I guess I will start it. TP9SF

[LookMomNoLegs]

Hey guys I'm new here and I just purchased my first handgun (Though I have been shooting for many years and I have already bought my wife a SCCY). I have had my eye on the Canik TP9 series of handguns for years, but all of the uproar about the decocker had me hesitant. Now that they came out with one without the decocker, I basically looked at it as an affordable glock and jumped on the TP9SF. I have watched every video there is on youtube about these guns, and every review (Though the YankeeMarshall seemed rather biased) and I pretty much know the gun inside and out. My question for you is do you know if there are any after-market parts for these guns yet, or will there ever be any. I wanted a glock because of the customizationability (is that even a word?) but I didn't want to be throwing thousands of dollars at Glock for them. I love this TP9SF but I would like the option to change it so that mine isn't like every other one out there. Also, what do you guys think about the fingernail polish mods? Is that considered tacky? Or is it a good way to make a cheap gun look different.

Opinions are greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Nate

[Kyle Reese]

Paging Tam. Tam to the lobby, please.

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[BehindBlueI's]

What do you want to do with the gun? Is this for range fun, self defense, a piece of jewelry, or what? Also, if you wanted a Glock you should have bought a Glock. Settling generally just equates to spending more money down the line as you end up buying what you actually wanted and losing money on the first purchase. It's possible to put thousands of dollars in a Glock, but you've got to try pretty damned hard.

[NETim]

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2016/04/finished.html

[LookMomNoLegs]

Just general customization I guess. . .maybe a nicer slide, threaded barrel, etc. I will eventually get a Glock, this won't be my only gun I just have to save up the funding for it and find a better job than seasonal tax professional. I work making someone else $40-60k in 4 months and I see about 10% of that but that's another story for another day. I was just looking at how with Glock you've got base plate covers, back covers, custom grips, custom triggers, etc etc etc and for the Canik there doesn't seem to be much of a market right now. Even a good holster for CC is hard to find, and with me being in a wheelchair I plan to use a shoulder holster under the shirt or one tucked into the back of my pants, so I'm steadily searching for a better alternative. . .I research things WAY too much. I've had my CCW Permit for 3yrs and just now bought my first hand gun if that tells u anything. . .thanks for the responses.

[Beat Trash]

Just general customization I guess. . .maybe a nicer slide, threaded barrel, etc. I will eventually get a Glock, this won't be my only gun I just have to save up the funding for it and find a better job than seasonal tax professional. I work making someone else $40-60k in 4 months and I see about 10% of that but that's another story for another day. I was just looking at how with Glock you've got base plate covers, back covers, custom grips, custom triggers, etc etc etc and for the Canik there doesn't seem to be much of a market right now. Even a good holster for CC is hard to find, and with me being in a wheelchair I plan to use a shoulder holster under the shirt or one tucked into the back of my pants, so I'm steadily searching for a better alternative. . .I research things WAY too much. I've had my CCW Permit for 3yrs and just now bought my first hand gun if that tells u anything. . .thanks for the responses.

Yes there are aftermarket parts for the Glock. Actually you can find an aftermarket part for just about every part of a Glock. But do you need these parts? Holsters for a Glock is stupid easy to find.

When you get into a new design that is made overseas from a manufacture that is not as established in the American market like GLock, Sig and HK, then you will have issues finding things like holsters, parts, and aftermarket sights.

Since you already own this pistol, I would try to make the best of the situation and see what can be found as far as holsters. Since you also like to research things, would strongly suggest you do some reading on the Glocks and the Sig 320 series, and maybe even the HK VP9 series. These are all similar as far as price.

The TP9Sf appears to be a decent gun for the money. But you must keep in mind that part of the trade off for purchasing a cheaper design is going to be a lack of support as it relates to parts, sights and holsters.

[Nephrology]

Wasn't there a post in the romper room by an LEO who responded to a self induced GSW that was caused by a guy who dropped his Canik on the deck slide first?

[HCM]

Wasn't there a post in the romper room by an LEO who responded to a self induced GSW that was caused by a guy who dropped his Canik on the deck slide first?

Yes - this one

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19776-ND-or-AD

[LorenzoS]

.... I've had my CCW Permit for 3yrs and just now bought my first hand gun if that tells u anything. . .If this is your first handgun and you are new to CCW, then the last thing you should be thinking about is base plate covers and custom grips. I think you'd probably be better served with a stock Glock 19 than the Canick, but in either case I'd urge you to just stop worrying about the gun and focus on getting instruction from a reputable trainer.

There are a number of very knowledgeable SME's here on pf.com and if you post some questions about training in your local area I am sure you'll get some very helpful advise. You mentioned being in a wheelchair, so it's even more important to work with a good trainer rather than Bubba's Tactical Academy.

[BehindBlueI's]

Just general customization I guess. . .maybe a nicer slide, threaded barrel, etc. I will eventually get a Glock, this won't be my only gun I just have to save up the funding for it and find a better job than seasonal tax professional. I work making someone else $40-60k in 4 months and I see about 10% of that but that's another story for another day. I was just looking at how with Glock you've got base plate covers, back covers, custom grips, custom triggers, etc etc etc and for the Canik there doesn't seem to be much of a market right now. Even a good holster for CC is hard to find, and with me being in a wheelchair I plan to use a shoulder holster under the shirt or one tucked into the back of my pants, so I'm steadily searching for a better alternative. . .I research things WAY too much. I've had my CCW Permit for 3yrs and just now bought my first hand gun if that tells u anything. . .thanks for the responses.

You are treating it like a piece of jewelry. If that's what it's for, knock yourself out with whatever gadgets and geegaws grab your eye. If, on the other hand, its a cc to save your life then customization to stand out and cosmetic concerns are irrelevant. Seek training, learn what matters.

[HCM]

To the original poster :

When you say fingernail polish mods, what do you mean ?

Around here that usually would mean painting your front sight to make it more visible when shooting.

If you are talking about color filling the markings on your slide - that's not really a thing around here. This forum is oriented towards training with your pistol and improving shooting skills.

The standard advice for new shooters here is to buy a case of ammo and take a local basic pistol class - something beyond you states minimum ccw class. Even if you have shot or hunted with long guns pistols are different and you are a new pistol shooter.

Everyone has a budget - buying ammo by the case on line is signifigaly cheaper than buying by the box in big box stores. SGAmmo is my go to for ammo purchases.

[LookMomNoLegs]

Lol I think I may have come off a little sideways on this post so let me try to re-word it and try to regain some of my manliness. I have been around guns (and handguns) my whole life. I grew up in the country never going anywhere without a gun either in the vehicle or the tackle box. I shoot numerous handguns frequently, and am serious about training. I've even shot in a few local club "competitions". The reason I waited so long to buy my first handgun is BC of my wife and child. She was always against handguns because she saw her step dad shot right in front of her by her grandma (he was abusive). We have been working for the past 4 yrs to get her more comfortable so we have done several " training classes" before I even got her a handgun. Now it's my turn and I picked the Canik tp9sf not only because of the cheap price but because of its dependability and reviews. Why pay glock price when u can get glock quality right here? I just figured this forum would be a good place to ask about accessories/etc. I like being different, so im often looking for things that just don't match what everyone else has. This gun is going to be for personal protection as well as home protection and a range gun. I know I need a smaller gun for every day concealed (been looking at the bodyguard or the shield) but I was feeling things out to also see if anyone has found other parts for these as well as holsters that work with it because those are things that I'm not as familiar with. I plan to also go to my local range which is also owned by the Tilley's and maybe even see if I can get some 1 on 1 instructions with Chris and see if we can even come up with something to help people in chairs conceal their firearms better BC we all know it's hard to really conceal a full size 9mm while sitting down. I appreciate all of the responses and will take the advice given, but also plz let me know if anyone finds things that work or dont work with their Canik firearms.

[jh9]

if anyone has found other parts for these as well as holsters that work with it ...but also plz let me know if anyone finds things that work or dont work with their Canik firearms.

Parts? You're probably not going to find much. The Turkish imports don't have much in the way of FACTORY support, let alone aftermarket support. When Armalite was importing their CZ clones as the AR-24 another shooter I know spoke with the people at Armalite and couldn't even get the dimensions on the sight dovetails. Getting actual parts was right out. Much like with EAA: the quality of the pistol itself isn't relevant, you're just not going to find much that fits it. They're copies of common designs with significant deviation in the parts themselves. Original CZ/walther/etc parts usually don't fit, and the factory was basically done with you once you bought the gun.

The gun it's loosely(?) based on (Walther P99) never set the domestic market on fire so there's not much to start with. The Canik CZ clones at least have some sights/grips/action parts available at cajun gun works. The polymer TP9 series not so much. Unless this actually uses Walther P99 parts, you're stuck with what came out of the box.

Holsters? Check ebay for smaller kydex shops.

Someone else posted an in-depth 2k review on the first page of this thread. Other than that there's not much left but to buy ammo and actually shoot it.

[Default.mp3]

I have watched every video there is on youtube about these guns, and every review (Though the YankeeMarshall seemed rather biased) and I pretty much know the gun inside and out.IMO, watching YouTube videos and reading mainstream reviews to learn about the quality of a handgun is like watching pornography to learn about love.


