PDA

View Full Version : Week 157: Dot Torture



Mr_White
03-25-2016, 10:05 AM
Week 157: Dot Torture

Results may be posted until April 25th, 2016.

Let's all remember Todd Louis Green by shooting Dot Torture, a staple drill of every AFHF class. This one's for you, Todd!!!

Designed by: David Blinder
Range: 3 yards, or shooter's choice
Target: Ten 2" circles - download here: http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/dot-torture-target.pdf
Start position: Varies, see below
Rounds fired: 50

The basic distance intended for this drill is 3 yards. You may choose another distance if you want. All 50 hits are required to pass. There is no time limit - this is a primarily a marksmanship drill.

Dot 1: Draw and fire one string of 5 rounds for best group. One hole if possible, total 5 rounds.

Dot 2: Draw and fire 1 shot, holster and repeat x 4, total 5 rounds.

Dots 3 and 4: Draw and fire 1 shot on #3, then 1 shot on #4, holster and repeat x 3, total 8 rounds.

Dot 5: Draw and fire string of 5 rounds, strong hand only, total 5 rounds.

Dots 6 and 7: Draw and fire 2 shots on #6, then 2 on #7, holster, repeat x 4, total 16 rounds.

Dot 8: From ready, fire five shots, weak hand only, total 5 rounds.

Dots 9 and 10: Draw and fire 1 shot on #9, speed reload, fire 1 shot on #10, repeat x 3, total 6 rounds.

Total your hits to determine your final score.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Gun and holster used
Distance
Total score
Pass or fail
Anything you noticed


Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

GAP
03-25-2016, 02:10 PM
Glock 26 Gen 4 - JM Custom IWB3
3 yards
50
Pass

Glock 26 Gen 4 - JM Custom IWB3
5 yards
50
Pass

Glock 26 Gen 4 - JM Custom IWB3
7 yards
48
Fail
Pulled two shots low during a transition round. I need to work on that, specifically with speed. I'm confident I can pass at 7 yards, I just need another try or two. Glock 26 is an awesome shooter. Even more so when you get over the whole two finger grip thing.

Duelist
03-25-2016, 03:34 PM
I have yet to get a pass on one of these, at any distance, with any gun, and if I go a week or more without shooting one, not only does my score get worse, I feel like an addict in need of a hit.

I'll try to get some done today or tomorrow.

backtrail540
03-25-2016, 04:45 PM
I too have never cleaned it. I have cleaned the various strings at one time or another but I always seem to get lazy, anxious, rush, or just plain suck on a shot or two. Unfortunately today was no different.

Glock 17 rtf2, dark star gear aiwb under a fleece

First time
48/50 3yds

I shot the first dot too quick and threw the last shot. WTF!! There is no excuse for that, I was just an idiot. Then I dropped 1 on the who string, which is where I usually lose on the drill.

As penance, I made myself do it again after a little break doing other things. I cleaned the first string, as I should. Then the second. Third, fourth, and fifth no problem. I was getting really anxious at this point because the who string is always my worst. I took my time and concentrated and finished clean. Smooth sailing now. A few 1r1 and done. 1st set clean. 2nd set clean. 3rd set mike and mike......F ME! I feel like the guy who missed the game winning shot...and everybody hates him...most of all himself. I'm going back tomorrow. I am going to clean dot torture this week, i'll shoot it every day if I have to.

2nd time
48/50

scw2
03-26-2016, 09:50 AM
3 yards, CZ 75 sp01 from concealment.

39 / 50

Not much to say, didn't do well. Rushed shots, so just need to shoot within my abilities.

6743

MVS
03-26-2016, 09:58 AM
6744

Gun and holster used G19 w/RMR Fricke AIWB
Distance 6 yds
Total score 49/50
Pass or fail Fail
Anything you noticed Still shake a lot on the WHO. I have cleaned it at 5, so went for 6. Must have just lost concentration toward the end. No real excuse for that dropped shot on the reload.

backtrail540
03-26-2016, 04:28 PM
Glock 17 Rtf 2, dark star gear aiwb under a fleece

50/50 3yds

KeeFus
03-26-2016, 05:13 PM
Gun and holster used: M&P 45 midsize; Safariland ALS 6378
Distance: 3 yards
Total score: 45/50
Pass or fail: Fail
Anything you noticed: haven't really shot any drills in a few months but We've had in-service the past few weeks and I had some down time. Dot 8, weak hand shooting, ate my lunch on this drill. I shot this drill the day TLG passed.

