Glock low-profile magazine wells

[Nephrology]

So, I have a Gen 4 Glock 35 that I am tuning up to serve as both a home defense/winter OWB carry pistol as well as a gun for USPSA limited. I know that the best way to produce a USPSA limited Glock 35 would make it also a poor choice for a carry gun, but then again I am not planning on shooting that much limited. If I do end up loving limited, don't worry, I will get a dedicated match gun.

Anyway, point is, I want a magwell on this gun that isn't huge and bulky like the Dawson ICE, even if it may do a better job at begin a magwell than the low profile/duty/concealment magwells I am considering. The ones on my radar are :

Agency Arms
Raven Freya (formerly a Sentinel Designs product)
ZevTech Pro
ALG Defense
Salient/VTac
Suarez Industries

For those of you with experience with any/all of the above designs, what do you think is best for my purpose? I am leaning towards the ALG item as it would add weight to the gun which would be desirable for gun games and not unwelcome for home defense/carry so long as function isn't impeded. That said, it also seems like it would be difficult to strip a stuck mag with the ALG item and I've heard mixed things about the quality of this part.

Raven Freya seems like the best duty-oriented magwell of the above, giving you some room for your fingers to strip a stuck mag. Agency Arms/Salient/Suarez appear to be 6 of one, half dozen of the other. Haven't seen a lot of good in depth reviews on these products.

The Zevtech Pro magwell is especially interesting as it looks like it splits the difference between duty and performance qualities, but I've read that it can cause frame flex that might result in a stuck mag or, potentially, malfunction with my G35 (it must run reliably with a weaponlight).

This is all that I've been able to gather independently - anyone with first hand experience with some/all of the above magwells that could chime in?

Note- I know that in the past at least one of these threads has become a massive debate about the utility of this kind of magwell. If you feel that way, you're welcome to chime in, but just for the sake of getting information on the above products, please at least say which magwell(s) you've tried and why you think they're inferior to a grip plug. Just please don't turn this into a poo flinging contest.

[Gray222]

I just got a freya in the mail.

Gata put some time on it to see how I like it.

Not for carrying though, just too big.

[Nephrology]

I just got a freya in the mail.

Gata put some time on it to see how I like it.

Not for carrying though, just too big.

For the record, the G35 I would be putting the magwell on would be for outside the waistband carry under a heavy winter jacket. This gun will likely never be carried IWB.

Do let me know how you like the Freya, though. They're out of their 4th gen full size model but I'm in no rush to buy just yet.

[El Cid]

I haven't tried any of the lower profile, concealed carry style of magwell and am not sure I've ever felt like the gun needs one. I do have the ALG magwell and use it for 2 reasons. One, it was free when buying the 6 Second Mount during a promotion. And 2, it helps restore the balance to the pistol. It's a G17L so with the optic and mount the extra weight at the magwell balances it nicely. It's my HD/nightstand pistol so I'm not wearing it out in public.

Overall the fit and finish is great (like everything I've tried from the Geissele family). It has a brass weight and locks in securely. Not sure if it's Gen 4 compatible as my 17L is a gen 3.

The one thing I'll warn about is it doesn't work with LAV floor plates or the Arredondo +5 extensions. The TTI extensions do work perfectly though. OEM floor plates (including +2's) work perfectly as do the 10-8 versions. The ETS mags work and so do the Magpul 17rd mags.

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[Nephrology]

I haven't tried any of the lower profile, concealed carry style of magwell and am not sure I've ever felt like the gun needs one. I do have the ALG magwell and use it for 2 reasons. One, it was free when buying the 6 Second Mount during a promotion. And 2, it helps restore the balance to the pistol. It's a G17L so with the optic and mount the extra weight at the magwell balances it nicely. It's my HD/nightstand pistol so I'm not wearing it out in public.

Overall the fit and finish is great (like everything I've tried from the Geissele family). It has a brass weight and locks in securely. Not sure if it's Gen 4 compatible as my 17L is a gen 3.

The one thing I'll warn about is it doesn't work with LAV floor plates or the Arredondo +5 extensions. The TTI extensions do work perfectly though. OEM floor plates (including +2's) work perfectly as do the 10-8 versions. The ETS mags work and do the Magpul 17rd mags.

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That's awesome - thanks for the input! The balance of the gun is definitely something I'd like to improve, as the G35 w/ TLR-1 makes for a very front-heavy gun.