Lol I think I may have come off a little sideways on this post so let me try to re-word it and try to regain some of my manliness. I have been around guns (and handguns) my whole life. I grew up in the country never going anywhere without a gun either in the vehicle or the tackle box. I shoot numerous handguns frequently, and am serious about training. I've even shot in a few local club "competitions". The reason I waited so long to buy my first handgun is BC of my wife and child. She was always against handguns because she saw her step dad shot right in front of her by her grandma (he was abusive). We have been working for the past 4 yrs to get her more comfortable so we have done several " training classes" before I even got her a handgun. Now it's my turn and I picked the Canik tp9sf not only because of the cheap price but because of its dependability and reviews. Why pay glock price when u can get glock quality right here? I just figured this forum would be a good place to ask about accessories/etc. I like being different, so im often looking for things that just don't match what everyone else has. This gun is going to be for personal protection as well as home protection and a range gun. I know I need a smaller gun for every day concealed (been looking at the bodyguard or the shield) but I was feeling things out to also see if anyone has found other parts for these as well as holsters that work with it because those are things that I'm not as familiar with. I plan to also go to my local range which is also owned by the Tilley's and maybe even see if I can get some 1 on 1 instructions with Chris and see if we can even come up with something to help people in chairs conceal their firearms better BC we all know it's hard to really conceal a full size 9mm while sitting down. I appreciate all of the responses and will take the advice given, but also plz let me know if anyone finds things that work or dont work with their Canik firearms.I will be brutally blunt. You've made several comments in this post that are usually a source of headshaking. One of the running jokes here is observing people who have grown up with a great deal of exposure to firearms, but no formal instruction, yet insist that they are competent at shooting, despite their groupings being less than satisfactory. You've also made the very bold claim that the Canik has as much dependability as the Glock, which is very difficult to believe, simply given the relative lack of data on the Canik series, as there have been no major contracts that have involved the Canik, nor has there been any widespread consumer adoption of the Canik; this isn't to say that it isn't as dependable as a Glock, but that there simply isn't enough data to make such a claim. Lastly, while a Bodyguard or Shield would be much easier to conceal carry something like the Canik, it's hardly a "need"; many members here consistently conceal carry full-sized handguns with great success with normal summertime attire (i.e., t-shirt and shorts); as a quick anecdote, I conceal carry a full-size gun (H&K P30LS) with a weapon mounted light, and do it in fitted t-shirts and jeans, and have driven 18 hours in such a setup without much issue.

As previously noted, much of the aftermarket widgets you've mentioned you're interested in are not very functional, and can in fact decrease reliability. The fact that you've been unable to locate any for the Canik is probably simply because there isn't any such aftermarket items, short of small custom runs that serious enthusiasts commission. The Glock is arguably an outlier in terms of its aftermarket support; nothing else comes close in the pistol world with the exception of the 1911. The easiest and most obvious way of standing out would most likely be simply refinishing it, a cool Cerakote pattern or whatever, although that can be relatively pricey. In terms of holster selection, be aware that it is a deeply personal choice; what might work splendidly for one person, may be an unmitigated disaster for another. You may have to try several different holsters before you will find one that works adequately.

If you're on Facebook and serious about conceal carry, I suggest reaching out to Paul Gardner (https://www.facebook.com/paul.gardner.10), he might have some useful advice. He's a paraplegic Marine that uses a wheelchair, relatively active in the training community, and conceal carries a Glock 19 or Glock 17 (don't remember which).

[john c]

Why pay glock price when u can get glock quality right here?

I don't own a Canik, but am considering buying one to check it out. I've heard they're good guns, and you're right, they are cheap. HOWEVER, the gun world is a long way from determining the Canik is Glock quality. It's not fully vetted. On duty, I carry a Glock that's been thoroughly tested to make sure it's up to the task.

Also, for what you want out of the gun, it is unlikely that the Canik will ever develop the ecosystem that has evolved around Glock over the last 30 years.

Since you want to customize the gun, I recommend buying a used Glock 19. You can customize it to your heart's content, and it will (likely) work the way you want it to.

[LookMomNoLegs]

Thank y'all for the replies. I'm definitely serious about guns and gun control and safety. As most Americans under the age of 50 do, I get alot of my info and advice from the people on the other side of the YouTube cameras. I've def been looking into the glock 19 and 17. Thanks for the info

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[HCM]

Big plus one on getting in touch with Paul Gardner. He has done very good work on shooting solutions from wheelchairs.

He is an assistant instructor with Jeff Gonzales at Trident concepts. Paul also has a YouTube channel with good info:

https://m.youtube.com/user/RetreatHell

Regarding the price / gun quality thing. As duty quality guns go Glock is not particularly expensive and you really do get what you pay for. Many of us here bought Taurus 92's and 99's back in the day because the gun magazines assured us that it was Beretta quality at half the price. Suffice to say that was not the case. Different handguns are not always bad but the founder of pistol form, Todd Louis Green have a saying "uncommon guns are uncommon for reason " I have found this to be A very astute observation.

If you are a disabled vet, medically retired from the military you qualify for Glock's blue label pricing program. Under the law-enforcement military pricing a 9 mm Glock should be approximately $400, A bit more if you want the factory night sites.

[Gary1911A1]

Sounds like money is the main issue. I'd start searching for a used Glock 19. Even if cost a little more than a new Canik you'll save more in the long run in magazines, holsters and other parts.

[HCM]

Re: Cost issues: Canik mags are $25-30 each where as Glock factory mags are about $22 of you shop around and $12-15 for the magpul Glock mags.

Check Aimsurplus or Lawmans Supply in NC for used Glock 9mm's.

When money is an issue, you cant afford to waste it. Buy once, cry once.

[Jim Watson]

I saw and handled but did not shoot one today.
The owner really likes them, the SF is his third.
It was not as sensuous in the hand as a Walther PPQ but the trigger was as good... based on one sample of each. Better than stock Glock or S&W.

He said the magazines were by Mec Gar and of good quality.
He pointed out that front sights are now in cross dovetails but did not state the size.

He was carrying it in a Glock 21 holster which he says it fits well.

What more do you need? Unless it breaks.

[Joe in PNG]

Regarding the price / gun quality thing. As duty quality guns go Glock is not particularly expensive and you really do get what you pay for. Many of us here bought Taurus 92's and 99's back in the day because the gun magazines assured us that it was Beretta quality at half the price. Suffice to say that was not the case. Different handguns are not always bad but the founder of pistol form, Todd Lewis Green have a saying "uncommon guns are uncommon for reason " I have found this to be A very astute observation.
.

The funny thing is, unusual or cheap guns will cost you a lot more money in the long run than just buying a Glock 19.

[HCM]

I saw and handled but did not shoot one today.
The owner really likes them, the SF is his third.
It was not as sensuous in the hand as a Walther PPQ but the trigger was as good... based on one sample of each. Better than stock Glock or S&W.

He said the magazines were by Mec Gar and of good quality.
He pointed out that front sights are now in cross dovetails but did not state the size.

He was carrying it in a Glock 21 holster which he says it fits well.

What more do you need? Unless it breaks.

It needs to run reliably. The sample Tam reviewed for her blog had 26 malfunctions in 2k rounds. Nothing broke but 26/2000 is not a great reliability record for a piece of life saving gear.

[Lester Polfus]

I'll say it again:

I can't afford guns that cheap.

[LookMomNoLegs]

I hear y'all and trust me I'm taking in what ur saying. I'm always learning and always listening. I appreciate u all taking ur time to give me input and as I shoot it more I will post pics and my personal feelings about the gun since it's new to the market. I like the feel of it in my hands and I know I made a good choice, but a glock is def in the near future. I will try a glock 21 holster and see if it fits me well.

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[Jim Watson]

It needs to run reliably. The sample Tam reviewed for her blog had 26 malfunctions in 2k rounds. Nothing broke but 26/2000 is not a great reliability record for a piece of life saving gear.

I'll have to ask Sam how his are for reliability.
I know I would not have bought my third of anything that started out that bad.

[HCM]

I'll have to ask Sam how his are for reliability.
I know I would not have bought my third of anything that started out that bad.

I've seen good reviews of the TP9 but you can affect the results of a test via the quality and pressure level of ammo you choose. For example, the SIG 320 has done well in LE tests with premium duty ammo but many SIG P320's, including my own 320C have issues with cheaper range ammo.

[Clay]

Regarding the Canik's - we sell a ton of them at the range where I work on the weekends. I've bought two and later sold them to friends. I fired around 500 rounds of Blazer Brass and an unknown amount of Wolf steel through my first one without a malfunction. I did clean and lube it two or three times. They have very good triggers in all the one's I've seen, excellent really. The lack of factory service, parts, and accessories is it's biggest downfall, IMO. I've seen two people that had problems running them due to limp wristing, my wife being one of them. She has never had a problem running Glocks or S&W Shields, or anything else that I can recall. She really has to watch her grip with them. Other than that, they run with any ammo we sell, or people bring in, including steel cased stuff. We had a range rental that we put over 7,000 rounds through (IIRC) without a problem. The owner uses it in IDPA competition now, and I have no idea what the round count is currently. If it had a problem, I never saw it or heard about it. I make a point to ask everyone that brings them in how the gun is running and if they're happy with it. No complaints so far. Take it for what it's worth.

