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Mr_White
03-18-2016, 09:45 AM
Week 156: F.A.S.T.

Results may be posted until April 18th, 2016.

Let's all remember Todd Louis Green by shooting the FAST! This one's for you, Todd!!!

Designed by: Todd Louis Green
Range: 7 yards
Target: 8" circle and 3x5 card (see http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/fast-target.pdf for a downloadable target; this target must be printed on an 8.5x14 "legal" sheet of paper)
Start position: concealed, hands relaxed at sides (see below for alternatives)
Rounds fired: 18

Pistol begins with exactly two rounds in the gun. Draw should be from underneath legitimate concealment (see below for alternatives). Arms must be relaxed with hands at your sides (not on the gun).

1. On the buzzer, draw and fire two rounds at the 3x5 card.
2. Reload from slidelock/empty gun.
3. Fire four rounds to the 8" circle.

Repeat for a total of three runs (18 rounds).

Do not fire extra rounds. Shots intended for the 3x5 that hit the 8", or vice versa, count as misses.

Scoring is as follows:

Total time + 2s penalty for each 3x5 shot missed, + 1s penalty for each 8" shot missed

The FAST is intended to be shot from legitimate concealment or with a duty/retention holster. Even when shot with a duty holster, start position is arms at sides (not "interview" stance). Score is modified as follows based on carry method:

Concealed: no penalty

Retention holster with closed (snap or velcro) mag pouches: 0.5 second bonus (subtraction) per 6-shot run

Retention holster with open top mag pouches: no penalty or bonus

ALS, SERPA, or Thumb Drive (or similar) holster without concealment: 0.5 second penalty (addition) per 6-shot run

Open top holster without concealment: 3 second penalty (addition) per 6-shot run

If your range does not allow drawing from a holster, begin with the gun on a table with no round in the chamber (two in the magazine). On the start signal, pick up the gun, rack the slide, and shoot the drill. Reload from underneath concealment.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Starting position (concealed, duty, open holster, or table start)
Type of holster (if applicable)
Time and hits for string 1
Time and hits for string 2
Time and hits for string 3
Aggregate score
Anything you noticed


Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

Range1
03-18-2016, 10:34 AM
Hope it is okay that I actually fired this on Tuesday for the same reason you stated.

Pistol: Glock 22 with 9mm conversion, Defoor sights (black rear, painted front), open front vest
Starting position: Concealed
Type of holster: Safariland ALS OWB
Time and hits for string 1: 8.09 Clean 6 hits
Time and hits for string 2: 7.61 Clean 6 hits
Time and hits for string 3: 7.08 Clean 6 hits
Aggregate score: 22.78
Anything you noticed: Accuracy was good, now need to work on speeding up and trimming time where I can - draw, reloads and sight acquisition. I think dry fire has been paying off some.

Photo is here: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?15886-Range1-Training-Journal&p=419936&viewfull=1#post419936

167
03-18-2016, 12:41 PM
Shot this yesterday.

Pistol: S&W SD9VE
Start Position: Concealed under t-shirt
Type of Holster: Theis Holster IWB
Time/Hits for 1st Attempt:5.26/-1H, -1B (8.26)
Time/Hits for 2nd Attempt:5.42/Clean
Time/Hits for 3rd Attempt:5.13/Clean
Aggregate Score (w/penalties): 18.81
Notes: Grip the gun hard, work on reloads.

I only shoot this drill once or twice a year and use it to track performance improvements. I last shot it in January of 2015 and my fastest clean run was 5.81.

JohnK
03-19-2016, 09:54 AM
Heading out right now. Hopefully I'll make Todd proud!

Sean O
03-20-2016, 03:07 PM
Thanks for this Gabe!

Todd was by far the largest influence on my shooting, and although I don't normally post in these threads I would like to this time in honor of him.

Pistol: Glock 19
Start Position: Concealed AIWB
Type of Holster: JM AIWB
Time/Hits for 1st Attempt: 4.48 / Clean
Time/Hits for 2nd Attempt: 4.33 / Clean
Time/Hits for 3rd Attempt: 4.29 / Clean
Aggregate Score (w/penalties): 13.1
Notes: I tend to hesitate and get a better sight picture than is needed on my first draw of the day, always costing me a couple tenths of a second. Something I need to work on for sure.

RIP - TLG

LittleLebowski
03-20-2016, 04:44 PM
Shot this yesterday during the excellent GreenOps Defensive Pistol class (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19448-Defensive-Pistol-I-Class-Culpeper) and...I sucked out loud. 6.5seconds, 2 misses, then another that was around 6.7 with one miss (I think). Anyway, the entire class did a F.A.S.T. volley after running the test in memory of Todd. I did redeem myself on another class evaluation/test.

http://i.imgur.com/7cW68M9.jpg

Mr_White
03-21-2016, 05:35 PM
Thanks for this Gabe!

