Discreet SBR

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Looking for recommendations for a SBR, caliber, silencer, discreet carry package.
It has to be shoulder fired and accurate to the 100 yard mark with effective stopping power.
All enclosed in some type of shoulder slung, back pack type soft bag that does not even hint at gun.

[Jay585]

I see someone has read Unintended Consequences. I kid, I kid.

Can't help you with the SBR info (I'm in California), but as for the bag...

It's not cheap, but I honestly cannot see you getting any more discreet than this:


http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0842/4265/products/MG_0349_1024x1024.jpg?v=1449527503

http://critical-precision.net/collections/bags/products/discreet-operations-bag

It looks like something Filson (http://www.filson.com/luggage-bags/duffle-bags.html) would make.

There's also these guys: SneakyBags (http://www.sneakybags.com/store/) but not as discreet, IMO.

I hope no one suggests a tennis racket. I always see this and imagine some fat dude with a neckbeard carrying a tennis racket thinking he's "discreet".

[TGS]

I like Vertx bags.

[Gray222]

I carried a "pistol" then an sbr w/ a detached, but quick mount, suppressor for more than a year and will be carrying again very soon.

http://i.imgur.com/TXSJKLT.jpg

Vertx Gamut Plus (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/keywords=vertx%20gamut%20plus), a Law Tactical folding adapter (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0142AIWZ8/), your choice of SBR setup (I prefer a piston setup as they work far better in the 7-9inch area in 5.56. If you are going to go 300blk, then a DI system will work fine.

I am going to be transitioning to a bigger bag (slightly bigger) so I can carry my SBR w/ PDW stock on it in a center-mount style - arc'teryx khard or lbx make a nice one...might even get the new 5.11 Ignitor (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/keywords=5.11%20IGNITOR%20BACKPACK), Covrt boxpack (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TR8R0HW/) or M4 shorty backpack (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/keywords=5.11%20COVRT%20M4%20SHORTY).

Few things to consider:

You won't just be carrying a rifle/pistol rifle/sbr w/ a can on it.
You'll be carrying mags, IFAK/Trauma kit, pistol reloads, gloves, ear pro, TQ's, etc etc. So plan accordingly.

I'll be doing a review of the Vertx Gamut Plus soon, I've been busy and have not gotten around to it.

[GJM]

How do you like the Law adapter?

[Gray222]

How do you like the Law adapter?

I'm on my third one, not for any reason other than the fact the PWS piston system on that short of a gun breaks everything. I just got a new Gen3-M version and so far so good, though it'll probably work best on the 10.3" setup I have which its going to be on for a while going forward.

[Clobbersaurus]

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[Clobbersaurus]

You might want to consider AK platform for an SBR. 7.62 X39 loses far less velocity per inch of barrel reduction. This is a VZ-58 I had done up for me years ago. I think it was a 12.5". Folding stock made it very compact. I should never have sold it. Don't pay attention to the crappy forend, at the time that was pretty much all that was available for that platform. I have no clue how good this would do with a suppressor.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/IMG_1308.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/IMG_1308.jpg.html)
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/IMG_1309.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/IMG_1309.jpg.html)

[LOKNLOD]

I think a plain-jane CAR-15 with one of those LAW adapters would be a pretty slick almost-SBR that would stash easy but be slightly more expendable than a full blown SBR.


Also, that VZ shorty is really cool.

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What is the preferred piston system?


I carried a "pistol" then an sbr w/ a detached, but quick mount, suppressor for more than a year and will be carrying again very soon.

http://i.imgur.com/TXSJKLT.jpg

Vertx Gamut Plus (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/keywords=vertx%20gamut%20plus), a Law Tactical folding adapter (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0142AIWZ8/), your choice of SBR setup (I prefer a piston setup as they work far better in the 7-9inch area in 5.56. If you are going to go 300blk, then a DI system will work fine.

I am going to be transitioning to a bigger bag (slightly bigger) so I can carry my SBR w/ PDW stock on it in a center-mount style - arc'teryx khard or lbx make a nice one...might even get the new 5.11 Ignitor (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/keywords=5.11%20IGNITOR%20BACKPACK), Covrt boxpack (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TR8R0HW/) or M4 shorty backpack (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/keywords=5.11%20COVRT%20M4%20SHORTY).