http://i.imgur.com/asVBTGx.jpg

Mitch
03-26-2016, 06:09 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160326/cea0a3fe5c10b3b42f0f3b87b84c65d5.jpg

HK P2000 v2
3 yards
Still waiting on holsters to get here so I shot from low ready when I should have drawn
48/50 FAIL

I tried shooting this clean for Todd, I really did. But my second weak hand shot was the one way out to the right. The firing line at my club is 1/4 mile long and I'm pretty sure everyone heard the obscenity I threw after that. I was so pissed I missed the next one too.

Part of me wants to go back tomorrow morning and clean the MF'er out of principle.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Duelist
03-26-2016, 09:47 PM
Today:
SIG SP2022 9mm, custom leather holster
3 yds
45/50
Failed again.
6759

This is a match to the best score I've had, though, and each dot is cleaner (except 8 & 10, which look about normal for what would be half the dots). And it's much better than last week's dot drill with the 3913 I was carrying that day.

DEG
03-27-2016, 07:37 PM
Gun and holster used: Gen4 Glock 17, JMCK appendix, Magpul mags in Fricke carrier, all concealed under sweatshirt
Distance: 7 yards
Total score: 49/50
Pass or fail: Fail
Anything you noticed: I love this drill and it felt pretty good at this distance today. I had one outside the three ring that was so close! Gave it my best, but was pushing most of the shots to the left of the circles. Today was one of those exciting Kansas days where it snowed in the morning then warmed up to t-shirt weather in the early afternoon.

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h370/doctor_science/46763130-DE1B-4AC7-ABC3-8EF53FA20FC8.jpg

GAP
03-27-2016, 09:43 PM
Nice shooting, this is where it gets hairy.

Are the parameters for a "hit" set in stone, or does it just depend on the shooter?

As an example, I only count a hit if I break the black line. :confused:

Mr_White
03-28-2016, 01:35 PM
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h370/doctor_science/46763130-DE1B-4AC7-ABC3-8EF53FA20FC8.jpg

From the way the picture looks, I'd have counted all those as hits. I think the most standard scoring convention in shooting is that if the grease ring touches a scoring line, it counts as in, not out. As far as I know, TLG was an adherent to the standard convention.

Great shooting DEG!

bigslim
03-28-2016, 04:15 PM
Gun and holster used: G19 Gen 4, RCS Phantom Light Bearing, IWB
Distance: 4 yards
Total score: 50
Pass or fail: Pass
Anything you noticed: I surprised myself with one.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1672/26073999836_e348519ce7_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FJ54Kj)IMG_2201 (https://flic.kr/p/FJ54Kj) by Mike Baumann (https://www.flickr.com/photos/140461953@N06/), on Flickr

Mike

DEG
03-28-2016, 06:45 PM
Found this - scoring discussed by ToddG:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1973-Week-3-Dot-Torture

Any bullet that clearly touches the scoring line of the intended target circle is counted as a hit.

Luke
03-28-2016, 07:39 PM
Found this - scoring discussed by ToddG:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1973-Week-3-Dot-Torture

Any bullet that clearly touches the scoring line of the intended target circle is counted as a hit.

Post 21 is his and goes into detail about it aswell.

GAP
03-28-2016, 08:07 PM
Thanks for the link and explanation. I've been waaaaaay hard on myself after seeing the targets in that post! I wasn't even counting anything touching the outside of the line. I'll give 7 yards another go on Saturday and post the target.

bigslim
03-29-2016, 03:23 PM
Gun and holster used: Sig Sauer SP2022, Sig factory OWB
Distance: 3 yards
Total score: 45
Pass or fail: Fail

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1584/26024202962_ed2161b142_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FDEQSw)IMG_2207 (https://flic.kr/p/FDEQSw) by Mike Baumann (https://www.flickr.com/photos/140461953@N06/), on Flickr

Mike

Duelist
03-29-2016, 06:20 PM
Good to see someone else using a 2022.

bigslim
03-30-2016, 12:15 AM
Good to see someone else using a 2022.

I just picked it up on Monday and today was the first 150 rounds down range with it. I made some notes on the other DoTW but I guess I should use my training journal to document the switch over from the G19.

