S&W Shield in 45 acp

[HCM]

S&W appears to be releasing a .45 version of the shield.

It appears the NRA show has become a preferred over SHOT for new product roll outs.

http://carolinagunrunners.net/smith-wesson-shield-45-acp/

[HCM]

Mods - can you please fix the title ? God damn auto correct.

[GJM]

I just hope Aimpoint agrees with the importance of the NRA show.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I just hope Aimpoint agrees with the importance of the NRA show.

Oh HELLS yes, if we could only see that new AP pistol optic rolled out this wknd.

[HCM]

I just hope Aimpoint agrees with the importance of the NRA show.


Oh I'm sure they agree with the importance of the NRA show in general - the question is, this year's NRA show ?

[orionz06]

From a shooters perspective it seems dumb as hell. From a business perspective it probably makes sense, Bubba don't care, Bubba would buy a Shield in .46 if they made it.

[HCM]

From a shooters perspective it seems dumb as hell. From a business perspective it probably makes sense, Bubba don't care, Bubba would buy a Shield in .46 if they made it.

Absolutely.

I was just hoping for something else from S&W. Maybe MHS related. Maybe next year.

[HCM]

Oh HELLS yes, if we could only see that new AP pistol optic rolled out this wknd.

I would rather see it rolled out when they get it right. AP tends to be like HK that way.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I would rather see it rolled out when they get it right. AP tends to be like HK that way.

We're on the same page mi amigo as that is how AP operates IMO.

My hope is it's ready & they don't let the current flood of Eo checks delay things due to the resulting good sales #'s.

[coldcase1984]

Back to the OP subject, am I the only one who wishes S&W would offer a Shield L version (4-in. bbl), so the little buggers would wiggle less IWB and AIWB?

I'm sure the .45 version will recoil more mildly than the .40!

[Luke]

I hate shooting 9 out of a shield.. I couldn't imagine .45. I'm guessing it holds 4 rounds?lol

[Chuck Haggard]

Back to the OP subject, am I the only one who wishes S&W would offer a Shield L version (4-in. bbl), so the little buggers would wiggle less IWB and AIWB?

I'm sure the .45 version will recoil more mildly than the .40!

I'd like them to make a G19 sized, or 3906 sized if you will, version. That would be flat as hell AIWB and likely hold ten rounds in the mag.

In 9mm of course.

[41magfan]

The spec's are just slightly larger the 9mm/40 model .... not enough to even matter.

If it proves to be reliable, I suspect they'll sell a ton of them.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_780153_-1_757781_757781_image

[VolGrad]

Back to the OP subject, am I the only one who wishes S&W would offer a Shield L version (4-in. bbl), so the little buggers would wiggle less IWB and AIWB?

I'm sure the .45 version will recoil more mildly than the .40!

This would make much more sense than offering a .45acp. I have no idea why folks would want a .45acp this small. I just don't get it. To each his own I suppose. I am guessing it's folks that never plan to shoot them.

[RJ]

Absolutely.

I was just hoping for something else from S&W. Maybe MHS related. Maybe next year.

Like maybe a Gen 2 M&P full size 9 mm pistol that shoots 4" groups at 25 yards and has a trigger that is not like dragging sandpaper over concrete?

Nah. Why would they do that? :cool:

[Hambo]

I was perfectly happy with S&W when they made J, K, and N frame revolvers and 3rd Gen autos. But obviously I'm not representative of the majority of the gun buying public.

[coldcase1984]

"I'd like them to make a G19 sized, or 3906 sized if you will, version. That would be flat as hell AIWB and likely hold ten rounds in the mag.

In 9mm of course. " Chuck Haggard

I suggested same thing to my Glock Re-certification Instructor at IALEFI ATC couple weeks back, Chuck. I'd pretty much stick with that all the time for OD carry. Probably be better duty pistol for many IBOs, too.

After sanding on my Shield 9's trigger guard last weekend and using the long mag, I was making faster draws from AIWB (safely) from a low-price Blade-Tech than any other pistol I possess.

