CZ Shadow 2

[Slavex]

The text is going to be a bit sparse, but figured I'd upload my pics to a more friendly format than Facebook, and original size too so people can get some detail instead of just blur. Although there might be some blurry images until I find them and delete them. Any questions feel free to ask.

Ok some larger images from the other thread on CZs where I showed the slide length compared to a regular Shadow, as well as the barrel length, with one photo showing the new barrel in a regular slide. Basically an Australian legal barrel.

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[Slavex]

So, now let's look inside (I know right? I'm doing this backwards, it's the way the images came up on imugr, I didn't realize I could change the sort order so easily)

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[Slavex]

People have asked about the reduced area under the beavertail. It's true, it has been cut a bunch. As the frame is 1mm thicker on each side, they had to. But they did it enough that people like champion shooter (and awesome woman) Maria Gushchina can easily reach the trigger while maintaining a proper grip with the gun centered in the web of her hand. She can get the tip of her finger completely on the trigger and easily manipulate the double action first shot

First my hand compared to hers,
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her holding the gun with finger on the trigger
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blurry from above
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the beavertail area

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[Slavex]

what about the bushing gun?

well here you go!

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My favorite photo that I took at IWA

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[Slavex]

Now some shots of the actual gun for everyone, again, this will be a bit scattered and you'll see some single action guns mixed in there, as well as different triggers on the DA/SA guns too. As well as some shots that I hope show a bit more detail back at the beavertail and how they've changed that, you can really see it with the grips. As well the new adjustable 3 position mag catch and the new trigger guard shape


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a gratuitous cameo.... (I can get really really high on this gun)

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Missed the shot of the champagne spilling over the gun

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screw mud and sand, CZ tests with champagne, and the good stuff too, just imagine what it's going to be like once it dries..

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a bit better of a look at the beavertail area

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[Slavex]

And lastly, some bling. I'm not normally into this kind of thing, and honestly didn't really notice this was even a Shadow 2 until the 3rd day I think, I actually kind of liked it.

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this actually shows under the trigger guard a lot better I think

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closer

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[Slavex]

Okay, I think that's everything. Any questions please ask. I played with the guns a fair bit and talked to my teammates who've had the chance to play with this new gun a lot as well.

[Edwin]

How many different grips are there to play with the thickness? I have a feeling that with the new cut in the beaver tail I'm going to need to really thick grips to compensate.

[Slavex]

all the ones at the show were the same thickness as far as I can tell. Not sure what the plan is, but I have pretty damn big hands and have zero issue with the current setup

[45dotACP]

Will this be the standard CZ frame on other guns moving forward? Not gonna lie, the only reason I've been staying away from the CZ has been that the trigger reach is way too long for my hands.

[Slavex]

No, they will be continuing the other Shadow as well, speciality versions of it I'm not so sure about though.

[naza2004]

Was an msrp listed or an idea of what this may sell for yet?

[Slavex]

Whoops forgot to include the SRP, it's 1000 Euro, which caught me off guard. I was expecting 1500 Euro or more due to what we pay in Canada for the Shadowmates. Those will top $2400 CDN this year most likely, but I imagine dealers will have a hard time selling them once the 2s land

[rob_s]

Will this be the standard CZ frame on other guns moving forward? Not gonna lie, the only reason I've been staying away from the CZ has been that the trigger reach is way too long for my hands.

I'm the opposite, as I liked the reach on my CZ quite a bit. What's the impression of the reduced reach for guys with big/long hands?

[naza2004]

Whoops forgot to include the SRP, it's 1000 Euro, which caught me off guard. I was expecting 1500 Euro or more due to what we pay in Canada for the Shadowmates. Those will top $2400 CDN this year most likely, but I imagine dealers will have a hard time selling them once the 2s land
So that would be about $1100 USD, similar to the current Tactical Sport....

I am looking for a pistol to act as a backup to my Dan Wesson PM9, obviously I should just get the same but having something different is appealing. This or the current CZ TS may scratch that itch. Thanks for the write up!

[guymontag]

Thanks for all the pictures and the info, Slavex! If only the purchase of the Shadow 2 came with a GM card, I would be all over it haha.

[Sal Picante]

The machining on the sear cage looks a lot better than the 75-series. Is that just the picture, or is that actually true?

[jeep45238]

http://i.imgur.com/JRdCb69.jpg


Machined artwork.

[balance]

The way the beavertail is cut may help people with short fingers/thumbs reach the safety lever better. This is one of my complaints with the current CZ-75 series pistols that don't have the larger safety levers.

