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NYPD has approved a modified version of the Springfield XD-S 9mm as an off duty and back up gun. The MYPD version is modified to increase the trigger pull weight to 12 lbs.
NYPD approval of XD-S 9mm: big change, small gun
http://www.guns.com/2016/05/09/nypd-approves-xd-s/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5730933204d3015750296e64&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
It's worth noting, the XD – S is the only exit the model who's grip safety does not have to be depressed in order to work the slide.
Gray222
05-11-2016, 05:11 PM
...why
...why
Why the XDS, or why the 12 pound trigger pull?
Why the 12 pound trigger pull? Minimal training and the belief that they heavier trigger pull is "safer".
Why the XDS? Most likely they need another single stack option.They previously approved the Kahr K-9. They still approve the Smith and Wesson 3953, but I don't know if Smith is still producing or supporting the 3953. That leaves only J frames and Glock 26s, also with the mandatory NYPD 12 pound trigger pull.
Sero Sed Serio
05-11-2016, 05:21 PM
From the same department that engineered a new magazine so that a 17 round pistol can hold 15 rounds...
From the same department that engineered a new magazine so that a 17 round pistol can hold 15 rounds...
Yup. That's actually more of an admin issue. The other NYPD duty guns all hold 15 rounds.When you have to qualify 1000 people a week, there's always going to be a few who can't follow instructions well. Welcome to the lowest common denominator world of law-enforcement firearms training.
LockedBreech
05-11-2016, 06:38 PM
I've always enjoyed a sense of ironic amusement when, in movies, rural police are depicted as backwoods and stupid while big city cops are elite/worldly/professional, etc. I'd take one of my county deputies over a typical NYPD officer any day. At least I'd know he knows how his gun works.
orionz06
05-11-2016, 06:40 PM
But are they keepin the zone of grip?
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But are they keepin the zone of grip?
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Yell "grip zone!"
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I've always enjoyed a sense of ironic amusement when, in movies, rural police are depicted as backwoods and stupid while big city cops are elite/worldly/professional, etc. I'd take one of my county deputies over a typical NYPD officer any day. At least I'd know he knows how his gun works.
The majority know how their own gun works.
When you are training academy classes with 1500 to 2000 shooters each, and you have to qualify 40,000 cops twice per year, you don't have time for much in the way of extras. They qualify 1000 officers a week, that's 200 per day every day.
NYPD's successes are a good example of stress inoculation, experience managing chaos, and tactics mattering more than being able to shoot beyond a level of "good enough ".
JR1572
05-11-2016, 08:01 PM
Why this garbage instead of a Glock 43?
JR1572
Why this garbage instead of a Glock 43?
JR1572
I'm not defending the XD, but what makes you think the 43 is better? Do you have some proof that it is better? How is it better?
LockedBreech
05-11-2016, 08:35 PM
The majority know how their own gun works.
When you are training academy classes with 1500 to 2000 shooters each, and you have to qualify 40,000 cops twice per year, you don't have time for much in the way of extras. They qualify 1000 officers a week, that's 200 per day every day.
NYPD's successes are a good example of stress inoculation, experience managing chaos, and tactics mattering more than being able to shoot beyond a level of "good enough ".
Consider me duly reeducated :)
JR1572
05-11-2016, 08:50 PM
I'm not defending the XD, but what makes you think the 43 is better? Do you have some proof that it is better? How is it better?
Why not stay within the Glock platform? After all with such a large agency and already having Glock armorers, why add an addition platform to the pool.
Furthermore, all I have heard from the Internet experts over the years is that XD's are trash. Since I'm so invested in the Glock platform and I have no desire to re-invent the wheel, I stay away from XD's.
So, to answer your question: I have listened to the Internet experts about XD's being trash, and my 43 works fine. I also believe an agency could save a few bucks by not needing to send a few guys to an armorer school for a pistol whose lineage has been plagued with issues. Yeah, Glocks have had issues, but the Internet legends about XD's are rather prolific.
I stand by my statement regarding Springfield XD's. They're garbage. Kinda like Taurus Judges and other openly ridiculed handguns. However, based upon the PX4 love affair I've witnessed around here, I'm sure in the next few days this XD will be the best pistol ever...
