Printable Targets

[ToddG]

pistol-training.com (http://pistol-training.com) targets
for 8.5x11 unless otherwise indicated
targets are not to scale



5" circle (http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/circle5inch.pdf)
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/5incirc-thumb.jpg



6" circle with 1" square (http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/6in-circ-1in-sq.pdf)
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/6in-circ-1in-sq-270x350.jpg



two 2" and one 6" circles (http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/2-two-inch-and-1-six-inch-circles.pdf)
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/2two1six.jpg



six 2" circles (http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/6x2in-circles.pdf)
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/6x2in-circles-350x270.jpg


six 2" circles numbered 1 through 6 (http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/6-twos-numbered.pdf)
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/6-twos-numbered-thumb.jpg



3x5, 2" circle, and 1" square (http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/3-two-1.pdf)
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/3-two-1-270x350.jpg



F.A.S.T. Target (http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/fast-target.pdf) (8.5x14)
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/fast-target.jpg



Dot Torture (http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/dot-torture-target.pdf)
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dot-torture-target.png

[Jay Cunningham]

http://www.targetz.com/targetzlib/10108.pdf

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http://www.targetz.com/targetzlib/10148.pdf

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http://www.targetz.com/targetzlib/10093.pdf

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http://www.targetz.com/targetzlib/10094.pdf

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http://www.targetz.com/targetzlib/10097.pdf

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[Jay Cunningham]

http://www.targetz.com/targetzlib/10098.pdf

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http://www.lowspeed-highdrag.com/images/stories/ar-15-100yd-zero.pdf

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[Serpico1985]

Hey guys. I printed out a few of those "targetz" that say they are a 8" circle. When I checked them with a ruler they actually print out 7 1/2". Anyone know where I could find a 8" circle? Also wondering if anyone knows where there's a 6" box to print out. With an 8" circle and 6" box folks could shoot some drills that use IDPA targets and just shoot at the "-0" zone.

[EricP]

Hey guys. I printed out a few of those "targetz" that say they are a 8" circle. When I checked them with a ruler they actually print out 7 1/2". Anyone know where I could find a 8" circle?

I had this happen to me and had Dot Torture come out at 1 13/16. Make sure when you print that the PDF is set for 100%.

[Jay Cunningham]

Make sure when you print that the PDF is set for 100%.

This.

[Ga Shooter]

http://darkstargear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/4x6.pdf


4X6 square

[DacoRoman]

Question: if using a FAST target printed on regular printer paper 8.5x11, what distance would you use for a valid test? 5 yards? Thanks.

[DacoRoman]

Question: if using a FAST target printed on regular printer paper 8.5x11, what distance would you use for a valid test? 5 yards? Thanks.


OK so I printed the FAST test at 75% size so that it would fit on an 8.5x11 paper. 7 yards x .75 = 5.25 yards, which would seem to be the correct distance for the FAST test when using such a reduced target.

[52Hubcap]

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[52Hubcap]

4X6 rectangle (Measurements are to outside edge of line)

[LittleLebowski]

Tom Jones made this excellent B8 target with a white X-ring center at my request, I find that it helps me quite a bit. Try it for all of your shooting needs!

[KG]

Tom Jones made this excellent B8 target with a white X-ring center at my request, I find that it helps me quite a bit. Try it for all of your shooting needs!

Thanks. I like it and it uses a bit less ink than the standard B-8. Another way to use less ink printing targets is setting the printer to draft mode.

[KG]

I can make a B-8 anyway you want -- grey instead of black, more or less colored rings, dithered instead of a solid color, etc. Just let me know. :)

A grey B-8 would be perfect.

[bravo7]

Thanks.

[KG]

Here you go, 50% grey (or gray, I honestly have no idea).


Excellent. Thanks Tom.

[blues]

Here you go, 50% grey (or gray, I honestly have no idea).


Tom, you may have to make 'em in fifty shades of gray before we can decide which one provides the best performance. ;)

[SLG]

I don't know if this is wrong of me, since Todd started this thread with perfectly excellent targets for printing, but in my T Rex arms adventure today, I found some printable targets on their site. They look pretty decent if you want a little more variety.

[BaiHu]

I can make a B-8 anyway you want -- grey instead of black, more or less colored rings, dithered instead of a solid color, etc. Just let me know. :)
Orange and white. It's only right...

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[bigslim]

Does anyone know what the external detentions of the Q-PT target are, I am all out and wait my shipment from National? National Target has it listed as 20" x 32.25", that doesn't seem wide enough to me. I picked up some slip sheets from work today and want to start cutting target backers and would like to verify the measurements.

Mike

[EricP]

I just went and measured one. Your dimensions are correct.

[bigslim]

I just went and measured one. Your dimensions are correct.

Thanks Eric!

Mike

[bigslim]

Some of the design criteria for the Q-PT target was that it would work with target stands designed for IDPA/ISPC/USPSA targets (which are all ~18" wide) and that none of the target areas on it would be in front of the sticks when using those stands.

There were (and probably still are) a few well known instructors with targets of their own design that put a series of target areas directly in front of the sticks and which resulted in you needlessly destroying them in the course of an afternoon. I found that super annoying, so I made sure Todd's target didn't do that. :)

A little for thought goes a long way. My club is flirting with the idea of allowing us to use our own target stands and that is what prompted this thread. I have looked at some plans that call for an 18" wide base but stretching it to 20" makes a lot of sense.

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[Greg]

These targets from Baer Solutions are pretty nice. Enjoy.

Source URL > https://baersolutionsllc.com/page3/

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[RJ]

So it’s ok to add to this thread? Cool. I have a couple that I made that I’ve found useful.

[RJ]

Here is one of my contributions:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180609/29f1d1e1c62b1caa6e7f0cfb26e8ad81.jpg

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I call this "My Basic Circles", after an NRA target set I saw a while ago.

Here is how I use it:

- For consistency work, I set the target at 5, or 7, or 10 yards and see if I can put 5/5 in all four circles.
- For a longer challenge, I try and set the target at 15 yards and try for 16/20 inside the 6" circle.
- The target features an aiming dot at the center, and a 1" mesh to help estimate group sizes.
- I put in some text boxes to prompt me to not forget to record the gun and ammo, date shot, actual score and actual range.

Here is how I print it:

- Download *.pdf to a laptop
- Open the file with Adobe Acrobat(c)
- Print "actual size"
- Check sizes with a tape measure; my 3.5" circles measure 3.5", from middle of the line to middle of the line on the other side; same with the 6".

[CCT125US]

Updated F.Y.L. target, with 3x5 overlaid on the text box. I like running Spaulding's 2x2x2 drill on it. Same download instructions as Rich's post above.

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[RJ]

Here is a Stoplight Drill target I made based on the recently posted Drill of the Week.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?31767-Week-274-Stoplight

The drill was created by backtrail540, and I got his permission to post the target file here. Basically I just took the drill, made a text box, them added a vertical 3x5 outline in OpenOffice Draw, then exported it to a pdf file.

To Print:

- Download *.pdf to a laptop
- Open the file with Adobe Acrobat(c)
- Print "actual size"

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180625/6a705335789f5acb195bf1b43806c9eb.jpg

[RJ]

Here is another contribution.

