10 round limit; 9, 40, or .45?

[john c]

When limited to a 10 round magazine for a medium sized CCW, am I better off with a 10 rounds of 9mm, .40, or .45? I carry a j-frame when when I need a pocket gun, but prefer a bigger, more shootable gun for OWB carry. I'm issued HST in these calibers, if that makes a difference.

I currently carry a Glock 17 in this role, but adjoining cities are passing 10 round mag possession bans that don't exempt LEOs. I'm not confident in Glock 10 round magazines in my 17, so I'm searching for a new pistol. I'm considering a Glock 30 or 30S, M&P 45 or 45c. Are there other pistols I should consider? My preference would be for a 9mm, but I want something bigger than a G26.

My background is with SFA, but I'm open to a DAO or LEM.

[RevolverRob]

I was going to say .357 Sig, but if you're being given ammo. 9mm or .45. An HK45C LEM would be tough to beat if limited to 10-rounds. Frankly, if really limited to 10-rounds, I'd go quality 1911 and never look back.

-Rob

[DocGKR]

If limited to 10 round mags, then I personally would likely go for pistols like the M&P9c, G19 cut to take G26 mags, M&P45, HK45c, .45 Auto 1911 or a possibly a reliable 1911 in 9 mm.

[Drang]

What do you shoot best?

[BJJ]

In what state can a municipality enforce magazine restrictions? Can a municipality y also limit your political speech?

[gqllc007]

I have the same issue here in NY. I carry a Glock 26. Doesnt get much better than that for 10+1 If too wide I carry a G43 (6+1) and a PPS M2 (8+1) Shield is a good choice too. Otherwise a Glock 19 with your HST will be perfect

[MPG]

In what state can a municipality enforce magazine restrictions? Can a municipality y also limit your political speech?

California so far. L.A., Sunnyvale and San Francisco all have enacted local magazine restrictions, that so far have withstood legal challenge. Even though I believe there is preemption in place, no challenge from the state has been brought forth to overturn or assert standing.

[Gray222]

I carry a G26 for mag ban states (NY/DC) with a bunch of ten round mags...

[Hauptmann]

Since you already carry a Glock in 9mm on duty, then it is a no brainer to carry a Glock in 9mm off duty. There is no point is mixing up platforms and calibers if you already are proficient with the G17 with its controls, POA, and recoil characteristics. So.....likely a G26.

If you were carrying a Sig in .40S&W on duty, then it would make sense to go with another Sig in .40....only smaller.

[Bigghoss]

M&P45 would be a tempting choice for a 10 round limit. The Springfield EMP with it's 10 round 9mm capacity looks like a nice gun but I haven't heard many reports on.

[BillSWPA]

The one caliber I would immediately rule out is .40. I have heard or read of more gun explosions in .40 than all other calibers combined, and the one time I personally saw a gun blow up, it was a .40. The .40 will penetrate to about the same depth as 9mm, and the wound channel will not be significantly wider. The .40 might hit harder and make a slightly bigger hole, but I am unconvinced that a bad guy will notice the difference.

The previous federal 10 round limit was one factor that caused me to get a .45 1911. For concealed carry, I am quite happy with a Glock 26, regardless of whether capacity is limited to 10 rounds. I can shoot my 26 very close to as well as I can shoot my 19. The .45 Glocks are a bit thick for my hands, but remain shootable for me.

[spinmove_]

If you want a bigger gun physically, then I'd do a .45ACP in M&P45. If you want something smaller, then perhaps a G26 or M&P9c with pinky extension? Still can't go wrong with an M&P Shield 9 if you want something smaller still.

[Chuck Haggard]

With your experience with the G17 I'd give the G26 or the G26L concept a try. With the pinkie extension the G26 is a decently capable gun, somewhat more so with the longer slide of a chopped G19.

[Nephrology]

I'd go for an M&P45/45c.

[Hideeho]

I have had good luck with two different pistols I bought for magazine limited states. A Glock 30S and HK P30SK LEM. The 30S is bigger than a 26, but smaller than a 19. Removed the finger grooves and hump to make it fit my hand. Using 10 round mags gets a comfortable full grip on gun. Recoil not a problem using 230 gr HST. This might be a good option if you are a Glock shooter looking for a .45.

[Dagga Boy]

With your experience with the G17 I'd give the G26 or the G26L concept a try. With the pinkie extension the G26 is a decently capable gun, somewhat more so with the longer slide of a chopped G19.

What he said. I am faced with this a lot these days as I have to go to California fairly often. If size is not a concern, I carry a HK 45 or 45C, especially if limited to "non-police Ammo"...whatever the fuck that is (in SF I think it is basically "no Gestapo" in these freaks minds). With my agency issued +P HST....I love the HK's and do not feel under gunned at all. If concealment is an issue, the P2000sk was my go to. It has been replaced with a P30SK. I also obtained a S&W 386NG as a companion for my M&P 340 that is a good combo if I really want to avoid any issues.
My payback to places like this are simple and came directly from the NYPD. Right after the SAFE act was passed, there was no exemption for LEO's and their duty guns carried off duty. Word was passed down...carry a five shot revolver off duty and do not help anybody. Sadly, these places that ignore federal law on LEOSA are the same places that are often Sanctuary cities, and allow federal drug laws to be ignored. People voted for that leadership, so they can live with the crime that goes with it without interference. I always wonder if Texas decided to ignore all federal gun laws if that would be deemed Okie dokie like the places making up their own stuff.
Easy stuff....work with the local laws, go full blinders on any crime that does not directly affect you.