JR1572
Randy Harris
05-11-2016, 08:52 PM
I'm not defending the XD, but what makes you think the 43 is better? Do you have some proof that it is better? How is it better?
If nothing else because there is no grip safety to potentially miss under stress on the draw. And before anyone rolls your eyes in disbelief I have personally seen it more times than I would have thought possible with people who actually would be classified as somewhat serious gunmen who carry regularly and have attended more than just a CCW class. And between classes I teach and matches I shoot I see a lot of "better than average" to highly skilled people shoot on a very regular (almost weekly) basis.
Unfortunately with regards to the XD what I have seen more times than I'm comfortable with is when trying to operate at speed greater than they are accustomed to from concealment an alarming number have flubbed the draw , gotten a sub optimal grip on it and the gun did not go bang....that could be an issue for a 20000+ man department , many of whom are not self selectors that shoot more than the typical NYPD officer..... At least with the NYPD duty guns (glock, Sig, SW) and the more common backups there is no grip safety to disengage so even a grip that looks more like a cloven hoof will still make the gun go BANG at least once....just my 2 cents worth.
Why not stay within the Glock platform? After all with such a large agency and already having Glock armorers, why add an addition platform to the pool.
Furthermore, all I have heard from the Internet experts over the years is that XD's are trash. Since I'm so invested in the Glock platform and I have no desire to re-invent the wheel, I stay away from XD's.
So, to answer your question: I have listened to the Internet experts about XD's being trash, and my 43 works fine. I also believe an agency could save a few bucks by not needing to send a few guys to an armorer school for a pistol whose lineage has been plagued with issues. Yeah, Glocks have had issues, but the Internet legends about XD's are rather prolific.
I stand by my statement regarding Springfield XD's. They're garbage. Kinda like Taurus Judges and other openly ridiculed handguns. However, based upon the PX4 love affair I've witnessed around here, I'm sure in the next few days this XD will be the best pistol ever...
JR1572
I'm not a fan of the XD, but in fairness, Springfield and their Serbo-Croatian partners have made an effort to make improvements from the XD, to the XDm to the XDS. The biggest improvement in the XD-S IMHO is the grip safety no longer locking up the slide. Why SA didn't carry that over to the XD Gen 2/ Gripzone guns I don't know.
Re: the Glock 43. Supposedly NYPD and Glock are working on a 12lb NYPD spec trigger for the 43. Just because it's a Glock doesn't mean it's going to run like a 17/19/26. I was surprised when my agency recently added the 43 to our approved list. The first officer I had try to qualify with a 43 had 3 malfunctions in the course of a 50 round qualification course. I have a 43 but I'm not crazy about it. I'll be sticking with my J frame.
BillSWPA
05-11-2016, 09:08 PM
Before buying my wife her first gun, I had her shoot almost every 9mm in existence, a few .38 revolvers, a couple of ,380's, and a .45 1911. The gun she shot the best, and most comfortably, was her father's XD. She now has her own XD, which continues to function just fine, as does her father's gun.
JR1572
05-11-2016, 09:10 PM
I'm not a fan of the XD, but in fairness, Springfield and their Serbo-Croatian partners have made an effort to make improvements from the XD, to the XDm to the XDS. The biggest improvement in the XD-S IMHO is the grip safety no longer locking up the slide. Why SA didn't carry that over to the XD Gen 2/ Gripzone guns I don't know.
Re: the Glock 43. Supposedly NYPD and Glock are working on a 12lb NYPD spec trigger for the 43. Just because it's a Glock doesn't mean it's going to run like a 17/19/26. I was surprised when my agency recently added the 43 to our approved list. The first officer I had try to qualify with a 43 had 3 malfunctions in the course of a 50 round qualification course. I have a 43 but I'm not crazy about it. I'll be sticking with my J frame.
I haven't heard from any of our range guys about people having issues with the 43's. My agency isn't that big (1000 or so gun carriers) and quite a few guys and girls have them for off duty and/or a back up gun. However, more people have 26's for that role. Since we transitioned to Glock 17's from the PX4, quite a few people ditched their j frames.
