JM Universal AIWB and AIWB mag pouch

[GJM]

A care package arrived from Tony today.

Here is his universal AIWB for the Glock 26/19 and his AIWB mag pouch with one soft loop. I have always felt a Glock magazine prints more than the pistol, and this AIWB pouch, while not winning a speed reloading contest, makes the magazine disappear. The holster is very minimalist, and offers the versatility of a clip, yet still has a foam wedge to tuck the butt of the pistol.

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Tony even has a new JM hat that is JM quality. Great t shirt, too.

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[NorthernHeat]

I have a Universal AIWB holster on its way to me for the PPS with a AIWB mag pouch as well.

I went with the "long" version of the PPS holster and this setup will primarily be for times I am running around with pants or shorts that don't allow a belt to be worn, and maybe just have a drawstring.

I am very excited and the setup looks great.

I think it can be a very good setup for belt carry as well.

[voodoo_man]

Nice!!

[JAD]

Cool hat.

In what way is the holster universal?

[GJM]

Universal in that it can be configured to wear appendix or behind the hip, and has three different holes to adjust ride height. This allows the pistol,to be worn higher for speed or lower to conceal better.

My care package also included a Universal for the PPS M2 and a prototype Glock range holster.

[JAD]

Way cool. What's the Velcro under the clip for?

[newyork]

Killer mail call.

[GJM]

You loosen the screw and move the clip's position on the velcro to adjust cant.

[CS Tactical]

Way cool. What's the Velcro under the clip for?

To lock in the cant IIRC.

I like it!

[Tony Mayer]

Cool hat.

In what way is the holster universal?

JAD, George is correct, mostly. You don't have to loosen the screw, just slip something between the velcro, and rotate it to whatever cant you want. 3 ride heights as well, it should fit anyones ride height preference.

[Tony Mayer]

Hats and T shirts will be up on the site within a few days!!!

[CS Tactical]

Hats and T shirts will be up on the site within a few days!!!

Tony,

My old JMCK AIWB has the extra tuck and I wanted to try the Neoprene wedge, is that possible or will the tuck prevent that?

[JAD]

JAD, George is correct, mostly. You don't have to loosen the screw, just slip something between the velcro, and rotate it to whatever cant you want. 3 ride heights as well, it should fit anyones ride height preference.

Wicked cool. I used a holster from FIST that was built along the same concept, but without a screw (and with kind of a poor mount clip-to-Velcro), to figure out how I wanted to carry the terminally awkward P7. My approach was disposable -- once I figured out what ride and cant worked I was going to buy a well made holster that had those characteristics. From what I've seen of your work, I bet the Uni is good enough to lock down and carry on.

[MD7305]

Hats and T shirts will be up on the site within a few days!!!

I've got an existing order queued with you, is it possible to add a hat or tshirt?

[GJM]

Hats and T shirts will be up on the site within a few days!!!

Finally JM has ready to ship products. :)

[punkey71]

Tony,

My old JMCK AIWB has the extra tuck and I wanted to try the Neoprene wedge, is that possible or will the tuck prevent that?

I asked Tony the same question a few weeks back and he said it wasn't possible.

Harold


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[CS Tactical]

I asked Tony the same question a few weeks back and he said it wasn't possible.

Harold


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:( Thank you!

[Tony Mayer]

Tony,

My old JMCK AIWB has the extra tuck and I wanted to try the Neoprene wedge, is that possible or will the tuck prevent that?

CS, it is, but you will need to let me know in the comments that you have an existing holster with the extra tuck, and I can shape the inside portion to better fit the extra tuck.

[Tony Mayer]

I asked Tony the same question a few weeks back and he said it wasn't possible.

Harold


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punkey71, I figured it out so I can make it happen. Just let me know in the comments. Thanks

[Tony Mayer]

I've got an existing order queued with you, is it possible to add a hat or tshirt?

MD7305, yes on both. Email me the sizes you want (have M, L, and XL T-shirts and we have S/M or L/XL on the hats) and I can let you know what the prices are. Thanks

[Tony Mayer]

Finally JM has ready to ship products. :)

Ha, yeah, finally. Look for quick ship Glock aiwb and George holsters within a month at worst, with more models to follow.

[GRV]

GJM, what is your reload speed with the pouch and how does it compare to your "normal" concealed reload speed? I run a SPMP also because that's about the only thing that will conceal the way I want. However, I have been wondering lately if it's an objectively slower pouch. No plans to ditch it either way. Really love the thing :)

[breakingtime91]

GJM, what is your reload speed with the pouch and how does it compare to your "normal" concealed reload speed? I run a SPMP also because that's about the only thing that will conceal the way I want. However, I have been wondering lately if it's an objectively slower pouch. No plans to ditch it either way. Really love the thing :)

reloads are comaprable between a concealed owb and a dark star gear iwb mag pouch for me... I am not the fastest around but I am not slow..