[BobLoblaw]

I'm more excited that S&W has realized their grip texture (or lack of) is pointless. Hopefully, they'll apply that knowledge to all M&P frames from now on.

[Peally]

45? Fucking why...

[TAZ]

45? Fucking why...

Because 46 wasn't available.

My guess is to compete with the xds45.

[Peally]

Because 46 wasn't available.

My guess is to compete with the xds45.

Makes sense, gotta edge into the "borderline useless stupidly overpowered low capacity round in an extremely uncomfortable tiny package but it's .45 so mouth breathers will buy it" market share.

[RJ]

I'm more excited that S&W has realized their grip texture (or lack of) is pointless. Hopefully, they'll apply that knowledge to all M&P frames from now on.

Agree 100%. Plus, front cocking serrations is a plus, imho.

The squirminess of the Shield was a problem for me. But with what, a million? of them sold, it is a solid little gun. Hopefully they'll roll these two improvements into the Gen 2 Shield.

[HopetonBrown]

Glock 36s sell so well S&W decided to make their own version?

[Hambo]

Glock 36s sell so well S&W decided to make their own version?

Yes, in fairness to S&W they didn't pioneer this road. Glock, SA, Kahr, etc, did. If you could make a .45 this size/weight work with 185gr SWC's you would have pretty much the equivalent of j-frame .38 WC but more of them. That is, if you wanted to sort all that out.

[davisj]

I'd like them to make a G19 sized, or 3906 sized if you will, version. That would be flat as hell AIWB and likely hold ten rounds in the mag.

In 9mm of course.

An M&P 22c in 9mm would be the bee's knees!

[Up1911Fan]

I'd like them to make a G19 sized, or 3906 sized if you will, version. That would be flat as hell AIWB and likely hold ten rounds in the mag.

In 9mm of course.

I've been hoping for the same, but from Glock. A scaled up G43, or single stack G19 if you will.

[Mark]

Come on.....I was holding out for a next gen (MHS related) M&P9 with the general dynamics barrels that are supposed to be 4 inch at 50 yards guns......and we get a .45 Shield? So you reduce the benefits of the shield and add negatives. S&W, I've been patient but it may be time to write you off.

[psalms144.1]

45? Fucking why...8013 This from the guy who carries NOTHING but 9mm, of course...

[psalms144.1]

Come on.....I was holding out for a next gen (MHS related) M&P9 with the general dynamics barrels that are supposed to be 4 inch at 50 yards guns......and we get a .45 Shield? So you reduce the benefits of the shield and add negatives. S&W, I've been patient but it may be time to write you off.Don't feel bad. We HK fans have been waiting (notveryfucking) patiently for the VP9C/sk, and all we got was a VP9 in baby poop yellow.

Besides, the GD-barreled M&P will come with the "government contract" special price of $9,999, after the cost of the MHS testing and ammo development is factored in.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Um...

Yeah. I'm going to try it out and see what I think of it. I'm stuck in a low capacity state anyway so I don't give up much of anything.

I'm going to think of it as a J-frame/.45 I carry when I'm not carrying.

If it will do 500 rounds without a failure and doesn't require sending back to the factory twice (like my 9mm did...) I'm going to call it the big bore J-Frame(bottom feeder).

[HCM]

45? Fucking why...

Because they will sell a ton of them.

Competes with the Glock 36 and the XDS-45.

It will likely shoot softer than the .40 version if you use 185 grain loads.

[John Hearne]

I am one of a handful of folks that still thinks there is a meaningful advantage to the 45 as a service cartridge. Neither I, or anyone I know that shares my belief will think this one is a good idea. 3.3" is simply way too little barrel to launch any conventional 45 ACP load. The only 9mm I ever carry has a 3.5" barrel. I suspect that there isn't enough grip to control the cartridge as well. I guess it will at least be comforting if nothing else.

[Peally]

I'm not knocking .45 in general, but I've shot the XDS-45 and my humble opinion is it's pretty fucking useless as far as good controllable handguns go.