We sell them for $374. I'd pick a Glock before anything else on the market, all day long, but some people don't want a Glock, for whatever reason. Most Glock's sell for around $500-$600 around here. Up front cost is probably the biggest reason people buy Canik's, or Ruger semiautos, for that matter. A guy came in last weekend with a new Ruger American 9mm that he just paid $550 plus tax for - I almost fainted. Someone ate his lunch on that thing. He let me try it out and it certainly seems to have less perceived recoil than a Glock, but I damn sure wouldn't buy one and beta test it for Ruger.

To the OP - If you are really serious, and want a serious tool for self defense, buy a Glock 19 and/or a Glock 26 and lots of ammo, mags, and holsters. And maybe a few spare parts. And more ammo. While you can.

[HCM]

Yes - this one

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19776-ND-or-AD

So Mr. White posted a link from Moderno in the ND or AD thread. Apparently the TP9 SA they recently received for testing is not drop safe because the trigger can be pulled without depressing the trigger safety. See Post # 35.

As Tom Jones has explained elsewhere, the tabbed safety on the trigger of most striker fired pistols is there primarily as part of the drop safety system, preventing movement of the trigger / trigger bar via inertia if dropped.

http://monderno.com/monderno/canik-tp9-sa-safety-concern/

[RevolverRob]

A quick look at Aim Surplus's home page reveals:

Israeli-surplus Browning Hi-Power MKIIs for $439.99
New HK VP40s for $575

A quick look at CDNN shows me 10-different used Sig Sauer P226/P229 models in .40 for sale in price ranging $449-$500. New VP9s for $579.

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If one needed an inexpensive gun...I just can't fathom why you wouldn't buy used or if you absolutely had to have new why you wouldn't buy a Kahr CW9 and call it a day. All day long you can buy a CW9 for $375. I can guarantee you it will be better than a Canik, both in terms of reliability and accuracy.

-Rob

[HCM]

The only issue that was encountered in the two days on the range sent a very real chill down my spine just after it was encountered. After a demonstration in front of the students and once the TP9SA was safely back in the holster, I made a slight adjustment to the holster on my Ares Gear Aegis belt when my Sordin electronic ear protection picked up the slightest, “click.” I knew just what had happened.

While making the adjustment to my holster, I had accidentally bumped the decock button on top of the TP9SA, rendering it a dead gun. A quick attempt to engage a target proved that had I needed the gun to fire, immediate action would have been my only friend in a bad situation.

http://monderno.com/gun-reviews/canik-tp9sa/

[olstyn]

Somebody on the walther forum pointed out that there's a vendor offering the P99 AS on gunbroker for just over $400 these days. That says to me that there's really no need to buy the cheap off-brand copy now, even if you are on a budget. The price difference is only $50.

[BehindBlueI's]

I like being different, so im often looking for things that just don't match what everyone else has.

That seems to be the main concern for you. You are still treating it like jewelry, a fashion accessory to show how unique you are.

There's a place for that. The concept of BBQ guns/court guns, whatever that are meant to be open carried and are for show as much as performance. That's fine, but it's for down the road when you have your defensive gun, a backup for if that one goes down or is put in the evidence room after a shoot, have some quality training under your belt, a plethora of spare magazines and ammunition, etc. If it's for routine CC carry to save your own ass, who cares if it looks different than other people's Caniks? Are you going to be showing it off at the Canik Convention? You want to take a pistol that's a bit off the beaten path, dump money into it to make it "different" to the point you could have bought the Glock you said you wanted. You need to figure out what your priorities are and then put your resources toward those things.

So I'll say again, if you want a piece of jewelry throw whatever geegaw on it catches your eye. If you are serious about self defense, there's better things to spend your money on.

[Luke]

Now THAT is a post that deserves a sticky!

[Joe in PNG]

There is no, none, nothing, nada, not one advantage to having a Special Snowflake, one of a kind, different from the rest gun.
That is extra true if you don't have a lot of money to spend.

Many here have chased the obscure, the unusual, and the plain weird, only to wind up with the tried, tested, and proven in the end.

[olstyn]

There is no, none, nothing, nada, not one advantage to having a Special Snowflake, one of a kind, different from the rest gun.
That is extra true if you don't have a lot of money to spend.

I agree that there is no value in difference purely for the sake of difference, and that really seems to be the OP's issue, but if the ergonomics of the mainstream choice don't work for you, then there's value in trying other things. Glocks feel like bricks to me, and I found that I *really* like paddle mag releases, so it was HK or Walther for me, and at the time, in my evaluation at least, HK didn't seem to offer features that justified the fact that their guns all cost 1.5x as much as the Walthers, so price made the decision. Glock is not the only valid choice.

[Clay]

Brand new SD9VEs are easily found for under $300 and are my recommendation for folks on a budget.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=550912957

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=550947317

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=549462817

Academy has them for $299 right now. This is the pistol I recommend to first-time gun buyers that aren't quite dedicated yet to the concept of armed defense, but still want to buy their own gun instead of using a rental. The one I had was great, and I routinely see them at the range, and never have to fix them, which says a lot. S&W has good service (they sent me two free recoil springs, just because I asked if I could buy them), and you can get holsters from K Rounds, among others. The only downside is the price of magazines. Oh, and I like the trigger as is, without the goofy Apex parts. Just me.

[Beat Trash]

The SD9VE is also about the size of a Glock 19. I really wish S&W would have made a variant of the M&P that had exterior dimensions of the SD9.

If I talk to someone who is on a very tight budget and wants a new gun for actual defensive usage and not just a recreational toy, the SD9VE is on my short list. Defiantly easier to get parts, sights and holsters for.

But if the person can save up a few dollars more, then a Glock 19/17, a Sig 320 or even a VP9 are also viable options. I'd even consider a M&P9, which if you look for a sale, you can find them for close to the individual officer pricing from a few on line venders.

[Tamara]

Regarding the Canik's - we sell a ton of them at the range where I work on the weekends. I've bought two and later sold them to friends. I fired around 500 rounds of Blazer Brass and an unknown amount of Wolf steel through my first one without a malfunction. I did clean and lube it two or three times. They have very good triggers in all the one's I've seen, excellent really. The lack of factory service, parts, and accessories is it's biggest downfall, IMO. I've seen two people that had problems running them due to limp wristing, my wife being one of them. She has never had a problem running Glocks or S&W Shields, or anything else that I can recall. She really has to watch her grip with them.

Most East Bloc steel case stuff is actually fairly zippy.

The TP9v2 I just finished shooting went through a thousand rounds of American Eagle 115gr FMJ (averaged 1128fps for the ten-round string I measured) and 160 rounds of Blazer Brass 115gr (averaged 1090fps*). That Blazer Brass was exceptionally weak tea and I bet I could make the gun choke on command with it. Similarly, the AE 115gr wasn't super hot, and I'd imagine a loose enough grip could induce an FTE every mag or two, but with a two-handed grip it ran fine, with only one FTE over the course of a thousand rounds.

Now, the 150 rounds of Federal 9BPLE 115gr +P+ JHP went by without a hitch; the farther the gun threw the brass, the more reliable its functioning seemed to be.

I'll stand by my conclusion:


There is the data. I leave it to you to draw the conclusion as to whether you want to spend your own dosh on this gun like I did. I personally would not carry this sample unless I absolutely had to, and then I'd fill it with Federal 9BPLE, since that seems to function the gun with satisfactory vigor. (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2016/04/canik-tp9v2-teardown-and-wrap-up.html)
A gun that limp-wrists that easily is running too near the ragged edge of reliability for my taste. I have no assurance that, should I need to use it in a defensive situation, I'll have a rock-steady two-hand grip.

(*That same lot of 115gr Blazer Brass, BTW, reliably functioned my Gen3 19, Gen2 17, and Gen4 35 with the conversion barrel, despite a weak one-hand hold attempting to induce misfires.)

[Tamara]

Somebody on the walther forum pointed out that there's a vendor offering the P99 AS on gunbroker for just over $400 these days. That says to me that there's really no need to buy the cheap off-brand copy now, even if you are on a budget. The price difference is only $50.

The main reason I bought mine was that I hadn't stumbled onto a good deal on a used P99 when I had cash and I was hoping to put some miles on the striker-fired DA/SA because I had fond memories of the one my roommate had back fifteen years ago.

The Canik came along and I thought "What the heck?" In retrospect, I should have held out for the used Walther rather than blowing the money on the Turkish dumpster fire.

[Drang]

Write it up for publication, call it research. Tax deduction!

[olstyn]

The main reason I bought mine was that I hadn't stumbled onto a good deal on a used P99 when I had cash and I was hoping to put some miles on the striker-fired DA/SA because I had fond memories of the one my roommate had back fifteen years ago.

The Canik came along and I thought "What the heck?" In retrospect, I should have held out for the used Walther rather than blowing the money on the Turkish dumpster fire.

Yeah, there never seem to be all that many used P99s for sale; most of the owners seem to like them too much to let them go. The NIB Gunbroker pricing I mentioned is a recent phenomenon which has me wishing I could justify spending the money right now, as I've been wishing for a full size to complement my compact for a long time.

If you're ever in the Twin Cities area and you still want to scratch that itch, you're welcome to run as much 9mm through my P99c as you can carry to the range. At this point, it's a bit cosmetically ragged, especially in the magwell area (too many high-speed mag changes, I suppose), but I've yet to find a load it won't cycle properly.