[GJM]

The way the beavertail is cut may help people with short fingers/thumbs reach the safety lever better. This is one of my complaints with the current CZ-75 series pistols that don't have the larger safety levers.

I didn't know anyone used the thumb safeties on the Shadow.

[balance]

I didn't know anyone used the thumb safeties on the Shadow.

Oh, I don't shoot competitively, so I hadn't thought about that. It was just the first thing that popped into my head after seeing it. I suppose trigger reach is the more likely reason why it's there.

[GJM]

Oh, I don't shoot competitively, so I hadn't thought about that. It was just the first thing that popped into my head after seeing it. I suppose trigger reach is the more likely reason why it's there.

Yes, in Production, you start DA. I honestly don't know if I have ever flipped the thumb safeties from the fire position. If you could manage to sneak the thumb safeties on, after Production guys make ready, the resulting chaos would be You Tube worthy. Why won't my gun fire?

[dsa]

Slavex, thanks for the detailed pics. I am looking forward to these hitting the US market, just might make me hang up the single stack and switch back to production.

[GJM]

Slavex, thanks for the detailed pics. I am looking forward to these hitting the US market, just might make me hang up the single stack and switch back to production.

Stuart at CZ Custom says 3rd quarter arrival as of now.

[olstyn]

Yes, in Production, you start DA. I honestly don't know if I have ever flipped the thumb safeties from the fire position. If you could manage to sneak the thumb safeties on, after Production guys make ready, the resulting chaos would be You Tube worthy. Why won't my gun fire?

That's exactly why I've always wondered at the Shadow and all its variants being made from the safety version of the CZ platform rather than the decocker version. Seems like the latter would make a lot more sense for competition, presuming you could still have a good trigger. Is it just not possible to get a light, crisp trigger out of a decocker CZ, or is it a case of people sticking with the way things have always been because it's familiar, or is there some other reason?

[GJM]

I think the consensus is the triggers are better on the no firing pin safety Shadow models, and the low profile thumb safeties are in a better position than the decocker. Plus, you get a natural high from the drama of having to decock at the beginning of each stage and risking a DQ if you let one off in the process.

[YVK]

I honestly don't know if I have ever flipped the thumb safeties from the fire position.

You might wanna do it once or twice just to make sure they work.

[GJM]

You might wanna do it once or twice just to make sure they work.

I was hoping they wouldn't work or move.

[YVK]

Would be funny if you got bumped to Open at Area 1 because them safeties not working.

[GJM]

Would be funny if you got bumped to Open at Area 1 because them safeties not working.

Snitches get shot.

Even though the odds of a RO knowing there are thumb safeties on a Shadow are minuscule, I just went and checked. Darn hard to put them on, but functional.

[cheby]

They WILL check your safeties at the chrono stage for sure. If safeties are not working, you would be DQ'd, not bumped to Open, if I am not mistaken

[Slavex]

The flush ones are hard to put on, but easy to swipe down if need be.
As for the trigger reach, I have big hands and the reduction in the beavertail area means I just get a really high grip on the gun better. I don't find the reduction negatively affecting my trigger finger position in the least.
The machining on all the parts is just amazing, and they say that is the standard for this gun, all new machines, all new QC etc.

[taadski]

The machining on the sear cage looks a lot better than the 75-series. Is that just the picture, or is that actually true?



You gonna switch back? :p ;)

[Sal Picante]

You gonna switch back? :p ;)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/731798/PF/nonono.jpg

Just asking - it seems they've out Sphinx'd Sphinx...

[Slavex]

the machining is certainly close to that of a Sphinx, if not as good. I tore apart every gun there and looked at them, they were very very nice.

[Vuk8691]

Is it worth waiting a few months for the shadow 2 or take a shadow 1 now? Please note that I am a beginner in shooting.

[Sal Picante]

Is it worth waiting a few months for the shadow 2 or take a shadow 1 now? Please note that I am a beginner in shooting.

That's a good question... I think I'd wait for the S2. You'll grow with it, etc.

That said, I think there are, perhaps, more reasonable choices for a beginner: the simple, sturdy Glock, for example.

[Slavex]

I will admit some bias, Shadow 2 all the way. Nothing wrong with the other choices, but given the new gun is coming soon, I'd wait.

[Vuk8691]

Thx for advice.

[VooX]

Slavex, how does the Shadow 2 compare to the Canadian Shadow Mate version?

