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mtnbkr
04-02-2016, 08:00 AM
OK, I have my trust and am now researching 22lr cans.

I *think* I've narrowed it down to the Dead Air Mask and Ruger Silent-SR.

The price, size, weight, and performance seem to be nearly identical. I'm leaning toward Ruger in order to support them in this endeavor. I think this is a case where it's important to show them their investment is a good one. However, if the Mask is significantly better, I'd like to hear why.

Anything else I should consider? Are there any head-to-head tests of the two (I can't find any)?

The host will be a Ruger 22/45 Lite. The can will see lots of use because the pistol and can will be go on every camping and hunting trip I take, as well as forays to family property where shooting guns aren't an issue. My daughter loves shooting the 22/45 and is intrigued by the concept of a suppressor. Needless to say, I expect to run a lot of rounds through this thing.

Chris

rob_s
04-02-2016, 08:18 AM
My #1 piece of advice to anyone considering any can is to try and hear as many, in person, and on your same make/model of gun(s), as possible.

LittleLebowski
04-02-2016, 09:00 AM
Dead Air Mask, hands down unless the price difference is an issue. It's out, it's been tested extensively, it's light, it's from a well financed company, and it's small but suppressed with the best. The Ruger is an unknown.

Hansohn Brothers
04-02-2016, 10:10 AM
Hard to go wrong with the Mask, it has a proven track record. However, I have no reason to think the Ruger will be a non-performer. Check NFA Review Channel.

mtnbkr
04-02-2016, 12:34 PM
My #1 piece of advice to anyone considering any can is to try and hear as many, in person, and on your same make/model of gun(s), as possible.

I wish that was an option, but I've only known one person who owned one and that was a few years ago (holy crap, I think it was 6+ by now). It was enough to imprint upon me the "gotta have" though. :)




Dead Air Mask, hands down unless the price difference is an issue. It's out, it's been tested extensively, it's light, it's from a well financed company, and it's small but suppressed with the best. The Ruger is an unknown.
Price of each is roughly the same based on what I've seen online (MSRP and Street). Physical stats are also roughly the same Ruger is also well financed I suspect. ;)

However, your point about the Ruger being an unknown is spot on. The "professional" reviews I've seen say it's good and equivalent to the Mask in terms of overall suppression and low-to-no FRP, but I'd really like to see more "owner" reviews.




Hard to go wrong with the Mask, it has a proven track record. However, I have no reason to think the Ruger will be a non-performer.

Yeah, I feel the Mask is the safe choice, but like I said above, I really want to "reward" Ruger for bringing one of their own to the market. I feel the more successful a company like Ruger is with this endeavor, the more successful we'll be as a community in the long run. However, NFA restrictions and such mean I'm likely to be stuck with my purchase (or losing at least $200 if I'm not happy and sell), so I feel like I need to be absolutely certain in my decision. Otherwise, I'd just buy the Ruger and be done with it.


Check NFA Review Channel.
Been watching and reading reviews all morning.

I'm a month or more out from a purchase, so I have time...

Chris

punkey71
04-02-2016, 02:48 PM
My useless opinion...take it for what it's worth.

Pretty much all 22 cans are VERY hearing safe. Hansohn, LL and I shot 6 or so 22 cans a few months back and metered them. Mask, Spectre II, TBAC 22-L, Element II, Warlock II and maybe one or two more.

With the exception of the Warlock (the only all aluminum can) they all sounded very similar to me. All were hearing safe with the Warlock being a little louder when shot side by side to any of the others.

Serviceable and SS baffles. That's what I would look for. Quiet will be there no matter what you choose when shooting 22s at subsonic MV. The tones will vary slightly but aren't "bad" in any of them.

We shot the TBAC-22L and we all thought it sounded fantastic. The only downside to it is that it's a sealed can. TBACs new Takedown 22 can IS serviceable and TBAC claims it to be 3-4 decibels QUIETER than the 22-L.

I own a Spectre II already and have a Mask and TBAC Takedown on the way.

It's hard to make a bad choice.




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voodoo_man
04-02-2016, 04:39 PM
"The One"

Gemtech

Do it.

punkey71
04-02-2016, 04:59 PM
The One from Gemtech is very impressive....

....but thats a heavy-ass 22LR can.

:-)

ffhounddog
04-03-2016, 05:51 PM
Could you get a 9mm or 45 can in 1/28 and run it as a .22lr?

CCT125US
04-03-2016, 06:44 PM
Could you get a 9mm or 45 can in 1/28 and run it as a .22lr?

It would work, but in general is not recommended.

punkey71
04-03-2016, 07:05 PM
Could you get a 9mm or 45 can in 1/28 and run it as a .22lr?
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It's definetely noticeable weight - probably 9oz vs 6oz. - and thats a K can at 9oz.

Iron sights may be close as well.

I will run it as an extra on a rifle when my kids are shooting off a bench but not on a pistol.

ffhounddog
04-03-2016, 07:36 PM
69796980

It's definetely noticeable weight - probably 9oz vs 6oz. - and thats a K can at 9oz.

Iron sights may be close as well.

I will run it as an extra on a rifle when my kids are shooting off a bench but not on a pistol.

I was thinkng an Octane K from SiCo sinc my prefered dealer does not really do Griffins anymore. Avg 118 on a 10/22 is not bad in general.

Then when the kids are old enough get another .22 can. Already have a Warlock 2.