[TiroFijo]

With your experience with the G17 I'd give the G26 or the G26L concept a try. With the pinkie extension the G26 is a decently capable gun, somewhat more so with the longer slide of a chopped G19.

What is the problem with 10 round glock 17/19 mags?

[TAZ]

Interesting that even with preemption laws in place the bans aren't thrown out. Didn't realize that the state has to act instead of the people being impacted. Thought that the aggrieved party could use state and federal laws to defend their case. Goes to show just how little I know of the "legal" system.

As to the problem, I wouldn't change caliber and platforms unless this is an excuse to try something new. Plenty of Glock's out there that you can use and stay with the same manual of arms. Caliber wise, may limits or not, IMO the adage that you should use what you shoot the best still rules the day. 9mm hits do more to stop a threat than 50AE misses.

By their stance these localities obviously do not need your help. If something goes south use the tools at hand to protect yourself and your loved ones. Everything else there can burn to the ground. They wanted it so they should be allowed to get it. Yes, I am an asshole. But I'm OK with it.

[xmanhockey7]

Even if restricted to 10 rounds I'd stay with 9mm. Although my Nighthawk 1911 in 9mm would likely see a lot of carry. If I couldn't carry HP then I'd be inclined to switch to 45.

[psalms144.1]

You sound like you're comfortable and confident with the Glock platform, so I'd stick with that. What is it about the G26 that you don't like? I'm a G19 guy myself, but I find that I can shoot the G26 just as well as the G19 (sometimes better on pure accuracy drills). The only place the G26 lags is in reload speed, because of the stumpy mags and likelihood of pinching my hands.

If you can't get your head around the G26, the G30 is G19ish size, with 10+1 of .45 ACP goodness. Again, one man's experience, but I can't shoot the G30 (mine is an "S") ANYWHERE NEAR as well as the G19 or G26, so the only time it comes out of the safe if when I'm going on vacation up north, where the black bears and mean ass moose are more of a concern than 2-legged threats.

I personally have never warmed to the M&P, but DocGKR says the .45 Mid-size is his pick of polymer .45s, and that's good enough for me.

Lastly, I was VERY impressed with the limited finger-banging I was able to do of a P320c .45. Very G19ish in size, grip felt great, good trigger, 9+1 capacity.

But, back to the future, in your shoes, I'd get a G26 or two, and call it a day.

[StrikerFire]

Great advice already.

If you shoot equally well between calibers, go bigger with the limit.

You might consider the full size Glock 37 (45 GAP) (10 + 1) or compact G38 (8+1) with G37 mag.

Here is a quality all copper DPX round: https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=326

Roughly 470 ft/lbs at muzzle from a 160 grain DPX bullet from a G38

Carry extra mags with whatever choice you make assuming that is legal.

[Bigghoss]

What is the problem with 10 round glock 17/19 mags?

I have heard that the restricted mags aren't as reliable. But I can't vouch for that myself.

[Nephrology]

I have heard that the restricted mags aren't as reliable. But I can't vouch for that myself.

I can. I use them as my training mags with proven guns. They've choked on me before. Totally fine for practice, don't love them for matches, would never carry them.

[Trukinjp13]

If I can only have 10 rounds, it would be a g26 or a shield with 8 round mags. Carrying a fullsize with neutered magazines does not sound appealing.

[Larry Sellers]

If I can only have 10 rounds, it would be a g26 or a shield with 8 round mags. Carrying a fullsize with neutered magazines does not sound appealing.

I do that with a 19 now being from CT and it's less than desirable (being from CT and neutered mags)

Working on putting the 1911 Chambered in 9mm as a viable Option with 10 round mags.....

[JonInWA]

I'd choose with three concepts in mind:

1. With what gun/platform/cartridge do you shoot the best (and that's irrespective of ammunition capacity); and/or, if there's a smaller gun in that platform of preference, do you shoot is as well as it's larger brethren;

2. Which cartridge best needs the parameters for the likely use scenarios you'll encounter;

3. Which platform/gun has the most reliable/available magazines?

In other words, if you shoot a Glock G17 superbly, and the 10 round magazines are reliable and available, I'd stick with it. While the normal capacity is indeed a plus (17+1 vs 10+1), take a hard look at likely problem resolution ammunition needs-I suspect that most of us would be fairly comfortable, practically, with 10 round magazine capacities, ignoring the frustrating and misplaced nanny-ism that dictated them.

Magazine reliability is important-and with a Glock, in order to achieve an easier reload when the slide is in battery, there's something to be said for the concept of downloading by at least 1 round so the top cartridge has some space to flex against the slide feed rail when inserted. So then you're looking at a 9 round magazine...

Spare auto pistol magazines are relatively easily and inconspicuously carried. With my "normal" capacity magazines, my backup is usually 1 magazine; if restricedt to 10 rd or single-digit capacity magazines, I'd probably up my reload carry to 2 magazines.

For most of us, I suspect that 9mm is more than adequate, with modern cartridges (i.e., DocGKR endorsed).

While I'm hardly the world's biggest .40 proponent, I have been impressed with the performance and ergos of my HK VP40; the combination of ergos and slide weight go a very long way towards taming and making .40 a palatable choice, and the normal capacity is 13, so going down to 10 isn't quite so onerous, at least perceptually.