Mike

41magfan
03-30-2016, 08:34 AM
Thanks for the link and explanation. I've been waaaaaay hard on myself after seeing the targets in that post! I wasn't even counting anything touching the outside of the line. I'll give 7 yards another go on Saturday and post the target.

As a general rule, I score my targets critically on purpose because it tends to make me work harder. A "breaking the line" standard makes this a 46/50, but using the standard NRA scoring rule of "touching" the scoring line yields a score of 48/50.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/910/1FnQim.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pa1FnQimj)


For me personally, I feel like I've accomplished a wee bit more when a clean score is immediately recognizable.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/633/MHNoYX.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/hlMHNoYXj)

GregB
03-30-2016, 01:41 PM
Gun and holster used: P226 9MM, no holster.
Distance: 3 YRD.
Total score: 50/50
Pass or fail: Pass
Anything you noticed: My DA shots were better than my SA shots, I guess more time on the sights.

EMC
03-30-2016, 02:37 PM
Gun: Glock17 gen4
Distance: 3 yards
Score: 49/50
Fail

GAP
04-01-2016, 04:43 PM
Not April fools.. :)
Glock 26 Gen 4 - JM Custom IWB3
7 yards
50/50
Pass
I'll try 8 yards tomorrow if it doesn't rain.

6918

DEG
04-01-2016, 07:24 PM
That's some good shooting!

Kevin B.
04-02-2016, 06:22 PM
Glock 17 with KKM barrel
Speer 147-grain Gold Dot
Safariland 6354
10 yards
50/50
6946

Mitch
04-02-2016, 06:40 PM
Glock 17 with KKM barrel
Speer 147-grain Gold Dot
Safariland 6354
10 yards
50/50
6946

Dude...respect. Very nice job.

Luke
04-02-2016, 07:29 PM
Glock 17 with KKM barrel
Speer 147-grain Gold Dot
Safariland 6354
10 yards
50/50
6946


Even though it was just quoted, I wanted to quote it again in case this brought it to the second page. That is AMAZING!! What kind of pace were you shooting at? I think I remember TLG saying his clean 10 yard run(s) took like 30 minutes

Mr_White
04-03-2016, 10:43 PM
Not April fools.. :)
Glock 26 Gen 4 - JM Custom IWB3
7 yards
50/50
Pass
I'll try 8 yards tomorrow if it doesn't rain.

6918


Glock 17 with KKM barrel
Speer 147-grain Gold Dot
Safariland 6354
10 yards
50/50
6946

That is awesome! You guys are really good shots.

GAP
04-04-2016, 10:55 AM
Thank you - now I want to complete it at 10 with my G26, the heck with 8!

LOL you guys push me to improve, thank you for that.

scw2
04-04-2016, 12:07 PM
Do you guys push the pace or do you tend to go really slow to make sure you get your hits? At the extreme end, one could wait so long after drawing or transitioning or letting the gun settle in recoil that it basically becomes the same as shooting Dot 1. What balance do you recommend? I would like to clean the dot torture, but obviously don't want to 'game' it to do so, as that would probably be pointless and self defeating.

BCL
04-04-2016, 12:28 PM
Do you guys push the pace or do you tend to go really slow to make sure you get your hits? At the extreme end, one could wait so long after drawing or transitioning or letting the gun settle in recoil that it basically becomes the same as shooting Dot 1. What balance do you recommend? I would like to clean the dot torture, but obviously don't want to 'game' it to do so, as that would probably be pointless and self defeating.

There is no time limit whatsoever for Dot Torture. Given it's a heavily accuracy-focused drill, I would take the time you need to get the hits.

Luke
04-04-2016, 12:32 PM
Do you guys push the pace or do you tend to go really slow to make sure you get your hits? At the extreme end, one could wait so long after drawing or transitioning or letting the gun settle in recoil that it basically becomes the same as shooting Dot 1. What balance do you recommend? I would like to clean the dot torture, but obviously don't want to 'game' it to do so, as that would probably be pointless and self defeating.


This is what I wanna know aswell. I've asked a few times (not just in this thread) the speed people use and it always varies or you never get a reply. id like to see a video of some of the better runs (5yd+ clean) of them shooting a few dots. Seems like that's the only way to tell.

Kevin B.
04-04-2016, 12:56 PM
I shoot it as fast as I can get hits. My pace at 3 or 5 yards is different than my pace at 10 yards.