I call it My First Target

A friend of mine wanted to go shooting for the first time, and asked me "can we go to the range?" Despite my protestations, I was unable to convince her I was a new shooter myself, and to seek out a good instructor. In the end, I elected to try and help her out. I asked for and got advice in this thread:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?28972-%93Take-Me-to-the-Range-%94

In doing this, I could not find what I thought was a good printable target for a first time shooter, so I made this one.

It features a central aiming dot, a large 8" circle so as to provide a reasonable "success" zone for a first time shooter, and a subtle 1" grid to aid in estimating group sizes.

[JSGlock34]

Does anyone have a .pdf copy of a FBI IP-1 bullseye target? The closest I've found is the 10-8 bullseye (http://10-8forums.com/targets/10-8bullseye.pdf).

https://www.targets.net/images/FBI/FBI-IP1.png

[Jay Cunningham]

https://us.aimpoint.com/support/handling/how-to-zero-your-sight/aimpointr-comp-series-zeroing/

[JSGlock34]

If you've got the dimensions, I can make you one.

That's a really nice offer Tom. There was some discussion about the differences between a B-8 and an IP-1 in the FBI Bullseye Course thread (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?24828-Week-208-FBI-Bullseye-Course-(Modified)/page4) - here's the info Wayne Dobbs posted.

While I always thought the two bulls were the same, I read this and wondered. So....I went out to my target stash and got an NRA official B-8 and an official FBI bull (LE Targets FBI-IP 1) and a caliper. Following are the diameters of the 10 rings and the nine ring (the bull image):

FBI:

10 Ring - 3.355" (8.84 square inches)
9 Ring - 5.455" (23.37 square inches)

NRA B-8:

10 Ring - 3.35" (8.81 square inches)
9 Ring - 5.55" (24.19 square inches)

So, the FBI's 10 ring is a TINY bit wider and its overall bullseye image diameter is a bit smaller than the B8. Sounds like a wash to me on that. The FBI's eight ring is 0.2" wider overall than the B-8, but I can't get overall dimensions of the two eight rings with my caliper.

It seems like the IP-1 is really close but not exactly a B-8. It eliminates the X ring in favor of the larger 10 ring, and then repositions the scoring numbers so the 10 is in the center of the bull.




https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/319SEexuzoL.jpg

[RJ]

I am going to attempt to shoot some Bill Drills tomorrow so I made a facsimile of a USPSA A Zone Metric Target based on the dimensions in Appendix B3 of the Feb 2014 Rulebook.

I can't print but 8 1/2 x 11 so I made the A zone box 15cm x 26 cm but the actual A zone from the target dimensions is I believe 15cm x 28cm. So this is a little bit shorter than a proper A zone.

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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180923/7d98b8c2ab2b52cdc5047fb11bba8148.jpg

[stomridertx]

I joined the forum just so I could contribute to this thread. I downloaded all of the targets here and started learning vector drawing in Inkscape to see if I could start designing my own. I really enjoy it and I've come up with a bunch of my own designs as well as public domain competition targets I've made to exact measurements. All of my targets come in 2 versions: a full size PDF and a PDF broken into 9 US Letter sheets of paper that piece together to form the full target. Some of my targets also come in 2 sheet versions meant to be stacked on top of one another. The full size PDF can be printed on a larger format poster printer if you are lucky enough to have access to one, or scaled down to whatever size if you want a small target for dry fire or to simulate longer distance. The 9 sheet versions will have 0.16" margins on each sheet to accommodate most laser printers as very few (which are very expensive) have the ability to print edge to edge. I use a paper cutter to trim these margins quickly for a seamless large target. On all formats, select the option to print actual size.

USPSA Metric Target
Features:
- Correct measurments to current rulebook.
- Subdued zone lines
- Extra A zones in upper left and right corners

Full PDF: 31583
9 sheet US Letter: 31582

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[stomridertx]

USPSA Target combined with NRA bulls. The bull targets are very subdued an have no colored rings to blend into the background. The head has a B-16 bull and the body has a B-8 bull. Also, there is a 3x5 rectangle around the head A zone, which allows you to run the F.A.S.T. drill on this target using the outer ring of the B-8.

Full PDF: 31594
9 Piece US Letter PDF: 31595

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[stomridertx]

This is a minimalist training target based on my USPSA target with NRA Bulls. The idea behind this target is getting the most use out of 2 sheets of US Letter paper possible to minimize time piecing together large targets. The range I shoot at has both large and small target stands, and these fit well on the small ones. The intent here is to paste the head target above the chest target, which will give the same distance between them as the full size USPSA sihouette. Again, there is a 3x5 rectangle over the head A zone which allows the F.A.S.T drill.
Head bullseye is NRA B-16, Chest Bullseye is NRA B-8. The chest A-zone is slightly shortened to fit on U.S. Letter paper.

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[stomridertx]

Here is my version of the FBI IP-1 Bullseye target requested earlier in the thread.

Full PDF: 31599
US Letter Format PDF: 31600

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[stomridertx]

I couldn't find this anywhere on the web, so I made one. This is the NRA SR-3 300 yard rifle target. Not the scaled down version, the actual great big bullseye. The US Letter version prints on 4 sheets, needs margins trimmed.

Full: 31603
4 Piece US Letter: 31604
Grey Versions to save toner:
Full: 31622
4 Piece US Letter: 31623

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[JSGlock34]

Thanks for posting, especially the IP-1!

[RJ]

Thanks for posting, especially the IP-1!

Ditto. Great contributions stomridertx.

[stomridertx]

Deleted to clean up thread.

[stomridertx]

I enjoy making vector graphics, so if anyone has any requests for a target they wish existed don't be shy about asking me to make it. I can make it fit on a single sheet or make it a poster that spans many sheets. I only ask that it be attached to a serious drill as I don't want to spend a lot of time making novelty targets like zombies, politicians we hate, aliens, etc. There's plenty of that stuff out there already.

[stomridertx]

FBI IP-1 Bullseye with Grey Center, because NRA blacks are murder on toner. Ask me how I know...

Full: 31607
US Letter: 31608

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[stomridertx]

I'd suggest we avoid posting versions of people's copyrighted targets (that they receive royalties on) unless we have permission from the copyright holder to do so -- in other words, unless someone can convince me that they have permission from Paul to post his CSAT targets, I'll probably remove them. Sorry to be a debbie-downer, but I take IP rights pretty seriously.

Understood, please delete the post and I'll find out if he's ok with it.

[stomridertx]

Bullseye Silhouette
Features:
- NRA B-8 and B-16 grey color bulls on head and chest
- 5" wide spine box
- USPSA outer silhouette dimensions
- USPSA subdued C zone outline
- Target dots in upper corners based on B-8 and B-16 10/x rings

Full: 31611
9 Sheet US Letter: 31612

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[stomridertx]

IDPA Target
Features:
- Exact measurements based on current rulebook in inches.
- Subdued zone lines and scoring markers
- Extra 4 inch circles in the upper corners, one featuring a B-16 10/x ring based target dot.