Another potential alternative might be a Glock GAP .45, especially the G19-size G38. A G38 vs a HK45C comparison might be worthwhile for you in your selection process.

Best, Jon

[john c]

Thank you, gentlemen, for your replies.

I don't like small pistols because I have larger hands and don't shoot them well. I have pachmayr grips in my j-frame, allowing me to control the gun. The curves of the j-frame conceal better for me than the straight edges of an auto. I can also change the grip for different concealment options. Also, I sometimes work off-duty jobs, and the employers like to see a full size gun, for some reason. I have my j-frame for low key CCW, so this pistol is for when I want/need a more capable pistol.

I cannot used modified pistols due to dept regulations. It has to be box stock, so I can't get/make a G26L or similar. If Glock made a reliable 10 round magazine for the G17, I'd be happy with that. Although I have a like 9mm 1911s, which otherwise seem ideal, I'm a little leary of using a pistol with a safety when I've trained for so many years without one. Ditto for a decocker.

I wouldn't say I shoot the G17 great, compared to those on this forum, but I do okay with it. I now have a dedicated practice/dry fire gun, and am working on the drills, etc, to get better with it.

I like the G30S because it's similar in size to a G19, it has a full sized grip, and it appears to fit the bill. I fired an early G30 about 16 years ago, but that's the last time I shot one. It seemed okay, but I shot/shoot my G21 better. A close shooting buddy of mine has an M&P 45 that I've shot extensively, and it's a great pistol. For 9mm, I'm considering a PPS M2. I guess I want a 10 round pistol that shoots as close to a full size pistol as possible. Is there some magic elixir I'm missing? ;)

[Bigghoss]

Maybe a sig P225?

[FNFAN]

My contingency for a "ban those killer boolits" law is a .44 revolver and a .45 that will feed semi-wadcutters. My choice for the .45 is a commander lightweight but the G30s is an awesome gun. As John C. mentioned it's G19 sized and I've found them to be very accurate. Only reason I don't own one is Glock's strange policy of refusing to make them a Gen4 gun when the Gen4 frames are readily available. I'd feel very well armed with a duty G30s!

[john c]

Maybe a sig P225?

I'm considering this, but they don't appear to be available in DAK. I "flip and press", so DAK doesn't appear to have a downside for me.

Is DAK in the future for P225-A1?

[Cool Breeze]

Glock 26 with pinky extension on magazine - makes the gun G19 length for your larger hands and you can use reliable 10 round g26 mags. Shoots like a full size (at least to me)

[JonInWA]

I'd personally be amazed if SIG does anything much further than they've done with the re-issued P225-A1. If you want a DAK in a single-stack SIG, the P239 is your ticket. Having previously owned a P229 DAK, I'm pretty lukewarm on DAK, especially if you're likely to use a multiplicity of action types.

If you're experienced and decent with a Glock action/platform, that's what I'd recommend you concentrate on first (or a similar striker-fired action, such as HK VP or Walther PPQ, or FN FNS). If for whatever reasons you decide to exclude/move away from Glock, then the picture could change, but I'd strongly recommend on sticking with what you're familiar with at this point-especially action-wise.

Best, Jon

[Mitchell, Esq.]

...go full blinders on any crime that does not directly affect you.

That's good advice in general.

[ReverendMeat]

I would stick with 9mm regardless, with the sole exception of 1911s.

I have a preference for TDA pistols personally so I would be looking at SIGs and Berettas. Both companies have readily available 10 round magazines that don't seem to have the same potential reliability issues as the Glock 10 rounders.

For SFA, if you enjoy Glocks I'd agree with the recommendations to grip chop a 17/19 to 26 length and add a pinky extension.

[VolGrad]

I was going to concur with suggestions for a G26, M&P45C, or a chopped G19 then I realized I live in a free state and self-limit myself by carrying a G43 so .....

[okie john]

When limited to a 10 round magazine for a medium sized CCW, am I better off with a 10 rounds of 9mm, .40, or .45? I carry a j-frame when when I need a pocket gun, but prefer a bigger, more shootable gun for OWB carry. I'm issued HST in these calibers, if that makes a difference.

I currently carry a Glock 17 in this role, but adjoining cities are passing 10 round mag possession bans that don't exempt LEOs. I'm not confident in Glock 10 round magazines in my 17, so I'm searching for a new pistol. I'm considering a Glock 30 or 30S, M&P 45 or 45c. Are there other pistols I should consider? My preference would be for a 9mm, but I want something bigger than a G26.

My background is with SFA, but I'm open to a DAO or LEM.

HK's magazine game is strong, so I'd seriously consider the P2000.


Okie John

[Moonshot]

Before you discount the G26, try one with the stock 10-round magazine fitted with a GAP floor plate. Can make a huge difference in draw and shooting control.

[Robert Mitchum]

M&P45, HK45 or HK45c .... I use all 3 for carry.
(1) Extra Magazine in a Gould & Goodrich Single Magazine Pouch and 1 more Magazine in my front pocket .. works for me.

[GAP]

Before you discount the G26, try one with the stock 10-round magazine fitted with a GAP floor plate. Can make a huge difference in draw and shooting control.

I've never understood this explanation as a reason to use the GAP floor plate. Whether you have a full length or subcompact grip you (should be) are still placing the web of your hand as high as possible on the frame. A magazine baseplate helping my draw would suggest that I'm randomly grabbing the gun and need something to tell me I'm at the bottom of the grip.