[GRV]

I guess I'm really curious about the carry method, not the pouch itself. That is, how it compares to a left side OWB pouch under a tshirt using the "lean" reload technique, which is pretty popular around here.

[breakingtime91]

I guess I'm really curious about the carry method, not the pouch itself. That is, how it compares to a left side OWB pouch under a tshirt using the "lean" reload technique, which is pretty popular around here.
that is probably more dependent on your body type. I find that the center line mag reload puts my elbow in an uncomfortable position so its probably a little slower because of that. At the end of the day you just have to weigh the cons against the pros

[GRV]

that is probably more dependent on your body type. I find that the center line mag reload puts my elbow in an uncomfortable position so its probably a little slower because of that. At the end of the day you just have to weigh the cons against the pros

Yep. I'm curious because GJM made a comment about "not winning a speed reload contest" in the OP.

For me, right now, the answer is pretty clear cut. Mag is better than no mag :cool:

[breakingtime91]

Yep. I'm curious because GJM made a comment about "not winning a speed reload contest" in the OP.

For me, right now, the answer is pretty clear cut. Mag is better than no mag :cool:

oooooo, challenge! Do you have a owb mag carrier? I am going to the range again this week so I'll do a 1 reload 1 comparison!!!

[GRV]

You know, actually...I think I do. I'll have to try to remember to bring it next week :) Granted, I haven't ever tried the "PF lean".

I have this awful image in my head of that reload getting it's own new-rap-dance-move music video.

[StraitR]

G, is there any "Tuck" on that holster? I found a standard JM AIWB holster from a member here with "extra tuck". I don't mind the extra tuck, but I'm used to a wedge on the back of my other JM/Keeper holsters and not sure I can add one with the extra tuck.

Anyone else know how the "extra tuck" works out with a wedge?

[breakingtime91]

G, is there any "Tuck" on that holster? I found a standard JM AIWB holster from a member here with "extra tuck". I don't mind the extra tuck, but I'm used to a wedge on the back of my other JM/Keeper holsters and not sure I can add one with the extra tuck.

Anyone else know how the "extra tuck" works out with a wedge?

I have before, it wasn't that big of a deal. Jody said he has heated a spoon and used it smooth out the extra tuck.

[GJM]

The reason I find the appendix mag holder slower, is that so much of the magazine is buried below the belt line, just in front of my left hip. Of course, that same position makes the Glock magazine disappear better than any mag pouch I have used. No free lunch! Often, I find a Glock magazine to print more than the pistol, so it is a worthwhile trade off, under a t shirt.

Appendix holsters are so body specific, that what works for me, might not work for you. I don't like the way the extra tuck rubs on me, and, not surprisingly, prefer the original George design with a foam wedge. The beauty of a custom maker, is once you figure out what works best for you, they can accommodate that.

[MVS]

The reason I find the appendix mag holder slower, is that so much of the magazine is buried below the belt line, just in front of my left hip. Of course, that same position makes the Glock magazine disappear better than any mag pouch I have used. No free lunch! Often, I find a Glock magazine to print more than the pistol, so it is a worthwhile trade off, under a t shirt.

Appendix holsters are so body specific, that what works for me, might not work for you. I don't like the way the extra tuck rubs on me, and, not surprisingly, prefer the original George design with a foam wedge. The beauty of a custom maker, is once you figure out what works best for you, they can accommodate that.

I can carry a full size gun AIWB comfortably, but the heck if I can wear a spare mag that way. For some reason it just kills me.

[StraitR]

I have before, it wasn't that big of a deal. Jody said he has heated a spoon and used it smooth out the extra tuck.

I've used hairdryers and heating pads to loosen up tight holsters, but never a heated spoon. :cool: I'll keep that in mind and maybe reach out to Jody if need be. It seems like if I add a wedge, it's going to stick out way too much and I'll look like I'm rocking a Snoopy Pup Tent down there. Once upon a time, I'd work that to my advantage, but I'm happily married now.


Appendix holsters are so body specific, that what works for me, might not work for you. I don't like the way the extra tuck rubs on me, and, not surprisingly, prefer the original George design with a foam wedge. The beauty of a custom maker, is once you figure out what works best for you, they can accommodate that.

Definitely tracking on the body specific stuff, just didn't know exactly what I was looking at. I'll have to see how it works out after I get it. Maybe I'll try the Dr. Scholl's gellin' hack on this one.

[GJM]

I can carry a full size gun AIWB comfortably, but the heck if I can wear a spare mag that way. For some reason it just kills me.

Have you tried this new JM one, with a soft loop? I have tried a number of IWB and AIWB mag holders in the past, and not found them satisfactory. The JM works so well, it is going to be part of my regular kit.

[MVS]

Have you tried this new JM one, with a soft loop? I have tried a number of IWB and AIWB mag holders in the past, and not found them satisfactory. The JM works so well, it is going to be part of my regular kit.