[Lex Luthier]

Yeah, there never seem to be all that many used P99s for sale; most of the owners seem to like them too much to let them go. The NIB Gunbroker pricing I mentioned is a recent phenomenon which has me wishing I could justify spending the money right now, as I've been wishing for a full size to complement my compact for a long time.

If you're ever in the Twin Cities area and you still want to scratch that itch, you're welcome to run as much 9mm through my P99c as you can carry to the range. At this point, it's a bit cosmetically ragged, especially in the magwell area (too many high-speed mag changes, I suppose), but I've yet to find a load it won't cycle properly.

I am going to be taking possession of a 1st Gen P99QA in .40 soon - it belongs to a friend who has had it as a carry piece since 2004 or so. My intent is to use it for the same purpose. The pistol is very well maintained and doesn't have a huge round count- under 5k, I think.
One could question the wisdom of getting what is now somewhat of a niche gun, but the posts here are reassuring me. I will admit I am curious about the Canik, but would be worried about having to fabricate replacements for anything that broke. I wonder if any Walther parts are compatible, not that those are easy to come by...

Lex

[ffhounddog]

I saw a P99 in 9mm first gen I wanted but then I start thinking where to find mags.

I like my P99 in 40 first gen I had two, one in OD green. I really want it but its a want.

I would not buy a TP9 when I can find a FNS or FNP for the same price point.

[Little Creek]

I hear y'all and trust me I'm taking in what ur saying. I'm always learning and always listening. I appreciate u all taking ur time to give me input and as I shoot it more I will post pics and my personal feelings about the gun since it's new to the market. I like the feel of it in my hands and I know I made a good choice, but a glock is def in the near future. I will try a glock 21 holster and see if it fits me well.

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Just a suggestion. Take it to the LGS, trade it in on a Glock G17, G19, or G43, put in a "-" or Ghost Edge (for the G43) connector and change the sights if you feel the need (I did). Spend the rest of your money on ammo, magazines, and a good concealable holster with magazine pouch. I rest my case.

[LookMomNoLegs]

OK so I went out Monday to the range and shot the TP9SF and I have to say it's amazing for use. Shoots on point, didn't have any failures out if the hundred or so rounds I shot, and even the local gun guys asked if they could shoot it and loved it too. The trigger is super, and it doesn't kick much. Now, my wife has the SCCY 9mm and hates it so it will be getting sold or traded (gun shop offered $115 trade in value so no. . .) and she will be getting the glock 19 or another Canik. She loved it too and was on point every shot. I would post pics of the target but we shot it with both guns so I don't want to confuse anyone. The SCCY has a very hard trigger pull and isn't accurate at all, and jams about every other magazine. The Canik however got an A+ in my book even if there aren't any good mods for it.

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[HopetonBrown]

100 rounds gets an A+? That's Montessori school grading.

[Luke]

100 rounds gets an A+? That's Montessori school grading.

He's new man. Let's just be happy he found this place. Now we try to slowly take over his whole thought process and turn him into the proper gun owner he was designed to be.

[Tamara]

The SCCY has a very hard trigger pull and isn't accurate at all...

I'll bet it'll put several magazines through a ragged 2"-3" hole at seven yards. ;)

https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/tag/sccy/

[Luke]

I'll bet it'll put several magazines through a ragged 2"-3" hole at seven yards. ;)

https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/tag/sccy/

I stopped reading after reading of a proud 11 second el prez..

[HopetonBrown]

I stopped reading after reading of a proud 11 second el prez..
I like Claude Werner.

[Tamara]

I stopped reading after reading of a proud 11 second el prez..

You have no clue who Claude is, do you?

[BehindBlueI's]

The SCCY feels like a dart gun. Any gun that goes "spro-oi-oi-oing" when you dry fire it probably isn't a quality firearm.

For the sub $250 market, Bersa .380 is a good choice. It's almost a Walther PPK clone, but due to differences in the trigger guard will not fit PPK holsters. If at all possible, I'd suggest ponying up the extra to get a Shield, though.

[Tamara]

The SCCY feels like a dart gun. Any gun that goes "spro-oi-oi-oing" when you dry fire it probably isn't a quality firearm.

Nobody's saying it is, although Claude's certainly seems to be exceeding my (admittedly low) expectations.

I'll note that anybody who's limpwristing a SCCY will probably find the Shield to have the same problem.

[Luke]

You have no clue who Claude is, do you?

Had no idea that was his article. I assumed you were making fun of it by using a 3" ragged hole at 7 yards as a show of good accuracy. I tried to read it but stopped. Sorry I made fun of him. But his el prez still sucks lol

[LookMomNoLegs]

Y'all are some critics in here. . .it's like everything I say doesn't meet up to your standards. Someone donate me 1000 rounds of 9mm ammo and I will go shoot all day, but dang the SCCY hung up on every magazine in the first 100 not limp wristing, the Canik did it's job and I feel confident so yes IN MY BOOK it gets a A+.

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[HopetonBrown]

But his el prez still sucks lol

It's a small, crappy gun.

[HCM]

It's a small, crappy gun.

Yup.

http://www.guns.com/2016/03/29/sccy-pulls-theft-warranty-uses-batfe-stats-as-reason/

[Luke]

Welcome to the Internet?


But in all seriousness. This is like the most serious hardcore, real life, face shooting, been there done that forum out there. I'm way out of place myself. But you have to understand where we are coming from. We all take shooting very seriously and gear aswell. The brands you've mentioned aren't exactly popular here. Not to say there bad, but you've come to a racecar forum talking about Honda accords lol.


I think it's great your here. You learn by asking and reading. If you go back and look at some of my earlier (and current lol) posts, it's quite laughable. But I promise, if you hang around you will learn so much, you just have to be open minded and realize this forum is full of legit dudes (I am NOT one of them btw).


So welcome. I hope your gun continues to serve you well and I hope you train and become better with it!

[BehindBlueI's]

Nobody's saying it is, although Claude's certainly seems to be exceeding my (admittedly low) expectations.

I'll note that anybody who's limpwristing a SCCY will probably find the Shield to have the same problem.

Well, not every comment is made as an argument to someone else's statement. I think we're all on board the SCCY is not a quality firearm, even the OP. I simply mentioned it as the OP is having issues with it and that's not uncommon, and then offered an alternative in the same price point. It's just a shame that someone on a limited budget to begin with is now out some cash on the experiment.

Limp wristing may or may not be the issue, even the "I love every gun known to man" magazines often report "break in" periods of lackluster reliability...although oddly tend to forget to mention how long that break in period was.


Y'all are some critics in here. . .it's like everything I say doesn't meet up to your standards. Someone donate me 1000 rounds of 9mm ammo and I will go shoot all day, but dang the SCCY hung up on every magazine in the first 100 not limp wristing, the Canik did it's job and I feel confident so yes IN MY BOOK it gets a A+.

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Now you're sort of starting to see the point of earlier posts. A threaded barrel and gee-gaws won't make you a better shot. 1,000 rounds of 9mm probably will, if used correctly. Nobody needs to donate it to you, you need to use your funds better. In the mean time, perhaps see if you can salvage the SCCY until you can afford an upgrade. What sort of ammunition did you try, and how was it lubricated?

[Tamara]

Had no idea that was his article. I assumed you were making fun of it by using a 3" ragged hole at 7 yards as a show of good accuracy. I tried to read it but stopped. Sorry I made fun of him. But his el prez still sucks lol

No, I was making it a show of adequate accuracy. You're lucky not to work someplace where you get people coming off the range with their XD or Bersa or Taurus Millennium saying "The sights are off on this thing," or "It's not accurate," and then have to take their unfamiliar gun with with its janky trigger and blobby plastic sights and go put a magazine into a two- or three- inch cluster at 21'. But when you do, people will look at you like you are the second coming of Charles Askins.

Can you shoot an 11 sec El Prez with a SCCY?

[ReverendMeat]

Y'all are some critics in here. . .it's like everything I say doesn't meet up to your standards. Someone donate me 1000 rounds of 9mm ammo and I will go shoot all day, but dang the SCCY hung up on every magazine in the first 100 not limp wristing, the Canik did it's job and I feel confident so yes IN MY BOOK it gets a A+.


What type of ammo were you shooting through the Canik? Even 100 rounds could be enough to show if your sample has the same issues as Tamara's.

[That Guy]

even if there aren't any good mods for it.


If you're still talking about cosmetic changes to the gun, I for one find holster wear to make any working gun look cooler. ;)

[Luke]

No, I was making it a show of adequate accuracy. You're lucky not to work someplace where you get people coming off the range with their XD or Bersa or Taurus Millennium saying "The sights are off on this thing," or "It's not accurate," and then have to take their unfamiliar gun with with its janky trigger and blobby plastic sights and go put a magazine into a two- or three- inch cluster at 21'. But when you do, people will look at you like you are the second coming of Charles Askins.

Can you shoot an 11 sec El Prez with a SCCY?

Well I'm very happy I don't have that job. Even if I did it wouldn't last long, I'd have a mental break down and get fired.

I don't have one, or know anyone who could lend me one. Would a double action only sub compact be adequate? Not sure how rough the triggers are on the sccy.

[Tamara]

I don't have one, or know anyone who could lend me one. Would a double action only sub compact be adequate? Not sure how rough the triggers are on the sccy.

Well, it would certainly allow you to yell "Don't come any closer, I have a gun!" and not be lying. ;)

It's not the sort of thing I'd recommend to somebody who was looking to make a hobby out of shooting pistols well, that's for sure.

