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It's so close! Les (you see what i did there) than a month. Who's all going? I know we have a few on here going.
i predict Ben will win, and everyone else won't.
This also the official production nationals thread, if anyone starts another one I will be but hurt. And if you send me your real name and address I'll send you a letter in the mail from a fake attorney.
45dotACP
07-28-2016, 10:49 PM
I should go to a nationals...too bad I shoot single stack and single stack nationals is before any other club opens up for the season :D
I think Production nats has so much heat that it's too close to call any given year. The 2015 nats were crazy heavy in the talent pool...but I'd bet Ben and Bob are both gonna be up there...I wouldn't be surprised to see Alex Gutt move up a few places from last year.
I'm cheering for Les tho...cuz berettas are rad.
It was stupid close last year (top three within ~0.5%) and I predict the same this year if the same top guys compete. If we have a similar top field to last year, I predict (hope) that it will be won by Ben, followed by Nils, Vogel, and Gutt. After that, probably Dave Sevigny, JJ Racaza, and Max Michel.
Then, if we are lucky, we will get the first Top 16 finish ever using only hip shooting by Taran Butler. I also predict sadness when Taran inadvertently gets John Wick killed in the streets in JW2 by bringing along Keanu Reeves and introducing him to USPSA.
I think Casey reed will be in the top 10 this year.
I'm not sure where Les will end up, but I'm hoping it's the top 5-10. It would be EPIC if he beat Ben with a Beretta.
Sal Picante
07-29-2016, 12:58 AM
Lol - I'm not what I once was... I'm just going to go and try to shoot a consistent game...
Clobbersaurus
07-29-2016, 06:45 AM
I'm not sure where Les will end up, but I'm hoping it's the top 5-10. It would be EPIC if he beat Ben with a Beretta.
Yes, it would be epic.
Especially since Tanfo's are stupid temperamental pieces of pot metal trash, just like CZ's. (runs and hides from Luke):cool:
Give em hell Les!
AtomicToaster
07-29-2016, 09:34 AM
This'll be my first Nationals. I'm one of the guys you mentioned who won't win. My placement will almost certainly be triple-digit ;)
Just wanna shoot to my own level of skill; should be a fun experience!
This'll be my first Nationals. I'm one of the guys you mentioned who won't win. My placement will almost certainly be triple-digit ;)
Just wanna shoot to my own level of skill; should be a fun experience!
That's awesome man! Congratulations!
How's your training going?
AtomicToaster
07-29-2016, 09:56 AM
That's awesome man! Congratulations!
How's your training going?
Thanks! The last couple weeks have been all about getting into/out of position efficiently. This weekend and next week leading up to the match are gonna be focused solely on marksmanship - specifically on ingraining how aggressively I can shoot and transition when no-shoots are involved.
Sal Picante
07-29-2016, 09:57 AM
This'll be my first Nationals. I'm one of the guys you mentioned who won't win. My placement will almost certainly be triple-digit ;)
Just wanna shoot to my own level of skill; should be a fun experience!
If you see me, come say "hey!"
Don't look for a jersey or etc... I'll probably be the only dude in a Queen or G'N'R t-shirt LOL
Peally
07-29-2016, 10:01 AM
Should be an interesting match as always. I too could see Reed getting higher marks. He beat Gutt at WI sectionals simply because Gutt had a minor hiccup at one point.
They're all so close it's almost to the fates if one of them sneezes a little and costs half a second.
AtomicToaster
07-29-2016, 10:02 AM
If you see me, come say "hey!"
Don't look for a jersey or etc... I'll probably be the only dude in a Queen or G'N'R t-shirt LOL
Will do! I'm shooting the AM/PM/AM 3-day schedule, so I'll likely be wandering around and watching people shoot on Saturday afternoon.
Les have you made any changes to your normal practice for this match?
Go team Glock! Jk
How does one earn a trip to nationals?
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Go team Glock! Jk
How does one earn a trip to nationals?
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Anyone can go. There are a few spots that are "earned" like top guys from last years nationals, I think some area winners are sent invites aswell. But you can walk up and shoot. I'm not 100% sure but I wanna say for level 2 and up you have to be a uspsa member, but I could be wrong.
AtomicToaster
07-29-2016, 02:56 PM
Go team Glock! Jk
How does one earn a trip to nationals?