I am willing to give another one a try.

[newyork]

Just received a gray George and AIWB mag pouch for a G17. Haven't received my 17 yet so I'm carrying my 19 in it. the mag sits way low and disappears completely. I am at work so I can't play with the rig too much but it seems like the pouch will be more concea;, less speed. The holster so far is phenomenal. Great retention and hides like a mutha! Not too tight either. JM is great as i've seen so far as I own a VP9 holster from them.
I'd like to see, and will find out soon, how a 17 mag sits in the pouch. I'll find out this week.

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[GRV]

Worth mentioning, my pouch was one of the first of this new variety which makes the mag sit super low. With a G17 mag, the floorplate is almost flush with the kydex. However, I specifically told Tony that I was running +2 extensions in it. With the OEM +2 extension, I find it to be the perfect balance. It sits just low enough to disappear, and leaves just enough exposed to get a good grab.

I find that pushing outwards against the exposed portion of the mag with my palm is a significant part of my magazine draw with this holder. So, the exposed portion amount is a critical component. With G17 mags, reloads are easier to mess up and feel way less confident, though I've surprised myself from time to time how little the end result can differ. With +2 extensions, it has a great feel.

At the time, I think Tony was experimenting a little with the exposed amount. GJMs OP looks like he got it right for the not +2 mags too.

ETA: There are some pics of mine at https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?15197-JM-Custom-AIWB-SPMP-Review&p=299859&viewfull=1#post299859

[voodoo_man]

Just received a gray George and AIWB mag pouch for a G17. Haven't received my 17 yet so I'm carrying my 19 in it. the mag sits way low and disappears completely. I am at work so I can't play with the rig too much but it seems like the pouch will be more concea;, less speed. The holster so far is phenomenal. Great retention and hides like a mutha! Not too tight either. JM is great as i've seen so far as I own a VP9 holster from them.
I'd like to see, and will find out soon, how a 17 mag sits in the pouch. I'll find out this week.

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Why is the blade oriented like that?

[Tony Mayer]

G, is there any "Tuck" on that holster? I found a standard JM AIWB holster from a member here with "extra tuck". I don't mind the extra tuck, but I'm used to a wedge on the back of my other JM/Keeper holsters and not sure I can add one with the extra tuck.

Anyone else know how the "extra tuck" works out with a wedge?

StraitR, if you add the neoprene wedge, let me know in the comments you have it for the extra tuck, I can shape the holster side to accommodate it. If it winds up being to thick for you, it's simple to "trim" it down a little at a time with a serrated knife. Thanks

[newyork]

Why is the blade oriented like that?

Was a mistake hurrying up to get everything on after the postal pick up. It is now reversed.

[voodoo_man]

Was a mistake hurrying up to get everything on after the postal pick up. It is now reversed.

ahhh k, I was gana start throwing stuff at the screen.

[newyork]

HAHA!!! Nah, I always carry it the reverse of how it came out in the pic. I was in my car, and then the bathroom shuffling things around. For some reason work doesn't want me to configure my carry gear in the office. Haha.
I listened to you and ordered a 17 btw brother.

[voodoo_man]

HAHA!!! Nah, I always carry it the reverse of how it came out in the pic. I was in my car, and then the bathroom shuffling things around. For some reason work doesn't want me to configure my carry gear in the office. Haha.
I listened to you and ordered a 17 btw brother.

Good, you're gana love it.

[StraitR]

StraitR, if you add the neoprene wedge, let me know in the comments you have it for the extra tuck, I can shape the holster side to accommodate it. If it winds up being to thick for you, it's simple to "trim" it down a little at a time with a serrated knife. Thanks

Thanks Tony. I'll try it for a bit without the wedge since it will be the first of your holsters I have with the extra tuck feature. I may like it. Otherwise, I'll reach out to you.

[backtrail540]

I have been using the aiwb spmp for a couple of months and really dig it. Like others here, I had trouble concealing a mag owb in some forms of dress, at least to the standard that I wanted too. The spmp fixed that but also like GJM and others found, it was a bit slower but like any compromise I accepted the tradeoff of speed for concealability.

A little while back I contacted Tony at JM about making a custom version that retained the full length of the 17 pouch but let the mag ride higher to allow a full grip on the magazine. The full length helps prevent roll out and the higher ride height lets me grasp the mag in the same manner that I would an owb magazine pouch thus gaining back speed. The bottom of the pouch was pinched off and a detent added up high to lock the mag in place.

I got this yesterday from Tony, and he nailed it. My reloads are on par with my owb reloads now and it conceals better than an owb magazine by far, and only slightly less than the normal aiwb spmp for my body type.

Here is a shirt that is a bit tighter than I would wear while carrying, but it still hides the magazine well. I have a gut so it may or may not work as well for more fit people.

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[GJM]

Tony is making me a new Universal that will accommodate a 19/optic, and that is one hole higher in ride. Most versatile holster I own, and I use it part of most every day.