Full: 31668
9 Sheet US Letter: 31669

Preview:
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[stomridertx]

*Version 1.1 incorporated suggested changes from other shooters
After making the IDPA target I wanted to pare down all of my ideas into one effective and uncluttered training target that covers all the bases. I'm calling it the "F.A.S.T. Silhouette" as it is inspired by the FAST drill as well as elements from many LE qual targets.
Features:
- Based on IDPA Silhouette outer dimensions
- 8" circle with a B-8 10/X ring based target dot in the center, placed over center mass vitals
- 3"x5" rectangle placed over CNS zone with a center 1" square
- 5" wide subdued spine box
- Subdued IDPA -1 zone
- 1" square target dots in the upper corners
- Full silhouette target download as well as a 2 page "essentials" version.
- Clean versions are shapes only with no shading in the zones.

Full PDF: 31687
9 page US Letter PDF: 31688
2 page "Essentials" PDF: 31689

"Clean" Version:
Full PDF: 31690
9 page US Letter PDF: 31691
2 page "Essentials" PDF: 31692

Full Target Preview:
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Essentials Preview:
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[stomridertx]

If you've downloaded any of my files from this thread before now, please scroll back through pages 5-6 as I've updated all of my targets to improved and final versions.

[stomridertx]

*Version 1.1 incorporated suggested changes from other shooters
In the spirit of Halloween...
F.A.S.T. Sihouette with Vital Anatomy
Features:
- Same specs as "Clean" F.A.S.T. Sihouette target
- 1" square target dots in upper corners
- Royalty-free open source drawings used for skeletal structure and heart placement
- Anatomy drawings layered correctly and in proportion with silhouette
- Toner friendly grayscale with slight transparency. I tried on different laser printers and it comes out fine even with Adobe Reader's "save ink/toner" option and "draft" mode. I recommend all three options checked: draft mode, save ink/toner, and print in grayscale (black and white). The target still looks great and it will save toner.
- "Essentials" 2 page version

Full PDF: 31697
9 sheet US Letter PDF: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fu7FU5FftLTKrHjP0Mkf04Aq_To9pZKx
2 sheet Essentials PDF: 31698

Preview:
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[stomridertx]

I just got done assembling my latest target design with spray glue on a 24x35 sheet of cardboard to see it full size, and I thought I'd take the opportunity to post a picture of what these piece-together targets look like when assembled. Margins are trimmed off to make a seamless picture. If you also trim the right and left sides, this would fit on the 4 18"x 34" cardboard backers you can cut out of a Home Depot box for $1.50 or so. Bella the Boston Terrier is photobombing for scale.

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[stomridertx]

I've been experimenting and it turns out that my 9 sheet PDFs are really unnecessary as there is a better way to print multiple sheets from the full size target file.

Use Adobe Acrobat Reader to open the full size pdf, open the print dialog, hit the "Poster" button and choose these settings.

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You can also change the printer to "Print to PDF" to make a broken up document. As long as the tile scale is set to 100%, the target dimensions will remain unchanged and to scale. If your dialog box looks different, upgrade to the latest version of Adobe Reader.

Another way that works is if you have Microsoft publisher. Create a new Publisher document that is the same size as the PDF, insert the PDF, resize it to cover the entire page, and then hit print. If your paper size is set to Letter, Publisher will automatically split into multiple sheets. You can select to do the 9 sheet layout instead of 8 by changing back to portrait mode, whereas Adobe Reader doesn't have that option.

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[RJ]

I was wanting to shoot some 1" squares, so I made this one; I call it "Don't be a Square!".

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[stomridertx]

Requested from a forum member:
B-8 Bullseye over a life size skull, US Letter size.
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[stomridertx]

Requested by forum member:

Shotgun Pattern Target

- 16 inch bullseye with circles in 2" increments towards the center
- Prints on 4 US Letter pages and assembles into one large target
- margins need to be trimmed for a seamless target
- 1" grid background for group measuring

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[RJ]

I created a smaller version of the Discretionary Command Training Target, A, for my use. I left the source file and pdf in color, but I print it in B&W.

It is obviously a bit smaller than the normal DC2T.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/f2abc6710391e67afdfe85384acebca9.jpg

[RJ]

I was musing in another thread about inventing a target focused on a mix of the USPSA head box, and an anthropometrically correct head shape.

I spent a few minutes doing that tonight, and decided to add the circles representing a set of NRA B-8 Repair Center X/10/9 rings, and this is the result. I wanted something that I could score on as well as focus on evaluating how well I did against a go/no go criteria (only hits count) but also see where my shots landed against an actual (ok, well more or less) head box of two eyes, nose and mouth-like shapes. Plus it does not look too wierd that I can't put it up at the range and not have someone in the next stall wonder what the heck I'm shooting a person for.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190905/2256fce9d61e68cfdb1a4bf03a2de901.jpg

Now looking at it it reminds me of Thomas the Tank Engine lol (If anyone remembers those kids toys; my son loved them).

[RJ]

Today I shot a target design suggested by DocGKR, modified to fit onto an 8 1/2 x 11 printer paper. It was to represent the ocular window with the 3 x 5, and the thoracic cavity with the 4 x 6. I just stuck them on a design and printed. I decided to add a 1/2" black aiming dot to the boxes.

In case it is of use to someone, I decided to post up the pdf here.

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I used it today during my local range visit, which included shooting two cylinders of my LCR .38 and Federal Gold Medal Match wadcutters @ 5 yards: (no idea where round #10 landed).

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/f464de20608f30016134e188af237daa.jpg

[DocGKR]

On the "B-8 Skull Target" above, the "X" is too low--it should be at the eye socket, not the nose.

[RJ]

Revised v5 of the one I did to incorporate Doc's comment.

[stomridertx]

On the "B-8 Skull Target" above, the "X" is too low--it should be at the eye socket, not the nose.I agree, but it was requested that way. I'll make it the right way if anyone wants it.

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[stomridertx]

I haven't been active on here in a while, but I've been working quite a bit on a series of training targets on my own. They are based around anatomy and standards that I want to obtain as a shooter. As I get closer to what I would consider "Version 1.0" I'd like some feedback on if you think that the concept of printable targets that piece together from US Letter sized paper is valuable or desirable to folks other than myself. I've grown used to using a paper cutter to trim margins and using 3M 77 spray to attach them to cardboard backers, and find it very convenient for my use. However, my range has 24x24 and 24x48 target stands and I'm not sure if this is standard or just unique to me. I'm contemplating creating a digital download store for some of these and just trying to gauge interest. I'd appreciate feedback, here's what I've been working on the past months.
Some explanation on target zones:
1. Solid outlines are primary hit zones.
2. Dotted outlines are secondary hit zones.
3. Crosshairs represent the best possible impact on target.
4. 2 MOA dots on head and chest represent height over bore hold point for an AR-15 (absolute co-witness assumed).
5. Grid overlay is 1" squares for group measurement.
6. Numbered circules match the dot torture drill and are multi-use aiming points for diagnostic shots.
7. I haven't added zones to the anatomy targets yet, because I feel like it's way obvious if your hits are effective on those.

