/33362912fc293082586cb2d17489bdd5.jpg


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Have this too. Friend gave it away as he chewed up his sights on his Sig. It needs TONS of protection when pushing out the rear sights. 2 sets have been slightly marred due to the pusher.

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[El Cid]

I have the MGW rear tool and love it. Snagged the adapter for the 42/43 last year.

For front sights I tried a couple and found them wanting. Ended up with this and love it!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000O5ILUM/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1