[Mr_White]

Tony, I am about to order two of these AIWB mag pouches for G17 mags with +2 extensions. Do have any idea (I realize my question is inherently subjective) whether I should go with the standard version, or do you think I might be better off with custom ones like backtrail540 posted above? My motivation is to see if I can retrain to have as good a reload from a front-carried AIWB pouch, and gain a lot of concealment by not running support side OWB pouches like I do now. So I need a balance, but will definitely want enough exposed magazine to not have to lose time diving my hand deep for it.

[Tony Mayer]

Tony, I am about to order two of these AIWB mag pouches for G17 mags with +2 extensions. Do have any idea (I realize my question is inherently subjective) whether I should go with the standard version, or do you think I might be better off with custom ones like backtrail540 posted above? My motivation is to see if I can retrain to have as good a reload from a front-carried AIWB pouch, and gain a lot of concealment by not running support side OWB pouches like I do now. So I need a balance, but will definitely want enough exposed magazine to not have to lose time diving my hand deep for it.

I would say lets go with one of each and swap out for which ever one works better.

[voodoo_man]

I gata say, while I have experimented with IWB mag pouches in the appendix area, I could never get them to work the right way for me, I'm currently messing with two different safariland versions and finishing up a review (hopefully soon) on a bianchi russet (http://www.vdmsr.com/search?q=BIANCHI+RUSSET&max-results=20&by-date=true).

The thing that bothers me with all kydex iwb mag pouches is the "it sticks out a lot" factor.

[Tony Mayer]

I gata say, while I have experimented with IWB mag pouches in the appendix area, I could never get them to work the right way for me, I'm currently messing with two different safariland versions and finishing up a review (hopefully soon) on a bianchi russet (http://www.vdmsr.com/search?q=BIANCHI+RUSSET&max-results=20&by-date=true).

The thing that bothers me with all kydex iwb mag pouches is the "it sticks out a lot" factor.

Sounds like you need to try one of mine. :cool:

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I gata say, while I have experimented with IWB mag pouches in the appendix area, I could never get them to work the right way for me, I'm currently messing with two different safariland versions and finishing up a review (hopefully soon) on a bianchi russet (http://www.vdmsr.com/search?q=BIANCHI+RUSSET&max-results=20&by-date=true).

The thing that bothers me with all kydex iwb mag pouches is the "it sticks out a lot" factor.

I have an AIWB mag holder for my Shield & another for my M&P CORE. The one for the 17rder. (core) is just right & the Shield could stand to be a little taller + more canted like the CORE's but I suspect that is 'prolly the best Tony could do, given the smallness of the 7rd. mag.

Both holsters & mag. holders work well (george versions) as the Shield sports a DP & the CORE an RMR but Tony & I have been doing this dance since 2011 when he was still out @ the pro shop.

[voodoo_man]

Sounds like you need to try one of mine. :cool:

You got my address ;)

Seriously though this is an on going issue for many who run low visibility / concealment. You want to carry another mag but finding a good solution is hard.

[Mr_White]

I would say lets go with one of each and swap out for which ever one works better.

Hey, thanks a lot Tony! Much appreciated!!!

[GJM]

Tony sent me his latest Universal, and it allows a tad higher ride height, and fits regular and optic equipped Glock 19 and 26 pistols. While I really like the George, the Universal is becoming my most used holster, as it is quick to go on and off, as I switch to my USPSA rig. Might need to change my middle initial from J to U.

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[JDB]

Looks nice. I'm tempted to move from a George and try a Universal for my P30.

What are you using for a foam wedge?

[GJM]

Looks nice. I'm tempted to move from a George and try a Universal for my P30.

What are you using for a foam wedge?

The one that comes with the holster -- same as the one on my George.

[Mr_White]

I've gotten a couple of JMCK's AIWB magazine pouches - the Single Pistol Magazine Pouch (SPMP.) Been working with them for the last week, trying to get my reload sufficiently practiced for the upcoming major match season. It's a terrible time to switch pouches/locations, but I don't want to wait until the end of the season to make the switch, so I have to get right into it.

The big benefit of the JMCK pouches over the OWB Blade-Tech singles I've been using for a few years is concealment. The spare magazines were the weakest point in my concealment. The JMCK pouches solve that problem handily.

Over the last week of practice, I have been working with lots of small details - different shirts, slightly different pouch placement, the soft loop or hard clip, different small knives and how that placement interacts with the mag pouches, etc. I think I'm settling into an arrangement that works well for me:

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The first pouch is much easier to reload from than the second pouch (the one next to the gun.) There's just a lot more space around the first pouch to grip the magazine. The second pouch is the standard version - the first pouch is the one like backtrail540 posted about here:


I have been using the aiwb spmp for a couple of months and really dig it. Like others here, I had trouble concealing a mag owb in some forms of dress, at least to the standard that I wanted too. The spmp fixed that but also like GJM and others found, it was a bit slower but like any compromise I accepted the tradeoff of speed for concealability.