JR1572
ST911
05-11-2016, 09:16 PM
The XDs 9mms I've shot and seen others shoot have done quite well, esp when compared to some of their other subcompact and micro competitors. My experience with the larger XD variants is much poorer, but I will give credit where it's due.
Only gripe k have with th XD's is weight. They always felt so dang top heavy. That and there gay.
Only gripe k have with th XD's is weight. They always felt so dang top heavy. That and there gay.
16.64 ounces unloaded for the 43 vs 23 ounces for the XDs, according to manufacturers.
cathellsk
05-11-2016, 11:48 PM
A few NYPD guys confirmed over on GlockTalk that the S&W Shield was also approved, MA trigger and no thumb safety. The GLOCK 43 has been tested also but had some issues that GLOCK is fixing and they hope to have it approved soon too. The S&W M&P compact was tested and passed but not approved yet, I think because the M&P full size didn't pass.
S&W wants to stop 3rd gen auto production. For NYPD thats the 5946, 3953TSW, & 3914DAO. These need replaced for issue and the GLOCK 17, Shield, and XDS are what's new so far.
NYPD does pretty exhaustive testing of new sidearms. 10,000rds of duty ammo (Speer Gold Dot 124gr+P JHP). From what I've read over on GlockTalk if they get approved they've earned it.
This is the first time in about 20 years something new has been approved too. The Kahr K9 has been dropped, Beretta doesn't make the Cougar compact anymore, S&W wants to dump production of the two compacts they make. That left only the SIG P239DAO and GLOCK 26. New J frames haven't been allowed since '98.
45dotACP
05-11-2016, 11:58 PM
Only gripe k have with th XD's is weight. They always felt so dang top heavy. That and there gay.
I tried an XD at some point a long time ago...it didn't do anything my Glock couldn't and it managed to look uglier. Meh.
Nephrology
05-12-2016, 07:32 AM
I shot my buddy's XDm .40 the other day and actually was extremely pleasantly surprised. Felt recoil was much less than my Gen4 Glock 35 shot side by side. Trigger was thoroughly decent. I occasionally trawl gunbroker for XDs now and will throw super lowball bids at them just to see if they stick.
It baffles me that there is so much confusion when someone brings up the XDs. The XDs is Springfield's single stack striker fired pistol. It is similar to the XDm but very different at the same time. I've owned two that worked very well. Accurate out of the box, good sights, very reliable, and handles like a larger pistol. It is close in weight to a Glock 26 but is much, much thinner.
I know a couple of Troopers that carry them in 45 as back ups to Glock 21's. My dad has been carrying one in 9mm for a couple of years now as a retired LEO. I have shot his side by side with a 43. The XDs was a lot easier to shoot quickly and accurately than the 43. Actual size difference wasn't as large as expected. The XDs was heavier but really pretty close in size to the 43. Add the magazines options that the XDs has and it becomes a really versatile little pistol. Honestly it reminds me of a Walther PPS more than anything.
I think the reputation of the full size XD series hurts the XDs more than anything.
I would not hesitate to carry one every day. I am currently in love with carrying and shooting a P239, really Sigs in general, or I would probably own and carry one everyday.
I got rid of mine for a Glock 26 for two main reasons. The trigger pull is heavy and the gun is heavy. They are good pistols but I'm surprised they wanted to increase the trigger pull since it is already so heavy.
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12 lb trigger....because all the good shooters use heavy triggers for speed and accuracy.....yeah....
Sigfan26
05-12-2016, 10:24 AM
12 lb trigger....because all the good shooters use heavy triggers for speed and accuracy.....yeah....
Took the Glock Armorer Course a couple weeks ago. The NYPD wanted 18-20 pound...
Drang
05-12-2016, 12:14 PM
12 lb trigger....because all the good shooters use heavy triggers for speed and accuracy.....yeah....
What makes you think that NY wants good shooters on the NYPD?
Why not stay within the Glock platform? After all with such a large agency and already having Glock armorers, why add an addition platform to the pool.
Furthermore, all I have heard from the Internet experts over the years is that XD's are trash. Since I'm so invested in the Glock platform and I have no desire to re-invent the wheel, I stay away from XD's.