Kevin B.
04-04-2016, 12:58 PM
That is awesome! You guys are really good shots.

That is quite a compliment. Thanks.

JAD
04-04-2016, 01:01 PM
P30v1, Milt Sparxx EX-RSO (concealed)
4y
48
Fail
Misses were on 6 and 8. Not terribly normal places for a miss.

Mr_White
04-04-2016, 03:26 PM
That is quite a compliment. Thanks.

Kevin, I really mean it. I am very impressed with how you and GAP did on this drill, TLG in the past - basically anyone cleaning it at 7 + yards is very burly. Raw accuracy and mental discipline requirements for that are huge. I haven't shot Dot Torture in quite a while and I know I've never cleaned it at that kind of distance. Maybe it's time to try again. Anyway, different shooter strengths and all that. I personally find something like this extremely challenging. Any drill where you have to maintain mental interest and arousal across lengthy, repetitive, untimed tasks usually sees me get disinterested and make mistakes out of lack of attention even if not technical skill (and I make those mistakes too.) My hat's off to you guys!

GAP
04-04-2016, 04:03 PM
Gabe, thanks again for the kind words.

It's crazy to think where my abilities were before I joined this site.

Pace = somewhere in the middle of the road where I'm not obviously gaming it, but not rushing it either. My focus is on sight alignment and trigger pull. I don't use this drill to train speed. At 5+ yards it would be virtually impossible to go fast while shooting at 2" dots for 50 occurrences.

Dot Torture is the perfect name for this drill. I find it extremely "torturous" or mentally taxing. I am literally concentrating so hard that I doubt I could do it more than twice in a row from 7+ yards.

Mr_White
04-04-2016, 04:09 PM
It's crazy to think where my abilities were before I joined this site.

Very awesome to hear you say THAT!

scw2
04-04-2016, 04:22 PM
Pace = somewhere in the middle of the road where I'm not obviously gaming it, but not rushing it either. My focus is on sight alignment and trigger pull. I don't use this drill to train speed. At 5+ yards it would be virtually impossible to go fast while shooting at 2" dots for 50 occurrences.

Dot Torture is the perfect name for this drill. I find it extremely "torturous" or mentally taxing. I am literally concentrating so hard that I doubt I could do it more than twice in a row from 7+ yards.

Thanks, I'm clearly shooting too fast based on my score, but your explanation of pace makes sense to me and I will give that a shot next range trip.

MVS
04-04-2016, 06:19 PM
Do you guys push the pace or do you tend to go really slow to make sure you get your hits? At the extreme end, one could wait so long after drawing or transitioning or letting the gun settle in recoil that it basically becomes the same as shooting Dot 1. What balance do you recommend? I would like to clean the dot torture, but obviously don't want to 'game' it to do so, as that would probably be pointless and self defeating.

I don't think there is any "gaming" involved on this drill (well unless you shoot it so close that it isn't hard). I have shot it in two classes. The first with TLG teaching. I did very poorly, in large part because I shot too fast. Todd's advice to me and all the others who didn't pass (most of the class) was to slow down. The next time I did the test in a class was with Dave Spaulding, I was the only one to pass it. That is directly attributable to having did so poorly on it in Todd's class.

ReverendMeat
04-04-2016, 07:03 PM
7009

Gun: SIG SP2022 9mm, from ready (waiting on holster from JMCK)
7 yards
44/50...ish
Fail

The range I went to doesn't allow shooting closer than 7 yards so I had to try my luck well past a distance that I'm comfortable with. I surprised (shocked, even) myself with the SHO but the wheels really came off with the WHO. Also I'm not big into the idea of using gear to make excuses for lack of skill but I think I need different sights on the gun.

xmanhockey7
04-05-2016, 04:21 PM
Nighthawk Shadow Hawk 9mm with RMR. Mimicked drawing from holster as I do not have a holster yet.
3 yards
41/50
FAIL
Overall shot awful today. Maybe it was the cold weather. Maybe it was the fact I wasn't feeling 100%. Maybe I just suck. Shot this too fast. Also was anticipating recoil bad and dropped a lot of shots. One round on dot 10 was almost entirely off paper low. Something about the RMR makes me want to go fast. No excuses. I SUCKED!

