Need a new P2000 holster

[ffhounddog]

Any pictures or options I can see? I like the TT gunleather thin mikes special http://www.mcssl.com/store/a9856d0dead4463ea8f07338d4d909/catalog/product/6037c47c2e4d4219a8aee3c6f1ba6103 I have for my Kimber but if there is something thinner that has some retention like Kydex would be great. Might go AIWB but thinking 15 degree cant 3-4 oclock.

Suggestions would be great. Thanks!

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[JTQ]

...something thinner that has some retention like Kydex would be great.

Are you looking for kydex because it's thinner, or has more retention, or you'd like a thinner kydex that has some sort of retention device?

[bravo7]

I use a blade tech AIWB when carrying a p2000.

[breakingtime91]

I use a blade tech AIWB when carrying a p2000.

look at JM, much better then the blade tech... i used a blade tech while waiting and it was OK but no comparison.

[ffhounddog]

Are you looking for kydex because it's thinner, or has more retention, or you'd like a thinner kydex that has some sort of retention device?

Kydex because its thinish and can provide some retention.

[breakingtime91]

Kydex because its thinish and can provide some retention.

I have the new universal jm on the way for my p2000, i'll let you know how it fairs. should be thin, wearable with anything, and most importantly orange :cool:

[JTQ]

Kydex because its thinish and can provide some retention.
I'd expect more retention from leather, which is why I asked.

Here's a video on concealed carry gear from the late Paul Gomez where he'll talk about the retention advantage of leather. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF7VbYh9Qqk

[Sero Sed Serio]

I have 3 JMCK AIWB holsters for P2000-family guns...one for a P2000, one for a P2000SK, and one for a P2000 with an XC1--all are great. Highly recommend.

[Mickey]

This little guy came in the mail for me on Saturday. It is a JM Custom Kydex -Version Two. I have had several quality holsters both leather and kydex, so far this is one of my favorites. I'm looking forward to putting this one though the paces. BTW this is the .093 kydex option, and the sights are trijicon HD's so they are not the lowest profile sights.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/gunslinger171/image_zpshddokzgd.jpeg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gunslinger171/media/image_zpshddokzgd.jpeg.html)

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[Luke]

Got any pics wearing it?

[Mickey]

Not yet, but I will take some tomorrow night.

[Mickey]

Here is a few with it on.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/gunslinger171/image_zpsrrpo2pm6.jpeg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gunslinger171/media/image_zpsrrpo2pm6.jpeg.html)

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[Wendell]

I'd expect more retention from leather, which is why I asked. Here's a video on concealed carry gear from the late Paul Gomez where he'll talk about the retention advantage of leather. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF7VbYh9Qqk

"...For several years, Todd and I had hoped to get a really functional leather AIWB holster. The over-riding reason is that leather is tougher than kydex. Period. I’ve seen just about every brand of kydex holster break at one time or another, in a class, or out for real. Leather is not only tougher, but many of us find that it has a slight edge in weapons retention. Where a kydex holster has the gun either “locked in” or not, a leather holster can add useful drag during the whole draw. That’s especially true if you are in a compromised position, and the gun is slowly being pried out of the holster. That extra drag can help you retain the gun in a fight, where a kydex holster would not. Surprisingly, that extra drag doesn’t slow the draw down at all when you intend to draw it fast. There are faster guys on this board than me, but I can consistently hit a 1.1 second concealed carry draw with this holster (8” circle at 7 yards), and Todd has gotten down to the mid .8‘s. A leather holster is also MUCH harder to break or rip off of your belt..." (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?5628-5-Shot-Leather-LLC-announces-the-release-of-the-SME%21)

[Johnny Walker]

Mickey, how long was the wait once ordered? I would like to get the very same holster for my P2K!

[ffhounddog]

Thanks for the Pics Micky. Thinking of a version 3 maybe. Just I know I would go with .80 I think a good balance between the two. The hybrid looks interesting to me.

[Mickey]

Mickey, how long was the wait once ordered? I would like to get the very same holster for my P2K!

8-9 weeks is what was quoted on the website. Mine was delivered at the 9 week mark.
I had heard that the delivery times on the website were accurate and that was true in my case.

But in all fairness,my initial order was for a P320. I found a good deal on the P2000 and changed my order at the end of January.