[HopetonBrown]

The brands you've mentioned aren't exactly popular here. Not to say there bad, but you've come to a racecar forum talking about Honda accords lol.


We love Honda Accords. They're called Glocks here.

The SCCY is more Daewoo Leganza territory.

[Luke]

We love Honda Accords. They're called Glocks here.

The SCCY is more Daewoo Leganza territory.

I was trying to just make an easy to understand analogy. I love Hondas, and have been apart of some sweet racecars that were Hondas.

[Mr_White]

OK so I went out Monday to the range and shot the TP9SF and I have to say it's amazing for use. Shoots on point, didn't have any failures out if the hundred or so rounds I shot, and even the local gun guys asked if they could shoot it and loved it too. The trigger is super, and it doesn't kick much. Now, my wife has the SCCY 9mm and hates it so it will be getting sold or traded (gun shop offered $115 trade in value so no. . .) and she will be getting the glock 19 or another Canik. She loved it too and was on point every shot. I would post pics of the target but we shot it with both guns so I don't want to confuse anyone. The SCCY has a very hard trigger pull and isn't accurate at all, and jams about every other magazine. The Canik however got an A+ in my book even if there aren't any good mods for it.

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LookMomNoLegs,

Here is my question (and I'm not yelling this at you, I am yelling this out into the internet, hoping definitive information exists): IS IT DROP SAFE?

Because if it isn't, then you really need to get a gun that will reliably not fire if dropped.

This thread is what got me looking in the first place: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19776-ND-or-AD&

I realize it may be a slightly different model of gun, but frankly I already look at Caniks with enormous suspicion with regard to being mechanically safe. And even that level of suspicion without certain confirmation, is enough to make me not want to touch one with a ten foot pole, and not be around anyone using one either. If the gun isn't, or predictably might not be, mechanically safe/drop safe, then trigger pull, cost, accessories don't mean anything.

In looking for any concrete information, here is what I found so far:


I've been looking around for info on this, found a few things, and thought I would post them here.

Blog post about potential safety issue with the Canik TP9 SA: http://monderno.com/monderno/canik-tp9-sa-safety-concern/

Two videos embedded in that blog post, apparently demonstrating failure of the trigger safety in preventing rearward trigger movement. Seems like this could be the source of not being drop safe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEFUO23fnDo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2y4Smc2ITI

[olstyn]

I wonder if any Walther parts are compatible, not that those are easy to come by...

Walther parts are actually quite easy to come by; you just call Walther Arms in Ft. Smith Arkansas (ETA: (479) 242-8500, ext 7), and they send you whatever you need. That said, I have no idea whether any Walther parts are compatible with the Canik guns, and if you admitted that's what they were for, I imagine Walther Arms might be a bit hesitant to send them out. That said, when I needed a slide stop spring for my P99c, they didn't even ask me for any proof that I actually owned said gun, sent it to me for free, and it was in my mailbox a few days later.


I saw a P99 in 9mm first gen I wanted but then I start thinking where to find mags.

IIRC all non-M2 new mags (current gen P99, PPQ M1, and the mags for the Magnum Research P99 clone) will work in the old guns, but the old mags won't work in the PPQ. I'd verify that before buying, but that's what I remember being the case, and presuming I'm correct, that means that mags are easy.

[olstyn]

even if there aren't any good mods for it

*sigh* As others have said, this is emphatically NOT what you need to be worrying about.

[HCM]

For the OP- Glock 19 Gen 3 Police trade in with nights sights $ 419:

https://www.recoilgunworks.com/glock-night-sights-very-good-condition-p-28972.html

[That Guy]

IIRC all non-M2 new mags (current gen P99, PPQ M1, and the mags for the Magnum Research P99 clone) will work in the old guns, but the old mags won't work in the PPQ. I'd verify that before buying, but that's what I remember being the case, and presuming I'm correct, that means that mags are easy.

I'm using PPQ magazines as my training and competition mags for my early 1st generation P99 (9mm). Had a few issues with them when they were new, but after that they've been great. I'm not sure if I would call them good carry mags, although they've behaved well for a long while now - my only two legitimate failures to feed were with the PPQ mags when they were new. OTOH those were several thousand rounds of use and abuse ago... Perhaps they just needed to get some dirt on them? :) At any rate, they're great at taking a beating and preserving my meager supply of 1st generation mags. :)

1st generation magazines are a bit taller at the front, so they might not work in later guns - but not having one to test with I can't be certain.

[Lex Luthier]

The 1st gen P99 QA I mentioned earlier does come with 8 OEM mags, so I ought to be good for a while. It is *very nice* news that the PPQ mags will work well.

[jh9]

I stopped reading after reading of a proud 11 second el prez..

Okay. Maybe El Pres is one of those drills that's undergone some inflation. I remember squadding with Matt Simms at an HGC IDPA match back in the mid/late 2000s and him mentioning I think it was Leatham shooting it in like 6s and being happy.

http://classifiercalc.com/

With a 6 HF (10s, 60p) that's currently B class with a revolver. And that's USPSA scoring. Using the more accuracy-centric IDPA scoring I've shot with high EX and low MA class shooters (this is before the DM classification) whose goal was sub 10 in SSP/ESP. Since it's not a classifier in IDPA nobody was tanking it so they could sandbag. My best El Pres (IDPA scoring) is 10 flat 0 down... with a 686.

I don't tout it in the presence of GMs, but compared to the average range rat I wouldn't begrduge someone of "being proud" of it. Hell you have to shoot it clean in 7s to get the Master level in USPSA with a revolver. 8.2s is still A class. And comparing an inexpensive plastic subcompact people popper to a tuned revolver isn't exactly fair...

Are you a USPSA B class / IDPA MA? If not, I wouldn't get too critical.

edit: My point is these drills are usually exponential in difficulty. If you shoot a 40s El Pres, getting to 20s isn't that hard. Getting to 10s is. Getting to 5s means you are literally the bestest shooter on Planet Earth. Expectations about what "sucks" and what doesn't need to be set in reality.

[Luke]

I'm very sorry I made that comment. And not sure why your using a revolver as a reference, does that little thing not hold more than 6 rounds? (All you need is 6 on elprez) and a CLEAN 10 second run would be top of C class, and his wasn't clean. It wasn't that big of a deal I just stated why I did not continue reading. I was under the impression that tamera was poking fun at the article, Reading comprehension is low on my skill set. An no, I'm not a B, I'm not even classified, but I am well on my way to being classified as a low D.

ETA: I've never ran it with a tiny gun so I'll have to run it this weekend from concealment.

[jh9]

I'm very sorry I made that comment. And not sure why your using a revolver as a reference, does that little thing not hold more than 6 rounds? (All you need is 6 on elprez) and a CLEAN 10 second run would be top of C class, and his wasn't clean. It wasn't that big of a deal I just stated why I did not continue reading. I was under the impression that tamera was poking fun at the article, Reading comprehension is low on my skill set. An no, I'm not a B, I'm not even classified, but I am well on my way to being classified as a low D.

ETA: I've never ran it with a tiny gun so I'll have to run it this weekend from concealment.

I compared it to a revolver not because of capacity but because both are generally more difficult to shoot than what you see in Prod/SSTK/LIM/Open at any given match. That has an impact on performance.

Didn't watch the video. Don't know what his hits were, but 11s with a borderline disposable pocket gun is at least respectable if he wasn't throwing Deltas every other shot. It isn't world class, but it doesn't have to be. It's a pocket gun. Comparing it to what GMs do with 2011s is missing the point.

[Tamara]

I'll note it was good enough to take second on the stage. I can't be arsed to go look at what kind of turnout that match had, but you could probably go to I Don't Practice Anymore's website and search for October 2014 matches in the vicinity of Atlanta.

[RevolverRob]

I'll just add to the "Don't buy a damn Canik." Fire by pointing out...

AIM Surplus' flier for Friday afternoon showed some surplus CZ-82s in 9x18mak and CZ-83s in .380 for $299 a pop. I can't help but think I'd rather have a CZ-83 loaded with 13-rounds of .380 HST over a kind of occasionally, sometimes, if you don't look at it wrong, functioning Canik that isn't drop safe in 9x19. And you can be reasonably sure that the larger CZ83 will do damn well with the HST in it. Reports on .380 HST from various mouse guns (e.g., LCP), report massive expansion .60+, but limited penetration (8.5"). With a barrel a full inch longer, my guess is you get ~12" of penetration. Just sayin'...

-Rob

[Nephrology]

I'll just add to the "Don't buy a damn Canik." Fire by pointing out...

AIM Surplus' flier for Friday afternoon showed some surplus CZ-82s in 9x18mak and CZ-83s in .380 for $299 a pop. I can't help but think I'd rather have a CZ-83 loaded with 13-rounds of .380 HST over a kind of occasionally, sometimes, if you don't look at it wrong, functioning Canik that isn't drop safe in 9x19. And you can be reasonably sure that the larger CZ83 will do damn well with the HST in it. Reports on .380 HST from various mouse guns (e.g., LCP), report massive expansion .60+, but limited penetration (8.5"). With a barrel a full inch longer, my guess is you get ~12" of penetration. Just sayin'...

-Rob

I'd buy a SD9VE over any of the above guns, all day every day.