Few things to consider:

You won't just be carrying a rifle/pistol rifle/sbr w/ a can on it.
You'll be carrying mags, IFAK/Trauma kit, pistol reloads, gloves, ear pro, TQ's, etc etc. So plan accordingly.

I'll be doing a review of the Vertx Gamut Plus soon, I've been busy and have not gotten around to it.

[SeriousStudent]

I have an 11.5" BCM AR pistol, with a LAW adapter, DI gas system, Aimpoint Micro RDS, Surefire X300 light, etc. I keep it fed with Colt aluminum 20-rounders, and it is very fast and easy to deploy from an old Camelbak day pack. The 20's make it much faster to deploy than a 30-rounder.

It also has the Sig arm brace. Due to our laws here in Texas, I can vehicle carry it with no issues, since it is a loaded, concealed pistol.

Like VDM, it's got an IFAK, small cleaning kit, spare light & batteries, spare AR and Glock mags, plus a pair of J-frame speedloaders.

I do have four of the Lancer 10-round transparent mags, that I keep loaded with 7 rounds. They also feed with no issues.

[Gray222]

What is the preferred piston system?

I am biased for pws, just because I have put this gun through some shit. I also know a dozen other guys who run nearly this exact setup and have way more use than mine, no issues.

I've seen other piston systems (lwrc and Adams) specifically and cannot say anything negative about their current offerings.

[SLG]

Awesome guns, no doubt.

As far as suppressors go, AK's in general don't do well with cans unless they are built for them from the beginning. Just not usually concentric enough to be safe for the cans.

[JAD]

GoRuck, whose stuff I like, is working on some new gun bags. I got a preview email a while ago but I do not see them on their website yet.

[Clobbersaurus]

This thread got me interested in short 7.62x39's again so I looked up an old post I did on another forum regarding muzzle velocity of my old gun. It may be interesting for anyone who is interested in SBR's....


Here's the chrono data I got when I tested it:

Czech Surplus Ammo:
858 Results: 19inch barrel 7.62x39
AVG Velocity: = 2294fps +/- 21fps

DLASK Conversion results: 12inch barrel 7.62x39
Average Velocity: 2119fps+/- 29fps

So we lose roughly 175 fps with a 7 inch reduction in barrel length! I zero at 75 yards which basically gives me point and shoot out to 200 yards, which is a 6.5" drop traveling at about 1700fps. It drops like a stone after 200yds through, 300 yard drop is over 26 inches.

[texasaggie2005]

GoRuck, whose stuff I like, is working on some new gun bags. I got a preview email a while ago but I do not see them on their website yet.
I wish they still made bags without all the Velcro and Molle on the outside.

[Gray222]

Awesome guns, no doubt.

As far as suppressors go, AK's in general don't do well with cans unless they are built for them from the beginning. Just not usually concentric enough to be safe for the cans.

Totally agree, I originally wanted to run an ak pistol but it's just not accurate enough for me and I couldn't get it to function properly suppressed.

Also the whole stigma of looking like a terrorist.


GoRuck, whose stuff I like, is working on some new gun bags. I got a preview email a while ago but I do not see them on their website yet.

I have a gr1. Great bag. Very tacticool.

[JAD]

I wish they still made bags without all the Velcro and Molle on the outside.

They do a 'slick' version of the GR1 called the SK26.

[texasaggie2005]

They do a 'slick' version of the GR1 called the SK26.
Huh, well that's irritating. In February of this year they told me they had no plans of making a "slick" GR1 again. So I went a different route.

[SteveB]

How do you like the Law adapter?

I just got one for a 300 BKT SBR; looks like this will be the shortest package available for an AR-pattern rifle. The build quality appears to be very good; while the stock does not lock open in the folded position, there is a robust lock for the extended position. Obviously, you can't fire the rifle while folded.

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[SeriousStudent]

Actually, if one owns a Gen 2 or Gen 3 unit, it can be fired with the stock folded. It does require manually running the charging handle to extract the spent case and load a fresh round.

This allows the user to get off a first round quicker. Per Unity Tactical, this is a supported usage. I would not perform prolonged strings of fire this way, but have operated mine in this fashion successfully.

I do have a 5.5" 9mm carbine that takes Glock mags that is going to get this treatment as well. I'll probably do the same with a 8" 300 BLK SBR.

[LOKNLOD]

I do have a 5.5" 9mm carbine that takes Glock mags that is going to get this treatment as well.