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z371/xmanhockey7/E3248BDE-1084-4E26-B67B-8E255DA86E5A.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/xmanhockey7/media/E3248BDE-1084-4E26-B67B-8E255DA86E5A.jpg.html)

Wobblie
04-07-2016, 05:13 PM
7090HK USP Expert .40, JIT scabbard for a SIG 229 (makin' do)
Three yards
41
Fail
My weak hand shooting really sucks.

The Expert is V9, SA no decock.

GRV
04-08-2016, 03:25 PM
G17 Gen4, JRC AIWB-CDA-II, JM AIWB-SPMP, t-shirt, concealed

FAIL



Dot Torture: 35 @ 7 yds

I didn't take the time to slow my mind down before this drill, and it resulted in a number of hastily took shots. However, I did a better job of not agonizing over each shot, and just taking it as they looked right instead of wasting time trying to make the sight picture absolutely perfect. I need to figure out how to keep that approach while still not getting hasty and throwing shots.

SHO and WHO (#5 and #8) were very bad as usual. I also had very little patience on these, and would have benefitted from stopping myself. I still have a long ways to go in the discipline department here, but fortunately I'm going to be getting some relevant training here soon. I was especially impatient on #8. Also notable, on #8, my sights were shaking a lot. I wonder if I need a different arm/hand position. I also wonder if I'm just not doing a good enough job of executing the same program I execute in dryfire.

7079
(I made an error in marking this up. The low hit on #5 is in fact a hit on #5, not a miss from #8.)

HopetonBrown
04-09-2016, 05:33 AM
Gun and holster used: G3G17. Okay, this is pretty funny. I forgot my holster, and the range only had a Blackhawk Serpa. All the other Glock holsters were either left handed or for G19s. It was my first time ever using one of them. I really hate them with a passion.
Distance 5 yards
Total score 45/50
Pass or fail F
Anything you noticed My first shot of the night was low out of the first circle, and a harbinger for things to come. Threw 2 out SHO, and another 2 on the last dot. Hadn't shot this in at least 6 months.


7114

JAD
04-09-2016, 12:22 PM
P30v1, milt sparks executive companion, jacket
3y
50 pass

See my training journal for how many false starts and remedial actions it took to get there. What a soup sandwich.

FOG
04-09-2016, 02:49 PM
Vp9, bladetech eclipse

5 yd

47/50

My best at 5 yds is 49/50 so I really wanted to clean it this time. Got off to a good start then got mad over a very close miss at #7, lost concentration and proceeded to throw 2 out on #8. I timed myself out of curiosity, total time was right at 14 minutes.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160409/b710c691030e6898af86d9402c6d2774.jpg





Sent from my SM-G900R4 using Tapatalk

Mitch
04-09-2016, 10:17 PM
Tried this again at 3 yards.

HK P2000
Safariland OWB

48/50 FAIL

Target looks clean, but it's not. I dropped one on 8 (went into number 9), and one on 10. I rushed those shots, I shouldn't have dropped them. I ran this first thing at the range, too, so I really have no excuse for losing focus that early.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160410/40173d156903dd30eb0b7cc2354de248.jpg

Duelist
04-09-2016, 11:26 PM
7129

This started so well. Ah, well. Blacked out the rear sight dots on the siglite night sights, and found it easier to focus on the front sight dot. Got better groups overall, but it didn't keep me from dropping shots. Especially the one on dot 9, since my boy decided to call out to me just as I broke the shot.

SIG SP2022 9mm, custom leather holster, 3 yards.

tanner
04-14-2016, 09:24 AM
My first contribution to this part of the forum... Here goes.

Try #1:

S&W 640PRO. Detroit Holsters - 8 Mile holster
3 yards
45/50
Fail
I noticed that this drill is harder than it looks. Excellent though, I appreciated the immediate feedback for bad trigger presses. My five misses were spread out over the Draw fire 1, SHO, Draw fire 1 and fire 1, WHO and draw fire 2 and fire 2.

I then ran it again for try #2:

Glock 19 Gen4 w/Trijicon HDs. Detroit Holsters - Woodward holster
3 yards
49/50
Fail
I noticed the laughing behind me after I started cursing at the top of my lungs when I missed the one SHO shot.


Excellent drill. Mad at myself for not trying it sooner.