[HopetonBrown]

If you just canceled your cable subscription you could buy a new Glock and 3,000 rounds of ammo your first year, and 6,000 rounds each subsequent year. Someone earlier said something about priorities.

[JonInWA]

I'll just add to the "Don't buy a damn Canik." Fire by pointing out...

AIM Surplus' flier for Friday afternoon showed some surplus CZ-82s in 9x18mak and CZ-83s in .380 for $299 a pop. I can't help but think I'd rather have a CZ-83 loaded with 13-rounds of .380 HST over a kind of occasionally, sometimes, if you don't look at it wrong, functioning Canik that isn't drop safe in 9x19. And you can be reasonably sure that the larger CZ83 will do damn well with the HST in it. Reports on .380 HST from various mouse guns (e.g., LCP), report massive expansion .60+, but limited penetration (8.5"). With a barrel a full inch longer, my guess is you get ~12" of penetration. Just sayin'...

-Rob

The CZ 82/83 is a nice pistol, with decent sights and a very nice triggerpull, with an excellent reputation for reliability and durability, and good ergos-I've had a couple of them, including the first CZ83 with commercial rollmarkings imported into the US back in the '90s.

Unless you're in a 9x18 Mak world though, the justification for it kind of pales compared to a very similar-sized Glock 19, other than having a nice, neat gun. Practicality-wise, and caliber-wise, the Glock 19 kind of romps all over it....

Best, Jon

[Hambo]

I think we just a thread about trying to help people who don't want help. If anyone wanted my help, I'd point out some sub-$400 pistols on CDNN.

[Joe in PNG]

I think we just a thread about trying to help people who don't want help. If anyone wanted my help, I'd point out some sub-$400 pistols on CDNN.

Hollywood, Magical Thinking, Hipsterism, and lots of Dunning-Kurger.

-Hollywood in that Heroes Always Carry Snowflake Guns while disposable mooks carry Glocks.

-Magical Thinking in the belief that the mere possession of a gun will keep the baddies away, that merely presenting a gun will cause the baddies to flee, and the mistaken belief that the annual 50 rounds of undisciplined practice.

-Hipsterism in the belief that strange & obscure must be much more better than the normal and accepted.

-And our old friend Dunning-Kruger, where people who don't know don't know they don't know. Years of experience are meaningless if you can't put up the numbers (quick times and small groups). If your 7 yard groups look like shotgun patterns, and your drills can be timed with the hour hand, you are not a good shooter, no matter how may years you've been doing it.

[RevolverRob]

I'd buy a SD9VE over any of the above guns, all day every day.


The CZ 82/83 is a nice pistol, with decent sights and a very nice triggerpull, with an excellent reputation for reliability and durability, and good ergos-I've had a couple of them, including the first CZ83 with commercial rollmarkings imported into the US back in the '90s.

Unless you're in a 9x18 Mak world though, the justification for it kind of pales compared to a very similar-sized Glock 19, other than having a nice, neat gun. Practicality-wise, and caliber-wise, the Glock 19 kind of romps all over it....

Best, Jon

You guys might be missing the forest for the trees. I'm not suggesting one buy a $299.99 CZ82/83 over a Glock 19 or even an SD9VE. Just merely pointing out that a world full of choices exists and ten minutes of searching should find something, anything, better than a Canik/SCCY/HiPoint/Diamondback/etc. - Just a wee bit of imagination can get you into something that works just fine for what you need.

As for the whole, "Cancel cable and buy a Glock and a bunch of ammo." - I mean...yea, but I still am not going to use a Glock everyday, like I do cable (I actually don't have cable, but you get the point). Sometimes we have to remember that a lot of folks are looking for a handgun to serve as an occasional shooter and as a defensive arm. If they are shooting for a hobby, they shouldn't buy a Glock 19 at all. They should go buy a Browning Buckmark or a Ruger 22/45 and about ten bricks of ammunition. Which would still be cheaper than a Glock 19. - In fact, despite knowing that 9mm JHPs are far superior in defensive scenarios than a .22 loaded with Stingers, you couldn't convince me that a 22/45 with a Burris Fastfire III or Docter III on top isn't a better all-around gun.

-Rob

[HopetonBrown]

As for the whole, "Cancel cable and buy a Glock and a bunch of ammo." - I mean...yea, but I still am not going to use a Glock everyday, like I do cable (I actually don't have cable, but you get the point).

I don't.

[Nephrology]

I don't.

I have never had cable. I don't even know anyone my age who has cable, for that matter (late 20s).

[HCM]

Not to derail but for those without cable, who are you using for internet access at home ? I could live without TV given high speed internet, but fin my area, the price difference between a TV internet bundle and internet alone is minimal.

[Luke]

I'm in my 20's and don't even have internet at the house. And we have cable (direct tv technically).

[Hambo]

Hipsterism


For hipsters I suggest a SIG P210, or at the very least an HK P7PSP (because:Euro Heel Mag Release).

[HCM]

For hipsters I suggest a SIG P210, or at the very least an HK P7PSP (because:Euro Heel Mag Release).

Broomhandle Mauser, it is both hipster and steam punk.

[RevolverRob]

I don't.

You don't what? Get the point? I'm just assuming that you are being sarcastic here.

Priorities are indeed important. Let me rank mine: Family, bills, career, hobbies.

So, after I take care of my family, who like cable television, and pay my bills, I focus on my career, then I don't have the time to shoot 6,000 rounds a year. Let a lone prioritize firing 6,000 rounds of ammunition. Which, by the by, is just a portion of the actual expense of shooting that ammo. Range time, getting to and from the range, etc.

Look, I get it. If someone wants to become a good shooter - Shoot plenty of ammo, with a quality gun, and get some training. We've heard that a few times before. But to say, "You just prioritize it!"...that is one of those things that people say, who are either unaware that anyone can make alternative decisions from their decisions...or they are just being a jerk about it.

-Rob

[Lex Luthier]

Broomhandle Mauser, it is both hipster and steam punk.

"Borchardt. You've probably never heard of it."

[RevolverRob]

"Borchardt. You've probably never heard of it."

A really good friend of mine shot a Texas CHL Renewal (back when you had to shoot during a renewal) with a Bergmann-Bayard. We were both renewing at the same time, he shot with the Bergmann, I shot with a Smith 3913, the guy next to me shot a P7M8. A Tx CHL qualification is something every shooter should be able to do blindfolded, but of 40 people...only three people shot perfect scores, any guesses if they were shooting Glocks or hipster guns?

Or put another way - A hipster gun you shoot is better than a Glock in a sock drawer, or dishwasher, or wherever you guys store your Glocks.

-Rob

[Lex Luthier]

"Or put another way - A hipster gun you shoot is better than a Glock in a sock drawer, or dishwasher, or wherever you guys store your Glocks. "

Indeed.

[HCM]

"Borchardt. You've probably never heard of it."

I have, but unlike a broom handle, I've never shot one. :p

[Lex Luthier]

I promise to start a "oddball hipster guns I have known" thread.

Does anyone know if any of the Walther replacement parts will be drop-in replacements in the Canik pistols?

[olstyn]

If you just canceled your cable subscription you could buy a new Glock and 3,000 rounds of ammo your first year, and 6,000 rounds each subsequent year. Someone earlier said something about priorities.

I once did similar math for someone who was a 2 pack a day smoker. He knew what the results were going to be, but was still not pleased when said results were made mathematically concrete. I don't recall the exact amount, but I remember thinking that if *I* was a smoker, I wouldn't have been able to afford my then-current car payment.

[HopetonBrown]

But to say, "You just prioritize it!"...that is one of those things that people say, who are either unaware that anyone can make alternative decisions from their decisions...or they are just being a jerk about it.

-Rob

I didn't realize that television played such an integral part in your family life. I just listed a bill that one doesn't automatically need to pay in order to live a happy, productive life. I don't have cable and I don't think I've missed all that much. Sounds like that's not the case with you. Sorry for that.

[Luke]

I didn't realize that television played such an integral part in your family life. I just listed a bill that one doesn't automatically need to pay in order to live a happy, productive life. I don't have cable and I don't think I've missed all that much. Sounds like that's not the case with you. Sorry for that.

While I don't like TV and would love to cancel it.. My stay at home wife with 2 small kids who love the kid shows would murder me if it got cut off. No, they don't sit around watching tv all day, most of the time is spent playing with toys inside or out, but the TV is important.

[Lex Luthier]

"Borchardt. You've probably never heard of it."

Just as an aside, I have a friend with a sense of humor who used to live and carry in Las Vegas. Since they have some odd laws concerning transport, and the CCW license is for specific firearms, He added an original Colt 1860 Army to his carry license. Caused a little controversy down at the Clark County permitting office.

Sorry for getting off into the weeds here, OP.

[Nephrology]

Which, by the by, is just a portion of the actual expense of shooting that ammo. Range time, getting to and from the range, etc.

-Rob

I know you are in Chiraq so your circumstances are likely different, but my range is $65/yr and gas is maybe ~$10 bucks there and back, tops. at ~$200/case of 9mm, and an average range expenditure of 250rds per trip, thats $50 in ammo each time I go - i.e. almost a year's worth of range fees. So, for me, and for many, I'd reckon the biggest rate limiting factor is ammo.

Also, for what it's worth, as a 1st year med student I still manage to make it to the range on a 1x/month basis on average, if not more. Some weeks overfloweth with opportunities while others...don't.... but I still am able to make time if/when I want it. I also don't have kids, so, take that for what it's worth...