Todd was by far the largest influence on my shooting, and although I don't normally post in these threads I would like to this time in honor of him.

Pistol: Glock 19
Start Position: Concealed AIWB
Type of Holster: JM AIWB
Time/Hits for 1st Attempt: 4.48 / Clean
Time/Hits for 2nd Attempt: 4.33 / Clean
Time/Hits for 3rd Attempt: 4.29 / Clean
Aggregate Score (w/penalties): 13.1
Notes: I tend to hesitate and get a better sight picture than is needed on my first draw of the day, always costing me a couple tenths of a second. Something I need to work on for sure.

RIP - TLG

You're welcome! But Tom_Jones asked for the FAST to be next before I got around to thinking of it myself, so he probably deserves the thanks.

And great shooting!!!

Mr_White
03-21-2016, 05:54 PM
Gen3 G34, concealed in a Keeper under a t-shirt

Cold Runs
Time and hits for string 1 - 4.08: 1.21, .44 / 1.72 / .24, .24, .23
Time and hits for string 2 - 4.44: 1.26, .45 / 2.04 / .24, .23, .22
Time and hits for string 3 - 7.85 (-2H): 1.25, .39 / 1.58 / .21, .21, .21
Aggregate score: 16.37
Anything you noticed: I had kind of a FAST-Festivus yesterday. I've got a lot of problems with how I did on this, and now you are going to hear about it. Felt like I should have been faster and at least as clean. The two dropped head shots were around half an inch under the 3x5, ugh. Need to take the time to practice slidelock reloads again. For some time now, I have just been doing in-battery reloads in dry practice because they are vastly easier to set up and many more reps can be done. But I need to do some slidelock ones too. I seem to have gotten slower on the FAST compared to where I was last time I spent much time on it. That probably makes sense, actually, because I have mostly been focusing on integrating shooting with movement and barriers, and generally working on the on-demand aspect of my performance, rather than trying to high-fly stand and shoot stuff. I'm definitely going to try these cold again soon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX7O3hiWggc

Also did some bonus variations because fun.

Three Micro FASTs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnIfgNKAQfM

Two FASTs on USPSA Metric targets later in the day:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OT_rJdKUxY

Two FASTs on the move:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2_IQKUMh6I

Three warmed up regular FASTs I shot interspersed with all this other stuff:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u14npVjLxnw

Time and hits for string 1 - 3.44: 1.01, .24 / 1.56 / .23, .20, .20
Time and hits for string 2 - 3.78: 1.13, .30 / 1.73 / .20, .22, .20
Time and hits for string 3 - 4.49 (-1B): 1.04, .29 / 1.52 / .22, .22, .20
Aggregate score: 11.71

backtrail540
03-21-2016, 06:44 PM
RTF 2 glock 17, dawson sights
Dark Star Gear aiwb concealed under a fleece

5.47 - 1.89, .53, 2.26, .26, .27, .26 clean
5.42 - 1.94, .52, 2.26, .25, .25, .20 clean
5.10 - 1.9, .48, 2.02, .25, .25, .20 clean

15.99 aggregate

My goal was only to run them clean for Todd. It turns out two of the runs were PR's, my previous was 5.44. I really stepped my dry fire game up over the winter and it apparently payed off. The DSG rig is slick as well.


RIP Todd. Thank you for all that you have done for the shooting world and the indirect influence you had on me as well.

bigslim
03-21-2016, 07:13 PM
Starting position: Concealed under a tee shirt
Type of holster: Raven Phantom Light Bearing IWB
Time and hits for string 1: 9.77 -1H
2.49 .71 3.66 .32 .31 .28
Time and hits for string 2: 7.77 C
2.47 .75 3.28 .49 .42 .36
Time and hits for string 3: 8.11 C
2.39 .63 4.03 .41 .33 .32
Aggregate score: 25.65 17/18

Time and hits for string 1: 8.90 -1H
2.22 .61 2.97 .41 .34 .35
Time and hits for string 2: 10.01 -1H
2.30 .67 3.99 .37 .36 .32
Time and hits for string 3: 7.07 C
2.27 .63 3.11 .38 .34 .34
Aggregate score: 25.98 16/18

Mike

Mr_White
03-24-2016, 12:27 PM
Tried again. Two cold, did a couple other things, then last one warmed up.