I'm sure there'll be plenty of "GODS CALIBER!" people lined up for this one though. This is why I'm not in marketing.

[Greg]

Cuz teh 45 is GOD'S CALIBER!!!

I didn't want you guys to have to wait for it..... :cool:


If you live in a commie pinko state that limits mag capacity (NY) it makes mo betta sense.

[farscott]

Cuz teh 45 is GOD'S CALIBER!!!

I didn't want you guys to have to wait for it..... :cool:


If you live in a commie pinko state that limits mag capacity (NY) it makes mo betta sense.

I was thinking that there are three different reasons for a .45 Shield: 1) Get some of the market that wants a .46, 2) Compete for the three-inch 1911-pattern buyers, and 3) Have something ready to go in case another magazine capacity law passes. The NY law had to be a bit of a wake-up call for the gunmakers.

[StraitR]

Cuz teh 45 is GOD'S CALIBER!!!

I didn't want you guys to have to wait for it..... :cool:


If you live in a commie pinko state that limits mag capacity (NY) it makes mo betta sense.

I don't see how that makes any sense.

1) Even comparable sized single stack 9mm offerings will fall under the standard mag limit of 10 rounds in ban states.

2) If you're already being limited on magazine capacity in a ban state, why pick a gun that's bigger, harder to shoot, and with even less capacity?

This gun is being made because there's a market for it. The typical PFer isn't in that market.

[Greg]

I remember reading that Cuomo (Italian for mouth like a Grouper) wanted a 7 round limit for magazines and just assumed it passed. Turns out NY went with a 10 round limit.

[HCM]

I remember reading that Cuomo (Italian for mouth like a Grouper) wanted a 7 round limit for magazines and just assumed it passed. Turns out NY went with a 10 round limit.

NY had already adopted a mirror of the 1994 assault weapons ban. The SAFE act eliminated the exception for pre-ban mags, and tried to implement a requirement for only carrying 7 rounds in 10 round mags but that portion was struck down via the courts. NY'er can now proudly carry their full 10 rounds in their neutered 10 round mags.

FUAC.

[Kyle Reese]

They should release one in 45 GAP.


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[Holmes375]

Back to the OP subject, am I the only one who wishes S&W would offer a Shield L version (4-in. bbl), so the little buggers would wiggle less IWB and AIWB?....

JM Custom offers a long version holster option for the Shield which increases stability rather noticeably. Its about the same length as for a 4" barrel handgun.

Another option that's easy to do is add a foam pad to an existing holster which helps tuck the grip in and increases stability in terms of roll out. I find them more comfortable with the pad, too.

[Beat Trash]

They should release one in 45 GAP.


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Please do not give them any ideas...

[WOLFIE]

[QUOTE=TYR;446766]They should release one in 45 GAP.


With the shorter cartridge length, the chamber can be shorter and the rifled part of the barrel can be increased. In my theory anyway. I don't know if the 45 GAP would have more velocity than the 45 auto. I read somewhere that the 45 GAP is a slightly less powerful cartridge than the 45 auto even though the 45 GAP is a high pressure cartridge.

[cathellsk]

Here are some comparison pics to a 9mm I took today at the NRA SHOW...

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/cathellsk/Mobile%20Uploads/image_1.jpeg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/cathellsk/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_1.jpeg.html)
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/cathellsk/Mobile%20Uploads/image.jpeg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/cathellsk/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image.jpeg.html)

[WOLFIE]

Thank you for the pictures. It looks like the grip is longer on the 45.

[Holmes375]

Thank you for the pictures. It looks like the grip is longer on the 45.

Yes, it appears to be similar to the length of the 9mm with the 8 round magazine. I like the aspect of the heel better, too. This 45 may sit in my hand a bit better than the 9mm.

Interesting how they added more radius to the slide on the 45. I imagine this helps keep the weight down.