I once did similar math for someone who was a 2 pack a day smoker. He knew what the results were going to be, but was still not pleased when said results were made mathematically concrete. I don't recall the exact amount, but I remember thinking that if *I* was a smoker, I wouldn't have been able to afford my then-current car payment.


Wait til they see how much their partial lobectomy/6 months of chemo/coronary angioplasty costs them...

I am no angel or anything, but a cigarette habit is seriously the dumbest thing you can inflict on yourself, especially at 2packs/day.

[olstyn]

I am no angel or anything, but a cigarette habit is seriously the dumbest thing you can inflict on yourself, especially at 2packs/day.

Agreed, 100%. I don't think there's anyone alive now who is ill-informed enough to think it isn't killing them, or at least significantly negatively affecting their health, but they just keep doing it anyway. I've never heard a smoker claim that they actually got high from them, so where's the upside? The funny thing is, drugs like heroin, cocaine, etc, I can understand the appeal of; users get high. It's still stupid, but at least there's something that I can understand in terms of there being a reason to do it: pleasure, escape from reality, etc. What is the appeal of cigarettes, especially in inclement weather? Gee, let me go stand outside in the bitter cold or the sweltering heat or the pouring rain and (almost literally) burn money to kill myself some more! Sounds Great!

[Nephrology]

Agreed, 100%. I don't think there's anyone alive now who is ill-informed enough to think it isn't killing them, or at least significantly negatively affecting their health, but they just keep doing it anyway. I've never heard a smoker claim that they actually got high from them, so where's the upside? The funny thing is, drugs like heroin, cocaine, etc, I can understand the appeal of; users get high. It's still stupid, but at least there's something that I can understand in terms of there being a reason to do it: pleasure, escape from reality, etc. What is the appeal of cigarettes, especially in inclement weather? Gee, let me go stand outside in the bitter cold or the sweltering heat or the pouring rain and (almost literally) burn money to kill myself some more! Sounds Great!

Heroin is actually pharmacologically safer, too (presuming good quality diacylmorphine and clean needles etc). Heroin is not carcinogenic and has no truly harmful effects in and of itself besides suppressing your gut motility & being addictive (and overdosing, which is actually hard to do with single use of pure heroin that is more or less appropriately titrated). There are plenty of patients out there on daily doses of oxycodone that would put a casual user of street opiates right under the table and they do just fine with the right followup. All cigarette use, on the other hand, is pretty objectively bad.

The more you know...

[RevolverRob]

I didn't realize that television played such an integral part in your family life.

It actually doesn't. I mentioned before, I don't have cable. I have some streaming services and it helps provide news and entertainment when I am feeling in need of that.


I just listed a bill that one doesn't automatically need to pay in order to live a happy, productive life.

No, you didn't. You made a snarky comment about priorities. And now you have become defensive, because someone is calling you on that. Not all priorities are what your priorities are. It doesn't matter if it is cable or television. Saying things like, "Cancel cable, buy a Glock, and shoot 6000 rounds a year." - Isn't helpful - AT ALL. Because it's made from a position of ignorance. For all you know the individual in question doesn't even own a television or cable. And the only thing they can afford is $300 for a handgun and $50 worth of ammunition annually. I'm not going to run all off on the deep end about this. But the bottom line is, you're tone makes you sound like a know-it-all.


I don't have cable and I don't think I've missed all that much. Sounds like that's not the case with you. Sorry for that.

There is that Holier-Than-Thou attitude again. Who cares what you've missed? Who cares if you have 500 channels of cable? Who cares what you spend on shooting? Does any of it help the OP be a better shooter? I'm glad you can shoot however many thousands of rounds you can a year. You're right, that's not the case with me. Instead of shooting all the time or watching TV, I'm kind of busy. Let's see, last year as something that is integral to my life, I helped raise $25,000 for charity. I would have missed that opportunity straight up, if I prioritized shooting over other things. That's not who I am and I'm okay with that. Besides if making my priorities like your's comes with your attitude? I'd rather give up shooting and go fund raise for Bernie Sanders.

There is a lot of asshole in this thread, myself included. The Canik is not a particularly good pistol for anyone. It seems there are drop safety issues and function issues, documented by members on our forum here. Rather than piss on each other's shoes about what is the right choice. Which sometimes seems to be "Glock 19, end of story. If you aren't running a Glock 19, you're an idiot wasting money and time." - And move on.

OP if you want to get better at shooting, go read some training journals. Unload your gun and dryfire it until your hands ache and your eyes bleed, then do it some more. When you're done with that. Carefully shoot that thing and see. If it is unreliable and inaccurate, move on to something else. Shop smart (shop S-Mart), and you'll find something that will fit your needs easily, without breaking the bank.



I know you are in Chiraq so your circumstances are likely different, but my range is $65/yr and gas is maybe ~$10 bucks there and back, tops. at ~$200/case of 9mm, and an average range expenditure of 250rds per trip, thats $50 in ammo each time I go - i.e. almost a year's worth of range fees. So, for me, and for many, I'd reckon the biggest rate limiting factor is ammo.

Well, you're partially right. From where I sit the closest range is 23 miles. That's a couple of gallons of gas. Plus the quickest and safest way is over the Chicago Skyway...which means tolls. That basically turns the drive from 6 bucks in gas to about $30 total. Range fees on the other side vary, but the place that doesn't freak me out with sketchy safety issues is $15/hour. So, that's $60 in range fees and driving for two-hours, plus the hour-drive each way...and then ammo. So, it turns pretty fast into a $100+ outing, especially if the wife comes along, which she likes to do. As it is my Netflix subscription is $9.99/month...That doesn't even cover the tolls to get to the range.

In Central Texas it actually wasn't that much better, once we lost the rimfire range that housed the UT Rifle & Pistol Club, the closest range to me was indoor, with $15/hr range fees or $425/year. The closest outdoor range was $150/yr, but the attitude of members there put me off the whole thing. I ended up shooting exclusively at a friend's private range in the area. That would still be a day-long outing, but it was only ammo costs then. Which were partially offset by a big stash of ammo I bought when I worked at the gunstore and got ammo at 15% off.

[ReverendMeat]

Agreed, 100%. I don't think there's anyone alive now who is ill-informed enough to think it isn't killing them, or at least significantly negatively affecting their health, but they just keep doing it anyway. I've never heard a smoker claim that they actually got high from them, so where's the upside? The funny thing is, drugs like heroin, cocaine, etc, I can understand the appeal of; users get high. It's still stupid, but at least there's something that I can understand in terms of there being a reason to do it: pleasure, escape from reality, etc. What is the appeal of cigarettes, especially in inclement weather? Gee, let me go stand outside in the bitter cold or the sweltering heat or the pouring rain and (almost literally) burn money to kill myself some more! Sounds Great!

Cigarettes can help you relax, maybe.

If you drink, cigarettes will you get you drunker faster.

I think that's it as far as upsides but I still want to smoke. It's the damndest thing, couldn't tell you why. Quit a month ago to save money moreso than anything else.

[olstyn]

I still want to smoke. It's the damndest thing, couldn't tell you why. Quit a month ago to save money moreso than anything else.

Congrats, and here's hoping you're able to make it stick. There have to be others on here who've gone through the process of quitting; when it gets tough, I'd try to lean on them as a support system.

[HopetonBrown]

Hey Bob, there are ways to save money to afford the things we want, and gave an example. It's really that simple.


It actually doesn't. I mentioned before, I don't have cable. I have some streaming services and it helps provide news and entertainment when I am feeling in need of that.

No, you didn't. You made a snarky comment about priorities. And now you have become defensive, because someone is calling you on that. Not all priorities are what your priorities are. It doesn't matter if it is cable or television. Saying things like, "Cancel cable, buy a Glock, and shoot 6000 rounds a year." - Isn't helpful - AT ALL. Because it's made from a position of ignorance. For all you know the individual in question doesn't even own a television or cable. And the only thing they can afford is $300 for a handgun and $50 worth of ammunition annually. I'm not going to run all off on the deep end about this. But the bottom line is, you're tone makes you sound like a know-it-all.

There is that Holier-Than-Thou attitude again. Who cares what you've missed? Who cares if you have 500 channels of cable? Who cares what you spend on shooting? Does any of it help the OP be a better shooter? I'm glad you can shoot however many thousands of rounds you can a year. You're right, that's not the case with me. Instead of shooting all the time or watching TV, I'm kind of busy. Let's see, last year as something that is integral to my life, I helped raise $25,000 for charity. I would have missed that opportunity straight up, if I prioritized shooting over other things. That's not who I am and I'm okay with that. Besides if making my priorities like your's comes with your attitude? I'd rather give up shooting and go fund raise for Bernie Sanders.

There is a lot of asshole in this thread, myself included. The Canik is not a particularly good pistol for anyone. It seems there are drop safety issues and function issues, documented by members on our forum here. Rather than piss on each other's shoes about what is the right choice. Which sometimes seems to be "Glock 19, end of story. If you aren't running a Glock 19, you're an idiot wasting money and time." - And move on.



I'm not going to run all off on the deep end about this.

Your wall of text about "snarky", "defensive", "ignorance", "Holier-Than-Thou" and "know-it'all" suggests otherwise.

[GardoneVT]

Hey Bob, there are ways to save money to afford the things we want, and gave an example. It's really that simple. .