A little while back I contacted Tony at JM about making a custom version that retained the full length of the 17 pouch but let the mag ride higher to allow a full grip on the magazine. The full length helps prevent roll out and the higher ride height lets me grasp the mag in the same manner that I would an owb magazine pouch thus gaining back speed. The bottom of the pouch was pinched off and a detent added up high to lock the mag in place.

I got this yesterday from Tony, and he nailed it. My reloads are on par with my owb reloads now and it conceals better than an owb magazine by far, and only slightly less than the normal aiwb spmp for my body type.

Here is a shirt that is a bit tighter than I would wear while carrying, but it still hides the magazine well. I have a gut so it may or may not work as well for more fit people.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww95/backtrail540/Mobile%20Uploads/20160405_123855_zpsxclim8m2.jpg (http://s709.photobucket.com/user/backtrail540/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160405_123855_zpsxclim8m2.jpg.html)

Here are some massively cherry-picked reloads from practice this morning (par time is set to one second, just as a reference.) The good reps are good, but I'm inconsistent right now. Lots of issues clearing the shirt. Seems like I need to clear the shirt from the 10 o'clock area, same as I did with the OWB Blade-Tech pouches. Still working on it, big time, but I think these pouches are a clear winner.

Three in-battery reloads from the first pouch, three in-battery reloads from the second pouch, three slidelock reloads from the first pouch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Db8sZ2UgVQ

[EVP]

I just placed an order for a JM AIWB mag pouch makes me think I should of ordered the modified one to experiment as well.

I assume the lower riding mag pouch conceals better?

[MVS]

Just got notification today that my mag pouch shipped. It will have to wait until I am somewhat recovered from the hernia surgery I had today, but I am looking forward to giving it a try nonetheless.

[GJM]

MVS, good luck with your recovery. Now that Gabe has gotten so skinny, looks like all that junk he has up there could give him a hernia.

[GRV]

Finally someone's technique to copy :p

With my CP in it's latest position, I'm capable of doing a clear like Gabe without screwing anything up, and I think that's what I'm starting to gravitate towards for speed. Up until now, I've used a sort of circular movement: starting outside the mag, moving up and over to clear, going down past the mag towards the inside, and drawing the magazine on the over and up movement. I think the straight up and down might be faster.

But holy crap, Gabe, two +2 spares plus a knife! All in front! Next time someone thinks I'm crazy I know who I'll point them towards. Stellar job man.

I'm curious to see how your use of the center pouch evolves. Your running it vertically is clearly at odds with the hole placement. I'm guessing a different dedicated design from Tony would work better in that spot. I'm finding it hard to believe that reloading from that spot can really be all that reliable...but do update us. I guess it really boils down to going straight down onto the mag, instead of an angle. Somehow I don't think I could fit a mag there, but my other gear placement looks similar to yours...so now you have me interested in experimenting.

[spelingmastir]

Are any of the Glock pouches suitable for 10 round Glock 26 mags? It looks like they might not fit.

[ssb]

Are any of the Glock pouches suitable for 10 round Glock 26 mags? It looks like they might not fit.

I don't think they'd work well at all with the standard JMCK AIWB pouch. It's already fairly low-riding and I can't see you having much of the mag to grab. That modified one, to give the G17 mags higher ride height, looks like it'd be a winner for them.

[Tony Mayer]

Are any of the Glock pouches suitable for 10 round Glock 26 mags? It looks like they might not fit.

spelingmastir, I think it a better set up to carry a Glock 19 mag or Glock 17 mag as your reload, but if you want to use a Glock 26 mag then you could order a glock 19 mag pouch and let me know in the comments that you want it for a 26 mag. Thanks

[Tony Mayer]

Mr_White, you are a bad man!

[23JAZ]

I've gotten a couple of JMCK's AIWB magazine pouches - the Single Pistol Magazine Pouch (SPMP.) Been working with them for the last week, trying to get my reload sufficiently practiced for the upcoming major match season. It's a terrible time to switch pouches/locations, but I don't want to wait until the end of the season to make the switch, so I have to get right into it.

The big benefit of the JMCK pouches over the OWB Blade-Tech singles I've been using for a few years is concealment. The spare magazines were the weakest point in my concealment. The JMCK pouches solve that problem handily.