So, to answer your question: I have listened to the Internet experts about XD's being trash, and my 43 works fine. I also believe an agency could save a few bucks by not needing to send a few guys to an armorer school for a pistol whose lineage has been plagued with issues. Yeah, Glocks have had issues, but the Internet legends about XD's are rather prolific.
I stand by my statement regarding Springfield XD's. They're garbage. Kinda like Taurus Judges and other openly ridiculed handguns. However, based upon the PX4 love affair I've witnessed around here, I'm sure in the next few days this XD will be the best pistol ever...
JR1572
I'm glad your G43 works fine, but major agency testing has shown it to fail in each instance that I am aware of. I have no idea how the XDs did or does, as it is a gun that interests me not in the least. However, and as mentioned already, NYPD does some pretty reasonable testing on their own.
JR1572
05-12-2016, 03:48 PM
I'm glad your G43 works fine, but major agency testing has shown it to fail in each instance that I am aware of. I have no idea how the XDs did or does, as it is a gun that interests me not in the least. However, and as mentioned already, NYPD does some pretty reasonable testing on their own.
How did the 43 fail? Please let me know so I can look out for any signs of trouble.
At no point am I questioning the methods or practices of any agency in the T&E of weapons being deemed duty-worthy, however, I would like to know why the 43 didn't pass. For all I know it didn't get selected because the trigger pull wasn't heavy enough.
I'm no SME by any stretch of the imagination, however I am an end user and people like me can benefit by receiving any information regarding potential issues that the pistols we carry may currently have or develop later.
Thanks for all your help,
JR1572
ReverendMeat
05-12-2016, 03:52 PM
Why this garbage instead of a Glock 43?
JR1572
The XDs is not "garbage." It's a perfectly serviceable firearm, same with the rest of the XD lineup.
How did the 43 fail? Please let me know so I can look out for any signs of trouble.
At no point am I questioning the methods or practices of any agency in the T&E of weapons being deemed duty-worthy, however, I would like to know why the 43 didn't pass. For all I know it didn't get selected because the trigger pull wasn't heavy enough.
I'm no SME by any stretch of the imagination, however I am an end user and people like me can benefit by receiving any information regarding potential issues that the pistols we carry may currently have or develop later.
Thanks for all your help,
JR1572
Actually, I think you are questioning the knowledge/tests/practices of the NYPD, since you keep referring to the XDs as trash.
I don't have the specifics on why the 43 has failed several large tests. I can ask, but it just hasn't been a priority. Plus, on going testing is keeping my friends busy as well.
As for trigger weight, the NYPD has authorised many guns with much better/lighter trigger pulls than the NYPlus infinity Glock trigger. They don't have a hard number, they just want a better than average threat management tool. No one in their right mind can describe a standard Glock as "great" in that area.
One major benefit of the plus infinity trigger is that it REALLY teaches you how to pull a trigger. I thought I knew how, and then I used a NY G19 and really learned how. :-)
JR1572
05-12-2016, 04:04 PM
Actually, I think you are questioning the knowledge/tests/practices of the NYPD, since you keep referring to the XDs as trash.
I don't have the specifics on why the 43 has failed several large tests. I can ask, but it just hasn't been a priority. Plus, on going testing is keeping my friends busy as well.
As for trigger weight, the NYPD has authorised many guns with much better/lighter trigger pulls than the NYPlus infinity Glock trigger. They don't have a hard number, they just want a better than average threat management tool. No one in their right mind can describe a standard Glock as "great" in that area.
One major benefit of the plus infinity trigger is that it REALLY teaches you how to pull a trigger. I thought I knew how, and then I used a NY G19 and really learned how. :-)
I'm actually not questioning them. I didn't like XD's prior to this announcement, and I'm not changing my opinion. Just like a spewed px4 hate before the current pf.com px4 love fest. I have to consistent. I know it's the Internet but I'm still allowed to have an opinion, no matter how silly any of you think it is.
I've carried quite a few Glocks with NY1 triggers and I kinda like it. I would love to get my grubby little paws on the extra heavy one.
