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GJM
04-21-2016, 07:55 PM
http://nypost.com/2016/04/21/cops-were-ordered-to-release-ex-commissioner-carrying-loaded-gun-illegally/


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41magfan
04-21-2016, 08:10 PM
Here's a clue .....

http://newyorkcourtcorruption.blogspot.com/2012/08/terrence-raynor-janet-difiores-chief.html
Cool Breeze
04-21-2016, 08:11 PM
I understand this didn't happen in NYC but this is how NYC (and probably Westchester) view LEOSA. They have a lovely link emphasizing limitations of LEOSA:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/understanding_hr_218.pdf
KeeFus
04-21-2016, 08:11 PM
The ex-commish's reported attitude is what got him jammed up. It read like he was acting like an ass...which never bodes well for anyone involved in a LE contact.

ETA: from the other link it appears he is a douche...and possibly a felon. Wonder who he called?
HCM
04-21-2016, 08:29 PM
Westchester is contiguous to NYC - it is the first county north of Da Bronx.

NY state residents including retired LEO's need a NY state or NYC pistol permit merely to possess a handgun. The only exception is active LEO's and on duty military including national guard.

LEOSA allows qualifying LEO's from other states to carry their lawfully owned handguns but wouldn't a retired LEO who is a NY resident still need to have a NY pistol permit to own or possess a handgun, separate from LEOSA's authority to carry?

I know LEOSA does not cover everything, like standard capacity magazines, and I know you could not buy a handgun in NY with just a LEOSA ID.

Plus don't you need both you both your retired/LEOSA ID and proof you've qualified on your state of residence's course of fire within the past year ?
Lon
04-21-2016, 09:52 PM
Sounds like he was a douche.

The are a few states that I have no desire to visit. NY, NJ and CA are at the top o' the list.



Plus don't you need both you both your retired/LEOSA ID and proof you've qualified on your state of residence's course of fire within the past year ?

Yes you do.
GJM
04-21-2016, 10:13 PM
Think they will throw in an extra charge or two since he was carrying a .380, and at PF, we don't go out in public with just a .380?

Wonder what the coverage would have been like if he had a Glock Rowland, S&W Pro BUG and a clinch pick on.
HCM
04-21-2016, 10:16 PM
Think they will throw in an extra charge or two since he was carrying a .380, and at PF, we don't go out in public with just a .380?

Wonder what the coverage would have been like if he had a Glock Rowland, S&W Pro BUG and a clinch pick on.

George,

You lived in CT, you know they wouldn't even know what any of that was. The coverage would likely say he had "an Uzi".
Cool Breeze
04-22-2016, 01:27 AM
LEOSA allows qualifying LEO's from other states to carry their lawfully owned handguns but wouldn't a retired LEO who is a NY resident still need to have a NY pistol permit to own or possess a handgun, separate from LEOSA's authority to carry?

I know LEOSA does not cover everything, like standard capacity magazines, and I know you could not buy a handgun in NY with just a LEOSA ID.



Good question. I know for normal residents all handguns are actually printed on your permit and registered to it. I don't believe a person is allowed to possess a handgun that is not on their permit. I don't know if retired Leo are exempt from that.

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mark7
04-22-2016, 03:51 PM
Lawsuit claiming anti-black bias to follow forthwith . . .
TGS
04-22-2016, 07:55 PM
This sounds less like a case of LEOSA being challenged by NY and more like a case of a criminal making a piss poor attempt at hiding behind LEOSA....
HCM
04-22-2016, 09:18 PM
Good question. I know for normal residents all handguns are actually printed on your permit and registered to it. I don't believe a person is allowed to possess a handgun that is not on their permit. I don't know if retired Leo are exempt from that.

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Under NY law active LEO both Police Officers/ Deputy sheriffs and peace officers as are federal LEO's listed as having peace officer powers. Fed LEO not on listed in the criminal procedure law, such a US BOP corrections officers can possess agency issued handguns per their duties but must have a NY pistol license to possess a personally owned handgun.

AFAIK retired LEOs in NY state who are NY residents must have a pistol license to possess a handgun.