Over the last week of practice, I have been working with lots of small details - different shirts, slightly different pouch placement, the soft loop or hard clip, different small knives and how that placement interacts with the mag pouches, etc. I think I'm settling into an arrangement that works well for me:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1637/26076668183_ded4d3f180_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FJiJXi)20160427_061903 (https://flic.kr/p/FJiJXi) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1449/26407251520_bd48d49730_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Gew4S1)20160427_061925 (https://flic.kr/p/Gew4S1) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

The first pouch is much easier to reload from than the second pouch (the one next to the gun.) There's just a lot more space around the first pouch to grip the magazine. The second pouch is the standard version - the first pouch is the one like backtrail540 posted about here:



Here are some massively cherry-picked reloads from practice this morning (par time is set to one second, just as a reference.) The good reps are good, but I'm inconsistent right now. Lots of issues clearing the shirt. Seems like I need to clear the shirt from the 10 o'clock area, same as I did with the OWB Blade-Tech pouches. Still working on it, big time, but I think these pouches are a clear winner.

Three in-battery reloads from the first pouch, three in-battery reloads from the second pouch, three slidelock reloads from the first pouch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Db8sZ2UgVQ
Holy shit! Are you human? I'm convinced you're a cyborg. That reload speed is astonishing!

[Mr_White]

holy crap

Well I guess now you can see why I proclaimed myself King Of All Junk Carry and Lord Of The Food Court.

[camsdaddy]

Mag change? I cant see a mag. I wish I could slow it down so I would know what I was watching.
Yeah thats a lot of stuff.

[GJM]

Here is something Mr_White could do for the PF community, to simplify the process of sourcing all the trick stuff. He could package a "Mr_White pro kit," consisting of some green fiber optic rod, two JM AIWB mag pouches, a pair of adidas sneakers, and one of his fast draw Champion T shirts.

[GRV]

Here is something Mr_White could do for the PF community, to simplify the process of sourcing all the trick stuff. He could package a "Mr_White pro kit," consisting of some green fiber optic rod, two JM AIWB mag pouches, a pair of adidas sneakers, and one of his fast draw Champion T shirts.

"Gabe White's 'Junk for Your Junk'"

[Mr_White]

Are you human?

Part human:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7366/12592141553_03209e81c6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/kbJ1YR)0215141930-01 (https://flic.kr/p/kbJ1YR) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

Part leopard:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7436/9954820654_d78f5ee3c1_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/gaF4mS)leopard-attack (https://flic.kr/p/gaF4mS) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

Part small child:

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8557/8821148384_7e20e11c62_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/eruG6f)0524132031-00 (https://flic.kr/p/eruG6f) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

All business:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7283/9254418645_6df4042018_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/f6Mjfa)SmellThaMoney07 (https://flic.kr/p/f6Mjfa) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

[scw2]

Is there a reason people are keeping the centerline mag more vertical and the one closer to the hip reverse canted? Also, any benefit to using clips, hard loops, or soft loops for specific mags at different placement points along the body?

[Mr_White]

I wish I could slow it down so I would know what I was watching.

Well I guess it's convenient that it was really easy to make a 1/8th speed version of the same video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZGAtE-U3yg


But holy crap, Gabe, two +2 spares plus a knife! All in front! Next time someone thinks I'm crazy I know who I'll point them towards. Stellar job man.


Yeah thats a lot of stuff.

This is one thing that is funny about the way people are perceived on the internet. I may be known here as a technical skills guy who is into competition, but I am a Timmy through and through. You guys say I am carrying a lot...I guess. Frankly, I have cut way down. At one point I carried all this:

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8330/8371217687_fdcd3fd792_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/dKJFnr)0111131714-00 (https://flic.kr/p/dKJFnr) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

[Mr_White]

Is there a reason people are keeping the centerline mag more vertical and the one closer to the hip reverse canted? Also, any benefit to using clips, hard loops, or soft loops for specific mags at different placement points along the body?

Good question, though I can only speak for me.

Vertical inner/second mag pouch - basically, it just sits that way. It is pretty much trapped like that, abutted on one side by the holster and on the other side by the first mag pouch.

I took a couple more pictures, looking down, that might help show what's going on. The 'flange area' of the second mag pouch, where the tension adjustment screw resides, also stacks against the body of the first mag pouch, to help create a little bit of outward angle that helps with gripping the magazines.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1480/26631271531_e3313b69b1_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GzjecZ)20160428_101401 (https://flic.kr/p/GzjecZ) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1530/26670697296_95d9bab816_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GCNi7y)20160428_101432 (https://flic.kr/p/GCNi7y) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

Clips vs. loops:

I went for both clips and soft loops with both pouches so that I could experiment. Little variations in attachment can make all the difference, even with subtle positioning changes.

I like that the loops are more secure than the clip, but on the outer/first mag pouch, it conceals better if I use the clip - mag flops out less - not that it's any serious issue with the loop, but the clip is better for me in this regard. And in that spot on my belt, the clip doesn't seem to be coming loose in normal daily life.

On the inner/second mag pouch, if I use the clip, it tries to pop off the belt. Nothing wrong with the clip, it just is subjected to a little pressure on the belt (because of the other gear placement) that tries to pop it off. So the loop needs to be used on that one.