[bravo7]

"...For several years, Todd and I had hoped to get a really functional leather AIWB holster. The over-riding reason is that leather is tougher than kydex. Period. I’ve seen just about every brand of kydex holster break at one time or another, in a class, or out for real. Leather is not only tougher, but many of us find that it has a slight edge in weapons retention. Where a kydex holster has the gun either “locked in” or not, a leather holster can add useful drag during the whole draw. That’s especially true if you are in a compromised position, and the gun is slowly being pried out of the holster. That extra drag can help you retain the gun in a fight, where a kydex holster would not. Surprisingly, that extra drag doesn’t slow the draw down at all when you intend to draw it fast. There are faster guys on this board than me, but I can consistently hit a 1.1 second concealed carry draw with this holster (8” circle at 7 yards), and Todd has gotten down to the mid .8‘s. A leather holster is also MUCH harder to break or rip off of your belt..." (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?5628-5-Shot-Leather-LLC-announces-the-release-of-the-SME%21)

I guess it depends on one's environment. I'm outside all day running around in rough terrain and hot weather. Leather absorbs all of my sweat and corrosion on the pistol sets in fairly quickly. So leather will never be option for me.

[JTQ]

I guess it depends on one's environment. I'm outside all day running around in rough terrain and hot weather. Leather absorbs all of my sweat and corrosion on the pistol sets in fairly quickly. So leather will never be option for me.
It's a different argument though than the one being made.

The argument for leather was for retention. If the argument is which is more sweat resistant, kydex is the way to go.

Everybody has to compromise on something. Only you can decide which is more important for your needs.

[bravo7]

It's a different argument though than the one being made.

The argument for leather was for retention. If the argument is which is more sweat resistant, kydex is the way to go.

Everybody has to compromise on something. Only you can decide which is more important for your needs.

Understood.....but I'm not compromising on retention either. Like I said I'm running around and crawling over rough terrain all day utilizing AIWB...... Not a single retention issue ever.

[JTQ]

Understood.....but I'm not compromising on retention either. Like I said I'm running around and crawling over rough terrain all day utilizing AIWB...... Not a single retention issue ever.
From the above quote...

Where a kydex holster has the gun either “locked in” or not, a leather holster can add useful drag during the whole draw.
Kydex provides retention for about 1/8" to 1/4" of movement. Sure you can adjust that initial retention, but once you go past that point a gun practically jumps out of a kydex holster. It's not the same as with a leather holster.

[bravo7]

Why on earth would you want "useful" drag during your draw? Or perhaps the better question is what is useful about trying to add drag to the whole draw?

[BobLoblaw]

I need to clean my nose up. High speed low drag face palm.


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[JTQ]

Why on earth would you want "useful" drag during your draw? Or perhaps the better question is what is useful about trying to add drag to the whole draw?
Perhaps it has no value to you.

The explanation for why, is in the video I linked from the late Paul Gomez and the quote and thread link Wendell gave.

[bravo7]

Perhaps it has no value to you.

The explanation for why, is in the video I linked from the late Paul Gomez and the quote and thread link Wendell gave.

That argument is ridiculous. Have you ever rolled around fighting off an assaultive subject or even tried testing that outrageous claim in an actual FOF environment?

It makes more sense to actually train ground defense and weapon retention than believe somehow some extra friction or "drag" as you call it will somehow negate a BG from getting to your trigger.

[JTQ]

I haven't, but I suspect both Paul Gomez and SLG have. I'll take their word for it. My goal is to never end up grappling with somebody for my gun, but if I do, I'd expect more retention available from my leather holsters.

I have both kydex and leather. Leather is more forgiving of bumps to the grip that typically lift a gun out of a kydex holster. The leather holster will retain the gun.

Maybe it's not a feature you need or want. That's cool. I like kydex, but I agree with SLG assessment of leather's strengths, it is stronger and provides more retention. If you disagree, that's fine. Clarity above agreement.

[HCM]

Forget rolling around on the ground. Retention is not only relevant to active gun grabs.

I've seen pistols get popped out of kydex holsters by the arm rests on chairs and passenger side seatbelts.

I've never seen that with leather holsters.

[Wendell]

And these are generalizations.

Depending upon the care and skill of the maker, there are some kydex holsters that provide a better primary retention than do some leather holsters. My leather Milt Sparks SSII holsters, for example, are much more similar in retention character to several (?most) CCC Shaggys than is a later tuckable Shaggy. The SSII and Shaggys both employ the fit around the triggerguard to affect retention. The later Shaggy - unlike the others - has a great deal of slide contact; it has a 'drag' on both insertion and removal that has been described in this thread as being more characteristic of leather.

A holster buyer who is concerned about holster retention character should speak frankly with the holster maker about it; I expect that many holster makers would be willing and able to tailor their product's character to suit the buyer.