Rare P228?

[ASH556]

Hey guys, I'm working a local trade deal and this guy is offering me what he calls a super rare P228 in that it is a factory-built P228 with a rail. Something about a .gov contract overrun. The thing is, he wants stupid money for it, like $900 stupid. He says they go for $1,100 when you can find them. I really don't know much about Sigs and previous generations, etc. Can anyone offer me some insight/value of this pistol?

Thanks!

http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab104/ASH556/P228R.jpeg
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab104/ASH556/P228R_1.jpeg

[JDM]

Your pictures aren't working for me.

[TGS]

Interwebs conjecture ranges from the "military contract overrun" story to new old stock parts guns.

Stupid pricey. You can buy a used P229 police trade and put a used P228 slide on them for half of what these cost. That's what I did.

[ASH556]

Your pictures aren't working for me.

Ok, I re-hosted them myself. How about now?

[ASH556]

Interwebs conjecture ranges from the "military contract overrun" story to new old stock parts guns.

Stupid pricey. You can buy a used P229 police trade and put a used P228 slide on them for half of what these cost. That's what I did.

Thanks for the input. To clarify, I really don't care to have it. I'll flip it to get the cash I need for the deal or trade towards a .308 bolt gun, which is what I really want. I'm just trying to find out if the $900 is a real market value.

[Hauptmann]

As a guy who has owned many P228s over the years, there is nothing special about that one, other than Sig found the last of the carbon stamped slides to mount on there and call it special. A P228 is a great compact 9mm, but it is showing its age with the carbon steel slide. However, I love them. Personally, I find the best P228s have "Made in W. German" stamped on the slide, and were made prior to 1994(up to KD date code). From 1994 on(likely due to the AWB), Sig gradually changed their manufacturing process to cheapen the product. From a practical standpoint, I would stay away from anything made after 1998(the last of the machined triggers and hammers), and very cautiously considering buying anything made after 2012.

For a W. German P228 in rough condition with one mag and no box/papers, expect to pay between $500-$550. For a W. German P228 in almost new condition, with the original factory box, manual, and test target expect to pay between $800-$900.

In the case of this particular P228, I wouldn't pay anything more than $700 total if you want to flip it. Realistically, you might sell it for $750-$800at most, and then you might have to worry about FFL transfer fees or shipping......unless you do a FTF.

[JDM]

Ok, I re-hosted them myself. How about now?

The are working.

[Mitch]

Thanks for the input. To clarify, I really don't care to have it. I'll flip it to get the cash I need for the deal or trade towards a .308 bolt gun, which is what I really want. I'm just trying to find out if the $900 is a real market value.

I think you'd have a very tough time getting that out of it. You can find a new 229 with a rail for around that (or less if you look hard enough), which makes it a real tough sell.

Not worth the effort in my opinion.

[okie john]

If someone tells you that a gun is rare, then they already have some idea of its value and they're not going to let it slip away without making a buck. If you buy it, then they're making money off of you, which is the opposite of what you want. What you're looking for is the seller who doesn't know what he has. In that case, if you KNOW what you're dealing with, and you KNOW that you're getting it for less than 50% of its value and you KNOW you can turn it quickly, then grab it. Otherwise it's probably not worth filling out the 4473.


Okie John

[M2CattleCo]

I had one of those briefly a few years ago. It's just a 228 upper on a P229R frame. Mine was triple serial numbered and proofed. I also had a couple 226Rs with the folded slide and triple serial numbered and proofed too. They make different things in Germany.

The one pictured appears to have an IUID laser etched in the frame like the M11 does. Check it out and see what the markings are.

If you really want a railed Sig compact with the old type slide, then $900 is not a bad price if it's new. Myself, I find that the 228/229 is just not small enough to be an advantage over the 226. So all I use are P226s and P239s...

If I was in the market for a P229, I'd have a hard time not going with a brand new one. The legacy slides were great pistols, but the new ones seem to just as good. I have a P226 from '03 and a P239 from about the same time and I also have a MK25 and a P239 from 2015 and honestly, the 2015s are tighter with better feeling triggers. Never a malf out of any of 'em.

The best thing about a 228 or legacy 9mm 229, and 9mm P226 is that Greg Cote LLC had Mec-Gar OEM type phosphate mags for $20. Those used to be twice that much and they're awesome mags.

[SLG]

What kind of 308 bolt gun are you looking for?

I've found that sigs until 2006 are really good, and sigs after 2012 are also good.

[ASH556]

What kind of 308 bolt gun are you looking for?

I've found that sigs until 2006 are really good, and sigs after 2012 are also good.

One of the 16" Rem 700 AAC threaded ones.

[farscott]

One of the 16" Rem 700 AAC threaded ones.

Be very careful with these. One of my shooting buddies bought one of these, and it has been trouble from day one. The X-Mark-Pro trigger shoe fractured, and the stock broke under recoil after the trigger was replaced. If I had not been there for the stock breaking, I would not have believed it. I am not sure what is happening with Remington, but that rifle surprised me -- and not in a good way.

[ASH556]

Be very careful with these. One of my shooting buddies bought one of these, and it has been trouble from day one. The X-Mark-Pro trigger shoe fractured, and the stock broke under recoil after the trigger was replaced. If I had not been there for the stock breaking, I would not have believed it. I am not sure what is happening with Remington, but that rifle surprised me -- and not in a good way.

I plan to replace both the stock and trigger, but thanks for the head's up!