[CZshadowgirl]

:p IN LOVE!
And lastly, some bling. I'm not normally into this kind of thing, and honestly didn't really notice this was even a Shadow 2 until the 3rd day I think, I actually kind of liked it.

http://i.imgur.com/wAwOVxl.jpg
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this actually shows under the trigger guard a lot better I think

http://i.imgur.com/cUld44i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7r4UKYN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s0PSMxU.jpg

closer

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[Smitty79]

That's a good question... I think I'd wait for the S2. You'll grow with it, etc.

That said, I think there are, perhaps, more reasonable choices for a beginner: the simple, sturdy Glock, for example.

This is a good idea. Get something that works and go shoot. Shadows and their ilk (Tanfoglios) are at the top of the USPSA Production performance list. As a new shooter, you don't need it yet. Get a stock CZ75/85/SP-01 and go shoot a ton. The skills will transfer and you will have a back up gun. My CZ85 goes to every match my Shadow does, it just lives in the trunk because the Shadow has been so reliable.

If you have your heart set on a Shadow 2, eventually get one. I'm not a GM. I don't make a living at shooting. I may use the Shadow 2 mania to pick up another SP-01 Shadow cheap.

[s0nspark]

Thanks for the pics - and for giving me yet another CZ to save for!

[Luke]

That square trigger guard is calling my name. Only reason I never liked the CZ's.

[Slavex]

I've got a few thousand rounds downrange at matches and practice with a couple 2's now, and I'm so in love it's ridiculous. I used Maria's gun for a match in Yekaterinburg and also in Canada recently, and then another friends 2 in Copenhagen, and will be using Maria's again this weekend in Moscow.
While I really liked Maria's gun, I knew it had been gone over by Robin Sebo and everything fitted etc., so I was really really amazed at what Simone's gun (gun in Denmark) achieved when I played with it a bit. I threw my 11lb hammer spring for my match Shadow in it, adjusted the overtravel screw and ended up with the best trigger I've ever had in a Shadow. Absolutely zero backlash when the hammer drops in DA and the same in SA. I've never been able to achieve that with my guns, very little sure, but never have I been able to get the trigger to stop right when it releases the hammer. Simone's gun was a current production model, not a special one or anything like that, so I was incredibly impressed with it. It had the 13lb recoil spring in it and shockbuff, and I shot 147gr reloads through it (my own from Canada) and also some 150gr factory stuff (can't remember the name right now, red box is all I can remember). It shot ridiculously soft, I am already used to my own guns not really recoiling, and this was better. I was worried the 13lb recoil spring would lead to the sight dropping when the slide went forward, but this was not an issue. If you check out my IPSC thread there is a video of me shooting in Denmark with this gun, and it's pretty damn awesome. The checkering on this gun was also a lot sharper than Maria's, leading to some new calluses on my strong hand, which I am totally fine with. that new checkering kept the gun glued to my hands without needing grip tape.
Only complaint, is that the backorder list is so long. But they are worth the wait.

[YVK]

Yekaterinburg is my home town. Wife is there right now, and most of my remaining family. Didn't know they shot IPSC there, cool.

[Slavex]

Oh dude, single best match I've ever participated in. And the facilities are among the best as well. I'm in Mytishchi, Moscow, right now for a big match this weekend.
Add me on Facebook and you can see the pics from the match and ranges in Yekaterinburg, awesome place.

[Yuns]

Is it worth waiting on the Shadow 2 instead of buying a Shadow Orange? The Shadow Orange seems to have more hand fitting and the Shadow 2 better machining, but is there any appreciable benefit other than the ergo changes in the Shadow 2.

[Slavex]

I would wait for the 2 personally. And yes I know, I am sounding very shill like on some of these posts, and yes, I am sponsored back home through my dealer with CZ products among other things, but the 2 really is a huge improvement, even over the Oranges. I regular shoot Canadian Shadowmates, which are a step up even from an Orange, and I'd give all of them away for 2s if offered the chance.

[warpedcamshaft]

That blinged out Shadow 2 makes me want to pop a Slav squat in an Adidas tracksuit, pound a couple shots of vodka, and lay waste to some capitalist imperialists pigs.

[orionz06]

My pair will be here Thursday!




That blinged out Shadow 2 makes me want to pop a Slav squat in an Adidas tracksuit, pound a couple shots of vodka, and lay waste to some capitalist imperialists pigs.


Not sure how this was missed but this is top ten post material for 2016.

[MSparks909]

My pair will be here Thursday!

Following. The Shadow 2 is on my radar...I've never given CZs a try, but as a huge fan of DA/SAs I feel that it's my duty to at least try one. And the Shadow 2 looks to fit the bill!