Also, I didn't find them to do anything at all for "shooting control." Quite the opposite actually because the baseplate is thicker which spreads your pinky farther away from the frame and your ring finger.

The GAP floor plates can aid in certain examples of weapon retention and ripping magazines out of the gun, not much else IMO.

I love my 26s for concealed carry, but for duty use I think I'd go a larger framed .45 route.

[FrankinCA]

Hi, this is my first post. I live in California. Besides the ridiculous 10 round limit, we are also burdened by a firearm roster. Basically civilians are restricted in what firearms they can buy off the shelf. That said, my choices for CCW are Kahr K9, Glock 26, 27, Sig P239 and HK P2000sk.
My main CCW is my Glock26. Agree with other posters .

[Dagga Boy]

That's good advice in general.

I am getting so much better at this. Saw a Democrat couple in a full fist fight on the side of the freeway the other day. Not only did I not stop, I didn't even come off the accelerator.

[Dagga Boy]

Maybe a sig P225?

I carried one extensively as an off duty gun for a lot of years, and you could likely find one in California for a private party transfer.

[Nephrology]

I am getting so much better at this. Saw a Democrat couple in a full fist fight on the side of the freeway the other day. Not only did I not stop, I didn't even come off the accelerator.

Was it Bernie and Clinton? if so I definitely would have stopped... you know she had a roll of quarters in her fist..

[Hambo]

I'd go back to a 1911 in .45 and not lose a minute of sleep.

[11B10]

The one caliber I would immediately rule out is .40. I have heard or read of more gun explosions in .40 than all other calibers combined, and the one time I personally saw a gun blow up, it was a .40. The .40 will penetrate to about the same depth as 9mm, and the wound channel will not be significantly wider. The .40 might hit harder and make a slightly bigger hole, but I am unconvinced that a bad guy will notice the difference.

The previous federal 10 round limit was one factor that caused me to get a .45 1911. For concealed carry, I am quite happy with a Glock 26, regardless of whether capacity is limited to 10 rounds. I can shoot my 26 very close to as well as I can shoot my 19. The .45 Glocks are a bit thick for my hands, but remain shootable for me.



I had a 30S for a while - loved shooting it and was able to shoot it about as good as I can shoot a firearm. Problem was the grip required me to readjust my grip every time I reloaded. My thumb would just not reach the mag release. I tried LoneWolf, Vickers, etc. - even made my own mag release and finally gave up. I now carry a P320C in .45, which so far is the ticket.

[Beat Trash]

I'm a bit late to this topic, but I would not change my choice of caliber just because of a magazine limitation. The reasons I find the 9mm sited for my needs in a 15-17 round magazine still apply when loaded in a 10 round magazine.

About the only gun that I am aware of that has issued when switching the standard capacity magazine for a 10 round magazine is the Glocks. My preferred off-duty gun is a gen4 Glock 19. Last week I replaced a Glock 26 that I sold off a few years ago with a new gen4 Glock 26. Add a +0 Pearce grip extension and this will become my travel gun when going to locations with magazine restrictions. Fortunately my agency has become more open as to the off-duty choices, so I'll shoot a qualifier with this gun so I can carry it under LEOSA.

But if the OP wants to stay with a mid sized gun that is larger than a Glock 26, there are plenty out there that also have a 10 round option. If you want to stay with a 9mm striker fired pistol, I'd look at the Sig 320c or the M&P9c. Both have 10 round magazine options.

[Wobblie]

The one caliber I would immediately rule out is .40. I have heard or read of more gun explosions in .40 than all other calibers combined, and the one time I personally saw a gun blow up, it was a .40. The .40 will penetrate to about the same depth as 9mm, and the wound channel will not be significantly wider. The .40 might hit harder and make a slightly bigger hole, but I am unconvinced that a bad guy will notice the difference.

The previous federal 10 round limit was one factor that caused me to get a .45 1911. For concealed carry, I am quite happy with a Glock 26, regardless of whether capacity is limited to 10 rounds. I can shoot my 26 very close to as well as I can shoot my 19. The .45 Glocks are a bit thick for my hands, but remain shootable for me.

I shouldn't shoot my .40s anymore because they might blow up? Didn't know I was livin' on the ragged edge.

[JTQ]

Another potential alternative might be a Glock GAP .45, especially the G19-size G38.
I wouldn't have thought of it, but if I were a Glock shooter this seems like a pretty good idea.

[DocGKR]

Try to stick with calibers having readily available ammo...

[GJM]

Try to stick with calibers having readily available ammo...

I had a Glock 38 stolen in a break in. The Trooper asked the serial number, and I told him that I didn't have it handy, but "just put Glock 38, as there couldn't be more than that one Glock 38 in our part of Alaska."

[Sammy1]

Doesn't H.R. 218 cover this? If not choose a firearm you like and then the caliber. The G43, PM9/40, G26/27...

[john c]

Doesn't H.R. 218 cover this? If not choose a firearm you like and then the caliber. The G43, PM9/40, G26/27...

It's not clear that it does, or doesn't. To my knowledge there's no case law. There's about zero likelihood of arrest or prosecution if push comes to shove, BUT I'd be out of policy, so I'd be up a creek in a civil suit. And I don't want to be a test case.

[HCM]

What is the problem with 10 round glock 17/19 mags?