[GJM]

We have the Sentinel, and maybe a Rogers, on two of my wife's Glock 34 range pistols. Her other two 34 pistols have just a grip plug. These pistols get shot a lot with minimal maintenance, and live in range bags that go into planes, and generally lead a hard life. Seems like they frequently are coming loose, which I find out about when my wife says "hey, the magwell is falling off." Interestingly, I don't see her reloads being faster with the magwell, as the standard Glock with a grip plug is quite easy to load fast, with some practice.

[Nephrology]

We have the Sentinel, and maybe a Rogers, on two of my wife's Glock 34 range pistols. Her other two 34 pistols have just a grip plug. These pistols get shot a lot with minimal maintenance, and live in range bags that go into planes, and generally lead a hard life. Seems like they frequently are coming loose, which I find out about when my wife says "hey, the magwell is falling off." Interestingly, I don't see her reloads being faster with the magwell, as the standard Glock with a grip plug is quite easy to load fast, with some practice.

Thanks for the input. Has your wife tried using loctite to keep the screw in place?

and yeah - I should mention another reason that I am leaning towards the ALG unit is the added heft of the brass weight, which I wouldn't get from the sentinel or similar designs (AA, etc)

[Ob1sbo]

I just got a freya in the mail.

Gata put some time on it to see how I like it.

Not for carrying though, just too big.

That sounds like a challenge...


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[GJM]

Thanks for the input. Has your wife tried using loctite to keep the screw in place?

and yeah - I should mention another reason that I am leaning towards the ALG unit is the added heft of the brass weight, which I wouldn't get from the sentinel or similar designs (AA, etc)

Ha, that would be me, as she has people for that sort of thing. I think so, in years past.

The ALG unit looks interesting to me, too.

[Nephrology]

Ha, that would be me, as she has people for that sort of thing. I think so, in years past.

The ALG unit looks interesting to me, too.

I need aftermarket baseplates on my .40 mags anyway...

[Gray222]

I have it on my G17L. It feels at home there.

I tried it on my gen 3 g19 and it felt weird.

Pix are on my IG.

[JSGlock34]

I have a Freya on my G19 'Roland'...discovered that I had a surprisingly large number of the OEM G19 magazines that are not compatible...

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[Gray222]

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[DOZER460]

I have the salient/vtac on my gen 3 17. I have had it on for 2 years. It has been my EDC off and on and I have used it in some competitions without a single issue. I am very pleased with how it performs.

[martin_j001]

I have tried the Agency (on a G17, G19 and G34) as well as the Zev Pro (on a G17), and my "game gun" G34 wears the Dawson Precision ICE. For my hand size, the magwell did not work well for me on a G19. As the G17 is now my carry gun, the inability to strip out a mag with a standard baseplate made me sell off the others. The Zev Pro has a larger "funnel" area than the Agency for sure, without much added footprint.

[msstate56]

I have several of the Agency Arms G19 magwells as well as a couple of the VTAC/Salient ones. I definitely prefer the Agency version for a carry gun, it is very well rounded with no sharp/pointy edges. I've been using these models for several years on duty and off.

Whichever you choose, I recommend blue loctite on the screws and some silicone adhesive around the magwell. I put a small bead on before I install the magwell, and wipe off the excess. It helps the bond the magwell around the grip, but can still be removed if needed.

[karmapolice]

I have a freya on my 19 but I use it as a reverse magwell, meaning that my hands are fat and the freya lets the mag fall free whe performing a reload. Otherwise my hands have a tendency to pinch the mag base plate and thus not letting the mag fall free. On a full size Glock I don't really see the need for one at all, I think Surfs internal magwell mod would be better suited.

[SLG]

OP,

Which did you end up with? What do you think?

I'm not trolling you. I mention that as I assume you were talking about me from the last thread. I was very grumpy then, and though I was mostly serious, some of it was definitely my own sense of humor. Which I realize isn't widely appreciated outside of my head. Formal apology about that, to all involved.

[LSP552]

...... some of it was definitely my own sense of humor. Which I realize isn't widely appreciated outside of my head. Formal apology about that, to all involved.

Hey, I like, and get, you humor. But then again I may have a similar problem...

[SLG]

Hey, I like, and get, you humor. But then again I may have a similar problem...

Ahhh, a true connoisseur:-) What are you doing slumming here?;-) The drinks are terrible...

I'd like to say I'm funnier in real life, but that might not be correct...

[Nephrology]

OP,

Which did you end up with? What do you think?

