View Full Version : At last! I can mount MOAR bayonets!
Drang
10-05-2016, 02:09 PM
Geissele Picatinny Bayonet Mount - The Firearm Blog (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/05/geissele-picatinny-bayonet-mount/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss)
Quad rail + 4 of these + 4 M7 bayonets...
Srs question: I've never served, but has there been any recent (this century?) action in which American forces used the command "Fix Bayonets"?
That Guy
10-05-2016, 04:34 PM
Not what you asked, but I know the British have used bayonets successfully in the latest wars.
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Drang
10-05-2016, 04:42 PM
The Most Famous Bayonet Charge Of Modern Conflict - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-famous-bayonet-charge-of-modern-conflict-2012-10)
The Most Famous Bayonet Charge Of Modern Conflict - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-famous-bayonet-charge-of-modern-conflict-2012-10)
Damn.
Were those Royal Marines?
Drang
10-05-2016, 04:50 PM
Were those Royal Marines?
According the the linked Beeb article, A Company, 1st Battalion the Princess of Wales' Royal Regiment
Not what you asked, but I know the British have used bayonets successfully in the latest wars.
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Ya, I have to say, when I hear anyone talk about bayonets, this is what's in my head:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DiO7HDnacDE
According the the linked Beeb article, A Company, 1st Battalion the Princess of Wales' Royal Regiment
Good stuff.
I had the privilege of working with the British Army for about 3 years in the 90s. Very professional guys.
Mostly we dealt with senior NCOs in Mech / Armor Bns, but I did get to meet a 1 star who came through our training facility at Paderborn Barracks.
Drang
10-05-2016, 04:54 PM
I tend to remember my battalion commander breaking his elbow on the first obstacle on the bayonet course at Ft Ord, but the number of folks there that day is kind of a small sample size...
I tend to remember my battalion commander breaking his elbow on the first obstacle on the bayonet course at Ft Ord, but the number of folks there that day is kind of a small sample size...
You might like this story.
We supplied a pretty large networked simulation system for the British Army, at the Battlegroup level (Mech: Warrior IFV, Armor: Challenger 2). So after we turned the system over to the Maintenance Contractor (this was our installation in Warminster, the home of mechanised training in the UK) we had quite the run on replacement browpads.
(For those who might now know, the browpad is a small soft part that you place your forehead on when using the gun sight of the main tank cannon (120 mm / Challenger 2) we were simulating.)
Anyway, we did a FRACAS analysis on our spares, because we really did not spare all that many browpads, to be honest, in our spares allotment.
Come to find out, we had had a couple Scots Regiments (Black Watch, IIRC) come through.
Apparently the guys got bored on their exercises and started to chew on the browpads.
I swear I am not making this up.
Wondering Beard
10-05-2016, 05:22 PM
The Most Famous Bayonet Charge Of Modern Conflict - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-famous-bayonet-charge-of-modern-conflict-2012-10)
To be fair, they know they're armed with SA 80s.
SeriousStudent
10-05-2016, 07:57 PM
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Come to find out, we had had a couple Scots Regiments (Black Watch, IIRC) come through.
Apparently the guys got bored on their exercises and started to chew on the browpads.
I swear I am not making this up.
Which was probably considered an improvement on typical British cooking.
Drang
10-05-2016, 08:02 PM
Which was probably considered an improvement on typical British cooking.
Thought it was haggis.
SeriousStudent
10-05-2016, 10:14 PM
I've tasted haggis. My sweatband from my old Kevlar helmet tasted better.
That Guy
10-06-2016, 12:11 AM
But why did you taste the sweatband of your helmet? Unless of course it was to get the taste of haggis out of your mouth...
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SeriousStudent
10-06-2016, 07:06 PM
But why did you taste the sweatband of your helmet? Unless of course it was to get the taste of MRE Ham/Turkey Loaf out of your mouth...
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FIFY.
c713d
10-10-2016, 08:20 AM
I can't speak to the other services, but in the USMC, we still receive bayonet training at boot. It is also integrated throughout our MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program) training. Some of the guys I talked to said they had bayonets mounted in Fallujah, and a couple of the other MOUT operations, but from what they said, didn't ever use them (people were either too far, or got inside the bayonets range and they had to transition to a regular knife.)
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Drang
10-10-2016, 12:24 PM
The Army reportedly dropped bayonet drill form basic back in 2010 or so. I deplored the move in a blog post at the time, which is part of why me and rifle-mounted pig-stickers have become a small running joke.
The news items I linked at the time have disappeared, but Time magazine does cite the Marine Corps' conduct of bayonet training in boot, in response to Obama bloviating about stuff he knows nothing about during one of the 2012 debates. (So, Does the Military Still Use Bayonets? | TIME.com (http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/23/so-does-the-military-still-use-bayonets/))
The WaPo version of that story does say the Army stopped bayonet drill in 2010. (Do troops still use bayonets? - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/22/do-troops-still-use-bayonets/))
Bayonet drill is an excellent tool for instilling esprit, and an aggressive fighting spirit without the troops actually going hands-on with each other, which can be an issue. (How many recruits do you want limping around, unable to do half of their training? Especially these days, when many of them use a treadmill to walk the dog?)
That Guy
10-10-2016, 11:40 PM
The Army reportedly dropped bayonet drill form basic back in 2010 or so.
That does sound like a stupid decision.
(Hm. Unlike my AK, my AR didn't come with a bayonet. I don't even know if one will fit. (16" Colt with Magpul MOE SL handguard.) All this talk of bayonets makes me want to get one and try. Because reasons. :o) )
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