School me on sights

[TheBigCountry]

I'm lost on pistol sights. I'd like a new set for my full size m&p 9. I don't want night sights. Maybe something with a thinner front sight? I don't really get what the uses of fiber optic, big dot sights, or any others are good for. I'm looking for quick acquisition with accuracy. Thanks in advance

[HopetonBrown]

Most people I know like a thinner front blade (.100-.117). However there is no general consensus on rear sight width; some like thin, others like wide. Some feel they are more accurate with a narrower notch, others feel a wider notch is quicker for them. The thought process for the thin notch folks is that thinner light bars are easier to line your front sight in. Wide notch guys believe it's faster to pick up your front sight. For example, Defoor, Sevigney and Vogel like wide rear notches. Proctor, Taran Butler and our own Gabe White like thinner rear notches. Other people, like Ben Stoeger, don't really care.

If you wanted to test drive some fiber optics, these Zev sights on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/252316338799?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) are a good price ($55, they retail for $80).

[VegasHK]

The problem with recommending sights is that they are much like shoes. That is, everyone likes something different, and they definitely are designed with different uses in mind. That said, if you're just looking for a solid set of tough, no frills sights, check out the sights Kyle Defoor does. They are made by Ameriglo. Very sturdy steel sights. They'll take any amount of belt racking, one handed clearing techniques you can throw at them.
I personally run the Warne Tactical sights. Tritium up front, black back. The front is as thin as possible and still have a tritium dot, and the back sight is a little more open. That combo allows for some very precise aiming.
I have no personal experience with Heinie sights, but they are very well liked by some guys I shoot with and I would certainly look at them.

Hope this helps a little.

[TheBigCountry]

Man that's exactly the info I was looking for, thank you. I was leaning towards fiber optic but I'm going to do a little more reading and check out those big name guys too. I'm sure it's just like holsters with personal preference, I'll just have to make my best choice and roll the dice. Much appreciated guys, very helpful.

[Wondering Beard]

Check out 10-8 performance.com/ (http://www.10-8performance.com/). They have an excellent line of products and sights and they have this page specifically about choosing sights (http://www.10-8performance.com/choosing-sights/).

Personally, when using fiber optics, I prefer the .115 front with a .140 rear. If you want to use tritium, .125 is basically the minimum width available.

[TheBigCountry]

It seems the zev sights are only for Glock. I did find some nice warren sights, but don't like the width of the front sight.
Any thoughts on this set up http://www.amazon.com/Dawson-Precision-Fixed-Competition-Sight/dp/B01DMWP39A/ref=sr_1_27?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1463692927&sr=1-27&keywords=S%26w+m%26p+sights

[TheBigCountry]

"Personally, when using fiber optics, I prefer the .115 front with a .140 rear. If you want to use tritium, .125 is basically the minimum width available.[/QUOTE]"

This is what is pushing me more towards fiber optic I believe. I checked out 10-8 but they seem to be out of stock for m&p now, but that info was helpful.

[HopetonBrown]

It seems the zev sights are only for Glock. I did find some nice warren sights, but don't like the width of the front sight.
Any thoughts on this set up http://www.amazon.com/Dawson-Precision-Fixed-Competition-Sight/dp/B01DMWP39A/ref=sr_1_27?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1463692927&sr=1-27&keywords=S%26w+m%26p+sights

I have Dawson Chargers on a Glock, they make them for M&Ps (https://dawsonprecision.com/dawson-precision-s-w-m-p-fixed-charger-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/). Gabe White uses them as well. They're a 100 front with a 125 rear. Unlike the Competition or Carry sights by Dawson, the rear sight has a vertical ledge for 1 handed ninja stuff.

[DacoRoman]

I have Dawson Chargers on a Glock, they make them for M&Ps (https://dawsonprecision.com/dawson-precision-s-w-m-p-fixed-charger-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/). Gabe White uses them as well. They're a 100 front with a 125 rear. Unlike the Competition or Carry sights by Dawson, the rear sight has a vertical ledge for 1 handed ninja stuff.

Are the .100 fronts FO?

I've been using Warren .150 rears and .115 FO fronts on a G17 and last night I noticed that I got more precise groups shooting a Glock with stock sights, shooting at 25 yards. It seemed like the extra large light bars on the Warrens were working against me potentially. So now I am looking to get tighter rear sights to try out. Maybe Proctor Y sights, or more conventional .125 square notch rears with a .115 FO front...or some such.

Edit
But I guess the point I have for the OP is that you have to start somewhere, and then don't be surprised if you experiment along the way depending on results!

[psalms144.1]

I've never used Dawson sights, but I will just add that if you want to try them out, it's probably worth purchasing directly from them. If you do so, they offer a "perfect sight" guarantee, so if the sight does not shoot POI/POA, they'll replace the front for free to let you get "dialed in."

[DacoRoman]

I've never used Dawson sights, but I will just add that if you want to try them out, it's probably worth purchasing directly from them. If you do so, they offer a "perfect sight" guarantee, so if the sight does not shoot POI/POA, they'll replace the front for free to let you get "dialed in."

Awesome tip thanks! I think my short list is becoming the Dawson Chargers vs Proctor sights at this point.

[TheBigCountry]

Awesome tip thanks! I think my short list is becoming the Dawson Chargers vs Proctor sights at this point.