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http://uspsanationals.org/slot-policy/
TL;DR version: There are Previous National Champion slots, Area slots, and Section slots for invites to Nationals. There are also a number of first come, first serve slots.
Sal Picante
07-29-2016, 04:34 PM
Les have you made any changes to your normal practice for this match?
I'm practicing more, shooting more... Maybe dry firing a bit less, overall.
After nationals, I'll probably taper off the high-volume shooting and work a few other aspects for a bit...
Talionis
07-29-2016, 05:51 PM
I'll be there for my second year. Thursday PM/friday AM/saturday PM schedule for me. I had a great time last year, so I'm definitely looking forward to it. If you see a dude with an HK, it is probably me. Come say hi.
Go team No Compromise, screw the perfection.
I am not going but I can provide a trash talk support.
On a positive side, team Obstinate Timmies will be shooting up shit under the watchful eye of the King of All Junk Carry.
Talionis
07-30-2016, 12:21 AM
Go team No Compromise, screw the perfection.
I am not going but I can provide a trash talk support.
On a positive side, team Obstinate Timmies will be shooting up shit under the watchful eye of the King of All Junk Carry.
Unless I DQ, I'm pretty likely to beat all but one of team perfection, so that's something at least. Most of team perfection is better looking than me though.
I would say I'm jealous of your time with the King, but if all goes right I'll be taking my second ever real training class from hizzoner Mr. White himself later on this year. I'm looking forward to it almost as much as Nationals, truth be told.
Mr_White
07-30-2016, 12:42 AM
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Mr_White
08-01-2016, 12:04 PM
Go team No Compromise, screw the perfection.
I am not going but I can provide a trash talk support.
On a positive side, team Obstinate Timmies will be shooting up shit under the watchful eye of the King of All Junk Carry.
Heh, I misunderstood this at first and thought you were saying we were all going to nationals....shouldn't be posting when I am that tired, lol.
Unless I DQ, I'm pretty likely to beat all but one of team perfection, so that's something at least. Most of team perfection is better looking than me though.
I would say I'm jealous of your time with the King, but if all goes right I'll be taking my second ever real training class from hizzoner Mr. White himself later on this year. I'm looking forward to it almost as much as Nationals, truth be told.
That's some high praise dude and I hope to live up to it. Fingers crossed that class will work out!
Hoping this website pans out
http://www.liveshots.net/#
Anybody know how to keep up with it other than that website?
Also, what time does it start? Can't find the exact time.
Slavex
08-10-2016, 11:04 AM
Is lives hots still using QuickTime as their only viewing solution or am I mixing them up with someone else?
I'm still trying to figure out a way to keep up with it too. I don't think my link is working like I thought.
This is what I've been using:
http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?indx=18116&division=Production&guntype=Pistol
In typical ancient USPSA fashion, it's not anywhere near real time, no video, and technology from the 90's at the latest.
When is super squad shooting?
olstyn
08-10-2016, 08:50 PM
In typical ancient USPSA fashion, it's not anywhere near real time, no video, and technology from the 90's at the latest.
Looks like I've got somebody to cheer for - the lady who beats all of us at my local club match every week is in 2nd so far and her husband is 3rd (I've never seen him shoot Production before; IIRC he's a Limited M). I'm guessing the results as of now are just the people who are working the match as ROs and staff, since they do work a lot of the higher level matches. Hopefully their scores hold up well after the rest of the field has results.
Looks like I've got somebody to cheer for - the lady who beats all of us at my local club match every week is in 2nd so far and her husband is 3rd (I've never seen him shoot Production before; IIRC he's a Limited M). I'm guessing the results as of now are just the people who are working the match as ROs and staff, since they do work a lot of the higher level matches. Hopefully their scores hold up well after the rest of the field has results.
That was my suspicion as well until I saw Manny Bragg had already started shooting. My guess is match staff and maybe they started another squad today if some people are shooting in a three day format (if they are offering that, I don't know).
Talionis
08-11-2016, 07:33 AM
That was my suspicion as well until I saw Manny Bragg had already started shooting. My guess is match staff and maybe they started another squad today if some people are shooting in a three day format (if they are offering that, I don't know).
Manny has been shooting the staff match for just about every major he's attended this year. Scores up to this point are all from the staff shoot. I arrived at the range yesterday to check things out, the stages look good. Very typical of PASA park, but a good mix of challenges. The stage with two 20+ yard swingers will be interesting. It's going to be brutally hot, so if anyone is attending, make sure you stay hydrated.