Unlike most double stack 10 rounders which are simply the original mag blocked to the requisite capacity, Glock redesigned the internals on their mags so internally it is essentially a single stack. So they don't work like the originals.

In their LE Armorer classes, Glock recommends against using the 10 rounders for duty / carry use.

[TiroFijo]

Unlike most double stack 10 rounders which are simply the original mag blocked to the requisite capacity, Glock redesigned the internals on their mags so internally it is essentially a single stack. So they don't work like the originals.

In their LE Armorer classes, Glock recommends against using the 10 rounders for duty / carry use.

So they are selling essentially useless guns (or for entertainment purposes only) in ban states? Way to go, glock. That's two steps ahead of S&W lock revolvers.

[L-2]

I'm in California, too, and have several guns with mag capacities of 10 rounds or less.
Also, I hear San Francisco has some type of ammo-type limitation but can't find the actual ordinance to read the exact wording. Whether "HST" is banned there or not is unknown to me.

To reiterate the question, are you "better off" with 9mm, .40, or .45ACP? This will depend mostly on YOU, with the selected handgun & caliber.
Reliability will be of concern, too, which is the reason you're asking the question since you don't have confidence with a 10-round G17 mag.
For some reason you don't want a G26, which I've found to be very reliable and is one of my department's issued guns, the other being a G17Gen4. That's ok if you just don't like it.

Perhaps, it'd be more productive to provide us a list of handguns you do like and are considering, then we can comment on each one.
I also noticed you didn't include any revolvers. That's ok, too, but I just wanted to mention that option even though today's cops don't have as much experience with revolvers compared to older folks/cops like me.

Whatever you do choose, if it's not a Glock, do plan on some amount of function & familiarity firing/practice to become competent with that weapon. The amount of rounds & practice will vary on the individual's degree of comfort with one's competence.

If it is a Glock and not a G26-sized Glock, then the list will be: G30SF, G30gen4, G30S, G36, G29SF, G29Gen4, G42, G43, and don't forget.....G37gen3/4, and G38 (the .45GAP models!). I don't think I've forgotten any as the other Glocks are either G26-sized (like the G27 or G39), or their standard capacities are greater than 10 rounds (which means you won't feel the gun is reliable enough with a 10-round mag). If money is of concern, I'm assuming you qualify for the "Blue Label" Glock pricing, those prices could be enough to have you turn toward Glock PLUS you're already familiar with the platform being issued a G17.

[DocGKR]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13830-San-Francisco-Municipal-Police-Code-618-Prohibited-Ammunition

http://sanfranciscopolice.org/san-francisco-municipal-police-code-618-prohibited-ammunition

http://www.sfbos.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/bdsupvrs/committees/materials/CONS022113item1.pdf

[victran]

9mm. shot placement is key and back it up with plenty of magazines.

"bullets dont come in ones or twos, they come in by the magazine."

[WOLFIE]

I would go with an HK 45 for duty and a HK p2000SK 9mm for concealment. I am sure the P30SK will work and it has bigger magazine releases (i have the 2000SK). My second choice would be either the Glock 30 or 30S for duty and the 26 for concealment. The 45 M&P guns with the 4" barrel (carry and compact) have nice felt recoil.

[Duelist]

For me, between those three, it would be 9mm, because I shoot it faster and more accurately in comparably sized pistols, and my dominant hand is happier after a day of shooting 9mm.

[L-2]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13830-San-Francisco-Municipal-Police-Code-618-Prohibited-Ammunition

http://sanfranciscopolice.org/san-francisco-municipal-police-code-618-prohibited-ammunition

http://www.sfbos.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/bdsupvrs/committees/materials/CONS022113item1.pdf
Thank you so much for this info. I even asked one of my attorney contacts who only referred me to CA's POST or our union. I do have some Federal HST (not issued) which I should make sure I'm not carrying should I end up going into San Francisco (I don't want to be a test-case for this bogus law).

[Matthew]

I'm in a 10-round restricted state as well, so I'm looking for magazine reliability as well. I'm looking to consolidate to one platform as well to focus on for the next three years or so while I'm in this state. I'm going to stick to 9mm, and pick up multiples of the same gun in hopes of staying focused on training/performance instead of jumping back and forth.

I'm down between the M&P9c and G26. It would serve as daily carry and home defense. I'd carry it AIWB as well, so I'd get the ambi-safety version of the M&P9c. I'm just wondering if I'll kick myself for going down the route of M&P and a safety versus Glock and a Gadget.

Doc has me considering the M&P9c like post #268 here: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?15857-G19-with-RMR06-and-KKM-compensator/page27 or this one from Doug at ATEi http://ateiguns.com/gallery/mp/#gallery/1139/39

[breakingtime91]

I'm in a 10-round restricted state as well, so I'm looking for magazine reliability as well. I'm looking to consolidate to one platform as well to focus on for the next three years or so while I'm in this state. I'm going to stick to 9mm, and pick up multiples of the same gun in hopes of staying focused on training/performance instead of jumping back and forth.

I'm down between the M&P9c and G26. It would serve as daily carry and home defense. I'd carry it AIWB as well, so I'd get the ambi-safety version of the M&P9c. I'm just wondering if I'll kick myself for going down the route of M&P and a safety versus Glock and a Gadget.