I'm not trolling you. I mention that as I assume you were talking about me from the last thread. I was very grumpy then, and though I was mostly serious, some of it was definitely my own sense of humor. Which I realize isn't widely appreciated outside of my head. Formal apology about that, to all involved.

Actually, I didn't end up going with any of the aftermarket magwells... I started carrying my G35 and had decided to commit to the ALG magwell if I wasn't going to carry it. That has since been replaced with my G17, so now I am looking at them again... not a high fiscal priority for me right now, however.

As for the thread that I referenced in the OP, I still found it informative and I take things less seriously than most so I am not bothered by grumpiness. You consistently have very insightful things to say so I wouldn't worry about your message getting lost - I always pay attention to your opinion, no matter how it's voiced :P

[littlejerry]

I recently tried a G22 9mm gamer gun and was surprised at how flat shooting it was compared to my 34. The 22 had a conversion barrel, stainless guide rod, and DP ICE mag well. The added weight of the components made the gun docile and the sights tracked far more naturally than any Glock I've ever shot before.

We swapped uppers/lowers to try and see where the difference was. It was hard to pin anyone bit as being the secret sauce, but I also noticed the mag well forced my hand higher on the grip vs the 34.

Now I'm shopping for mag wells with brass inserts.

[NickDrak]

Ive been running the ZEV PRO in my G19 and on my G17.

Zero issues with frame flex/binding.

The flare on the ZEV PRO is very generous but it doesn't stick out or have any areas that hinder concealment.

The front ledge on the ZEV PRO locks my grip in like a vice and offers a perfect leverage point for my pinky finger to apply rear/downward for to help mitigate muzzle rise.

I run 10-8 Performance standard baseplates on both guns and while it is a little tight, there is still room to grab the front edge of the baseplate to rip the mags out incase they get stuck. All of my mags drop-free from the ZEV PRO magwell

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[GJM]

Does the Zev Pro work with OEM mags with regular base plates?

[NickDrak]

Does the Zev Pro work with OEM mags with regular base plates?

For sure.

[GJM]

For sure.

Thank you. How does the Zev Pro compare to the Agency Arms product?

[OnionsAndDragons]

I really like how little bulk that ZevPro seems to add. That's pretty nice.

[NickDrak]

Thank you. How does the Zev Pro compare to the Agency Arms product?

I've shot a little with a friends G19 with the Agency mag well. The funnel in the ZEV has a much larger funnel to it without adding much/any bulk.

[JCS]

Taran Tactical has a new carry magwell http://tarantacticalinnovations.com/carry-magwell-for-glock-19-23/

There's a lot of companies coming out with these now. Blacklist Industries has one as well.

Dues ex machina guns also http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161122/bffb669266d13b827cc172ec6de801ff.png

[NickDrak]

That Deus Ex Machina looks legit but nothing for the Gen4 yet.

[Nephrology]

Ive been running the ZEV PRO in my G19 and on my G17.

Zero issues with frame flex/binding.

The flare on the ZEV PRO is very generous but it doesn't stick out or have any areas that hinder concealment.

The front ledge on the ZEV PRO locks my grip in like a vice and offers a perfect leverage point for my pinky finger to apply rear/downward for to help mitigate muzzle rise.

I run 10-8 Performance standard baseplates on both guns and while it is a little tight, there is still room to grab the front edge of the baseplate to rip the mags out incase they get stuck. All of my mags drop-free from the ZEV PRO magwell

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Awesome photos - thanks much for the write-up!

[TAZ]

Ive been running the ZEV PRO in my G19 and on my G17.

Zero issues with frame flex/binding.

The flare on the ZEV PRO is very generous but it doesn't stick out or have any areas that hinder concealment.

The front ledge on the ZEV PRO locks my grip in like a vice and offers a perfect leverage point for my pinky finger to apply rear/downward for to help mitigate muzzle rise.

I run 10-8 Performance standard baseplates on both guns and while it is a little tight, there is still room to grab the front edge of the baseplate to rip the mags out incase they get stuck. All of my mags drop-free from the ZEV PRO

Man. That ZEV PRO looks small and concealable. Was thinking about going with the agency due to the angled heel, but the ZEV looks considerably smaller. Sux they don't have anything listed for a G19 gen 4.

[Gray222]

Anyone have a line on a black-friday discount on the zev pro?

[NickDrak]

Man. That ZEV PRO looks small and concealable. Was thinking about going with the agency due to the angled heel, but the ZEV looks considerably smaller. Sux they don't have anything listed for a G19 gen 4.

