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JBP55
04-04-2016, 08:51 PM
General Dynamics is Making Barrels for 9mm M&P.

General Dynamics and Smith & Wesson are deepening their partnership past the impending Modular Handgun System solicitation. Per a Press Release, Smith & Wesson has “awarded” General Dynamic’s Ordnance and Tactical Systems division a multi-year contract “to produce hammer forged, military grade gun barrels.” The release goes further to state that these barrels will be issued in the M&P pistol, which the two companies have submitted for the XM17 Modular Handgun System (MHS) competition.

This is a surprising announcement, but upon deeper analysis, it makes sense. I, and many others, originally postulated that Smith & Wesson opted to use General Dynamics as the prime contractor given its long history of successful contract management. Smith & Wesson, while successful to small department sales, would find itself at a business development disadvantage compared to the other established ordnance companies.

Given the enormous cost pressures on the MHS contract and even within the civilian market, I suspect that General Dynamics is only providing the Cold Hammer Forged blanks as they have the capability for other platforms including .50, 40mm launchers, and larger bore weaponry. Personally, I would doubt that GD is machining the blanks, likely opting to outsource to lower-cost shops.

In the Press Release, both companies are putting on a positive face for the contract through statements from senior managers. From the Press Release:

“With 32 years of experience in producing military grade, hammer forged barrels, General Dynamics brings additional cost-effective manufacturing capability to Smith & Wesson for the Army’s XM17 Modular Handgun System competition,” said Tim McAuliffe, vice president and general manager of medium caliber ammunition and weapons for General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems. “We believe our combined capabilities will provide the Army with the most advantageous MHS solution while expanding our global strategic partnership.”

James Debney, President and CEO, Smith & Wesson, said, “A key initiative within our strategic plan has been the continual development of our flexible manufacturing model through added component outsourcing. That approach has served us well by providing a solid and highly adaptable manufacturing platform for growth. Our contract with General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems represents an enhancement of that initiative and demonstrates the evolution of our partnership. Together, we believe we are well positioned to compete for the Army’s XM17MHS program, for which we recently submitted our proposal.”

RJ
04-04-2016, 08:58 PM
Gah dayum, you are right.

http://www.generaldynamics.com/our-business/combat-systems/ordnance-and-tactical-systems

Yeah, if these are the guys involved in the Abrams, they are a no kidding gun maker. I would surmise GD understands and has solved the early and inconsistent unlocking of the M&P? :cool:

If so, they need to introduce a Gen 2 M&P with that barrel, pdq. Bit late to be a Glock killa, but it might put S&W on par with Sig P320, HK VP9 and the Walther PPQ. Shame for the boys in Mass the MHS might get canceled...

Luke
04-04-2016, 10:35 PM
Bro, this is so two months ago...

JDM
04-04-2016, 10:45 PM
Bro, this is so two months ago...

Bro, I'm glad he posted it. I don't remember seeing it, and I found it interesting.

JBP55
04-04-2016, 11:13 PM
Bro, this is so two months ago...

Them working together is old news but I do not recall an article about General Dynamics actually making the M&P barrel for S&W.

Drew78
04-04-2016, 11:25 PM
So... are they making the m&p bbls now for regular guy sales?

GJM
04-04-2016, 11:27 PM
Them working together is old news but I do not recall an article about General Dynamics actually making the M&P barrel for S&W.



https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?17101-New-Army-Handgun-Solicitation/page33&highlight=General+dynamics


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CCT125US
04-04-2016, 11:40 PM
Ahhh, outsourcing. Building shit cheaper, elsewhere and charging more.

HCM
04-05-2016, 12:16 AM
I wonder if GD will make CHF barrels for S&W ARs ?

JBP55
04-05-2016, 08:32 AM
When you are in your Seventies you May forget things so a Moderator can close this thread.

RJ
04-05-2016, 08:37 AM
When you are in your Seventies you May forget things so a Moderator can close this thread.

Da gone kids and their memories.

Hey!! Get off my lawn!

Mr_White
04-05-2016, 01:19 PM
Da gone kids and their memories.

Hey!! Get off my lawn!

What lawn? Don't you remember you went for the yard made of rocks so you don't have to mow it? That is not an ageist comment - I would make the same choice no matter how mature or immature I may be.

orionz06
04-05-2016, 01:43 PM
Does this mean anything if the issue isn't necessarily the barrel?


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RJ
04-05-2016, 04:21 PM
What lawn? Don't you remember you went for the yard made of rocks so you don't have to mow it? That is not an ageist comment - I would make the same choice no matter how mature or immature I may be.

"The lawn came with the house my wife wanted to buy." If you are married, you will get this. :cool:

Actually, I tell a lie.

When we go married, I told her, I would make all the big decisions, and she could make all the small ones.

What is odd, after all these years, no big decisions have come up... :)

RJ
04-05-2016, 04:24 PM
Does this mean anything if the issue isn't necessarily the barrel?


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I guess it will come out in the objective accuracy tests. This oft quoted 2" group at 50 yards or whatever would be mighty hard to achieve with a set of random M&P FS9s, it seems.

Somebody much smarter than me (Randy Lee) had a good description of the issue recently; I'll go see if I can dig that up.