ETA: Super squad starts at 1pm on Friday, then shoots all day Sat.
Mr_White
08-11-2016, 07:36 AM
Good luck Talionis!
Hoping this website pans out
http://www.liveshots.net/#
Anybody know how to keep up with it other than that website?
Also, what time does it start? Can't find the exact time.
Going live here in roughly 45 minutes!
Bere09
08-12-2016, 12:23 PM
Going live here in roughly 45 minutes!
Really excited about this. It's an absolute travesty that they don't do a live stream of some sort for this. Maybe the new administration will take promotion of the sport more seriously.
Periscoping this thing would be super easy.
I'm rooting for Les because Pizza Gun, but I think Ben is just too consistent. I love how much heat shows up for Production Nationals now that they split it off from the others.
Yea I know foley has said he is going to try and bring back/add coverage to these events. I e seen some video from this years nationals and some of the walls have been changed to the see through stuff just for this reason.
Bere09
08-12-2016, 01:04 PM
It's running. Rob looked good. Smooth reload.
Peally
08-12-2016, 01:23 PM
I can not believe they still use Quicktime. It doesn't even exist as a supported program for IE, Chrome, or really anything anymore. Seriously, it sucks ass.
Bere09
08-12-2016, 01:26 PM
Yea, Quicktime sucks.
Does Mink use a 2lb recoil spring in his CZ? I know CZs have very little recoil, but his muzzle just doesn't lift. Ridiculous.
Max looked awesome. Ben looked a little shaky :/ we don't know the hits though.
I'm having trouble viewing it too. When I do get it to work there's no sound. Kinda sucks.
Bere09
08-12-2016, 01:33 PM
Ben looked off rhythm with his shots. Hopefully that just means he was actually waiting for his sights instead of just firing off four rapid shots in succession hoping the gun returned correctly.
Gutt was smooth as hell on his reload.
Peally
08-12-2016, 01:38 PM
Max looked awesome. Ben looked a little shaky :/ we don't know the hits though.
I'm having trouble viewing it too. When I do get it to work there's no sound. Kinda sucks.
Quicktime blows about as much as Java. I literally can't even watch it on any browser I have and I don't own an Apple product. Liveshots needs to get their shit together, they've been doing this for years.
olstyn
08-12-2016, 01:41 PM
If I go back and watch video from previous events on there, it's got sound, but the current one doesn't, and I'm viewing it on a Mac. I'm guessing they've got a setting wrong somewhere.
Yea I emailed them and said no sound. I love that there doing this, but man, this sucks :(
I wish somebody would go down there with that Facebook thing and stream live start to finish. I'm tired of watching 7 second videos with no sound.
Mr_White
08-12-2016, 02:56 PM
Hmmmm, I can hear the sound when I watch the LiveShots videos, though I agree that Quicktime is super lame.
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I am pulling for Ben and I think he will pull out the win again.
Clusterfrack
08-12-2016, 03:10 PM
I'm having no problems viewing the videos with sound on my iPhone. Agree that QT is lame but not as shitty as Flash.
I'm using an iPhone too and get nothing. I hooked to the shop radio we use and have it all the way up next to my face and can just barley hear the gun shots.
Why did stoeger shoot the popper last on stage 5???
I'm using a Mac and get sound, but barely, with my volume turned all the way up.
Max had a little trouble there. I guess he lost his Dot.
Bere09
08-12-2016, 03:33 PM
Nils burned it down on stage 5.
I like how Casey and Ben shot both middle poppers from the left before moving, but I think Ben missed that final popper while Casey connected on it.
Sound is fixed starting at Leatham Stage 5.
Yep! I guess they saw my email and knew they had to take care of me.
Poor Gutt, this ain't the match to make a bad shot and then stare at it.
Bere09
08-12-2016, 03:39 PM
Noticed that too. Instead of making it up immediately he came back to it before exiting position. Still not as bad as Max on that one.
guymontag
08-12-2016, 05:27 PM
May the best competitor win, I'm rooting for Ben. Sad he's not on the forum anymore.
Peally
08-12-2016, 06:25 PM
When you get to that point in the game it's either a miracle or you're being paid to hang around on the internet ;)
http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?action=summary&indx=18116&compid=123
http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?action=summary&indx=18116&compid=227
Looks like les is doing well :) good points, no penalties.
