Need help with Weapons evaluation between firearms

[Dismas316]

As the title suggest, I am looking for some suggestions in terms of weapon drills that I can run to evaluate a couple of my edc pistols. I have included a link to what I thought was a pretty good test http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/the-tactical-professors-baseline-evaluation?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActiveResponseTraining+%28Act ive+Response+Training%29

I shot both very well and it's more of a toss up and looking for some ways to run then threw there paces.
I would be open to other drills that you think are good, whether they be speed/accuracy or whatever you might use or recommend. Thanks

[DAB]

you can run the FAST drill (6 shots per run). or Bill Wilson's 5x5 drill (25 rounds per run). both of these are shot at fairly close ranges. for longer shooting, you could run stage 3 of the IDPA classifier (30 rounds at 15 and 20 yards). and if you have time and ammo, the full IDPA classifier. all have documented levels of performance, and you can track your and your pistols performance over time. pretty easy to find or make up score sheets you can put in your range bag.

[HopetonBrown]

FAST
The Test (10 rounds, 10 seconds, 10 yards into a B8 at low ready)
Half Test (10 rounds, 5 seconds, 5 yards into a B8 at low ready)
Super Test (10 rounds, 15 seconds, 15 yards into a B8 at low ready)
5x5 (http://pistol-training.com/drills/5x5-skill-test)
Wizard Drill (http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/ken-hackathorns-wizard-drill)
Dot Torture (http://pistol-training.com/drills/dot-torture)
4567 (http://pistol-training.com/drills/4567-drill)
Defoor Pistol test no.1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJtczDAUul0) & 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcoBHmXHxMk&nohtml5)

[Odin Bravo One]

I guess some of it would depend on how many pistols you are EDCing. Smaller back-up type guns are more difficult to shoot well and require more time and training to achieve even a modest level compared to a full sized pistol. The drills DAB mentions will have drastically different results shot with a J-Frame or M&P Shield than with a Glock 17.

[HopetonBrown]

Don't see any times for that one, so it seems like more pure accuracy like Dot Torture. Timed drills are really where the differences will appear.

As the title suggest, I am looking for some suggestions in terms of weapon drills that I can run to evaluate a couple of my edc pistols. I have included a link to what I thought was a pretty good test http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/the-tactical-professors-baseline-evaluation?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActiveResponseTraining+%28Act ive+Response+Training%29

I shot both very well and it's more of a toss up and looking for some ways to run then threw there paces.
I would be open to other drills that you think are good, whether they be speed/accuracy or whatever you might use or recommend. Thanks

[Nephrology]

For picking between platforms I think that performance (especially if you have equal amounts of experience with both) isn't nearly as important as logistical/financial concerns.

I think most people (barring anatomical mismatches like small hands + berettas) can learn to shoot most platforms pretty reasonably well, the real question is can they afford to get that good. You might shoot 1911s very well but if you don't have the budget for .45ACP + the mechanical inclination to tinker with them and to keep them running properly, it's not going to work in your favor.

On the flip side, if you have tons of money but just find Glocks to be boring and unpleasant to shoot, you probably won't do very much practicing with them. So, I'd look into those more than anything, but if you have them both on hand its worth putting a few boxes through them to see how you feel. If the results aren't dramatically different in one way or another (as I suspect will be the case), go for the less expensive platform with the most aftermarket support and the most options for a variety of different models to fit your needs (i.e. Glock 17 for HD/matches, Glock 19/26 for carry, or something similar). Then buy a few examples of whatever you decide on, and enough mags + holsters + ammo to shoot the piss out of them.

[GAP]

Simple. Score "Master" on Tom Givens' Handgun Core Skills Test.

Here's a run I did in January with a Glock 26. I've since scored even higher (150ish), but wanted to provide you with an example and breakdown of the tasks.

80-100 = Very good, 100-124= Advanced, 125+= Master
Target used IDPA, 5 points -0 zone, 3 points -1 zone, 0 points outside of that

7202

I went the route of buying a few Glocks and as much 9mm ammo I can afford. I'm about 1000x the shooter one year later for focusing on improving with the same pistol and using a shot timer.

Give this a run, I'd be interested to see where you score. GL!

[okie john]

Timed drills are really where the differences will appear.

Yes, but greater familiarity with one platform can skew results. If you time yourself as you shoot a case of ammo through each pistol on the same drills, then you’ll probably find that by the time that the ammo is nearly gone, you shoot both of them about the same.


For picking between platforms I think that performance (especially if you have equal amounts of experience with both) isn't nearly as important as logistical/financial concerns.

This.


Okie John

[Dismas316]

Thanks, good suggestions, this was exactly what I'm looking for.

[DAB]

Two years ago I shot the IDPA classifier for record with a VP9 and scored 130.66 (sharpshooter).

Last year I shot a practice classifier with a 1911, and scored....130.66.

Exactly the same score, two different platforms.

Practice pays off.

[Luke]

http://pistol-training.com/drills

[Dismas316]

http://pistol-training.com/drills

Thanks for the links, familiar with the page but I was looking for some specific drills that I could evaluate between two specific weapons that may help me determine which would be best to carry. I guess it would be fun to run through them all but may have to take out a loan for all the ammo. :)

[camsdaddy]

I can only imagine how much better of a shooter I would be had I simply done similar testing and stuck with a gun and invested in ammo.

[Nephrology]

I can only imagine how much better of a shooter I would be had I simply done similar testing and stuck with a gun and invested in ammo.

The only problem with this is that you start with a glock 19, then you get a glock 26 for summer carry, then you get a glock 17 for HD/competitions, then you decide you like the Gen 4s so you get another glock 19, and another glock 17, and...

[camsdaddy]

Oh crap are you following me? If I can carry a 26 I can carry a 19. If I can carry a 19 aw heck i should buy a 34. Well I shoot the 26 pretty darn good and my back doesnt hurt.

[JAD]

Like GAP I use the Rangemaster Core Handgun Skills Test to evaluate platforms, carry methods, and technique changes. It's comprehensive without being too demanding, and it balances the worth of skill elements like reloads, presentations, and splits very well in my uninformed opinion. The IDPA classifier is OK but has some dumb stuff and is much more time and setup intensive. Shorter tests like the FAST grossly overweight some skills, like the FAST overweights reloads.

If the CHST is a little long my second favorite is the Wilson 5x5. It's splits-heavy, though.

[Nephrology]

Oh crap are you following me? If I can carry a 26 I can carry a 19. If I can carry a 19 aw heck i should buy a 34. Well I shoot the 26 pretty darn good and my back doesnt hurt.

Then you see a Glock 35 for sale and think "what about panic ammo buying?" and then you see another Glock 17 for sale and think "well that's a great price and I already have plenty of mags for it...."

Sometimes I think a crack habit would be cheaper...

[rob_s]

Thanks for the links, familiar with the page but I was looking for some specific drills that I could evaluate between two specific weapons that may help me determine which would be best to carry. I guess it would be fun to run through them all but may have to take out a loan for all the ammo. :)

This was how I read your original post, but many of the responses seem to be something other than this.

I'd use the IDPA Classifier. It's not perfect, and maybe it isn't true gunfighter, but there are several skills tested and you can then compare 1:1 across the two (or more) pistols in question.

[DAB]

Thanks GAP, added to my range book. always looking for different courses of fire.

[HopetonBrown]

Brandon Wright has a downloadable shooting standards test with par times. https://www.wrightshooting.com