Hansohn Brothers
04-03-2016, 08:26 PM
Revolution 45 and Checkmates will be available next week

Unobtanium
04-04-2016, 03:36 AM
I really like my SWR Spectre II. Plenty quiet, and all stainless. I chose it for durability and sound. It has impressed me in both areas.

rob_s
04-04-2016, 05:25 AM
I wish that was an option, but I've only known one person who owned one and that was a few years ago (holy crap, I think it was 6+ by now). It was enough to imprint upon me the "gotta have" though. :)


In that case, I will reverse myself.

Buy whatever .22 take apart can floats your boat from an ESTABLISHED maker with a HISTORY of making cans.

Personally, neither of your proposed options meet both those criteria for me, but YMMV.

LittleLebowski
04-04-2016, 08:49 AM
I really like my SWR Spectre II. Plenty quiet, and all stainless. I chose it for durability and sound. It has impressed me in both areas.

The Spectre II is a gold standard at this point. It's a safe recommendation that has been tested left and right but is still up there with the rest in suppression.

Unobtanium
04-04-2016, 11:12 AM
The Spectre II is a gold standard at this point. It's a safe recommendation that has been tested left and right but is still up there with the rest in suppression.
Yep. It's a durable, "no surprises" option. It's like a colt 6920. May not be super sexy, but it runs just fine and there are a ton out there proving it.

StraitR
04-04-2016, 01:05 PM
A nice, to the point, no blabbering FRP comparison video using pistol and long gun....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiWBaizCf3Y

punkey71
04-04-2016, 01:21 PM
A nice, to the point, no blabbering FRP comparison video using pistol and long gun....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiWBaizCf3Y

Good video from Dead Air showing how well their can performs but also an affirmation to what's been said above....

The Spectre II has awesome performance, is established and also cheaper than nearly anything but the all aluminum cans.

So many good choices.

ReverendMeat
04-04-2016, 01:26 PM
I second the Spectre II. It's inexpensive, quiet, and durable. I like the comparison to the Colt 6920

nalesq
04-04-2016, 01:28 PM
It would work, but in general is not recommended.

Is it not recommended because it is actually bad for the host or silencer, or not recommended because it doesn't suppress as well and is unnecessarily heavy/bulky,
or for some other reason?

mtnbkr
04-04-2016, 03:28 PM
In that case, I will reverse myself.

Buy whatever .22 take apart can floats your boat from an ESTABLISHED maker with a HISTORY of making cans.

Personally, neither of your proposed options meet both those criteria for me, but YMMV.

Isn't Dead Air owned by veterans of the suppressor industry? I'm not sure I'd consider Ruger particularly risky either given their conservative (as in risk-adverse) nature and financing. Neither strike me as a "fly by night" organization.

Not arguing, just not fully clear on the dynamics of the industry and what is considered "risky" vs "safe".

I saw the Dead Air video Saturday morning.

Regarding the SilencerCo Spectre II. That one somehow flew under my radar, but I've added it to my "list". My local dealer can get the Mask for $399 and the Ruger for $369. I need to check on the Spectre II.

Chris

rob_s
04-04-2016, 03:30 PM
Isn't Dead Air owned by veterans of the suppressor industry? I'm not sure I'd consider Ruger particularly risky either given their conservative (as in risk-adverse) nature and financing. Neither strike me as a "fly by night" organization.

Not arguing, just not fully clear on the dynamics of the industry and what is considered "risky" vs "safe".

I thought it was the previous owner and one of the designers ("lead" designer, depending on who you believe) from Silencerco.

In either case, I don't know how stable "previous" or "veterans" makes for a stable company, and while ruger may be a proven company they aren't a proven silencer maker. Now, have the Dead Air guys go over to Ruger and start working there and we might have something! it's really all just personal comfort level, however.

The good news is that .22 can's aren't rocket surgery, so you're unlikely to go wrong in any event.

ReverendMeat
04-04-2016, 06:52 PM
Is it not recommended because it is actually bad for the host or silencer, or not recommended because it doesn't suppress as well and is unnecessarily heavy/bulky,
or for some other reason?

In my limited experience, centerfire cans are noticeably louder on .22s than rimfire cans and on most pistols get in the way of the sights where rimfire cans don't. Not being able to easily clean centerfire cans could be an issue if you shoot a lot of .22 through them.

mtnbkr
01-17-2017, 09:14 PM
Ok, so purchase executed and approved by ATF.

I went with the Ruger. All of the youtube videos and articles indicated it was a good can. Also, it was available at my LGS where the Mask wasn't (last April, with 41f looming), so I took a gamble.

I've had it for not quite two weeks and like it. The first couple mags through it were disappointing, what with a noticeable FRP (with doubled hearing protection at an indoor range) and terrible accuracy (3" groups and keyholing at 20'). However, after 30 rounds or so, the groups returned to their normal size and POI. I don't know what was going on with those first two mags, but it hasn't returned. This weekend, Thing 1 and I took it out into the woods and shot sans hearing protection. It sounds nice and works great. FRP was only a touch louder than subsequent shots, low enough that I'm not sure it *was* louder. Thing 1, a 13yo girl, likes it. We shot hi-vel and standard (subsonic) ammo through it. Audibly, they were the same, but Thing 1 noticed more smoke in the hi-vel stuff. The tone was quite pleasing and most of the noise seemed to be the gun's action and the sound of the rounds hitting the leaves around our target (soda can).

We took it to the range again tonight. FRP still low and groups were the size and POI I would expect from this gun.

I have about 200 rounds through it now. While I'm still a bit disconcerted about those first two mags, I'm happy overall. I suspect it'll be a frequent companion on hikes and hunting trips.

Chris