Ben is in the lead. Clean match so far. Tomorrow is a long day :)
Finally USPSA updated their website. Looks like Ben is currently trailing Shane Coley by ~13 points.
How's Mike Seeklander doing? I can't seem to find the list on the website.
He's been uploading videos to Instagram of the stages. Pretty cool to watch.
This is all I see http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160813/4b57426005ea0465b1ae9553743dcc45.jpg
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Finally USPSA updated their website. Looks like Ben is currently trailing Shane Coley by ~13 points.
You can't go by points shot. Look at the percentage. Stoeger WAS winning. We shall have wait for update now.
Click on the Uspsa number and it will show you what you need to see.
I was going by match points and only looked at shooters on his squad. Coley was ahead of him last night too
Looks at this point like Alex Gutt won, Coley 2nd, Stegger 3rd. Not sure if all of the results are in, but all of the stages of those three are on the website.
So sad :(
Our very own Les came in 19th!!!!!! (Unofficial results) which is freaking awesome!!!!!
So sad :(
Our very own Les came in 19th!!!!!! (Unofficial results) which is freaking awesome!!!!!
Wow that's impressive!
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So sad :(
Our very own Les came in 19th!!!!!! (Unofficial results) which is freaking awesome!!!!!
Go Les, go pizza guns!!
backtrail540
08-13-2016, 11:33 PM
I'm happy to see one of the shooters ,that i used to run at my old club, in the top 25. Russell M is a fun dude and great competitor to be around at a match. His squad was always my favorite to run the timer for. Congrats dude!
olstyn
08-14-2016, 12:57 AM
Here's a weird stat: 17 DQs out of 369 shooters = 4.6% of the field DQed! That seems pretty high to me, especially given the caliber of shooters that go to Nationals; was one of the stages a DQ trap?
Here's a weird stat: 17 DQs out of 369 shooters = 4.6% of the field DQed! That seems pretty high to me, especially given the caliber of shooters that go to Nationals; was one of the stages a DQ trap?
Including the venerable Bruce Gray and USPSA President Mike Foley.
Including the venerable Bruce Gray and USPSA President Mike Foley.
WWHHHAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTT?????? That is hilarious.
guymontag
08-14-2016, 11:45 AM
Does anyone know the top ten pistols? Did a Glock seriously come in 2nd? Didn't that happen last time with Vogel or Nils?
Clusterfrack
08-14-2016, 11:52 AM
Yes, I think Vogel took 2nd last year.
So sad :(
Our very own Les came in 19th!!!!!! (Unofficial results) which is freaking awesome!!!!!
Outstanding Les!
Congrats to the winner.
I don't follow this as its so far above my level as to be a laugh, but I think the buzz it is generating is great for the sport. Hope to get back to matches as soon as it cools off here a bit in Florida.
Does anyone know the top ten pistols? Did a Glock seriously come in 2nd? Didn't that happen last time with Vogel or Nils?
Gutt = Tanfo (Lim Pro?)
Coley = G34 (Captain of Team Glock)
Stoeger = Tanfo Stock II
Sevigny = FNS 5" 9mm (wasn't there, this is what he usually shoots)
Nils = G34
Mink = CZ (Accu-Shadow?)
Luna/Hetherington = no idea
Reed = Tanfo? Luke might know
Max Michel = Sig P320
So, I guess if you want to compete in USPSA, the guns you should pick should be in the following order:
Tanfo Lim Pro > Glock > Tanfo Stock II > FNS > CZ > P320
Vogel got 2nd last year, Nils 3rd, both shooting G34s. http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?indx=15362&division=Production&guntype=Pistol
Peally
08-14-2016, 04:17 PM
Always impressive how stupidly close the results are over such a large amounts of stages and targets.
Yea. It seems all the top athletes finish within micro seconds / points of each other. Just look at the Olympics. Makes you wonder if they are at the peak of human function and there is nothing higher..
I think Jacob H shoots a 92.
Just goes to show that it's the Indian, not the arrow...unless it's a hammer-fired HK.
I think the most shocking thing is an FNS in the top 5. Never would've guessed that.
It would be cool if they had to shoot each other's guns just to see how they would do.
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45dotACP
08-14-2016, 10:30 PM
I think the most shocking thing is an FNS in the top 5. Never would've guessed that.
It would be cool if they had to shoot each other's guns just to see how they would do.
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Not shocking when you consider it's a FNS attached to a Dave Sevigny...