The ZEV PRO is universal. Works on Gen3 or Gen4 Glocks. Mine is a Gen4.
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[NickDrak]

Anyone have a line on a black-friday discount on the zev pro?

They are having some BF sales on their website. Not sure if the PRO magwell is included though.

[TAZ]

The ZEV PRO is universal. Works on Gen3 or Gen4 Glocks. Mine is a Gen4.
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You just cost me some $$. Thanks for the reply.

[Gray222]

They are having some BF sales on their website. Not sure if the PRO magwell is included though.

It's not and I am still looking for one...

[GJM]

Received my full price Zev Pro magwell for the G19 from Midway.

One piece design, installs securely and appears very well made. Unfortunately, it messes up my hand position, doesn't allow mags with OEM base plates to be easily stripped, and worst of all, slows my reloads.

[98z28]

Received my full price Zev Pro magwell for the G19 from Midway.

One piece design, installs securely and appears very well made. Unfortunately, it messes up my hand position, doesn't allow mags with OEM base plates to be easily stripped, and worst of all, slows my reloads.


That's really interesting. Voodoo's pictures make the funnel look generous. Can you elaborate on how it's slowing things down?

I have an Agency Arms magwell on a Gen4 G19 I've been playing with a bit lately. Got it in a trade and decided to try it out before selling. With the caveat that I don't work reloads very hard, it hasn't increased the speed or reliability of my reloads in a meaningful way. It does work great as a "reverse" magwell - allowing mags to easily drop free when the meat of my palm tries to keep them from dropping. I also like how it changes the grip. The flared portion on the bottom of the grip forces my hand a touch higher and gives me a bit more leverage.

The Agency unit doesn't leave much room to strip a standard G19 mag, but the Vickers baseplates work fine with it and they provide nice scalloped sides to strip a mag if needed.

[Gray222]

That's really interesting. Voodoo's pictures make the funnel look generous. Can you elaborate on how it's slowing things down?

I have an Agency Arms magwell on a Gen4 G19 I've been playing with a bit lately. Got it in a trade and decided to try it out before selling. With the caveat that I don't work reloads very hard, it hasn't increased the speed or reliability of my reloads in a meaningful way. It does work great as a "reverse" magwell - allowing mags to easily drop free when the meat of my palm tries to keep them from dropping. I also like how it changes the grip. The flared portion on the bottom of the grip forces my hand a touch higher and gives me a bit more leverage.

The Agency unit doesn't leave much room to strip a standard G19 mag, but the Vickers baseplates work fine with it and they provide nice scalloped sides to strip a mag if needed.

I don't have a Zev Pro...I am still looking for one..


Received my full price Zev Pro magwell for the G19 from Midway.

One piece design, installs securely and appears very well made. Unfortunately, it messes up my hand position, doesn't allow mags with OEM base plates to be easily stripped, and worst of all, slows my reloads.



If you don't want it please let me know how much you want for it.

[98z28]

I don't have a Zev Pro...I am still looking for one..

If you don't want it please let me know how much you want for it.

Doh...Those were Nick's pictures. Sorry Voodoo. That's what I get for reading while waiting for something else to load.

I'll definitely let you know if I decide to sell. At the moment, I can't imagine paying for more to put on my other G19s, so I'll probably get rid of it at some point.

[JCS]

Spam.

Sights and ammo. I wouldn't put much stock in that list.

[BaiHu]

Sights and ammo. I wouldn't put much stock in that list.
The plug too.

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[SLG]

Spam.

Are you interested in personalizing your gun, or simply having a good gun to shoot? The lists may be quite different.

If you have to ask though, then I would say "ammo". Nothing else unless you carry the gun or use it for HD. In that case, night sights if it doesn't already have them. Then ammo.

I'm partial to a few other things, but they are for me, not you. You need to see what your shooting tells you you need.

[Cookie Monster]

Sights and ammo. I wouldn't put much stock in that list.

It's funny that sights are #6. Sights and ammo. I wouldn't change anything else until I got 1000 rounds through the gun and 5000 dry presses.

You could get a good Holster if you want to buy stuff, or good eye/ear pro, or more magazines or a good handheld light.

[Buckshot]

I thoght magwells on carry glocks were stupid until I tried it. I've been running the Suarez magwell on my primary G19 for about 6 mos & I'm tickled with it. that slight swell at the base keeps my little piggy from getting squished during the now quicker mag changes & it helps to lock my fist into a high hold during firing. It looks quite a bit like the Agency Arms well & if I was to do it all over, I'd likely buy the AA version just because Gabe & stuff,,,