I really like the proctors too but they also seem to only be available for Glock

[TheBigCountry]

I have Dawson Chargers on a Glock, they make them for M&Ps (https://dawsonprecision.com/dawson-precision-s-w-m-p-fixed-charger-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/). Gabe White uses them as well. They're a 100 front with a 125 rear. Unlike the Competition or Carry sights by Dawson, the rear sight has a vertical ledge for 1 handed ninja stuff.

Just looked them up, they moved to the top of my list. Thank you
https://dawsonprecision.com/dawson-precision-s-w-m-p-fixed-charger-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/

[TheBigCountry]

[QUOTE=psalms144.1;446221]I've never used Dawson sights, but I will just add that if you want to try them out, it's probably worth purchasing directly from them. If you do so, they offer a "perfect sight" guarantee, so if the sight does not shoot POI/POA, they'll replace the front for free to let you get "dialed in."[/QUOTE

Great tip, just checked out the site and found them.

[StraitR]

Gabe posted an excellent resource HERE (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?20098-Sight-Pictures!) on different kinds of sights in various lighting conditions and backgrounds. Lot's of member pics as well.

Definitely worth your time if sight shopping.

[spinmove_]

I really like the proctors too but they also seem to only be available for Glock

They do make a set for the M&P. They just happen to be out of stock at the moment.

http://www.wayofthegun.us/proctor-y-notch-sight-set-for-m-p-9mm-and-40-cal-pistols/

[Kennydale]

7999 8000
I have grown very accustomed to my XS Big Dot Sights. Though they do glow in the dark, My main use is quick acquisition of target in day light. I am 65 years old have worn glasses all my life. The DOT THE I becomes a reflex action with some training . I don't do competitions nor do I need perfect bullseye to impress any buddies. I carry because the world is a dangerous place and evil exists. If needed i just want to quickly hit the target.

[TheBigCountry]

7999 8000
I have grown very accustomed to my XS Big Dot Sights. Though they do glow in the dark, My main use is quick acquisition of target in day light. I am 65 years old have worn glasses all my life. The DOT THE I becomes a reflex action with some training . I don't do competitions nor do I need perfect bullseye to impress any buddies. I carry because the world is a dangerous place and evil exists. If needed i just want to quickly hit the target.

Amen to that,fully agree


They do make a set for the M&P. They just happen to be out of stock at the moment.

http://www.wayofthegun.us/proctor-y-notch-sight-set-for-m-p-9mm-and-40-cal-pistols/

I didn't notice that, thanks for the heads up


Gabe posted an excellent resource HERE (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?20098-Sight-Pictures!) on different kinds of sights in various lighting conditions and backgrounds. Lot's of member pics as well.

Definitely worth your time if sight shopping.

Excellent stuff in that post. Also did a little research on Mr. White, very impressive. This site is great

[spinmove_]

Amen to that,fully agree



I didn't notice that, thanks for the heads up



Excellent stuff in that post. Also did a little research on Mr. White, very impressive. This site is great

I will say that, while XS Big Dot sights do work for what they're intended, I would recommend going with this course only if your eyesight is bad enough to the point where this is pretty much the only option you can actually see without corrective lenses. The sight picture can be made to work for whatever you want to do with them, but by and large, if you have relatively decent eyesight, you would be better served with a more traditional notch and post setup.

Having said that, try whatever floats your boat and go from there. Sights are merely a reference on a firearm that a shooter uses to place the shot where they desire. They do not make you inherently accurate or inaccurate. You make you inherently accurate or inaccurate. Go with the sights that allow you to make the more accurate and precise shots you can. Speed will come naturally later.

[Cool Breeze]

There is also the height issue of sights - lower profile vs. tall sights. Square notch vs. U notch. What a headache.

[TheBigCountry]

I will say that, while XS Big Dot sights do work for what they're intended, I would recommend going with this course only if your eyesight is bad enough to the point where this is pretty much the only option you can actually see without corrective lenses. The sight picture can be made to work for whatever you want to do with them, but by and large, if you have relatively decent eyesight, you would be better served with a more traditional notch and post setup.

Having said that, try whatever floats your boat and go from there. Sights are merely a reference on a firearm that a shooter uses to place the shot where they desire. They do not make you inherently accurate or inaccurate. You make you inherently accurate or inaccurate. Go with the sights that allow you to make the more accurate and precise shots you can. Speed will come naturally later.

My eyesight is pretty good still so I've ruled out the big dot for size alone. I'm pretty sure the Dawson chargers are going to be my first set. Notice I said "first" set, cause I believe you when you say it's just the beginning. That seems to be the expensive pattern I see with all aftermarket firearm parts. All the help here though had guided me to a pretty solid first try though. Thanks for the help.


There is also the height issue of sights - lower profile vs. tall sights. Square notch vs. U notch. What a headache.

My thoughts exactly when I was trying to research them myself before this thread!

[StraitR]

There is also the height issue of sights - lower profile vs. tall sights. Square notch vs. U notch. What a headache.

There's two ways to go about it. Have a bunch of friends or find people with various sights and try for yourself. Or, and this is what most of us do, buy and try until you figure it out. Same reason I have the Ye Ole' Box of Holsters.