Doc has me considering the M&P9c like post #268 here: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?15857-G19-with-RMR06-and-KKM-compensator/page27 or this one from Doug at ATEi http://ateiguns.com/gallery/mp/#gallery/1139/39

P239 all day or a p2000sk lem

[Matthew]

P239 all day or a p2000sk lem

I do have the P2000sk/P30 LEM on my list, but I need to get to a range to try out LEM first.

[TGS]

I've posted this a few times before, and I'm sort of surprised that it hasn't been repeated yet.

Mag Block (http://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/products/magblock-kits/pistols-3.html)

Turn whatever mag you have for whatever gun you want into a 10 round mag. Want to carry a Glock 19, 17, 34 but need reliable 10 round mags? No problem.

If you're living in a ban state and don't have any way to modify the mags prior to running afoul of the law, get creative. Otherwise, this should be especially useful for people travelling to ban states (or municipalities), however, like LEOs only partially covered under LEOSA.

[Kennydale]

They need to restrict Politicians, not magazine capacity ?

[deputyG23]

P239 all day or a p2000sk lem

LGS has two .40 TDA P239s that appear to have low mileage for $429 each. Very tempted. If they were DAK, one of them would have come home.

[MGW]

Can .40 caliber P239 be converted to 9mm? I would like to buy a second 239 for range use but don't want to spend a lot or shoot .40.

[GJM]

If you want something that has standard capacity ten round magazines, a Glock 26 will plain outshoot a P2000 SK or P239, and is easier to user maintain and accessorize. I base this on having multiples of all three. Now that the Gadget will be shipping in June, it is an even better choice. If you value other things over pure shootability, the SK and 239 are high quality, and surely pick of the litter of those size guns.

[Matthew]

If you want something that has standard capacity ten round magazines, a Glock 26 will plain outshoot a P2000 SK or P239, and is easier to user maintain and accessorize. I base this on having multiples of all three. Now that the Gadget will be shipping in June, it is an even better choice. If you value other things over pure shootability, the SK and 239 are high quality, and surely pick of the litter of those size guns.

I really do value easy maintenance and availability of holsters/parts/etc. I'm glossing over the 239 as I don't want to drop the coin to pick up multiples of it. It is a lot easier to do with the G26/M&P9c, and actually can be done with the P2000sk, too. What I value of shootability, in the case of the HK, is the LEM trigger (in theory, I haven't tried it). I think I just need to pick one and run with it.

[Kimura]

I really do value easy maintenance and availability of holsters/parts/etc. I'm glossing over the 239 as I don't want to drop the coin to pick up multiples of it. It is a lot easier to do with the G26/M&P9c, and actually can be done with the P2000sk, too. What I value of shootability, in the case of the HK, is the LEM trigger (in theory, I haven't tried it). I think I just need to pick one and run with it.

What are you shooting now?

[Matthew]

What are you shooting now?

Sig P320 and CZ PCR (which just got rid of today to fund whatever route I decide to go). The Sig P320 will be next once I decide between my final choice.

[chl442]

In 9mm I'd probably stay with my HK P2000s and just use 10 round mags as the 10 rounders I have are reliable . I very much would want to stay in a mid-sized gun. If I needed to scale down in size the P2000sk would be my choice.
For 45acp my solution was the HK45C as it's very similar in size to the P2000.
If I was legally limited to only 10 round mags, I'd carry two spare mags instead of one and carry on.

[Matthew]

I'm in a 10-round restricted state as well, so I'm looking for magazine reliability as well. I'm looking to consolidate to one platform as well to focus on for the next three years or so while I'm in this state. I'm going to stick to 9mm, and pick up multiples of the same gun in hopes of staying focused on training/performance instead of jumping back and forth.

I'm down between the M&P9c and G26. It would serve as daily carry and home defense. I'd carry it AIWB as well, so I'd get the ambi-safety version of the M&P9c. I'm just wondering if I'll kick myself for going down the route of M&P and a safety versus Glock and a Gadget.

Doc has me considering the M&P9c like post #268 here: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?15857-G19-with-RMR06-and-KKM-compensator/page27 or this one from Doug at ATEi http://ateiguns.com/gallery/mp/#gallery/1139/39

I have an opportunity to pick up a lightly used P30 v1 for $700.

I was set on picking up a couple G26s and solely focusing on those two. But, I'm having a hard time passing it up.

The P30 would give me the trigger I'm looking for, hammer for AIWB, and reliable 10 rounds mags. I'm just wary about detail strips. I like that I can do it with Glocks no problem. I don't want to anticipate doing it oftern, but is it doable without an armorer's course?

[newyork]

P2000 vs P30 vs HK45c is a tough as hell choice.

[David S.]

What is the viability of a Glock 19 cut to 26 height?

[Nephrology]

With a 10rd mag limit I'd go to a SIG P239/P225 and never look back.

[BCL]

The P30 would give me the trigger I'm looking for, hammer for AIWB, and reliable 10 rounds mags. I'm just wary about detail strips. I like that I can do it with Glocks no problem. I don't want to anticipate doing it oftern, but is it doable without an armorer's course?

The LEM trigger will make it more difficult, but still doable. The Pro site's reference section has guides on how to do it.

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[Matthew]

What is the viability of a Glock 19 cut to 26 height?
I currently don't have a G19 on hand, so I don't think I want to go that route, unless I found a really cheap used G19.


With a 10rd mag limit I'd go to a SIG P239/P225 and never look back.
I have considered it, but I should be moving out of the state in about 3 years. So, I'm leaning to the P30 now (if I jump on that deal) since I'll be able to use full capacity mags after I leave.