JR1572
I would be interested in the details of any rigorous 43 testing, since my wife and I have them as little guns. For example, did the G43 fail compared to a G19, or compared to alternatives like the Kahr, PPS, etc. And also, failed in what way.
I thought Georgia state patrol (or whatever they are called) was using them as a BUG to the G4 17?
I would be interested in the details of any rigorous 43 testing, since my wife and I have them as little guns. For example, did the G43 fail compared to a G19, or compared to alternatives like the Kahr, PPS, etc. And also, failed in what way.
I thought Georgia state patrol (or whatever they are called) was using them as a BUG to the G4 17?
GA, Glocks home state. Politics ???
Kyle Reese
05-12-2016, 04:46 PM
The XDs is not "garbage." It's a perfectly serviceable firearm, same with the rest of the XD lineup.
Depends on how you define "servicable".
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GA, Glocks home state. Politics ???
Seems like there is at least a bit of politics in most selections?
BillSWPA
05-12-2016, 05:26 PM
I'm glad your G43 works fine, but major agency testing has shown it to fail in each instance that I am aware of. I have no idea how the XDs did or does, as it is a gun that interests me not in the least. However, and as mentioned already, NYPD does some pretty reasonable testing on their own.
Like other posters, I am also interested in any information you can provide about specific tests and failures. Since I pocket carry 5-6 days/week for at least 7 months out of every year, and since I own other Glocks that I am very happy with, I have been seriously considering buying one.
Thanks in advance.
Robert Mitchum
05-12-2016, 06:10 PM
The XDs is not "garbage." It's a perfectly serviceable firearm, same with the rest of the XD lineup.
Mike Pannone 02-26-12,
Has 2 xd 45's ..... likes them and has not had any problems with them .
__________________________________________________ ________________
Question asked of him ; "Do you have any comment over a somewhat common disdain for the XD/XDM series among some people in the tactical community?
"I have had the exact opposite responses and I have two XD's which are extremely accurate and reliable. They are probably a bit more bulky and some have complained of a high bore axis but even my 45 shoots extremly well. I can give you a read on it from the 3 M&P's (9, 40, 45C) and 2 XD's (both 45's) I have. The XD's (stock) have been much more accurate than all of my M&P's. The closest in accuracy was the 45C and because of the difference in sight radius and the reports of extremely good accuracy in the fullsize S&W45's from others I expect the difference is minimal. Apex Specialties is working with Bar-Sto on a replacement barrel for the M&P line so that should say something. I have put a KKM in my 40 and a Storm Lake in my 9 in place of my stock barrels and have had much better results. With a good barrel and an Apex trigger kit the M&P is extremely nice as is any of the XD's with trigger jobs. I like the frame mounted safety on th M&P and my XD45 and would really like to see that as an option on all the striker fired guns used for everything but sport so you can put a lighter trigger on them and still get institutional dept/agency authorization.
For ergonomics I like the M&P better than any other polymer auto (P07 is second). I do a drill at 10m on a plate rack where you start with 1 in the chamber and 1 in the magazine with 2 reloads, one of 2 rds and your final magazine full for make-up shots if necessary. You draw and shoot 2 plates>emergency reload shoot 2 plates>emergency reload shoot 2 plates. The goal is sub-six seconds. It is pretty much impossible if you don't shoot it clean because the drill as constructed does not allow you to shoot plates you missed until you have taken one shot at every plate. The only pistol I have been able to do it around 50% of the time is my M&P9 with Apex trigger. I don't shoot it repetatively, I use it as a test and do it randomly but had to adjust the times when shooting other guns. (Clarification: initially I did do it repetatively to figure out if it was attainable. From that point since I know it's possible but difficult, I use it as a test. Times are varied per pistol type.)
For reliability and durability the M&P's have been amongst the best performing pistols I have ever owned. I shot the 9 and 40 hard for about 18 months".
M&P9 (20,000+ rds)
M&P40 (15,000+ rds)
M&P45C (1100 rds)
XD45 (5000+ rds)
XD45 (200rds; just a deal I couldn't pass up so I got 2)
BigDaddy
05-12-2016, 06:32 PM
I have both the G43 and the XDs. I far prefer the XDs over the 43. As a matter of fact, I am giving the 43 away to a friend who is a Glock fanboy.