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[RJ]

I made up this target today to support some one-handed shooting drills I want to try at the range. It was inspired by Greg 's thread, here:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37940-My-weak-hand-shooting-sucks&p=920869#post920869

The target is a pair of 5" circles. Left one is for a string with the left hand, right one for the right hand. I superimposed a 4" square grid, to estimate group sizes, and put a 1/4" dot to have as an aiming reference in the center.

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[mrdaytrade]

I use this handy thing to draw targets on old Amazon boxes.

The dimensions are right on for AP1 targets.

http://www.targettwister.com

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My results...

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[RJ]

I wanted to have a 1/3 scale B8 target today to go with a 1/3 USPSA target that I bought at the Ben Stoeger Pro Shop. So I took the standard B8 ring dimensions, scaled them 1/3, and drew one up:

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[RJ]

I have been meaning to try and start to practice some of the Gabe White Technical Standards at my local square range.

I contacted Mr_White, who graciously gave me permission to reference them for an attempt to design a target using 8 1/2 x 11 paper that I could use.

Below is version v3; it features an approximation of a USPSA A zone, as well as a superimposed 4" circle. I also included a brief textual summary of each of the four skills test, as well as the web link. Many thanks to Gabe for letting me bug him by email. :)

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[revchuck38]

I have been meaning to try and start to practice some of the Gabe White Technical Standards at my local square range.

I contacted Mr_White, who graciously gave me permission to reference them for an attempt to design a target using 8 1/2 x 11 paper that I could use.

Below is version v3; it features an approximation of a USPSA A zone, as well as a superimposed 4" circle. I also included a brief textual summary of each of the four skills test, as well as the web link. Many thanks to Gabe for letting me bug him by email. :)

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Great! But in the notes...
NOTES:
A ZONE BOX IS 5.9” X 10.10” (APPROX USPSA A ZONE)
CIRCLE IS 4” WITH 1” GRIP

[RJ]

Great! But in the notes...

Crap! Damn touch typing.

Thanks, I will fix that.

[RJ]

I was thinking it would be useful to have a Dot Torture target with less than 50 rounds, given the current ammo situation.

Below is 20 round version, with the same sequence, just less rounds.

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Standard rules for printing; no scaling, it's a PDF file. Circles should be 2", exactly.

EDIT: I can't seem to add the pdf version of the file. I am having issues in uploading. If/when I can get this problem worked out, I will upload the printable PDF.

[RJ]

Here is the PDF:

[Guerrero]

Here is the PDF:

TDA version, too?

[RJ]

TDA version, too?

I’m sorry, I’m not tracking what you are referring to?

[revchuck38]

I’m sorry, I’m not tracking what you are referring to?

There's a version of the original Dot Torture specifically for TDA guns.

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[RJ]

There's a version of the original Dot Torture specifically for TDA guns.

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Ah gotcha. Wasn't aware.

If there's an interest in that particular version, I can put it on my to do list.

[Guerrero]

Ah gotcha. Wasn't aware.

If there's an interest in that particular version, I can put it on my to do list.

There's interest.

[RJ]

There's interest.

Sure, give me a few days. I’m not near the computer where my *.odg source file is at until Sunday.

[RJ]

TDA version, too?


There's a version of the original Dot Torture specifically for TDA guns.

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Lemme know how this looks. I had to pick and choose to come up with 20 rounds; this is the plan I followed, but I don't know a lot about TDA guns. Does this make sense?

1 - 1 pair slow fire (DA/SA)
2 - draw, one shot DA (x2)
3, 4 – 1 DA on 3, 1 SA on 4, (x2)
5 – draw, 1 pair (DA/SA) strong hand only
6, 7 - draw, 2 on 6 (DA/SA), 2 on 7 (both SA)
8 – ready, 1 pair (DA/SA) weak hand only
9, 10 draw, 1 DA on 9, speed reload, 1 SA on 10 (x2)

PDF of target file:

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[Guerrero]

Lemme know how this looks. I had to pick and choose to come up with 20 rounds; this is the plan I followed, but I don't know a lot about TDA guns. Does this make sense?

1 - 1 pair slow fire (DA/SA)
2 - draw, one shot DA (x2)
3, 4 – 1 DA on 3, 1 SA on 4, (x2)
5 – draw, 1 pair (DA/SA) strong hand only
6, 7 - draw, 2 on 6 (DA/SA), 2 on 7 (both SA)
8 – ready, 1 pair (DA/SA) weak hand only
9, 10 draw, 1 DA on 9, speed reload, 1 SA on 10 (x2)

PDF of target file:

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That looks like a really good compromise. Thanks for doing this!

[LOBO]

What distance are these shot at?

[RJ]

What distance are these shot at?

Gabe suggests starting at 3 yards.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?37425-Week-328-Dot-Torture&highlight=torture

[RJ]

That looks like a really good compromise. Thanks for doing this!

You are very welcome. It was my pleasure.

[RJ]

I've been wanting some way of practicing transitions at the square range lately. It occurred to me that an element of the "Find Your Level" target I find useful is going from the 1" square to the larger targets.

So I ended up creating this "Transition Target". It includes a central 5" circle (superimposed with a light 1" reference grid for tracking groups sizes), and then a pair of 2" circle/1" square targets at the periphery. I made the labels run diagonally so the target could be hung either landscape or portrait.

The way I intend to use this is from say a 1" square to the center, or a 2" circle, same. Or you could transition from circle to circle, or square to square. Any order really, just so you change up shooting pace and force you to get a different sight picture for the harder/easier shots.

File is a standard PDF. Sizes should be accurate if printed with no scaling.

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[Zincwarrior]

You are very welcome. It was my pleasure.

Yes thank you.

[RJ]

I've been wanting some way of practicing transitions at the square range lately. It occurred to me that an element of the "Find Your Level" target I find useful is going from the 1" square to the larger targets.

So I ended up creating this "Transition Target". It includes a central 5" circle (superimposed with a light 1" reference grid for tracking groups sizes), and then a pair of 2" circle/1" square targets at the periphery. I made the labels run diagonally so the target could be hung either landscape or portrait.

The way I intend to use this is from say a 1" square to the center, or a 2" circle, same. Or you could transition from circle to circle, or square to square. Any order really, just so you change up shooting pace and force you to get a different sight picture for the harder/easier shots.

File is a standard PDF. Sizes should be accurate if printed with no scaling.

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I wasn't quite happy with this target after shooting it, so I added a darker 1" grid, a center dot aiming circle 0.25" size, and some other tweaks:

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[Zincwarrior]

Very nice.

[RJ]

JAH 3rd was commenting in another thread about adding contrast to the target at longer ranges, like 25 yards. So I took Tom's idea of an orange X ring up thread a bit, and made both the X ring and 10 rings orange.

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[Jared]

@RJ...

This is probably a STUPID question, but what software are you using to alter the colors on the B8?

[OlongJohnson]

JAH 3rd was commenting in another thread about adding contrast to the target at longer ranges, like 25 yards. So I took Tom's idea of an orange X ring up thread a bit, and made both the X ring and 10 rings orange.