Loop vs. clip can also play into real estate issues on the belt. Loop takes up less space than the clip. When I had the loop on both mag pouches, I could make both pouches fit between the two front pants loops along with the holster. But crammed into that small an area, there wasn't as much room to grip the magazines and that is where some of my difficulties were coming from. So, wider spacing allowed more room for grip, and that same wider spacing also allowed enough room to use the clip on the outer/first pouch, since it wasn't having an issue staying on the belt in that spot, and that helps it conceal a bit better too.

See what I mean? Lots of little things to work out just right, with many small elements interacting with other small elements. Just have to experiment, practice, and get it all where it needs to be.

[GRV]

What about the solid or split kydex loops. Have you tried that?

I'm going to test this idea out with a vertical aiwb-spmp, but I'm still debating on which mount to order. I've had issues with soft loops printing on holsters in the past.

[Dropkick]

I went from a split loop on my JM AIWB Mag Pouch to a soft loop, and have been much happier. Variations in belt loop locations on different sets pants made it hard to use the split loop all the time. In addition, I wear my belt buckle at 12' and the tail goes to about 11' which would be roughly wear the the mag pouch was. I couldn't thread the belt tail through the split loop, so the split loop would often cause the belt tail to be pushed out and print. Not a big deal, but certainly an annoyance.

With the soft loop on the JM AIWB Mag Pouch, there is a lot more forgiveness in pants belt loop variation. It has a little give in it to bend with me when I sit, making it more comfortable on my danger zone. Plus, I'm able to thread my belt tail through the soft loop. And as an added bonus, I can stack a clinch pick OWB basically on top of the mag pouch using another soft loop, or shock cord setup... If that's yo'thang.

[Mr_White]

I have not tried the solid or split kydex loops with these mag pouches. I suppose I'd try them if I had them, but I haven't felt the need to look beyond the soft loop and hard clip. Split loops don't really occur to me - I have spent a long time arranging things around the pant loops so that's kind of just the way I think.

[GRV]

I've never run a split loop. While I'd be curious to try it on the actual pant loop and see what possibility that opens, I was more just thinking that it might accommodate more curvature in the belt than the solid loop does, which might be important for these cram positions.

I'm going to order a split and a solid and try both. I have a clip on my other pouch, and I have soft loops on other gear I could always grab if I felt so pressured to try it.

[Sal Picante]

This is one thing that is funny about the way people are perceived on the internet. I may be known here as a technical skills guy who is into competition, but I am a Timmy through and through. You guys say I am carrying a lot...I guess. Frankly, I have cut way down. At one point I carried all this...

I have to ask, all kidding aside, what motivated you to carry all that? I lived in Humboldt Park, a particular "colorful" neighborhood of Chicago for years while going to school on the South Side and the West Side - both stellar neighborhoods filled with concerned citizens - and the most I ever carried as my .25 ACP or a Model 10. (This was back before CCW in Illinois)

I've been robbed at gunpoint once (when I first started college), seen one shooting, been in an attempted carjacking, and have been tested a few times (smash and grab/attempted strong arm robbery - I used to have super long hair and I think they thought I was a woman. Long winter coat in the winter...).

Is it your neighborhood? The culture of crime where you're at (PNW, I think?)?

I guess most consider me a gamer, but I got into shooting because I was scared - scared after seeing real violence and crime in the city - I carry almost all the time, but don't carry a drop wallet or a pocket tk (I do carry a rats in my back, tho). Competition was just something to do because I wanted to keep progressing.

[GJM]

If you want to know what Mr_White is afraid of -- with that load out, I would say "not a damn thing."

[Mr_White]

I have to ask, all kidding aside, what motivated you to carry all that? I lived in Humboldt Park, a particular "colorful" neighborhood of Chicago for years while going to school on the South Side and the West Side - both stellar neighborhoods filled with concerned citizens - and the most I ever carried as my .25 ACP or a Model 10. (This was back before CCW in Illinois)

I've been robbed at gunpoint once (when I first started college), seen one shooting, been in an attempted carjacking, and have been tested a few times (smash and grab/attempted strong arm robbery - I used to have super long hair and I think they thought I was a woman. Long winter coat in the winter...).

Is it your neighborhood? The culture of crime where you're at (PNW, I think?)?

I guess most consider me a gamer, but I got into shooting because I was scared - scared after seeing real violence and crime in the city - I carry almost all the time, but don't carry a drop wallet or a pocket tk (I do carry a rats in my back, tho). Competition was just something to do because I wanted to keep progressing.

Sure, fair enough questions Les.

I think it's important to recognize me fundamentally as an enthusiast of the martial arts, which includes firearms.

From the time I have been a little kid, I have always recognized the need to be able to protect one's own physical body. That necessity just seemed as plain as day to me from the earliest time I can remember. I've always recognized the right to self-defense and always been interested in studying the various arts of self-defense.