Robert Mitchum
05-12-2016, 06:39 PM
I some times use an XD-s (4.0) as a back up pistol.
The stock trigger is some what heavy .. feels like the DA pull on my HK45c
Plus the thin grip feels like a commander size 1911.
Bottom line for me is even my strong hand and weak hand groups out to 15 yards are good.
7846
Hand Held indoors in shity lighting
The 9mm is always a good shooter at 25 yards
7847
Warm up drill I do at 15 yards ..the T3 & T4 are strong hand and weak 3 rounds.
I am not a world class shooter but very happy with my results.
xd-s 9mm
•T1- 1 shot from the holster, execute 1 shot on T1 each time from the holster (3 Reps)
•T2- 2 shots from the holster, execute 2 shots on T2 each time from the holster (3 Reps)
•T3- 1 shot from the holster, execute 1 shot each time from the holster STRONG HAND ONLY (3 reps)
•T4- 1 shot from the Compressed ready SUPPORT HAND ONLY, execute 1 shot each time on T4 from the compressed ready position (3 Reps)
•T5- 3 shots from the holster on T5, emergency reload (Slide Lock Reload) transition to T1, 1 shot on T1 (3 Reps)
7848
Seems like there is at least a bit of politics in most selections?
Internal or External, politics are always part of agency selections.
ReverendMeat
05-12-2016, 08:28 PM
Depends on how you define "servicable".
Large sample size with minimal reported issues.
IME they function as well as everything else. Then again I'm not baking them into pies or stuffing twinkies in them so maybe you know something I don't.
Jay Cunningham
05-12-2016, 08:37 PM
I've seen quite a few XD variants in civilian training and they've been rather unremarkable. Usually they're just fine. In that environment.
BillSWPA
05-12-2016, 08:42 PM
I some times use an XD-s (4.0) as a back up pistol.
The stock trigger is some what heavy .. feels like the DA pull on my HK45c
Plus the thin grip feels like a commander size 1911.
Bottom line for me is even my strong hand and weak hand groups out to 15 yards are good.
7846
Hand Held indoors in shity lighting
The 9mm is always a good shooter at 25 yards
7847
Warm up drill I do at 15 yards ..the T3 & T4 are strong hand and weak 3 rounds.
I am not a world class shooter but very happy with my results.
xd-s 9mm
•T1- 1 shot from the holster, execute 1 shot on T1 each time from the holster (3 Reps)
•T2- 2 shots from the holster, execute 2 shots on T2 each time from the holster (3 Reps)
•T3- 1 shot from the holster, execute 1 shot each time from the holster STRONG HAND ONLY (3 reps)
•T4- 1 shot from the Compressed ready SUPPORT HAND ONLY, execute 1 shot each time on T4 from the compressed ready position (3 Reps)
•T5- 3 shots from the holster on T5, emergency reload (Slide Lock Reload) transition to T1, 1 shot on T1 (3 Reps)
7848
Nice groups, but I notice the 25 yard group is a bit low. I believe my wife's gun shoots a little low as well, so I wanted to check to see if this correlates with your experience to see if this is a typical XD sight height issue.
Cool Breeze
05-12-2016, 09:23 PM
I'm glad your G43 works fine, but major agency testing has shown it to fail in each instance that I am aware of. I have no idea how the XDs did or does, as it is a gun that interests me not in the least. However, and as mentioned already, NYPD does some pretty reasonable testing on their own.
Did any single stack 9mms pass the test?
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Robert Mitchum
05-12-2016, 09:30 PM
Nice groups, but I notice the 25 yard group is a bit low. I believe my wife's gun shoots a little low as well, so I wanted to check to see if this correlates with your experience to see if this is a typical XD sight height issue.
Think it was more me that day than the pistol ( to much coffee)
My Wife has the 3.3 XD-s 9mm she did this group at 12 yards.
I honestly never had much interest in the XD-s pistol.. after shooting my Wife's a few times I changed my mind.