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I've worked with the all-black and the orange-X versions. I find that if I use the orange-X when going for speed, I tend to go a little slower, as I take a little more time to try to settle the sights on the orange.

On the other hand, when trying for more accuracy at ranges where I can't readily distinguish the fuzzy white/light gray circles amongst the 9/10 center when focusing on the front sight, the orange-X is a big help.

Will have to see what I think of the orange-10.

[RJ]

@RJ...

This is probably a STUPID question, but what software are you using to alter the colors on the B8?

No worries. It's just a feature of the Libre Office "Draw" program that comes free with Linux Mint 18.

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I hope it's orange. I'm actually partly color blind, so I'm probably the last person you want designing colored targets. :cool:

[RJ]

With the pause in regular shooting due to ammo costs, I've been tinkering with target designs.

I've been practicing groups at 25 yards a fair bit lately. What I found was that I was getting "target distracted" by the large B8 bullseye at distance, and it was drawing my eye away from my front sights. I had done a different style of target, with just a large USPSA A zone (approximately) on a single sheet of paper. What I found was that I was able to do better in terms of sight focus, without the NRA B-8, by using just the A zone.

But I still wanted to score my results against a B8 out of 100.

So I took my "A Zone" target, with the prominent large box, and superimposed a light version of a B8 on top, so I could do both. I just called this "My_25yd_test" target:

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It is a *.pdf, so usual rules apply; print normally, without any scaling. The NRA B-8 should measure out i.e. the 8 ring should be 5.54". I always forget, so I added some text to provide a printed reference of all the circles sizes on a B8 so I don't have to go looking all the time.

My plan in shooting this is to continue to focus on front sight, press, but now I can see if I can get "10 on paper", as a first step. If I do manage to get 10, now I can actually score the target, like I would normally on a B-8, as well.

[RJ]

Keeping on with the theme of "lite" targets in view of the ammo shortage, last night I came upon the idea to thin out a great consistency drill by Guerilla Approach.

Greg Ellifritz talks about it's use, here:

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/guerrilla-approach-consistency-drill

The target is downloadable, here:

https://guerrillaapproach.com/consistency-target-free/

I took the same concept and tried to design a target that allowed the same drill, but tailored for 10 rounds. I assigned a par time of 10 seconds. (The GA target uses a Par of 25 seconds, for 24 rounds, but has a reload, typically). The course of fire is the same; put 1 round in each of the 1" circles, and 2 rounds in the 2" circles. A miss is 1.0 s penalty, and the suggested range is 3 yards.

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[RJ]

Keeping on with the theme of "lite" targets in view of the ammo shortage, last night I came upon the idea to thin out a great consistency drill by Guerilla Approach.

Greg Ellifritz talks about it's use, here:

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/guerrilla-approach-consistency-drill

The target is downloadable, here:

https://guerrillaapproach.com/consistency-target-free/

I took the same concept and tried to design a target that allowed the same drill, but tailored for 10 rounds. I assigned a par time of 10 seconds. (The GA target uses a Par of 25 seconds, for 24 rounds, but has a reload, typically). The course of fire is the same; put 1 round in each of the 1" circles, and 2 rounds in the 2" circles. A miss is 1.0 s penalty, and the suggested range is 3 yards.



Purely a personal preference, but I realized what I really wanted out of this was a way to practice 1" SQUARES, not circles. So I redid a V2 of this with 1" squares and 2" circles. All the rest is the same.

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I did end up shooting the original target at the range yesterday, at 3 yards. Man this is useful drill. My score was 3/10, untimed; I was shooting at a 1 per second pace. Very good for focusing on the problem at hand, and the transitions from small to big and back again really messes with you, even at 3 yards. I think this is a good way to start and end a range session; and at 10 rounds per, very much aligns with my goal of having something that matches up to my 10 round carry gun (G48), as well as giving you a trackable metric with reduced round count.

[RJ]

Member kjr_29 asked in in a recent thread (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?46371-Dot-torture-for-DA-revolvers&p=1171682#post1171682) about a Dot Torture for DA revolvers.

After some discussion and excellent input from him and Duelist, we put together this course of fire for a five shot snubby, which I entered into a printable pdf, below:

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[RJ]

I made up a couple "zero" targets to help me with my new Holosun 507c. I did this partly because I wanted to make sure I understood MOA, and the relative sizes of the reticle at typical ranges I shoot, and to use as a means of sighting in the MRDS on my pistol.

I created two, one for a 10 yards zero and one for 25 yards. The targets have circles to represent both elements of the sight on the Holosun optic (a 2 MOA dot and a 32 MOA circle), and a cross hatched grid of squares with sizes that relate to 1 MOA at the specified range.

10 yard Zero Target:

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25 yard Zero Target:

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[JM Campbell]

I made up a couple "zero" targets to help me with my new Holosun 507c. I did this partly because I wanted to make sure I understood MOA, and the relative sizes of the reticle at typical ranges I shoot, and to use as a means of sighting in the MRDS on my pistol.

I created two, one for a 10 yards zero and one for 25 yards. The targets have circles to represent both elements of the sight on the Holosun optic (a 2 MOA dot and a 32 MOA circle), and a cross hatched grid of squares with sizes that relate to 1 MOA at the specified range.

10 yard Zero Target:

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25 yard Zero Target:

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HCM need to print these up and add to your target folder because I’ll always forget them. [emoji2357]


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[richiecotite]

There used to be a orange B8 posted in the thread...could anyone repost the link/image or recreate. Just a B8 with the 9 and 10 rings ( in orange instead of black.


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[Guerrero]

There used to be a orange B8 posted in the thread...could anyone repost the link/image or recreate. Just a B8 with the 9 and 10 rings ( in orange instead of black.


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From context, it looks like that was a Tom_Jones post, all of which have been disappeared.

[RJ]

There used to be a orange B8 posted in the thread...could anyone repost the link/image or recreate. Just a B8 with the 9 and 10 rings ( in orange instead of black.


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[TZIM]

Some variations on the B-8 target.

This link opens to my Google Drive account (I hope that is acceptable). https://docs.google.com/document/d/11s0qYBQe_ax0SQ7BUFq4cHImPVZnsyNDBo1e7dNXgpI/edit?usp=sharing

[LOBO]

What distance is the snubby target to be shot at?

Any 50/200 zero targets for red dots?


BTW, thanks for all the targets! They are very helpful!!

[RJ]

This is related to the Pin Shoot event in Central Lake MI. Reference thread here:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?53145-The-Pin-Shoot-Central-Lake-MI

Attached are two full size printable "Pin" targets. The difference is one has an "X" on it, meant to be used as the "hostage" pin (i.e. shooting this pin incurs a stiff penalty.) Both feature a synopsis / reference of the "pin set" measurements for ease of reference.

[RJ]

...and below are attached two "half-size" pin targets. These are scaled versions of the full size, A, and B, just with additional "pins" on each. I find these useful for use on the square range, to be able to set out multiple pins and practice transitions, live. The A version and B version differ by where the hostage pin is placed, allowing for multiple pin sets, if desired.

[RJ]

What distance is the snubby target to be shot at?