JCS
04-14-2016, 01:40 PM
Gonna try this one this weekend. Never tried it before and I'm quite sure I'll post the worst score in the thread but it'll help me grow.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Mr_White
04-14-2016, 04:47 PM
Worst scores/bad scores are not very important. Getting 'on the mat' so to speak, by doing the drill is way, way, way more important.

:)

jdesro
04-15-2016, 10:43 AM
Tried this yesterday.

Gun and holster used: S&W M&P 9mm JMCK AWIB
Distance: 5 yrds
Total score: 50/50
Pass or fail: Pass
Anything you noticed: This was my second time shooting Dot Torture, first time at 5 yrds. I may go out to 7 yrds this weekend and give that a try.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1442/26378556071_7b88c55b44_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GbYZGT)IMG_0248 (https://flic.kr/p/GbYZGT) by John (https://www.flickr.com/photos/38080719@N08/), on Flickr

Range1
04-15-2016, 07:38 PM
Completed on April 15, 2016
Used a Glock 22 with 9 mm conversion
Distance was 3 yards
Score 50/50, additional holes on target were from a previous drill.
Pass

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/Range1826/Week%20157%20Dot%20Torture%20_zpshn8fdoeo.jpg (http://s566.photobucket.com/user/Range1826/media/Week%20157%20Dot%20Torture%20_zpshn8fdoeo.jpg.html )

eyemahm
04-16-2016, 04:53 AM
40/50
7 yds

Hk Usp 9mm lem (new 125 tritium front, 125 Dawson competition rear) from a Ccc shaggy.

Shooting this drill for the first time with a new front sight and was testing its Poi. Pretty happy with it. Less happy with my shooting.. DT for me is the sort of drill for which the scores are directly related to mood/stress level etc so suffice to say I didn't have high expectations when I ran it that day. Also shooting it with the USP instead of the USP Expert is definitely more challenging (most noticeable on SHO and WHO); I'd estimate my scores are 2-4 hits different.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160416/21068b6b38afc45365f3df5561f05a81.jpg

JCS
04-16-2016, 12:12 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160416/8f76b391e857ece0d52df3dbcff0d97a.jpg
I shot it this morning using my 19 at 3yds. If it touched the line I didn't count it. I just made my own target because I don't have a printer. I used a 2" circle and traced around it with sharpie. Hopefully next time I can use the real one. 45/50 was better than I expected. I went very slow. I'm gonna push it out to 5 yds next time.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

jdesro
04-16-2016, 12:58 PM
I think you are being a little too critical of yourself by not counting the shots that touch the line. According to the rules of Dot Torture, any bullet that clearly touches the scoring line of the intended target circle is counted as a hit (see post #16 of this thread).

Even though you are not using an "official" target, if your dots are a measured 2" diameter I see no reason why you should not count the hits that touch a line.

Taking this into consideration, it looks to me like you scored a 49/50.

Duelist
04-16-2016, 09:53 PM
I think you are being a little too critical of yourself by not counting the shots that touch the line. According to the rules of Dot Torture, any bullet that clearly touches the scoring line of the intended target circle is counted as a hit (see post #16 of this thread).

Even though you are not using an "official" target, if your dots are a measured 2" diameter I see no reason why you should not count the hits that touch a line.

Taking this into consideration, it looks to me like you scored a 49/50.

That's how I'd score it. Nicely done!

Duelist
04-16-2016, 10:10 PM
Shot this two more times today.

First up, I decided to see how well I can really do with it, so I got out my old Ruger MKII and some CCI Mini Mags. No holster, and only one magazine, so I started each "draw" from a compressed ready, and on the reload between 9 & 10, pulled the magazine and re-inserted it.

Still at 3 yards, my best score ever at 47/50 - failed. Again. But better is better, and practice is good.
7307

Then, it was time for my older 3913. This gun owns the worst, most embarrassing iteration of the DT, and it was time for it to redeem itself - or for me to redeem myself. Whatever.

S&W 3913, custom horsehide OWB holster, from concealment (untucked shirt)
3 yards
46/50
Fail
This gun now owns both my best and worst center fire DT score: improved over the Sig by 1 point.

7308

What I noticed: I actually noticed significant things today: every time I dropped a shot, I knew it as I completed the trigger press, before the shot actually fired, before the recoil started. There was no question - each time I said "oops," there was a dropped shot. No mysteries, no questions.

I should really start a training journal. Maybe that's too pretensious for me, though.