[BillSWPA]

This gun does make sense in places where hollow points are not permitted, although such places also tend to have very small numbers of people who can legally carry guns.

[Beat Trash]

I would like to see a 9mm Shield made in the size of the new 45 Shield. Make a Shield that can handle a 10 round magazine without an extension. I'd be willing to bet this would sell.

One of my concerns with the 45 Shield would be the effect the short barrel would have on the ballistics of the cartridge.

[WOLFIE]

Yes, it appears to be similar to the length of the 9mm with the 8 round magazine. I like the aspect of the heel better, too. This 45 may sit in my hand a bit better than the 9mm.

Interesting how they added more radius to the slide on the 45. I imagine this helps keep the weight down.

I did not notice the increased radius before. I like the heel of the 45 better as well.

[Holmes375]

I would like to see a 9mm Shield made in the size of the new 45 Shield. Make a Shield that can handle a 10 round magazine without an extension. I'd be willing to bet this would sell.

One of my concerns with the 45 Shield would be the effect the short barrel would have on the ballistics of the cartridge.

I'd like to see this new frame with a 3.75" barrel in either caliber. Better ballistics, no harder to conceal but better inside-the-belt stability. A 10+1 9mm in this configuration would be a sweet carry piece in my reality.

[psalms144.1]

Interesting comparison pics, thanks. There's a "whole lot less more" to that slide than I would have expected. I predict that will be one SNAPPY little shooter...

[Al T.]

Waiting on one in 10mm.......... :D


I predict that will be one SNAPPY little shooter

I dunno, .45 Kahr CW I shot was pretty gentle with 230 ball ammo.

[Sawyer]

Obviously the round used will determine much of the recoil characteristics. I'd be curious to see how a gun that size would do with defensive ammo like HST rather then more mild range ball ammo.

[Greg]

Please do not give them any ideas...


.41 Action Express YO!

[ReverendMeat]

I'm not knocking .45 in general, but I've shot the XDS-45 and my humble opinion is it's pretty fucking useless as far as good controllable handguns go.

I'm sure there'll be plenty of "GODS CALIBER!" people lined up for this one though. This is why I'm not in marketing.

A little harsh on the XDS-45. In my hands at least I thought it was accurate and controllable enough, far more than I was expecting. The Shield .40 on the other hand...

[Holmes375]

A little harsh on the XDS-45. In my hands at least I thought it was accurate and controllable enough, far more than I was expecting. The Shield .40 on the other hand...

Agreed. I found the XDS 45 a more pleasant shooter than the Shield 40, too. And the accuracy of the former was well beyond anything I had expected.

I sure do like the Shield in 9mm though.

[XDS]

A little harsh on the XDS-45. In my hands at least I thought it was accurate and controllable enough, far more than I was expecting. The Shield .40 on the other hand...


Agreed. I found the XDS 45 a more pleasant shooter than the Shield 40, too. And the accuracy of the former was well beyond anything I had expected.


Exactly, I too find the XDS45 fun to shoot and ergos and accuracy are great. Exactly why I want a Shield45, M&P ergos are tough to beat and I expect it to be even better than the XDS45 which I am completely happy with as my EDC.

[SmokeJumper]

I would like to see a 9mm Shield made in the size of the new 45 Shield. Make a Shield that can handle a 10 round magazine without an extension. I'd be willing to bet this would sell.

One of my concerns with the 45 Shield would be the effect the short barrel would have on the ballistics of the cartridge.
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I'd really like to see a factory 10 rnd. Shield mag, not so much a carry mag but for my spare/reload mag when I'm carrying the Shield. I can't recall the company, possibly Mecgar, that makes a 10 rnd Shield mag, but I've heard a few bad reviews in feeding issues, limited to a few guys I work with.

I know a few guys at my agency are definitely looking at the new Shield .45 to buy since we carry SW MP .45 for duty guns. Reasoning- its an MP and in .45 so one can use dept. ammo and does not have to spend extra $ on ammo. I just want to shoot one for kicks and see how it does compared to my 9mm.