Gen3 G34, concealed in a Keeper under a polo shirt
Time and hits for string 1: 3.67: 1.05, .30 / 1.65 / .23, .22, .22
Time and hits for string 2: 3.64: 1.07, .31 / 1.58 / .24, .21, .23
Time and hits for string 3: 3.64: 1.06, .35 / 1.56 / .23, .22, .22
Aggregate score: 10.95
Anything you noticed: Pretty consistent this time!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY3pOZGXt90

bigslim
03-24-2016, 05:44 PM
Starting position: Concealed under a tee shirt
Type of holster: Raven Phantom Light Bearing IWB
Time and hits for string 1: 9.11 -1H
2.34 .61 3.08 .40 .35 .33
Time and hits for string 2: 12.72 -2H
2.39 .60 4.50 .46 .39 .38
Time and hits for string 3: 9.00 -1B
2.54 .63 3.25 .39 .36 .33
Aggregate score: 30.83 14/18

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1492/25411278393_ccd48f3506_z.jpg

Mike

ST911
03-25-2016, 08:13 PM
Fired cold from duty gear, Glock 34 9mm, Safariland 6390 holster (w/ ALS guard), open top 79 mag pouch.
5.61, -1H = 7.61
5.20, -1H -1B = 8.20
5.63, clean
Aggregate: 21.30
Noticed: missed head shots were the first round.

Fired 7 more runs for 10 total, with about the same results. Best run: 5.02 C (1.95, .47, 1.98, .22, .19, .21)

scw2
03-26-2016, 09:49 AM
From concealment, cz 75 sp 01

String 1: 2.36, 0.85, 2.69, 0.47, 0.43, 0.40 = 7.20 - 1H
String 2: 2.19, 0.98, 3.04, 0.36, 0.39, 0.33 = 7.29 clean
String 3: 1.89, 0.58, 3.51, 0.43, 0.32, 0.32 = 7.05 -1H -2B - fumbled reload bad due to extra long shirt, rushed rest of shots and showed in times and misses

total 25.54

First two strings weren't TOO bad, but need to work on reload and draws, and not rushing even if I fumble one thing so the rest doesn't fall apart. Also really liked that the two headshots in string 2 were touching.

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Clobbersaurus
03-26-2016, 06:21 PM
Here are my lacklustre scores. I had not shot for three weeks, I have not been training from concealment, and I have not training slide lock reloads. It showed.

Starting position: under a knit shirt
Type of holster: JMCK AIWB, Beretta 92D Centurion
Time and hits for string 1: 6.32 +4H = 10.32 (1.99, .87, 2.44, .34, .35, .33)
Time and hits for string 2: 7.55 +2H = 9.55 (2.50, .70, 3.27, .35, .36, .37) - badly fumbled the reload.
Time and hits for string 3: 7.50 clean (1.94, .81, 3.92, .29, .29, .25) During the reload the mag holder came off my belt, I had not attached it properly I guess and I had to use the trigger guard to extract the mag holder from the mag, then insert....ugg.)
Aggregate score: 27.42:mad:
Anything you noticed: The FAST easily highlights lack of training on the specific skills that it's made off. Not happy. I'm going to add in one day of training from concealment every week, just so I'm not so damn rusty come fall/no-match time.

1st cold:
http://i.imgur.com/yEdBa3Yl.jpg

2nd:
http://i.imgur.com/UnIgMiql.jpg

3rd:
http://i.imgur.com/DAzhlILl.jpg

bigslim
03-28-2016, 04:14 PM
Starting position: Concealed under a tee shirt
Type of holster: Raven Phantom Light Bearing IWB
Time and hits for string 1: 7.59 C
2.33 1.03 3.06 .43 .37 .37
Time and hits for string 2: 7.04 C
2.18 .58 3.31 .33 .33 .31
Time and hits for string 3: 7.00 C
2.37 .69 2.90 .36 .33 .35
Aggregate score: 21.63 18/18

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1520/25827097680_7757169b9d_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FmfCkA)IMG_2204 (https://flic.kr/p/FmfCkA) by Mike Baumann (https://www.flickr.com/photos/140461953@N06/), on Flickr