I really think I should just buy that P30, and train. I really like the idea of the LEM trigger, it has reliable 10 rounders, hammer for AIWB, and I'll be able to switch back to full capacity mags when I leave.

I think I'm going to do it, so I can stop worrying about equipment and just train. Now need to find a AIWB holster and extra mags.


The LEM trigger will make it more difficult, but still doable. The Pro site's reference section has guides on how to do it.

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Good deal, I'll check it out. Thanks.

[Digiroc]

Where I live we don't have such arbitrary restrictions and I'm glad of that but if it did become Law I'd just start open carry of my favorite 10mm S&W 3rd gen 1006 or try hiding my just aquired 1026 large frame .

Digiroc

[Irfan]

I feel that it is very possible that the USA will be facing another federal Hi-cap magazines ban in not so distant future... Maybe I am wrong but we might be facing it just after the coming elections. Do you believe it that happens that the 1911 will become even more popular and used as a CCW even more than it is today? In such event would you rather carry a 10 round 92FS, P226 or CZ75 or even a G17/19 (I hope Glock will design a reliable 10 round magazine) over a 1911 in 9mm or .45?

[Larry Sellers]

I feel that it is very possible that the USA will be facing another federal Hi-cap magazines ban in not so distant future... Maybe I am wrong but we might be facing it just after the coming elections. Do you believe it that happens that the 1911 will become even more popular and used as a CCW even more than it is today? In such event would you rather carry a 10 round 92FS, P226 or CZ75 or even a G17/19 (I hope Glock will design a reliable 10 round magazine) over a 1911 in 9mm or .45?

the 1911 especially chambered in 9mm appears to be gaining popularity for its all around uses. I have a glock 19, and I'm in a ban state and I've been using the 10 round magazines exclusively for about a year now with both the stock glock follower and the upgraded ones that I was sent from glock. I have had zero issues with function and slides locking back on empty. That being said, it is a slight bit un nerving when I'm using a neutered magazine in a carry weapon. Although it has functioned fine, it leaves a bit to be desired.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

I can't say about these days, but back in the 90's (the NINETIES MAN) I used a USP .45 full size with 10 round mags, and Federal Hydra-shoks.

Theses days, I'd probably just roll with a 9mm, since the ammunition is just as effective as anything else, but less expensive.

OR, I'd get real old school and roll a Smith 681 and 125 grain magnum rounds. The ballistic effect may be exaggerated, by folklore and bro-science, but that roar that it gives is impressive!


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[Savage Hands]

I've posted this a few times before, and I'm sort of surprised that it hasn't been repeated yet.

Mag Block (http://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/products/magblock-kits/pistols-3.html)

Turn whatever mag you have for whatever gun you want into a 10 round mag. Want to carry a Glock 19, 17, 34 but need reliable 10 round mags? No problem.

If you're living in a ban state and don't have any way to modify the mags prior to running afoul of the law, get creative. Otherwise, this should be especially useful for people travelling to ban states (or municipalities), however, like LEOs only partially covered under LEOSA.

This needs to be repeated, hell even I need to get some blocked 10 round Glock mags for those rare times I'm in a "sanctuary city" instead of switching to my factory 10 round mags which have not given me trouble yet.

[john c]

I've posted this a few times before, and I'm sort of surprised that it hasn't been repeated yet.

Mag Block (http://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/products/magblock-kits/pistols-3.html)

Turn whatever mag you have for whatever gun you want into a 10 round mag. Want to carry a Glock 19, 17, 34 but need reliable 10 round mags? No problem.

If you're living in a ban state and don't have any way to modify the mags prior to running afoul of the law, get creative. Otherwise, this should be especially useful for people travelling to ban states (or municipalities), however, like LEOs only partially covered under LEOSA.

Thanks for this link. Hopefully, this will solve my issue with Glock 10 round mags. Can you point to any links where these have been tested?

[TGS]

Thanks for this link. Hopefully, this will solve my issue with Glock 10 round mags. Can you point to any links where these have been tested?

Other than personally having a bunch for the AR without issue, no.

[Savage Hands]

Thanks for this link. Hopefully, this will solve my issue with Glock 10 round mags. Can you point to any links where these have been tested?

Probably a few hundred sold out of my buddies shop if not more with no known mag related issues .

[Cool Breeze]

Very cool... You pop these in and these make all 10+ mags legal in any of the ban states?

For some reason, and I haven't googled it, but do some states require mags to be permanently modified and is this considered permanent because you have to take the mag apart to change capacity?

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[Savage Hands]

Very cool... You pop these in and these make all 10+ mags legal in any of the ban states?

For some reason, and I haven't googled it, but do some states require mags to be permanently modified and is this considered permanent because you have to take the mag apart to change capacity?

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They need to be epoxied to make them permanent. I believe that site can walk you through it.

[Cool Breeze]

hmm...I'll have to take a look. I wonder what exactly you are epoxying and if the mag is still serviceable (able to be taken apart) for cleaning or fixing afterwards.

[gqllc007]

hmm...I'll have to take a look. I wonder what exactly you are epoxying and if the mag is still serviceable (able to be taken apart) for cleaning or fixing afterwards.

You have to at least epoxy the spring to the baseplate. I had to do this with my AK47 .223 chinese mags. $100-300 a piece mags to be compliant with the safe act

[Savage Hands]

hmm...I'll have to take a look. I wonder what exactly you are epoxying and if the mag is still serviceable (able to be taken apart) for cleaning or fixing afterwards.