I kind of like that idea, too. Which Glock-mag lower did you choose?

[SeriousStudent]

I used one of these:

http://www.runnerrunnerguns.com/product_p/ffl-rrg-thor-billet.htm

They had it on sale for $99 with a free Magpul Glock mag on Black Friday. Most of the other parts are Quarter-Circle 10. I used Ballistic Advantage barrel:

http://ballisticadvantage.com/5-5-inch-9mm-modern-barrel.html

And put it on a Aero Precision slick-side (no forward assist) upper receiver. I got the Colt 9mm brass deflector parts from Brownells.

I still need to get an Aimpoint Micro for it. And maybe someday the Griffin Optimus can will be out of NFA jail.

My regular CHL piece is a Gen2 Glock 19. So this does offer the silly fantasy idea of reduced logistics.

(Actually, it's just going to be a ridiculously fun range toy shooting 9mm subsonic ammo at steel plates with my daughter and granddaughter.)

It will fit in a briefcase with ease, with the can removed and the stock folded. I've got an old Colt Fiberite stock I'll put on it to make it very compact, and better fit the kiddos.

[GJM]

Just looking at a spec sheet -- is it true the Law adapter adds 10.5 ounces?

[ranger]

If you are thinking 9mm, I suggest SIG MPX pistol to SBR. That is the route I am taking.

[Clobbersaurus]

If you are thinking 9mm, I suggest SIG MPX pistol to SBR. That is the route I am taking.

MPX's are interesting. I use to own a B&T TP9. It was a fantastic little gun with a T1 mounted. Super lightweight and reliable.

Pics of my TP9:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/TP9001.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/TP9001.jpg.html)
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/TP9002.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/TP9002.jpg.html)

[ReverendMeat]

That is too cool.

[Gray222]

MPX's are interesting. I use to own a B&T TP9. It was a fantastic little gun with a T1 mounted. Super lightweight and reliable.

Pics of my TP9:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/TP9001.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/TP9001.jpg.html)
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/TP9002.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/TP9002.jpg.html)

Want

[rob_s]

Just looking at a spec sheet -- is it true the Law adapter adds 10.5 ounces?

Wow. Really?

[GJM]

Wow. Really?



http://www.lawtactical.com/ar_folding_stock_adapter_gen_3_m_p/99312.htm


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[johnson]

I do have four of the Lancer 10-round transparent mags, that I keep loaded with 7 rounds. They also feed with no issues.

Did you have issues when loaded to capacity? I just received a Lancer AWM 10rd in smoke and it was so tight to seat on a closed bolt that you had to forcefully jam it in. Then to release I had to use two thumbs with the receiver on a flat surface. I grinded down the follower stop by about 2 mm and now it seats/releases fine but it's easy to load 11 rounds. I also had to remove some metal from the two tabs because it would not drop free if I loaded anymore than 3 rounds. I've only put about 40 rounds through it so far (mostly suppressed) and haven't had any issues feeding or locking back.

https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7880&stc=1


OP, I sometimes carry my broken down 12.5" in a regular backpack. It's not as durable or purpose built like all the other $200 "discreet" rifle bags but no one bats an eye when I walk out the house with it. You can see the outline of the muzzle in the top left corner (not noticeable when slung) so I'd suggest something a little shorter in 5.56 or an 8-9" 300 BLK.

https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7881&stc=1

[TR675]

MPX's are interesting. I use to own a B&T TP9. It was a fantastic little gun with a T1 mounted. Super lightweight and reliable.

Clobb: is that a factory SBR? What's the story there?

[Default.mp3]

What about a SCAR 16S with a CQC barrel? Seems to me to be a pretty good factory option, without having to deal with installing an adapter and all that. Or a CZ Bren 805 with the 11" barrel assembly (although one should wonder if the Bren 806 will ever make its way over here). If you wanna be all hipster and take a chance, the Robinson Arms XCR-L. Pair with whatever 5.56 QD can of your choice.

For a minimal package, probably a PCC like a MP5K-PDW (or a nice clone), SIG MPX-K, B&T P26, or maybe even a B&T TP9 or Glock in one of those stock-dealies.

Honestly though, I'm not seeing much utility in such a set-up, even though I totally want to set up an MPX-K for such a mission profile, just for shits and giggles.