Any 50/200 zero targets for red dots?


BTW, thanks for all the targets! They are very helpful!!

I'm sorry, I completely missed this question. I am not sure if there is a proscribed range for dot torture. I'm no great shooter, so I use 3 yards for the snubby. That's pretty hard for me with my Ruger LCR.

I don't have any zeroing targets for 50/200 yards. I think I've seen some sighting targets, where the dot / sighting marks differ in elevation by the parallax error induced by the RDS being above the bore axis, that that leads into rifle stuff. I am not a rifle guy, for sure.

[LOBO]

I'm sorry, I completely missed this question. I am not sure if there is a proscribed range for dot torture. I'm no great shooter, so I use 3 yards for the snubby. That's pretty hard for me with my Ruger LCR.

I don't have any zeroing targets for 50/200 yards. I think I've seen some sighting targets, where the dot / sighting marks differ in elevation by the parallax error induced by the RDS being above the bore axis, that that leads into rifle stuff. I am not a rifle guy, for sure.

Thank you very much!!

[Tamara]

What we really need with most of the shooting we do with pistols is to simply move the trigger to the rear without changing our grip or disrupting the gun's alignment on target. Even at extended distance the best shots I fire are usually the result of simply moving the trigger rather than carefully building pressure on it. That's another focus in class.

Properly controlling the trigger is important and requires instruction and reenforcement, but the typical dogma assigned to the topic doesn't serve people well.

I can't remember where on social media I stumbled across this, but it's the first "joke diagnostic target" I've seen in a very long while that I actually saved.

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[Guerrero]

I can't remember where on social media I stumbled across this, but it's the first "joke diagnostic target" I've seen in a very long while that I actually saved.

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Can someone (maybe RJ ) make me a pdf of this, B8 sized, with the blak as the "you held the gun still" and the "you moved the gun" as the rest?

:D

[RJ]

Can someone (maybe RJ ) make me a pdf of this, B8 sized, with the blak as the "you held the gun still" and the "you moved the gun" as the rest?

:D

Hopefully close to what you want, this is a B-8 with the graphic overlaid. Size of the overlay graphic was set to be same as the B-8 black i.e. 9 ring i.e. approx 5.54".

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Thoughts? Maybe we should take this to the printed targets thread instead of here?

PS *.pdf is attached for download/print.

[Paul Blackburn]

Hopefully close to what you want, this is a B-8 with the graphic overlaid. Size of the overlay graphic was set to be same as the B-8 black i.e. 9 ring i.e. approx 5.54".

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Thoughts? Maybe we should take this to the printed targets thread instead of here?

PS *.pdf is attached for download/print.

"you moved the gun" should be outside the bold circle and remove the inner ring. Its too small.

[Guerrero]

"you moved the gun" should be outside the bold circle and remove the inner ring. Its too small.

Agreed. "You held the gun still" should be the 9-10-X and the "you moved..." should be the 7-8 (on an 8.5" x 11" paper).

[RJ]

Agreed. "You held the gun still" should be the 9-10-X and the "you moved..." should be the 7-8 (on an 8.5" x 11" paper).

Confused. Can you give me some dimensions in inches?

Edit, I mean, aside from the novelty factor, if you want it the size of a B8, why not just use a B8? Not trying to be “that guy”, I’m genuinely confused; you are talking about putting rounds in a 5.54” circle? Or the 8 ring?

[Paul Blackburn]

Confused. Can you give me some dimensions in inches?

Edit, I mean, aside from the novelty factor, if you want it the size of a B8, why not just use a B8? Not trying to be “that guy”, I’m genuinely confused; you are talking about putting rounds in a 5.54” circle? Or the 8 ring?

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[Paul Blackburn]

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[Guerrero]

Confused. Can you give me some dimensions in inches?

Edit, I mean, aside from the novelty factor, if you want it the size of a B8, why not just use a B8? Not trying to be “that guy”, I’m genuinely confused; you are talking about putting rounds in a 5.54” circle? Or the 8 ring?

Yes, it's the novelty factor: a "diagnostic target" that actually diagnoses what you're doing wrong, plus it's in the same dimensions of one of the most useful targets in existence.


So, a joke that's actually useful. Make the "you held the gun still" 5.5 inches in diameter (the black of a B8), and the "you moved the gun" the rest of the size of the scoring rings, on an 8.5" x 11" paper.

Bonus if you can make the "you held the gun still" part black, like the... er... black part of a B8

[RJ]

Ahhhh...ok, light dimly coming on. I'm not able to do anything like that at the moment, but if I get a chance will try and knock something out soonᵗᵐ.

[RJ]

...like the... er... black part of a B8

Yeah...B8...seewhatimsayin'? That's why I was confused (i.e. why not just shoot a B8).

But I get the novelty. Absent the words, reducing this to the lowest possible number of drawing primitives (2), instead of a B-8 with all that scoring ring jazz you could just have a circle, 5.54" in diameter, in white, sitting on a black page. (*) You could use it like this:

Shoot. If you see a hit in the white circle - "you held the gun still"

Shoot. If you see nothing in white circle - "you moved the gun"

Kinda like a steel plate, the size of a B-8 bull.

That'd be pretty easy. I could even put a heart in the middle. :cool:



* Playing around with Libre Office Draw is preferable to packing the truck with moving boxes, and besides it's almost time for a Bourbon, so I knocked one up in draft form just now. I'll let ya have a chance to think about it before posting it, though. It looks like a handy way to practice the concepts in the original thread, to be honest.

[RJ]

Guerrero

Thoughts?

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[Guerrero]

Guerrero

Thoughts?

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Much bigger font. I want the guy in the next lane to be able to read it. ;)

[Paul Blackburn]

Guerrero

Thoughts?

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The gray background uses too much ink

[RJ]

Much bigger font. I want the guy in the next lane to be able to read it. ;)

Yeah...no. I think it's ok. I can barely see anything at 7 yards as it is; adding bigger words is just going to be distracting, I reckon. Having said that, I'll come back to it after I print one and shoot it at the square range, but that's going to be till after the holidays.

[Jim Watson]

Looks like an attack of the Cutesies to me.

The range here would sometimes get in targets with nine black circles, maybe 5" diameter, on one large sheet. No rings but the circles are numbered for tracking or for sequencing exercises. I haven't seen any in a while, I guess they are too dull to suit the usual lane rental denizens who like zombies and wild colors.

[gringop]

Thoughts?

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"Shot through the heart and you're to blame
Darling, you give love a bad name."

Sorry, it's the only thought that came to me.

Gringop

[awp_101]

Much bigger font. I want the guy in the next lane to be able to read it. ;)
As he's shooting your target and trying to figure out why there's no holes in his target?

[Guerrero]

As he's shooting your target and trying to figure out why there's no holes in his target?

Indeed!

[Guerrero]

I took a crack at it. I'm no artist.

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[RJ]

I wanted a target with some 1" squares on it, but with the ability to use for general purpose, "what size groups am I shooting today" type of thing. Ended up with this. The rings are from an NRA B-8, with an aiming mark at the center. I shot it today, liked it.

