p30 take down???

[rockymtnnut]

I have a p30 with the lem trigger. I had a lighter trigger return spring installed. When I broke the pistol down to clean I pulled the slide stop all the way out. When I put it back in it broke my return spring. The armorer that installed the spring said I wasn't supposed to pull the slide stop all the way out , instead only partially. If this is true what keeps the slide stop secured? I almost did it again after the next session when I cleaned it . My usp always broke down with the complete removal of the slide stop. Can someone help?

[JM Campbell]

You only pull out the slide stop as far as the red marking ontop of the lever. You do not remove the lever.

[ToddG]

The P30, based on customer requests, is different from the other P2000/USP series guns in this regard. As Skyline says, you only pull the takedown lever out until it stops moving. The lever is retained in the gun by the trigger return spring and forcing the lever past its intended stop point can damage or break the spring.

[rockymtnnut]

Thank you . With the lighter return spring is there a detent that possibly is not catching that allowed me to pull it all the way out?? Just wanted to say thanks for turning me on to the lem Todd. I would have never given a lem trigger a second thought until your p30 test now I am hooked.

[zml342]

With the lighter return spring is there a detent that possibly is not catching that allowed me to pull it all the way out??

The slide stop lever can come all the way out; however, for a simple field strip it does not need to. As you push the lever out you should hear a little "click" as the knotch in the lever arm catches the TRS. If you pull and further/harder the lever will come all the way out. Doing this repeatedly will cause the spring to break.

[ToddG]

The slide stop lever can come all the way out; however, for a simple field strip it does not need to. As you push the lever out you should hear a little "click" as the knotch in the lever arm catches the TRS. If you pull and further/harder the lever will come all the way out. Doing this repeatedly will cause the spring to break.

This is not correct. The lever is not intended to come out unless you manually disengage the trigger return spring from the pin. The trigger return spring is probably the only common wear item on the P30, abusing it by forcefully yanking the takedown lever out is a bad idea in my opinion.

rocky -- If someone installed a non-P30 spring in your gun (e.g., I tend to use P2000 LEM trigger springs because they're abundant) then it will not have the same "leg" that engages the takedown lever pin and the takedown lever will come completely out of the gun.

[zml342]

Todd- thank you for the correction.

Rocky- sorry for the wrong information.

[rockymtnnut]

Thanks Todd for the info the original spring is square stock and the lighter spring is round and definitely less significant.

[rockymtnnut]

Todd- thank you for the correction.

Rocky- sorry for the wrong information.

No problem learn something new everyday.

[bobdavis]

I just picked up a used v3 P30, and the slide stop pulls all the way out easily - there's no "catch" in there that I can feel. It goes back together without being forced though.

Is this a LEM/DA-SA issue or has something been changed in my pistol that I should look into prior to shooting?

bob

[ToddG]

It almost certainly has a P2000 trigger return spring instead of the original P30 spring. Nothing to worry about unless you dislike the feel of the trigger pull.

It's also possible the extra long leg of a regular spring simply broke after another user tried to force the takedown lever out of the gun.

[bobdavis]

Thanks Todd - is there anything I can do to test?

on a separate note, the grip panels appear to have "stuff" in the open areas of the spider web - as if it wore off skin or sun block or something from the prior owner. Anyone else seen this? What did you use to clean it?

bob



It almost certainly has a P2000 trigger return spring instead of the original P30 spring. Nothing to worry about unless you dislike the feel of the trigger pull.

It's also possible the extra long leg of a regular spring simply broke after another user tried to force the takedown lever out of the gun.

[ToddG]

Thanks Todd - is there anything I can do to test?

Yes. If I had my P30 in front of me I could help more, but a P30 trigger spring goes in "opposite" of a P2000 spring -- both are perfectly functional in the gun and I actually prefer the P2000 LEM spring -- and you can tell which version is installed simply by looking behind the trigger. I just don't know off the top of my head which side is which.


on a separate note, the grip panels appear to have "stuff" in the open areas of the spider web - as if it wore off skin or sun block or something from the prior owner.

Ewwwwwww. Gross.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/038/924/KillItWithFire.jpg

[bobdavis]

Ewwwwwww. Gross.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/038/924/KillItWithFire.jpg


Maybe the Mrs. had his Ped Egg?

http://www.amazon.com/Pedicure-Foot-File-Colors-vary/dp/B00113FENI

bob

[JV_]

I just don't know off the top of my head which side is which.

I'm pretty sure that the P30 spring has the long leg on the right and the P2000 spring has it's top leg on the left.

[JV_]

I'm pretty sure that the P30 spring has the long leg on the right
Here's a pic of a P30 spring:
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?3351-HK-crowd-help-P30-down&p=56576&viewfull=1#post56576

[JM Campbell]

Remove panels, use old toothbrush and simple green...works wonders.

[BaiHu]

I'm totally confused here and I think I might be losing something in translation, so I'll explain to you guys what I do with my P30L after I've cleared it and I'm ready to disassemble and clean.

A) Send the slide back beyond the slide lock and line up the take down lever with the square notch and pull the slide stop out towards me until I see the top red edge and then it stops moving.
B) Slide the slide off the front of the frame.
C) I'm a RH shooter, so looking down the back of the gun, I take the right side lever and lift it up until it clicks at about 10 o'clock if you are facing that side of the gun where the muzzle is pointed to your right.
D) I remove the 'passive' right side lever and that allows me to get the 'active' left side slide lock out of the frame.

I clean everything up and then I follow the above in reverse order. After 10k plus rounds with a cleaning at every 500-1000 rounds, I've always done it this way. Is this a particular issue with LEM and P2K triggers only?

Forgive my vernacular above, I'm not a gunsmith :o

[bobdavis]

Here's a pic of a P30 spring:
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?3351-HK-crowd-help-P30-down&p=56576&viewfull=1#post56576

Thanks! What I see is that the correct spring is there, it is however, bent over to the left and not engaging any "step" or catch in the slide lever pin (or whatever you'd call that). It's there, but kicked over. Someone gorilla'd that out.

bob

[bobdavis]

Remove panels, use old toothbrush and simple green...works wonders.

I'm starting with regular hand soap - Simple Green is coming next.

What's the best tool for removing the pin to get the panels off?

Thanks -

bob
(first HK - Glocks, Hi-Powers and one 1911 prior to this)

[vecdran]

A proper punch, or in my case, a mini Philips screwdriver.