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GJM
05-16-2016, 08:10 AM
Over the last six weeks, I have been shooting a Glock 19 with a Delta Point Pro and RMR 06. Until the last week, I was shooting the Pro in USPSA Carry Optics competition and using the RMR on a carry Glock 19. I far prefer the RMR as a carry gun optic, as it has better battery life and a superior user interface, in that it has an auto setting and dedicated up and down intensity key. The main design advantage of the Pro, is the battery can be replaced without removing the optic, and that is a good thing based on my experience with the Pro's limited battery life.

About a week ago, in a fit of timmiedom, I talked myself into gaming the RMR06, instead of the Pro, so that it would be the same as my carry gun. Bright move, considering my first match with the RMR would be an important one. On day one of that match, with the RMR, I felt like I shot quite poorly compared to my expectation. I was able to confirm this, in comparing hit factors on stages against other shooters I compete against regularly. Saturday night, I decided to shoot my DP Pro on the second day of the match. While my day wasn't perfect, I shot very close to my expectation. Doing a deep dive into the numbers, comparing my hit factors against a number of known competitors, I shot 12 - 15% better with the DP Pro. In USPSA terms, that is a massive delta.

So as to why, I think there are two reasons:

1) the Pro display is taller, allowing you to keep sight of the dot easier in recoil.

2) The Pro display is clearer and overall larger than the RMR. When navigating a confusing array of targets, like you encounter in a USPSA match, the bigger display allows you to process that more easily, while looking through rather than around the display.

Note to self, this was a really tough way to test this, and is the reason you shouldn't be messing with changes like this going into a big match (or, if you prefer, a gunfight). Right now, I continue to be excited about the potential for red dot optics, but I am definitely dissatisfied with the offerings we have that excel both for carry and gaming. I am really hoping that Aimpoint brings something out at the NRA show that is great for carrying and gaming.

One final thought. We like to say on PF that it is the "Indian not the arrow." I generally think that is correct. However, the converse is that shooting games like USPSA are designed to amplify relatively small differences in performance to differentiate between competitors.

StraitR
05-16-2016, 08:39 AM
The larger window of the DPP is very appealing, but that's where it stops for me. I prefer everything else about the RMR. It's much like an EoTech vs Aimpoint Micro where I'd rather shoot with an EOTech for the better FOV, but prefer to own Aimpoints.

I have an RMR02. It's not perfect, but I'll be using it until something clearly better comes along. Like GJM, I hope that's a MRDS option from Aimpoint.

DocGKR
05-16-2016, 09:15 AM
To quote someone more experienced than me, the DP Pro battery life is like an EOTECH, the RMR battery life is like an Aimpoint micro...

I strongly prefer the RMR for daily CCW and duty use. The DP Pro would work fine for specific operations where you change the battery before each mission.

BillSWPA
05-16-2016, 09:44 PM
GJM, what is it you found to be clearer with the DP Pro? Is it to t or lack thereof on the glass? Is it less distortion of the view through the glass? Thanks in advance.

GJM
05-16-2016, 11:36 PM
The Pro display is larger, straighter and clearer, as opposed to the RMR display which is smaller, curved and has a tint.

JHC
05-17-2016, 12:25 PM
GJM, have you ever handled the Vortex options in comparison?

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/venom-red-dot-3-moa-dot

GJM
05-17-2016, 12:26 PM
GJM, have you ever handled the Vortex options in comparison?

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/venom-red-dot-3-moa-dot


nope

punkey71
05-17-2016, 12:52 PM
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JHC, not sure what specific info you're looking for, but I have both.

I think the Venom is perfectly suited for my 22/45. As you can see, the housing is thin and I would prefer the more robust housing of the RMR for a carry gun.

That said, the Venoms glass is bright and the dot is crisp.

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JHC
05-17-2016, 01:33 PM
Great feedback thanks! Great pics in comparison. How has the battery life held up?

punkey71
05-17-2016, 01:43 PM
Great feedback thanks! Great pics in comparison. How has the battery life held up?

Well, the battery has an auto shut off so I really can't compare it to an RMR. I've had it a year and shoot it every few weeks, on average, and I'm on the initial battery. It's a top loading battery so that's nice.

If you're looking for a carry gun optic, look elsewhere. For a range gun it's fantastic. Vortex offers the Razor MRD as well, which is probably a more 1:1 comparison to the RMR. The Razor also has a auto off battery (per their website) so it's also out for a carry gun.

There seems to be some real nice MRDs out there but until someone matches the durability and battery life of the the RMR, Trijicon has the only option for me on a carry gun.

GJM
05-30-2016, 05:23 AM
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SLG
05-30-2016, 08:50 AM
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This has mostly always been true, since guys were running the original Delta Point. My Old Delta Points, though not run hard in anyway at all, have held up fine and have always been easy to use on my pistols. Nothing on the market today gives me a warm fuzzy, but I'm excited to see the future of handgun optics.

StraitR
05-30-2016, 09:10 AM
I'm excited to see the future of handgun optics.

SO much this.

Also excited to see the future of handgun design as optics become more and more mainstream. The key being advancement and availability of new quality optics.

LOKNLOD
05-30-2016, 09:49 AM
SO much this.

Also excited to see the future of handgun design as optics become more and more mainstream. The key being advancement and availability of new quality optics.

Someday, someone is going to design a handgun specifically with optics in mind, and hopefully an optic specifically with that handgun in mind. And it's going to be either completely ridiculous, or totally awesome.

GJM
05-30-2016, 09:58 AM
Someday, someone is going to design a handgun specifically with optics in mind, and hopefully an optic specifically with that handgun in mind. And it's going to be either completely ridiculous, or totally awesome.

Yep, one or the other! :)

Does anyone have the 800 number for Aimpoint so I can call and complain that they didn't introduce a pistol optic at NRA?

StraitR
05-30-2016, 11:43 AM
Yep, one or the other! :)

Does anyone have the 800 number for Aimpoint so I can call and complain that they didn't introduce a pistol optic at NRA?

Don't you know a spartan guy?