The economies & responsibilities of each individual are just that- individual.

You might be able to afford to cut Expense X to afford shooting, and more power to you for doing so. That does not mean someone else is in a similar position. A lot of people nowadays aren't choosing between Cable vs Glock ;they're choosing between missing the mortgage payment vs missing the hospital payment.

[HopetonBrown]

The economies & responsibilities of each individual are just that- individual.

You might be able to afford to cut Expense X to afford shooting, and more power to you for doing so. That does not mean someone else is in a similar position. A lot of people nowadays aren't choosing between Cable vs Glock ;they're choosing between missing the mortgage payment vs missing the hospital payment.

Cutting the cable bill was an example, GardoneTV, not an edict.

We're not talking about missing hospital or mortgage payments, we're talking about finding ways to set aside an extra $150 to buy a Glock over a Canik. I think you're losing perspective on what is being discussed.

[Nephrology]

Cutting the cable bill was an example, GardoneTV, not an edict.

We're not talking about missing hospital or mortgage payments, we're talking about finding ways to set aside an extra $150 to buy a Glock over a Canik. I think you're losing perspective on what is being discussed.

Agreed...

Obviously not everyone can afford 3x Glock 19s with Trijicon HDs, 15 cases of 9mm and 4 classes a year. That said, there are certainly ways to meet somewhere in the middle between "Canik" and "GJM"

I make my shooting more affordable by basically ignoring rifles entirely. I pretty much only shoot pistols, and my pistols are pretty much only glocks, and my glocks are pretty much only 9mm. This lets me build the most skill per dollar possible.

Also, at the end of the day, rounds downrange generally correlates to skill (assuming those were rounds invested in skill building and not simply dollars turned into smoke and noise). Dry fire is great and all, but you do have to go to the range to know if you can hit the target.

[GardoneVT]

Cutting the cable bill was an example, GardoneTV, not an edict.

We're not talking about missing hospital or mortgage payments, we're talking about finding ways to set aside an extra $150 to buy a Glock over a Canik. I think you're losing perspective on what is being discussed.

For some folks, an extra $150.00 may not exist to set aside.

Frankly if one is shopping for a pistol and money is that much of an issue, " new" is not an option. Do not pass go and proceed to the used gun case for a used HK/Beretta/Glock etc.

Even financially well off shooters are better served buying used and putting the savings towards skill construction & maintenance.

[jh9]

Hey Bob, there are ways to save money to afford the things we want, and gave an example. It's really that simple.

It is, but the things we want vary. And how much we want them also varies.

This is a marksmanship-oriented forum, but it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Advice and improvement can be a-la-carte.

"I want to get better." <-- OP, and a lot of other people. Myself included.

"Sell the Canik, buy a Glock 19 and 3000 rounds of practice ammo." <-- common wisdom which is not implied to be at all bad

"I...don't want it that much. What do you got for 3 boxes of Blazer and a stick of gum?" <-- OP, and a lot of other people. Sometimes myself included.

"Find a way to buy a Glock 19 and 3000 rounds of practice ammo by cutting what some view to be unnecessary expenses." <-- This is the wrong answer, unless OP has directly expressed a direct interest in getting to USPSA M class.

"Well, Stoger has a dry-fire routine that some people find helpful. And here's a link to some details on the Canik. It isn't that well tested, so keep an eye on X spring and Y part. You're better off with a Glock 19, but here are the details on how to make do." <-- This is a better answer, as it will likely produce at least some improvement without resulting in OP buggering off to somewhere like canik-forum where he'll be told 'Canik is undisputed awesome, and so is shooting a trashcan lid sized group because what's dry fire lol.'

[Tamara]

"Well, Stoger has a dry-fire routine that some people find helpful. And here's a link to some details on the Canik. It isn't that well tested, so keep an eye on X spring and Y part. You're better off with a Glock 19, but here are the details on how to make do." <-- This is a better answer, as it will likely produce at least some improvement without resulting in OP buggering off to somewhere like canik-forum where he'll be told 'Canik is undisputed awesome, and so is shooting a trashcan lid sized group because what's dry fire lol.'
^^^^There are not enough like buttons for this post.

Is there a canikforum.com? There needs to be. I could be the Dean Speir of caniktalk!

[danok1]

Well, late to the party as usual. FWIW, my $0.02...

LookMomNoLegs, I understand your perspective. I too am new to this forum and the "pistol world" (though I have shot in the past, &c.). I have one kid in college and another starting in a couple of years, so discretionary dollars are scarce. I also looked at the Canik TP9SA/SF. I also watched the YouTube videos, read the reviews, yada yada yada. Pat Kelley's "Box-to-match" review of the TP9SA almost sealed the deal for me. Then I stopped and thought about:

- Service and parts, in case something went wrong with the pistol. And from what I could find out, Century Arms is not known for its customer service.
- Availability of accessories, such as holsters, grips, and so forth for a relatively new pistol. Not "mods" as you see them, but items one needs to make the best use of the firearm.
- Lack of a real track record for the pistol, at least as compared to other known quantities.
- Lack of a compact model, assuming I decided I wanted one for concealed carry. (I know that many successfully conceal-carry full-size pistols, but I would like the option of a smaller model within the same "family", e.g. M&P9/9c/Shield.)

Finally, Tamara's 2,000 round test sealed my decision. The Canik is not for me.

You've made your decision, and I sincerely wish you nothing but the best of luck with it. I hope you put 90,000 rounds through the Canik with no problems, and that you never have to use it for defense. Just saying that having looked at the same product, I'm taking a different path.

-Dan

[jh9]

^^^^There are not enough like buttons for this post.

Is there a canikforum.com? There needs to be. I could be the Dean Speir of caniktalk!

Any minute now I'm expecting canik-forum.com to redirect to the same place revolver-forum.com and rifle-forum.com do...

Tom Jones is suspiciously quiet on the matter... :p

[Hambo]

^^^^There are not enough like buttons for this post.

Is there a canikforum.com? There needs to be. I could be the Dean Speir of caniktalk!

For people who want a snowflake pistol, a shameless plug for your blog is in order. I've actually creeped GB looking at G37s because: noknownGAPammoshortages. Caniks, not so much.

[Tamara]

For people who want a snowflake pistol, a shameless plug for your blog is in order. I've actually creeped GB looking at G37s because: noknownGAPammoshortages.

Literally LOL'ed. That G37 has endeared itself to me a lot more than I thought it would. I can't deny that it shoots like a house afire.

Now that we're out of winter and my home outdoor range has finished an extensive rebuilding program on the firing line, I'm curious to take it out and see what the actual effect on splits the larger caliber has, vis a vis my trusty Gen3 19.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Please don't buy a Canik.

Just...don't.

If you do, people will be triggered and you will be against social justice. And stuff...

Buy a used glock. Nobody's triggered. Safe spaces & stuff...

[RogerV]

Well here goes.. I have a TP9sf and I like it alot. I really can't be objective since this is the first gun I purchased and really on only one I've shot. I watched all the Youtube videos, read all the reviews, and in the end purchased what I consider to me a good firearm at a resonable cost. The new TP9sf uses sights from CZ and S&W if you need new sights. It is a new gun on the market so no, there aren't alot of after market items for it yet. Century Arms warranties the gun for life so I don't see that to be much of an issue. One thing I do know is that gun stores in my area are having a hard time keeping them in stock. Could be just the price or could actually be because its a good weapon. BTW, I've got 1400 rnds through mine now. You can find more info on the TP9sa, TP9v2, and TP9sf on the facebook page. Just search for Canik TP9 Series.

[BehindBlueI's]

I can't deny that it shoots like a house afire.


Is that....good?

[OlongJohnson]

Is it just me, or was this the most epic troll thread I've seen on this site? It started the day after National Troll Thread Day, but still...

[jh9]

Is that....good?

Not for the house, no.

[Mr_White]

Is it just me, or was this the most epic troll thread I've seen on this site? It started the day after National Troll Thread Day, but still...

Not the most epic. There was this guy, see, and he was wearing Solomon Speedcross IIIs. He was downrange. Something drew his attention uprange and when he turned to look, the Solomons did their job with mega traction and didn't let his feet move. He fell and broke his leg, then had to go to the doctor and get an X-ray. I'm just glad he's ok.

[Wendell]

Apologies to anyone offended by thread resurrections, but I just found this video today.

It's too good not to share.

GUN REVIEW - Canik TP9SF (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1zncQeEpY)
Published to YouTube on Jul 24, 2016 by Corinne Mosher (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxofTuV-JTATYj8zlcabx3w)
Here's a GUN REVIEW style you may never have seen before. No practice, outtakes or controlled range drills on a closed set. My first time EVER shooting a Canik TP9SF was after the "beep" during the first stage of an actual competition. Wounded Veterans Of Oklahoma Professional performance...straight out of the box. Having NEVER fired the gun (and not just THIS one, but ANY TP9SF), I was able to be competitive and ended up not only taking High Lady but winning the Factory division as well. And here's the catch...the TP9SF isn't even their newest competition model!! What can I do when I get the TP9SFX in my hands??!! If that isn't a testament to the quality of this pistol...I don't know what is. Look out world, the Canik is here.
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxofTuV-JTATYj8zlcabx3w)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1zncQeEpY

[medmo]

Total Troll. My vote anyhow. Kind of outrageous.