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[RJ]

Oh. Crap. I am such a moron.

I was just now printing off some B-8 repair centers off my local printer, when for whatever reason I checked the B-8 9 ring for size.

It measured 4.5". 4.5". Just to let that sink in, the correct size of an NRA B-8 is supposed to be 5.54". 5.54". Not 4.5". Mind, I have been printing and using these targets for literally years. I looked (finally) at my scaling settings for my local network printer, and realized it was set to "fit the page" and not "actual size". Actual size. As in, the correct size.

I have been shooting paper targets for at least two years with dimensions approximately 80% of what they should be. All my 1" squares are 0.8". All my 2" circles are 1.6". Etc. Etc. Etc. Meaning every single one of my scored or timed drills or exercises has been that much harder to hit, accurately, within the scoring boxes. ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH.

After this sledgehammer hit me on the side of the head, I reprinted all my targets (B-8, Find Your Level, My First Target, My Quad Squares, My Dot Torture Lite) and WOW! it was like I had reading glasses on, they were so big.

I'm making this post, just in case, someone else is printing off target files from this thread and not getting the correct size of the targets. I mean, I suspect most of you are switched on in this regard (more so than me, that's for sure) but just in case, BE SURE TO TURN PRINTER SCALING OFF, PRIOR TO PRINTING. CHECK TARGET CIRCLES AND BOXES WITH A RULER, JUST TO MAKE SURE.

[stomridertx]

Oh. Crap. I am such a moron.

I was just now printing off some B-8 repair centers off my local printer, when for whatever reason I checked the B-8 9 ring for size.

It measured 4.5". 4.5". Just to let that sink in, the correct size of an NRA B-8 is supposed to be 5.54". 5.54". Not 4.5". Mind, I have been printing and using these targets for literally years. I looked (finally) at my scaling settings for my local network printer, and realized it was set to "fit the page" and not "actual size". Actual size. As in, the correct size.

I have been shooting paper targets for at least two years with dimensions approximately 80% of what they should be. All my 1" squares are 0.8". All my 2" circles are 1.6". Etc. Etc. Etc. Meaning every single one of my scored or timed drills or exercises has been that much harder to hit, accurately, within the scoring boxes. ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH.

After this sledgehammer hit me on the side of the head, I reprinted all my targets (B-8, Find Your Level, My First Target, My Quad Squares, My Dot Torture Lite) and WOW! it was like I had reading glasses on, they were so big.

I'm making this post, just in case, someone else is printing off target files from this thread and not getting the correct size of the targets. I mean, I suspect most of you are switched on in this regard (more so than me, that's for sure) but just in case, BE SURE TO TURN PRINTER SCALING OFF, PRIOR TO PRINTING. CHECK TARGET CIRCLES AND BOXES WITH A RULER, JUST TO MAKE SURE.

I learned the horrors of scaling and print settings the hard way in all this target creating, I feel your pain. You can unintentionally alter a shape's dimensions when changing stroke measurements as well when creating vector shapes, I've got a habit now of triple checking dimensions before I add another layer.

[stomridertx]

This is a target design I created out of a desire to have a legal sized general use pistol target I can make sure I always have on hand. My piece together large target has come a long way from what I've posted earlier, but sometimes I just don't have time or don't want to mess with putting together a large target. I find this target useful for a lot of different drills and zeroing, especially when I'm shooting a low round count that day between RSO duties and just want to get some useful training rounds downrange in a short time.
- Print on Legal sized paper. Most printers can do this, the tray can expand out.
- Top rectangle is 3"x5"
- Bullseye is based on the FBI/10-8 dimensions with spokes to make it useful for zeroing
- circles are 1"
- measurement grid overlay is 1"
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[stomridertx]

Here is my version of a 25 yard pistol optic zero target. I played around with a lot of aiming point concepts and landed on this one as the easiest to center the dot. I've also found with close distance targets that a grid smaller than the bullet holes is too distracting, so I settled on a 1/2" square grid. The aiming point works well with all the current dot sizes available as well as the Holosun circle dot reticle.
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[nycnoob]

After this sledgehammer hit me on the side of the head, I reprinted all my targets
(B-8, Find Your Level, My First Target, My Quad Squares, My Dot Torture Lite)
and WOW! it was like I had reading glasses on, they were so big.


Don't forget that the B8 target is part of a series of targets which are all about the same MOA
when shot at the appropriate distance. My goto reference for this is here: www.indecorous.com/bullseye/rings.html

I do not understand why the B3 (similar to B8 to be shot at 16.7 yards) in particular
is not a more popular target, its aiming black 3.0 inches is closer to the anatomical
targets (3x5 inch card) suggested by Bolke and Douglas.

You might wish to investigate which scaling settings will produce the B3 or B5 targets.

[stomridertx]

Pistol Optic 10 Yard Zero Target

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[stomridertx]

B-8 Bull
This was mainly just busy work for me while listening to a podcast. I've been trying to get better at 25 yard B-8 shooting lately and ran out of ones I had printed, so decided to add one of my favorite targets to my own design collection. Practice with the software always helps with vector graphic design. The only thing special about mine from others is the 1" square grid overlay, which I find helpful on every target I make. I also use 50% grey, which in my experience is just as visible as black downrange but easier on your printer ink or toner. If someone wants a brighter color, that's a 30 second task for me to fulfill.

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[stomridertx]

I didn't want to be left out of previous shenanigans. It's Sunday and I'm bored.

*Edit - There was way more enthusiasm for this ridiculous target than I expected, so I cleaned up the text and converted it from a half-assed effort to a whole-assed effort. When I first did it I didn't spend much time making sure the curve of the text was matching the circles or if the letters were aligning correctly when rendering.

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[Guerrero]

^^^^^Tactical f'ing like!

[stomridertx]

What distance is the snubby target to be shot at?

Any 50/200 zero targets for red dots?


BTW, thanks for all the targets! They are very helpful!!

AR-15 Red Dot Zero 25 yards, 50 or 100 yard calibrated POI.

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[stomridertx]

Riflescope 100 Yard Zero - MOA

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[LOBO]

Very cool targets!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you sir!!

[Guerrero]

FYI

2" circle = 3.14 in2
3" x 3" Post-It Note = 9 in2
4" circle = 12.57 in2
3" x 5" = 15 in2
4" x 6" = 24 in2
"black" area on a B8 (9, 10, X rings - 5.54" diameter) = 24.11 in2
6" circle = 28.27 in2
5.5" x 8.5" (the "Hearne Zone") = 46.75 in2
8" circle = 50.27 in2
"Bakersfield Oval" (9 x 13") = 91.89 in2

[RJ]

For whatever reason, a couple days ago this video popped up in my feed. I know, just another 1911 video, but what really set the hook in me was when the Tester at the factory pulled his target out of the indoor range, and showed the results. This happens at 8:50:


https://youtu.be/Q7XUtgIVo7k

This is a still from the video at that point:

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I immediately thought, Woah! I need to find out what that target is, since here they are, using it to prove guns at the factory (Union Switch and Signal, in this case) during WWII.

