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LittleLebowski
08-04-2016, 02:08 PM
I've got a bit of this stuff and a Dillon 550. Should I just find a home for it and buy Winchester brass or should I buy a swaging solution?

Swaging options are (feel free to add your own suggestions):

RCBS Primer Pocket Swager Combo 2 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0063IDAX2/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=ratio07-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B0063IDAX2&linkId=d22af1c94c726ba43a4d36aa00f15c63)
Dillon 600 swager (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LAEVPZE/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=ratio07-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00LAEVPZE&linkId=990eeddb600c645ad3b48662c24e11be)
RCBS Primer Pocket Swager Tool (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007ZZO4MI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=ratio07-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B007ZZO4MI&linkId=8cad2c1cf9ef17b51c855701d23b2bca)

Clusterfrack
08-04-2016, 02:19 PM
I never buy 5.56 brass. It's so easy to pick up. Until I got a 1050, I used the Dillon tool. If you can use someone's 1050, even just to deprime and swage, it will be a big timesaver. (The 1050 has built in swage)

olstyn
08-04-2016, 02:20 PM
I just use one of these (https://www.amazon.com/Lyman-Reloading-Primer-Pocket-Reamer/dp/B000NOOQY4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470338329&sr=8-1&keywords=lyman+primer+pocket+reamer), but I'm only dealing with the odd crimped 9mm that happens to have gotten picked up with the rest of what I scrounged. Probably not a reasonable method if you've got a whole bucket of crimped brass.

Malamute
08-04-2016, 02:37 PM
I just use one of these (https://www.amazon.com/Lyman-Reloading-Primer-Pocket-Reamer/dp/B000NOOQY4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470338329&sr=8-1&keywords=lyman+primer+pocket+reamer), but I'm only dealing with the odd crimped 9mm that happens to have gotten picked up with the rest of what I scrounged. Probably not a reasonable method if you've got a whole bucket of crimped brass.

Ive used a simple RCBS deburring tool for crimped primers, but I wasnt doing thousands at a time. Works fine, if a little slow. Using shallow baskets to hold the brass helps some, less fiddling around reaching into containers. Shaking them sideways a little turns most of the shells mouth up. Seems like about 3-5 seconds per piece time wise when set up comfortably.

ffhounddog
08-04-2016, 02:41 PM
I would go with the Dillon because that is on my wish list. I have a buddy uses it and I was able to borrow it for a little while and liked it. Will buy it in the near future. Too many things need to be bought first and I have the lee tool. Not the best but works.

LittleLebowski
08-04-2016, 03:23 PM
Ive used a simple RCBS deburring tool for crimped primers, but I wasnt doing thousands at a time. Works fine, if a little slow. Using shallow baskets to hold the brass helps some, less fiddling around reaching into containers. Shaking them sideways a little turns most of the shells mouth up. Seems like about 3-5 seconds per piece time wise when set up comfortably.

Which one? I need a deburring/primer pocket cleaning tool as well.

JM Campbell
08-04-2016, 05:43 PM
I've been happy with this so far.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HS7JEB4/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmr2_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1470350579&sr=8-2-fkmr2&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=frankfurt+arsenal+case

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Shumba
08-04-2016, 08:13 PM
+1 on the Dillon.
Easy to use.
Shumba

rojocorsa
08-05-2016, 12:06 AM
Thank you for starting this thread as it is also pertinent to my reloading goals, esp with regards to military crimped 7.62mm NATO ammo.

Malamute
08-05-2016, 01:07 AM
Which one? I need a deburring/primer pocket cleaning tool as well.

This one. It doesn't clean the bottom of the primer pocket though, just reams the crimp, and works on the case mouth inside and out after trimming, or to make bullet seating easier. I deburr the inside of the case necks on everything rifle.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/465641/rcbs-chamfer-and-deburring-tool-17-to-60-caliber

I just give them about 3 twists back and forth and the primer pocket is done as far as removing crimp.

5pins
08-05-2016, 06:05 AM
Stay away from the Pocket Swager Combo 2. Very slow and youwill need a single stage press.

H&KFanNC
08-05-2016, 11:29 AM
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1458277820/rcbs-trim-mate-case-prep-center-110-volt

I prefer this as it also cleans pockets and I have modified mine to be able to trim to length.