Mike

bigslim
03-29-2016, 03:22 PM
Sig Sauer SP2022
Starting position: “Concealed” under a tee shirt
Type of holster: Sig factory OWB
Time and hits for string 1: 13.04 -1H
2.51 .84 4.45 .56 1.87 (Rode Decocker) .81
Time and hits for string 2: 12.45 C
2.73 2.46 (Rode Decocker) 4.43 .59 .59 .65
Time and hits for string 3: 11.49 -1H
2.75 .90 4.11 .58 .55 .60
Aggregate score: 36.98 16/18
Anything you noticed: Reloads are terrible and while I only had an issue with the slide not locking back once, I rode the decocker twice. There are a couple extra head shot because I dropped the reload.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1628/25514105063_314a65b66a_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ESAsxa)IMG_2209 (https://flic.kr/p/ESAsxa) by Mike Baumann (https://www.flickr.com/photos/140461953@N06/), on Flickr

Mike

scw2
04-02-2016, 09:19 PM
CZ75 from concealment

String 1: 3.10, 1.04, 2.56, 0.48, 0.35, 0.29 = 7.82C
String 2: 2.57, 1.07, 2.43, 0.48, 0.47, 0.46 = 7.48 - 1H = 9.48
String 3: 3.82, 0.81, 2.44, 0.36, 0.31, 0.29 = 7.26 C

Tried shooting this clean, and as a result only dropped one shot this time. Even when I really fumbled my draw on the 3rd string I didn't rush it to make a time.
My draws were terrible, need to work on this more in dry and live fire.
Splits on the body need to be more consistent, around 0.30 sec, work on tracking sights and my grip and trigger control.
Reloads improved from last week with the work I did in dry fire, but there is a huge gap between those times and what I performed in live fire. Need to close that gap as well.

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ssb
04-03-2016, 09:04 PM
Shot this drill for the first time in a few months.

6.77 -0H -0B = 6.77
6.74 -0H -0B = 6.74
7.21 -1H -0B = 9.21

Aggregate: 22.72, 17/18

I was pleased with my first two runs, considering I've basically been dry-fire only for the past two months. A badly fumbled reload and a miss low on the second headshot screwed up my third run.

Shot this with a G19 w/ Defoor Tritium sights, drawing from an Eidolon with a single soft loop and a lower ride (barely enough clearance for a FFG) and using a Ready Tactical CCW OWB pouch, all concealed under a t-shirt. First shot times hovered in the 1.6s range, though I didn't record them. Reloads were characteristically abysmal, though in fairness I haven't worked them much as I've found myself carrying a spare less and less often. Splits on the body were a leisurely .3-.35, as I was really going for guaranteed hits.

ASH556
04-08-2016, 01:58 PM
Shot this yesterday for the first real time yesterday meaning cold, concealed, measuring splits and counting penalties. I shot the first 3 strings with my 19 and the second 3 strings with my 17.

Gen 4 Glock 19, Tcap front/Defoor rear, minus connector. Concealed under a polo from a JM V3 IWB strongside, Comp-tac mag carrier (also under polo).
String 1) 1.95, .53, 2.62, .29, .28, .27 = 5.94 - 1H, -2B = 8.94
String 2) 1.97, .40, 2.29, .28, .29, .26 = 5.49 -1H (barely, damn) = 7.49
String 3) 1.94, .43, 2.56, .25, .24, .23 = 5.65 -2H, -1B = 10.65
Aggregate: 27.08

Gen 4 Glock 17 same as above
String 1) 2.19, .88, 2.13, .20, .24, .20 = 5.84 -1H = 7.84
String 2) 2.21, .57, 2.22, .22, .24, .23 = 5.69 -1H, -3B = 10.69
String 3) 2.11, .70, 2.29, .23, .60, .25 = 6.18 -1H, -1B = 9.18
Aggregate: 27.71

Observations:
I'm a long way from a coin! Mechanics are close to fast enough, but accuracy, especially on the head is problematic. Interesting that it was always the 2nd round that was the miss.

GRV
04-08-2016, 03:18 PM
G17 Gen4, JRC AIWB-CDA-II, JM AIWB-SPMP, T-shirt, concealed



FAST: 6.56 COLD CLEAN
1.94 draw
0.71
3.05 reload
0.33
0.29
0.24

Fitting that my first fast in a month and a half...my first FAST since TLG passed...my first FAST since changing training philosophies...would be my first cold, clean sub-7s FAST. Also fitting that I would decide not to video tape it :cool:.

Mr_White's draw advice really showed here. I stopped myself before going into it; made sure I was going to execute my new, faster draw, as practiced in dryfire; made sure I had NPOA; made sure I had a good, neutral, relaxed starting stance; and made sure I had the right mindset.

eyemahm says I hung out at extension for a long time. "A whole second," he exaggerated. That was music to my ears, because it means I have a lot more time to save on it from reps as I grow to see what I need to see faster and make the index more precise.

Now I just need to apply the same advice to my reloads and I'll be in a really pride-worthy place. Haven't had enough time to focus on those in dryfire lately, but I'll get to it.