Off I went on a hunt. First couple searched turned up nothing, but then I happened on a post in a forum which mentioned the Federal Specification for the M1911A1, also known as "Federal Specification, Pistol, Caliber .45 Automatic: M1911A1", D-P-355a. This led me to one of my favorite sites for looking up Federal standards, Everyspec. Well, they had a copy of 355a, dated 1964.

Woot!

Included in the standard are references to targeting and accuracy, as follows:

3.3.26.1 Targeting. At a range of 15 yards, at least 4 shots out of a series of 7 shots shall be within or cut the edge of a 3-inch diameter circle (sighting image), and the center of impact of the 7-shot group shall not be located more than 4 inches radially from the center of the sighting image when tested as specified in 4.3.3.1 and 4.4.7.

3.3.26.2 Accuracy. At a range of 15 yards, 7 consecutive shots shall be within or cut the edge of a 4-inch diameter circle when tested as specified in 4.3.3. 1 and 4.4.7.

4.4.7 Targeting and accuracy firing test. The pistols shall be tested for targeting and accuracy requirement (see 3.3.26) by firing seven rounds of ammunition from a fully loaded magazine with the pistol sights aligned at 6 o’clock on the sighting image.

Well now I was really interested. This was the earliest mention I've ever seen of a "6 o'clock hold". I'd long assumed that this was done at the bottom of the black on a B-8 repair center. But what if it wasn't? What if 1911s manufactured at Colts (and other companies during wartime) actually tested this hold on this target...not a B-8?

And so off I went. I found pictures of "test targets" online but never any data or reference information on the sizes of the circles that make up the target. Some were marked "T-10", some "T-10A".

After a bit more legwork, I made some what I thought were reasonable assumptions about a test target based on the spec, and all the images I'd looked at, and produced one that looked similar. Comparing it to a "real" T10, I think it ended up being pretty close.


Random example of a Colt Gold Cup+Test target (not my image) I found on the internet on the left, my Springfield sitting on my target on the right.
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Ring sizes are:

10 – 1.0”
9 – 2.0”
8 – 3.0”
7 – 4.0”
6 – 5.5”
5 – 7.0”
4 – 9.0”

It seems to me that it'd be logical the primary targeting spec value of 3" in D-P-355a would be "in the black", and the allowable targeting value of 4" would be included as well. 1" and 2" rings are provided as another easy bullseye reference, and the outer ring being 9" would fit with 1/2" space if the target paper was 10x10, but not sure about all this obviously. 5.5" and 7" are each a bit bigger, making the 6 ring and 5 ring proportionally larger than the 7.

Since the Tester had to sign off on the gun, I added what looks kinda sorta like the Inspection stamp, with a place to put the number of the gun, tester signature and date. I also added a 3" aiming circle as a reminder to shoot this at the 6 o'clock hold, centered on the bottom of the black (3" circle). Obviously this only applies to 1911s.

I put a 1" segment on the top right as well, as a way to quickly check your print out is scaled correctly. If this measures 1", you are good to go.

Target looks like this, but don't download the picture, grab the pdf attached, for high-res print.

I'm definitely going to try this out as soon as I can. :cool:

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[RJ]

Target looks like this, but don't download the picture, grab the pdf attached, for high-res print.



Somebody on another forum asked for a version applicable to a wider range of pistols, so I made a "General Purpose" T-10 without any clutter.

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[Joe in PNG]

Here's one I threw together with negative scoring:
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[RJ]

Here's one I threw together with negative scoring:...



I really like that concept. Are those rings B-8 sized?

[Joe in PNG]

I really like that concept. Are those rings B-8 sized?

No- I rounded up the circles to even numbers, so it's a touch bigger. I used my electronics DIY design program to gin that up.

[RJ]

I stole leveraged Joe in PNG's idea to use down zero type scoring to create a B-8. Named imaginatively as a "B-8 DZ" (hey I'm an engineer.)

I shot it today, and counting down from 100 was a lot easier than counting up from 0.

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[RJ]

I recently did a fair bit of digging around here:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?57529-Original-Colt-M1911A1-Test-Target-T-10-Ring-Sizes

to try and locate an older Test Target associated with production of Wartime (wwii) production Colt 1911s. This Test Target was also apparently included with Colt revolvers (in particular the Python) at Hartford, from the 50s well into the 60s and early 70s. It was labeled as a "T-10", but I was unable to locate a definition of the ring sizes.

After a month or so with no luck in searching online for actual dimensions, anywhere, a member on another forum was kind enough to mail me a copy of his. I took this copy and compared this with all the photographs I had found to create what I believe is an approximate "2023" version of the T-10. As used at the Colt factory, this was typically annotated by the Tester as being shot from 15 yards with an arm rest, 5 shots.

Anyway, here 'tis:

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The PDF for download is parked at my Google Drive:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RDsGqzJxjKySEYTjadKHxXHJHHKhrYmO/view?usp=drive_link

[Guerrero]

FYI

2" circle = 3.14 in2
3" x 3" Post-It Note = 9 in2
4" circle = 12.57 in2
3" x 5" = 15 in2
4" x 6" = 24 in2
"black" area on a B8 (9, 10, X rings - 5.54" diameter) = 24.11 in2
6" circle = 28.27 in2
5.5" x 8.5" (the "Hearne Zone") = 46.75 in2
8" circle = 50.27 in2
"Bakersfield Oval" (9 x 13") = 91.89 in2

IPSC "A" Zone (5.9 x 11") = 64.9 in2

[RJ]

I recently did a fair bit of digging around here:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?57529-Original-Colt-M1911A1-Test-Target-T-10-Ring-Sizes

to try and locate an older Test Target associated with production of Wartime (wwii) production Colt 1911s...


Two updates on this:

I ended up buying one of the "Colt" reproduction test targets for $15 as it turns out. After looking that over in detail, I revised just one of the ring dimensions. I also created a place on my Google drive for the updated target pdf file, link below. The "Current" one is dated 8/1/2023.

Link to T-10 2023: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RDsGqzJxjKySEYTjadKHxXHJHHKhrYmO/view?usp=drive_link

I also wanted one for more practical use, i.e. with a 1" grid for computing FOM and so on. So I made a copy and created a separate file with the grid background. Link below:

Link to T-10 2023 w 1" Grid: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FcjrR5C2biviHRbGUVUDV0nH0fFzWFoz/view?usp=drive_link

Looks like this:

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[RJ]

I really like Tom Givens "Casino Drill" for a short, 21 round exercise in gun handling.

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/the-casino-drill/

So much so I was thinking of a way to do essentially the same thing at my square range. The target used for the drill is pretty big, and where I shoot doesn't allow me to draw from the holster.

So as a way to approximate the same skillset (engage multiple targets with different counts, perform reloads, etc) I came up with a "One-Arm Bandit" drill (it's not the whole Casino :cool:), below.

CoF is three mags, 5 rounds each, 15 rounds, in sequence putting number of rounds indicated on each target:

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Link to Google Drive https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iQ6Ri45tvZkcURHF7GJFialGHVExfy-N/view?usp=sharing

[Guerrero]

I came up with a "One-Arm Bandit" drill (it's not the whole Casino :cool:)

Nice.