[MSparks909]

Ended up buying one of these last week. Shot it for the first time today. Sweet shooting gun! I swapped in a 13# hammer spring and a 11.5# recoil spring from CZ Custom before I shot it. DA on it is in the mid 7# range, on a brand new gun with no break in. Color me impressed! The DA pull is pretty smooth from the factory; no stacking and just a tiny bit of "grit" through the trigger pull. I'll stone the internals once I get a couple hundred rounds through it. The SA measures under 3# and has a little bit of creep.

Shot 100 rounds through it on my lunch break to get it zeroed before tonight's ZSA match. Shot 50 rounds of Freedom 147 HPs and 50 rounds of Freedom 124 RNs (both new not reman). This gun seems to like the 147s! Once I got the sights regulated to good enough on a Shoot-N-See, I set up a B8 @ 25Y and fired (2) 10 round groups. Fired a shot every ~3 seconds. Used a "drive the dot" hold with the impact right behind the fiber optic.

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First group was a 95-4X and second group was a 96-3X. I may drift the rear sight a touch to the right. I felt really good about most of the trigger presses; the ones near the 8 ring/9 o'clock were me getting a little squirrelly with my trigger press.

All in all I'm impressed with my brief honeymoon period. Looking forward to shooting it in tonight's match!

[MSparks909]

Here's (3) 10 round groups I fired with the 124RN. Groups weren't quite as good and I lost a little visual patience. Dialed things back for runs 2 & 3 and saw the groups improve. Interesting to note I used the exact same hold as I did with the 147 HPs. So at least on this gun I theoretically can go back and forth between my stash of 124 & 147 Freedom and have the same hold out to 25Y. The recoil impulse on the 147s is a little less sharp so I'll most likely use those exclusively with this gun.

Group 3 was 94-4X.

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[BigT]

Got to hoot one of these the other day. Noticeable better shooting than the SP01 Shadow.


If i if I decided to go back to Welfare division it would be with one of these.

[Cesar Shop]

:p IN LOVE!

This Shadow should not be kept in the shadow.

But for anyone that wants to pimp his CZ there are possibilities enough.
17505

Some parts are original CZ some are made by dedicated companies.
Great work for the engraving..
Cesar-shop

[Paul D]

This Shadow should not be kept in the shadow.

But for anyone that wants to pimp his CZ there are possibilities enough.
17505

Some parts are original CZ some are made by dedicated companies.
Great work for the engraving..
Cesar-shop

That part looks like a tombstone. Appropriate for your first post to PF.

[Cesar Shop]

That part looks like a tombstone. Appropriate for your first post to PF.

Well i was in Tombstone and survived. :cool:
But the basepad market has really opened up the home improvements of the Shadow.
With a limited amount of money everyone can change his "Black Gun" into a nice personalized pistol.
Ford once said The model T comes in all colors as long as itis in black.
Well those times are over.
17509
Best greetings.

[Paul D]

So your first contribution to this forum is shilling your wares. Stay classy.

[Cesar Shop]

Dear forum readers,
I understand the concerns of readers on this topic, it would not be fair to flood the forum with items. But CZ really made a difference ( and by all means i am not sponsored by CZ) , no platform is so apparent than they. The 1911 has lots of technical stuff to buy from all kinds of small workshops doing their best to improve the 1911. But it is mostly technically improvements. Wooden grips for them are available in a ton of colors but the mainstream still uses black. Glock is becoming interesting, have seen slide alterations which many of us would not dream of. But CZ started with models in different colors for the IPSC shooters that themselves already tend to be a bit more colorful. Also the AR and the Benelli guns used in IPSC matches have upgrades in different colors. It is like comparing Formula one (the colorful side of sport) with Chess (Exept on the occasional divingmask worn by the players)
About the tombstone remark, i didnt see it when i made the picture but have to admit the surface and form do remind on it. when coming so close it can give this impression.
While in the USA we visited a local gunshop in OZONA Texas. There i was presented a masterpiece of engraving on a Vaquero. I was stunned at that piece, but now i have seen a bit more, that Revolver had what you would expect to have engraved. Like the rifles made not far from here in Ferlach Austria, they all are masterpieces but ... almost to beautiful to take out for a hunt.
Thanks for reacting and greetings from Slovenia.

[Shakal]

hello,
I'm the new owner of Shadow 2. When I was cleaning and inspecting the gun, I saw pits in the barrel. The gun is brand new. I'm reviewing the second Shadow 2 with 2500 shots, the barrel was great and shine.
do I have a reason to worry?
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