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Mr_White
04-08-2016, 03:38 PM
That is great to see, dove!

Mitch
04-09-2016, 10:16 PM
Glad I was able to get this in before the thread closed.

HK P2000 V2 LEM
Safariland OWB Holster
Kytex Mag Pouches
Jacket concealment for Run 1, I took it off after that because I was getting warm.

Run 1: 2.34/1.19/3.52/.34/.35/.39 (8.13) Dropped one shot to the 8 inch Circle - 9.13 with penalty
Run 2: 2.14/.97/2.8/.4/.35/.38 (7.04) Clean but .5 second penalty for no concealment on the holster - 7.54 total
Run 3: 1.96/1.19/2.83/.63/.54/.46 Dropped one shot to the circle (it went into the 3x5) 9.11 including 1.5 penalty seconds.

I ran the first run on an IDPA target with a 3x5 card that I had already been using. It was pretty shredded so I put up a PF target for the last 2. I'm a little disappointed that only one run was clean. I need to spend some more time on pairs to the 3x5 to speed up that second shot. I've been working the reloads in dry fire and I think I'll be able to speed those up using my middle finger rather than my trigger finger on the mag release.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160410/7180e8350eb9d62b0b8ead4d65d86640.jpg

Duelist
04-10-2016, 02:28 AM
This was my first time trying this drill ... And it was pitiful. Really. I hit the 3x5 once.
Weapon: SIG SP2022 9mm
Starting position: concealed under long-sleeved tshirt
Type of holster: custom leather OWB
Time and hits for string 1: 15.12, +4 penalty for missing both 3x5 = 19.12
Time and hits for string 2: 12.212, +4 penalty for missing both 3x5 = 16.212
Time and hits for string 3: 11.08, +2 penalty for missing one 3x5 = 13.08
Aggregate score: 48.412
Anything you noticed: Besides that this is hard, and I suck? At least I didn't drop any out of the circle.

Mickey
04-17-2016, 08:49 PM
Starting position concealed under untucked button up shirt
Type of holster RC VG2
time and hits string 1 7.89 -1 body total 8.89
Time and hits string 2 9.53 -1 3x5 total 11.53
Time and hits string 3 7.88 clean
Aggregate score 28.30

Things I noticed- If I want to do something different then what I normally do I need to give it more than one day of dry practice.
The second run was a disaster, I secured the VG2's loop to the outside part of my wilderness instructor belt( the Part that just velcros onto the belt). So when I drew the Velcro came off and I ended up using my support hand to pop off the VG2. This was the first time I have ran AWIB in a Long time and It was obvious that if I ever go back to AWIB that It will take a little bit of an adjustment period.
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Lon
04-18-2016, 04:52 PM
Busted out the P07 today since I haven't shot it for awhile (or anything else for that matter). Not happy with the results. P07 carried aiwb in a JMCK aiwb rig under a polo shirt.

6.49+3
6.49+1
6.04 clean
Total 23.02

At the end of the session I did some more FASTest and got down in the 5's clean like I can normally do. Need to get out more. I've found that the dot is less forgiving of missing practice than straight iron sights.

EricM
04-18-2016, 05:33 PM
Pistol: Glock 17
Start Position: Concealed AIWB
Type of Holster: Raven Eidolon
Time/Hits for 1st Attempt: 8.93/-1H = 10.93
Time/Hits for 2nd Attempt: 7.95/clean
Time/Hits for 3rd Attempt: 6.84/-1H = 8.84
Aggregate Score (w/penalties): 27.72

Shot cold. First live fire from concealment in probably nine months, first live fire from the holster in six months. Shameful, I know. First time shooting the gun since installing a new front sight, changing the slide release, and getting a grip reduction.

Disappointed with the two low shots from the draw. Need to practice draws to 3x5/dots. Interesting that splits on body shots during the first run were .47, .55, .43, and those shots would've easily fit on a 3x5, while splits on the 3x5 were 0.80+.

The new slide release was extremely stiff to operate: first run, I was like WTF the slide didn't close, finally ended up racking it with my support hand...second run, the second attempt to use the slide release succeeded...third run I just racked it right away. Reloads accounted for most of the time difference between runs, though I also picked up the pace on body shots. The new slide release puts the lever in a much better position for me, so hopefully a few swipes with a file will have that sorted.

The indoor range requires use of their own targets, so I used a stencil to make a 3x5. The 8 ring is 8". Only shots on the 3x5 were pasted between runs.

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/041016/1.jpg

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/041016/2.jpg

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/041016/3.jpg