Clobbersaurus
04-17-2016, 09:18 AM
So there is a little bit of controversy on this one and I'll leave it to the membership to decide.

Beretta Elite II, OWB
4 Yards
50? 49?

Here's the target. This were going well and I have never actually cleaned a dot torture target before. The last target is where I'm a little concerned. I only see two holes in the target. I called the shot as a hit but I can't find a hole anywhere inside or outside the ring. On closer inspection I suspect there may be two bullets through the top hole. I'll leave it to the membership here to judge...

http://i.imgur.com/hzClDTrl.jpg

The top hole is the one I question. Does it look slightly elongated?
http://i.imgur.com/D9Q50pUl.jpg

The back of the target. Does the left hole look slightly elongated as well? Thoughts??
http://i.imgur.com/FuzUD7Ql.jpg

Duelist
04-17-2016, 11:03 AM
Clob, I agree - that is a double hit. Congrats!

Wobblie
04-17-2016, 11:50 AM
I vote double also.

Clobbersaurus
04-17-2016, 11:51 AM
Thanks, guys!

DEG
04-17-2016, 12:25 PM
Gave this a go at 10 yards.

Gen4 17, Fricke appendix holster concealed under a t-shirt.

Failed with a 46/50, but I was super pleased with the one handed dots.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160417/a3335da995618510ef9f61a8b3578d5e.jpg

BobM
04-17-2016, 01:14 PM
Ran this twice yesterday T 3 yards. I hadn't done any meaningful pistol shooting for months. First run was my issued M&P40/TLR out of my duty rig. Score was 48. I dropped the first shot on #5 and one on #6.
I then ran it with my infrequently shot Glock 19 out of a Sparks Summer Special. This time I passed. I'm probably going to put better sights on it and get a Kydex IWB.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

jdesro
04-17-2016, 07:04 PM
Tried this again today at 7 yards

Gun and holster used: S&W M&P 9mm JMCK AIWB
Distance: 7 yds
Total score: 45/50
Pass or fail: FAIL
Anything you noticed:

Missed my first shot right from the start, so I knew right off the bat this would be a big, fat fail. WHO stage threw my first shot way wide - off the target and into the backer. Last shot WHO I called it good, but I can't seem to find it on the target. One of the holes in dot 8 is clearly a double, but that still leaves one shot missing (all other shots are acounted for). Like I said, I called it good, so unless it went through the elongated hole I have no idea where else it might have gone. Because it is not obvious enough where it might have gone, I an going to count it as a miss.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1708/26219379410_b6d05bccaf_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FWVb2G)IMG_0249 (https://flic.kr/p/FWVb2G) by John (https://www.flickr.com/photos/38080719@N08/), on Flickr

Doc_Glock
04-22-2016, 01:43 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160422/119f12f489c3393b3fe59bbc846b80c3.jpg

Try one Glock 19 44/50. Weak hand is bad.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160422/f9db6439a8b486405f2b7fea4479c09a.jpg

Try two Walther PPQ. 46/50. Rushed a bit in the transition segment.

Luke
04-23-2016, 11:36 AM
7 yards 47/50

P320 in production rig.


Started off strong and finished weak lol. My vision in my dominant eye was very blurry towards the end.. So much focus!

The 5'oclock hit on dot #2 belongs on dot #5 (SHO). Really sad I threw that one.. It was looking so good.

The misses on 7&9 were just me going to fast :(

What's off is any dots that required a transition, I was always more accurate on the first dot then the second.. Not sure what that means.

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp81/hook_setter/AA9A1566-8E06-442F-B6CC-5B33B54FE66B_zpsul6jmebi.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/user/hook_setter/media/AA9A1566-8E06-442F-B6CC-5B33B54FE66B_zpsul6jmebi.jpg.html)

Mickey
04-24-2016, 06:30 PM
Glock 34 using a comp-tac paddle
Distance 3 yards
Pass
I will post more in my training journal about how this went for me.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/gunslinger171/image_zpswkossu1y.jpeg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gunslinger171/media/image_zpswkossu1y.jpeg.html)

Felt pretty good so I tried it again at 5 yards
48/50
Fail
I will post more about this in my training journal
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/gunslinger171/image_zps5oxjwbvc.jpeg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gunslinger171/media/image_zps5oxjwbvc.jpeg.html)