I clean the brass, run it through the depriming stage on my press, then through the case prep center to decrimp, clean the pocket, trim to length and chamfer the inside/outside of the case mouth (while in front of the TV).


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nwhpfan
08-19-2016, 09:34 PM
I used a 600 for about 1k rounds. It works and is fast for a 1 at a time operation. The thing about rifle brass prep is if you pick it up you don't have to do it again... Great for practice, not so great for those that take classes or if you use it in a match (unless you mark it).

I used this guy (http://swageit.com/) on a 650. Pretty good. Not endorsed by Dillon. Maybe they'll come up with their own version. But with a Dillon RT 1500 Trimmer, swageit, you can process brass at about 800 rounds an hour. Maybe about 600 an hour with a 500.

rojocorsa
08-22-2016, 12:47 AM
Say, how can I determine if the Super Swager 600 is actually right for me?

Is it for those who aren't high volume rifle shooters?

3-7-77
08-22-2016, 11:20 AM
I have the RCBS which is great...for very very small batches. I have a bucket of 2k with crimped pockets that I'm working through and I ended up borrowing a Super Swager from a friend, which has doubled my swaging rate. For processing small lots of range pick up brass the RCBS is nice because it's cheap and doesn't take up any extra room. While the Dillon is faster and smoother to use, I'd look for a reamer if you're planning on processing large lots of brass. The non-Dillon approved swaging station for the 650 comes to mind.

LittleLebowski
08-29-2016, 11:50 AM
Well, I was ordering something from Graf's that no one else had (Dillon 30 carbine funnel) and I needed to buy something to get free shipping so I bought the K&M Precision Pocket Uniformer (http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/7416). I have not fired anything rounds I prepped with it yet as I'm still figuring it out. I successfully primed most of my test rounds I'd prepped with it but I think my technique in using it needed honing regarding the few that wouldn't prime.

Really, if I shot more .223, the 1050 seems like The Answer.

Rich@CCC
08-29-2016, 04:44 PM
That pocket uniformer cut the crimp? Looks like it'd be a slow process. I was decrimping by hand with a beveled cutter set to depth for a while and went with the Dillon 600 after a couple hundred cases. I set it up next to a single stage and decap then decrimp and toss 'em into the tumbler.

SecondsCount
08-29-2016, 05:10 PM
Well, I was ordering something from Graf's that no one else had (Dillon 30 carbine funnel) and I needed to buy something to get free shipping so I bought the K&M Precision Pocket Uniformer (http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/7416). I have not fired anything rounds I prepped with it yet as I'm still figuring it out. I successfully primed most of my test rounds I'd prepped with it but I think my technique in using it needed honing regarding the few that wouldn't prime.

Really, if I shot more .223, the 1050 seems like The Answer.

I have tried all kinds of things and nothing beats the primer pocket swager built into the 1050. Go halves with a buddy and you both can make a lot of ammo quickly. 400 rounds an hour is a leisurely pace and it will run forever if you maintain it.

LittleLebowski
08-29-2016, 06:22 PM
That pocket uniformer cut the crimp? Looks like it'd be a slow process. I was decrimping by hand with a beveled cutter set to depth for a while and went with the Dillon 600 after a couple hundred cases. I set it up next to a single stage and decap then decrimp and toss 'em into the tumbler.

Yeah, used a cordless drill.

LittleLebowski
12-26-2016, 11:51 AM
So far, I'm not happy with the cordless drill primer pocket reaming options I've tried (K&M Precison and Hornady). Just ordered the new Hornady single stage swaging kit (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0JFLOO/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=ratio07-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01N0JFLOO&linkId=400f67c7678f05458249aa82bbc4835b) that presses the pocket into shape ala the Dillon solutions. I'm hopeful about this product. I'll keep you updated.

JAD
12-26-2016, 11:54 AM
I have the Dillon thingee somewhere and can bring it to nova in mid Jan if you're so inclined. Cost you a hamburger.

LittleLebowski
12-26-2016, 03:57 PM
I have the Dillon thingee somewhere and can bring it to nova in mid Jan if you're so inclined. Cost you a hamburger.

You name the meal, whatever you want. Looking forward to meeting up.

JAD
12-26-2016, 06:40 PM
The garage search begins. More details to follow.