Not shocking when you consider it's a FNS attached to a Dave Sevigny...
This.
AtomicToaster
08-15-2016, 09:44 AM
I think Jacob H shoots a 92.
You are correct. We were on the same squad; it was a lot of fun watching him shred!
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You are correct. We were on the same squad; it was a lot of fun watching him shred!
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How did you do? Looked like a fun match.
AtomicToaster
08-15-2016, 09:55 AM
How did you do? Looked like a fun match.
Heh. Didn't DQ, anyway. 191st place overall. I'm currently a lowly B class shooter, so my expectations were not high. It was pretty cool seeing the kind of speed that is required to be really competitive - I now know what I need to focus on in my practice for the foreseeable future.
Did okay on the first day, had a couple 'me' issues and a couple ammo issues the second day, and shot way too cautiously the third day.
It was a fun experience, but being from a semi-arid climate, the humidity was a major bitch and took a lot of getting used to.
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Peally
08-15-2016, 10:27 AM
The Midwest has been brutal lately. Hot and high humidity. I'm ready for our week of fall.
Slavex
08-15-2016, 02:01 PM
Congrats Les! Also congrats to my buddy Trenton, top invader, errr, foreigner, that is.
Sal Picante
08-15-2016, 03:25 PM
Congrats Les! Also congrats to my buddy Trenton, top invader, errr, foreigner, that is.
It was fun!
And hot.
And Exhausting!
guymontag
08-15-2016, 10:29 PM
Just goes to show that it's the Indian, not the arrow...unless it's a hammer-fired HK.
How high up did the striker-fired HK place?
Congrats Les! Also congrats to my buddy Trenton, top invader, errr, foreigner, that is.
Nice kid, met him at A1. Seems like he had an excellent match.
It was fun!
And hot.
And Exhausting!
Strong work too, congrats. Doesn't look like ol' good Beretta slowed you down too much.
How high up did the striker-fired HK place?
I see our own Talionis in mid-70s, with mid 70 percentage as well. I don't know how to assess that as there are mostly G and M shooters above him, as well as G and M shooters below. Gonna hazard a guess that this placement under-represents his skill level but I don't want to speak for him.
I don't know other HK shooters to say if anyone got better placement.
Talionis
08-15-2016, 11:42 PM
How high up did the striker-fired HK place?
75th. I've been struggling with the mental aspect of match performance for the whole season to-date, and that culminated with day 1 of nationals. I had a lightbulb moment after that and shot well for days 2 and 3, but as far as match performance, the damage was done on the first day. One thing: I can say with absolute confidence that I was not handicapped by the gun. It ran perfectly and all my mistakes were my own.
Talionis
08-15-2016, 11:49 PM
Gonna hazard a guess that this placement under-represents his skill level but I don't want to speak for him.
Mental game is a huge part of skill level when it comes to USPSA, so I would say my placement really accurately represents my skill level, inclusive of mental game. That being said, days 2 and 3 of my match (stages 1-13) actually accurately represent my current skill level, since I was finally able to get out of my own way mentally and just shoot within my normal level of execution. When I get around to it I will look at scores from just those stages to see where my skill set measures up to the national heat, but it's safe to say that it will be very important to put the lessons learned at Nationals to work immediately if I want to be competitive.
Sal Picante
08-15-2016, 11:58 PM
Mental game is a huge part of skill level when it comes to USPSA, so I would say my placement really accurately represents my skill level, inclusive of mental game. That being said, days 2 and 3 of my match (stages 1-13) actually accurately represent my current skill level, since I was finally able to get out of my own way mentally and just shoot within my normal level of execution. When I get around to it I will look at scores from just those stages to see where my skill set measures up to the national heat, but it's safe to say that it will be very important to put the lessons learned at Nationals to work immediately if I want to be competitive.
BTW - it was nice to meet you, bro!
I think I was helping reset and paste for my bro, Rob Lisak at the time...
Congrats Les! Also congrats to my buddy Trenton, top invader, errr, foreigner, that is.
I met Trenton when we were on the same squad at a match this past winter. He is a super nice guy and a very disciplined shooter!
AtomicToaster
08-16-2016, 11:44 AM
Through pure dumb luck, I was squadded with the guys who got 8th and 12th overall, so it was really cool (and rather intimidating!) seeing that level of performance in person. Met our very own Les Pepperoni, as well - congrats on your placement!
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