"I know that I know nothing"
7853
Did any single stack 9mms pass the test?
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With NYPD? Yes. With other agencies? Not that I know of. I also don't think others were tested, but I could be wrong.
Unless they are forced into my consciousness, I don't pay any real attention to these petite guns.
Cool Breeze
05-12-2016, 09:46 PM
With NYPD? Yes. With other agencies? Not that I know of. I also don't think others were tested, but I could be wrong.
Unless they are forced into my consciousness, I don't pay any real attention to these petite guns.
I'm not really sure who I was referring to actually. When you said "major agency testing has show it to fail" I wasn't sure if that was singular (just NYPD) or others and if a major agency tested it and it failed which single stacks passed?
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BigDaddy
05-14-2016, 07:15 PM
It's my understanding that the NYPD was having with the magazine feed lips deforming under hard use on the G43. Supposedly Glock is looking into it.
LittleLebowski
06-27-2016, 07:11 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NYPD Approves Springfield Armory® XD-S® For Off-Duty Use
Firearms Training Section Completes Armorer’s Training Program
GENESEO, IL, May 3, 2016 – Springfield Armory® is pleased to announce that effective April 7, 2016, a special edition of the XD-S® 9mm was approved by the New York City Police Department. Off-duty uniformed officers are now able to select the XD-S® 9mm pistol as their carry gun of choice.
The New York City Police Department wanted to afford off-duty officers with a pistol option that provided maximum concealment with absolute reliability. As a single-stack 9mm pistol with superior ergonomic features, the XD-S® fit the bill for concealment and controllability. With the new approval, NYPD officers may also carry the XD-S® 9mm NYPD Model as a backup gun while on duty as well.
The NYPD Firearms and Tactics Unit worked in cooperation with the Springfield Armory® engineering and design teams to develop a special edition of the popular XD-S® carry pistol that conforms to the exact requirements of the NYPD. After passing the department’s rigorous testing procedures, the Springfield Armory® XD-S® gained acceptance for use with no performance modifications and only minor adjustments to meet NYPD policy guidelines.
“We’re pleased that we were able to work with the team in the Firearms Training Section to meet specific needs of the department,” stated Dennis Reese, CEO, Springfield Armory®. “Our engineering team developed a new disconnector and grip safety spring that adjusts the trigger pull weight of the XD-S® to the specific policy requirements of the NYPD. The concealed carry community has responded to the XD-S® with overwhelming approval so we’re pleased that law enforcement officers can use it too.”
The NYPD-approved XD-S® pistol includes many of the same features that have made the handgun so popular in the broader concealed carry market. At just .9-inches wide, the XD-S® is easy to carry and conceal. The NYPD special edition pistol comes with three 9mm magazines including a seven-round flush model and two eight-round extended magazines. Like the commercial XD-S® the NYPD model includes a 3.3-inch hammer forged carbon steel barrel treated with Melonite™. With the flush magazine installed, the overall weight of the pistol is 23 ounces.
The Springfield Armory® Law Enforcement team completed the XD-S® Armorer’s Training Program April 9th, marking the official launch of the program to all uniformed officers. A detailed armorer’s manual produced by Springfield Armory® enables the NYPD Firearms Training Section and other law enforcement agencies to expand training internally after the launch event.
Now used for on and off duty carry at hundreds of law enforcement agencies across the country, The New York Police Department is the latest law enforcement agency to recognize the reliability and functional benefits of the XD®, XD(M)®, and XD-S® handgun platform.
The NYPD XD-S® is available now to qualified officers through local law enforcement dealers as model number XDS9339BNYPD.
About a month ago.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?20463-NYPD-approval-of-XD-S-9mm&p=443269
Kyle Reese
06-27-2016, 07:25 PM
An XD-S with the crap-tastic NY trigger? I'm failing to see the upside, here.
LittleLebowski
06-27-2016, 07:56 PM
About a month ago.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?20463-NYPD-approval-of-XD-S-9mm&p=443269
Mods here are shit.
Mods here are shit.
But still better than an NYPD spec trigger ;-)
Totem Polar
06-27-2016, 10:30 PM
The Mods here are ok with a minus connector.
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