[Peally]

Good idea. Good starter rifle platform but the stock and trigger need to go ;)

[ASH556]

Good idea. Good starter rifle platform but the stock and trigger need to go ;)

This dude on MI guns posted this a few years back. This is pretty much what I'm planning.
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab104/ASH556/IMG_1763_zps48da6c69.jpg

[HCM]

I plan to replace both the stock and trigger, but thanks for the head's up!

You may want to look at a 20" rather than the 16". Several owners of the 16" AAC rem 700's have reported accuracy issues. For some reason the 20" guns do much better.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?178383-Remington-700-AAC-SD-w-16-5-quot-308-!

Even with the 20" it is still a bit of a crap shoot. I would look hard at a Tikka CTR.

[SLG]

I have a 20" SPS. Insanely accurate for a factory gun. Don't use it much anymore, and it is currently not in a stock, but it is a hell of a gun for $350. Jim Brockman added an old style trigger and a SF brake.

[ReverendMeat]

Doesn't look like anything at all special to me and no way in hell I'd pay $900 for it. I don't see any real benefit to the older stamped slides compared to the new ones, and you could get a new M11-A1 or 229R for well under 900.

Not to mention with the older frames the newer 15 round magazines won't fit and you'll be limited to the 13s.

[M2CattleCo]

Doesn't look like anything at all special to me and no way in hell I'd pay $900 for it. I don't see any real benefit to the older stamped slides compared to the new ones, and you could get a new M11-A1 or 229R for well under 900.

Not to mention with the older frames the newer 15 round magazines won't fit and you'll be limited to the 13s.

I consider the old style frame to be more desirable than the new -1 frame. You can get new 13 round Mec-Gars for $19.95 from Grec Cote. Mec-Gar also makes 15 and 18 round mags for that frame. The new 15 round 229-1 mags are at least $40 when they're in stock.

[ReverendMeat]

I was under the impression that the -1 frames also accept the older style magazines as well

[JDM]

Not to mention with the older frames the newer 15 round magazines won't fit and you'll be limited to the 13s.

That is not an accurate statement:

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Mec Gar makes excellent flush fitting 15 round magazines for the no dash 228/9 and they are about $24/ea.

[TGS]

I've got 3 of those myself.

For anyone wondering, they've worked just fine for me in the P229-1 frame as well.

[Sero Sed Serio]

I consider the old style frame to be more desirable than the new -1 frame. You can get new 13 round Mec-Gars for $19.95 from Grec Cote. Mec-Gar also makes 15 and 18 round mags for that frame. The new 15 round 229-1 mags are at least $40 when they're in stock.

+1. CDNN has the same Mec-Gars for $16.99, occasionally on sale for $14.99. I have run these mags hard and never had an issue. On a funny note Cheaper Than Dirt is currently advertising these mags for $9,000.00 each. I was trying to figure out a way to return my entire stash...

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[ReverendMeat]

That is not an accurate statement:


Mec Gar makes excellent flush fitting 15 round magazines for the no dash 228/9 and they are about $24/ea.

...I can't believe I didn't know those mags exist! Thanks for the correction

[JDM]

No problem!

http://gregcotellc.com/cart/sig-sauer-magazines-c-123/sig-sauer-p228-p229-9mm-15-rd-blued-mecgar-mgp22815b-p-619.html

:)

[PPGMD]

The defaced M11/US marked P228Rs aren't that rare they were available for a few years at dealers new. I think I paid around $800 for a new one when they were first released in 2008.

I think the only rare P228Rs are the undefaced M11/US marked ones that were delivered for some .gov contract. But only collectors care about those guns.


Not to mention with the older frames the newer 15 round magazines won't fit and you'll be limited to the 13s.

P229-1 magazines 15 round magazines won't fit the old frames. The P228/P229 15 round Mecgar magazines fit the old frames just fine, and are cheaper. I have one P229-1 magazine and a couple of dozen Mecgars. I only used the Mecgars in both my P228R and my P229R-1 with zero issues.

[HCM]

The 229-1 frame is just the existing 40/357 p229 frame. The older 9mm 229s used a proprietary frame which only accepted the 228 style magazines (13 factory / 15 rd mec gars).

SIG switched to the -1 to streamline production and have just one frame. The p228 mags have a slight amount of movement in a 40/-1 frame but they lock in and function fine. I've used P228 mags in both a 299-1 Extreme, and a .40 cal 229R with Barsto 40-9mm conversion barrel.

For those with 229-1 guns, IME you can also use 40/357 mags in 229-1 guns. They hold 14 rounds and function just fine for range use.

[Chef]

There is a reason that guy has been relisting that sig on ODT for a month. No takers. I even offered a good trade for it and he wanted stupid money on top.


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[combatcozz]

You know you could have just asked me bro.

Do your research on the 228r, look at how much they run on gunbroker or any of the action websites then get back to me. When did I say anything about a government contract over run?

You can't even buy a Sig228r for under 800




Hey guys, I'm working a local trade deal and this guy is offering me what he calls a super rare P228 in that it is a factory-built P228 with a rail. Something about a .gov contract overrun. The thing is, he wants stupid money for it, like $900 stupid. He says they go for $1,100 when you can find them. I really don't know much about Sigs and previous generations, etc. Can anyone offer me some insight/value of this pistol?

Thanks!

http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab104/ASH556/P228R.jpeg
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab104/ASH556/P228R_1.jpeg