IANAL so I'm leaving the interpretation up to you :)
http://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/faq

[45dotACP]

I can't say about these days, but back in the 90's (the NINETIES MAN) I used a USP .45 full size with 10 round mags, and Federal Hydra-shoks.

Theses days, I'd probably just roll with a 9mm, since the ammunition is just as effective as anything else, but less expensive.

OR, I'd get real old school and roll a Smith 681 and 125 grain magnum rounds. The ballistic effect may be exaggerated, by folklore and bro-science, but that roar that it gives is impressive!


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I like the way you think...

I'd probably roll with a 1911 in 9x19 or .38 super (for teh style points) just because I get 10 rounds of the softest shooting handgun excluding perhaps a .22lr and a magazine that carries and conceals well.

I tend to not advocate carrying a .40 or .45 unless you can shoot and manipulate one with the skill level that would approximate a USPSA A to GM class ranking (or some similar test of skill that isn't related to gaming if you are not a fan of gaming). At that point, you probably have the shooting chops to handle most any technical shooting problem you would encounter in a defensive firearm use and in that case the slight difference in bullet performance might be relevant...otherwise, clean up the lower hanging fruits, like accuracy, speed, SHO/WHO shooting and probably more than anything else...the skills to win that aren't related to shooting at all...before considering a more expensive, harder recoiling cartridge.

Just my opinion.

[ScotchMan]

I have heard that the restricted mags aren't as reliable. But I can't vouch for that myself.

I can help here. Glock found that the normal 9mm3 followers could possibly allow you to fit one extra round in the 10 rounders if you really really tried, so they hastily designed a new follower which is awful. The angle of the top round is very steep compared to the 9mm3 follower, which can cause issues. If you want to run a Glock, just replace all your followers with 9mm3 followers, they are cheap. I have never had issues after replacing the followers, and know others with similar stories.

[Bigghoss]

I can help here. Glock found that the normal 9mm3 followers could possibly allow you to fit one extra round in the 10 rounders if you really really tried, so they hastily designed a new follower which is awful. The angle of the top round is very steep compared to the 9mm3 follower, which can cause issues. If you want to run a Glock, just replace all your followers with 9mm3 followers, they are cheap. I have never had issues after replacing the followers, and know others with similar stories.

Good to know. Hopefully I never need this information.

[Larry Sellers]

I can help here. Glock found that the normal 9mm3 followers could possibly allow you to fit one extra round in the 10 rounders if you really really tried, so they hastily designed a new follower which is awful. The angle of the top round is very steep compared to the 9mm3 follower, which can cause issues. If you want to run a Glock, just replace all your followers with 9mm3 followers, they are cheap. I have never had issues after replacing the followers, and know others with similar stories.


This 1000X this! I actually called glock today, as I came into another g4 19 and they are equipped with the excellent 10 rounders with said flat follower. Called up and got some new followers that will actually create some tension on the slide stop lever and hold the slide rearward on an empty mag. That being said, the "standard" capacity 15 round mags have always worked well....

[SteveB]

I can help here. Glock found that the normal 9mm3 followers could possibly allow you to fit one extra round in the 10 rounders if you really really tried, so they hastily designed a new follower which is awful. The angle of the top round is very steep compared to the 9mm3 follower, which can cause issues. If you want to run a Glock, just replace all your followers with 9mm3 followers, they are cheap. I have never had issues after replacing the followers, and know others with similar stories.

This is true, and the G19 mags seem to be more sensitive than the G17's. I was pissed about this, but when I called Glock CS, the guy asked me how many mags I had. I had a lot, so I said 50. He sent me 50 free 9mm3 followers.

[newyork]

Woooow!!!

[navyman8903]

Having escaped from the Socialist Empire of New York State, even with my LEO exemption, I carried an HK45c or HK45 CCW. I never had to worry about neutered mags, but my buddies did. Almost none of them run well. Especially Glock mags. I had a Glock 19 Gen 3 for a while before getting back into Glock with my Gen4 19. My buddy ran his 10 rounders and they sucked. Then ran my 15's and it was 100%.

I suggest running a gun that was designed around a 10 round mag. Like the HK45 or HK45c in 45acp, and the P30sk or G26. There are plenty of others out there, the G30s isn't a bad idea either. 9mm's are fine too, I had 3 or 4 while I was there. But none of them had 10 rounders. I will say, damn the torpedoes, run what you shoot well. You have to depend on it, not us. I too would dump the .40 right away also. Just make sure you find mags that work in your full size 9mms and keep them nice. Have training mags that you beat on, and keep the carry ones nice. Rotate them too. They're finicky creatures.


And whoever it was I saw recommending the 45GAP..... You're dirty, fix yourself. If you're one of those "I don't identify with your binary gender misogyny" types then run a 45GAP. Bleh..

[Dcowboyscr]

I've standardized on the P225A1 for CCW and I'm not even in a restricted state(Florida) so that'd be my answer. Then if you left the state you could switch to a P229 if you wanted. I decided to go with the P225A1 because of how it feels and how well I shoot it. My favorite SIG l/pistol now.

[gqllc007]

Both my G17 and 34 can handle both the 9mm3 follower and the angled one just fine for 10 rounds. Both my G19's need the 9mm3 follower to be 100%