As I began to get into defensive firearms training (vast majority in handgun) in my early 20s, I was really into it. Because enthusiast! Long story short, I did a ton of Timmy training, which was and is great, but eventually it ran out of steam when it came to higher levels of technical skill development (I started participating on the internet as part of my pursuit of high level technical skills, which is ironically now how the internet knows me.)

In Timmy training, I learned and took to heart that 'one is none, two is one, three is even better' and also learned about issues of support hand access, redundancy of access, and access from disadvantaged positions. One of the ways to deal with those access concerns is to place tools to the left and right, to the high and low line, so that if I were just conscious with one arm free, I could get a gun or knife in my available hand, almost no matter the position I was in.

That works ok and does ensure access, but also creates more things that have to be protected from other people, particularly during a physical struggle.

I have since cut down on the stuff I carry, and go more in the direction of ensuring access to tools both through placement, but also through a greater emphasis on the positional skills to effect access when needed - think of Craig's ECQC and the nuts and bolts involved in in-fight weapons access. I think that is a better approach from the standpoint of not littering so many sensitive objects about my person that really really have to be protected.

I also personally tend toward preparing for worse problems, rather than likelier and easier problems. If I'm literally in the food court the next time guys with rifles come in to whack everyone out...well, if I decide to intervene, I want to have the strongest capability of skill and equipment that I feel able to carry around all the time. The current setup is it for now. At one time, it was that giant pile of two G21s, PM9, and a bunch of other stuff.

But ultimately, I'm an enthusiast of the martial arts, which includes the art of the handgun. I joke about my Timmydom all the time, because I enjoy playing around and not taking myself too seriously (hopefully those pictures upthread illustrate this clearly)...but I really am a giant Timmy through and through. I started because of self-defense. I continue engaging in this level of preparation not just because of self-defense, but also because I enjoy the study and the self-improvement. I enjoy exerting discipline over my mind in order to precisely control my body, and thus be more aware of myself and connected to the world around me.

[GRV]

I continue to be surprised by the amount of similarity in our relevant history and philosophy... I just wish I could say the same thing about skill :rolleyes: Maybe I'll finally get around to the USPSA plot and start to catch up :p Having two spare mags would definitely make that easier ;)

[camsdaddy]

I've watched the video and have yet to see a mag fall. It's impressive at any speed.

I am curious about the universal. How does the Velcro on the front come into play?

[GJM]

I've watched the video and have yet to see a mag fall. It's impressive at any speed.

I am curious about the universal. How does the Velcro on the front come into play?

It allows you to adjust the cant from vertical to some tilt in case you want to IWB as well as AIWB. The more I use the Univetsal the more it grows on me.

[Mr_White]

I've watched the video and have yet to see a mag fall. It's impressive at any speed.

Sorry, I didn't get back to this earlier. I wasn't dropping a magazine. I was doing the form of reload practice where you get a little convenience and efficiency in exchange for the giving up the greater completeness of dropping a magazine.

[JAD]

Sorry, I didn't get back to this earlier. I wasn't dropping a magazine. I was doing the form of reload practice where you get a little convenience and efficiency in exchange for the giving up the greater completeness of dropping a magazine.

Do you press the mag release?

In your world the time the mag takes to drop out of the mag well is probably significant.

That's a messed up world, man.

[Mr_White]

Do you press the mag release?

In your world the time the mag takes to drop out of the mag well is probably significant.

That's a messed up world, man.

JAD, sorry, just getting back to this after the weekend.

I absolutely do press the mag release, and further, with the gun still vertical, even if not dropping an actual magazine.

You are correct that dropping the magazine is significant in terms of timing. I need to drop the empty mag pretty much right away upon breaking support hand grip and while the gun is still pretty vertical. Otherwise, the empty mag may not come out well (if the gun is no longer vertical and instead is angled to accept the incoming magazine) or I may run the new magazine into the old magazine if I am dropping it that late.

There is a whole range of how to set up reload practice, from very complete slidelock reloads where you both drop the empty mag and close the slide on the new mag, to the very efficient but much less complete Burkett reload (just bring the new magazine to the well and don't even insert it.) It's the whole tradeoff of completeness vs. efficiency. I do think it should all be attended - it is important for me to do some amount of COMPLETE slidelock reloads in practice, including dumping an empty mag out of the gun, but I also use the methods that let me generate more repetitions for the time spent. They all have a place IMHO.

[Mr_White]

A package came yesterday and I have a bunch of really nice mag pouches and attachments to work with now. :)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7356/26795658315_68d5171aa5_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GPQKET)20160503_055131 (https://flic.kr/p/GPQKET) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7200/26192124773_c411e7e684_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FUvuba)20160503_054926 (https://flic.kr/p/FUvuba) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

As I mess around with different shirts, I'll find out if concealment will need the standard lower-ride pouch in the inner/second pouch position, or if I'll be able to get away with the higher-ride pouch there. Seems like the higher ride is doing ok so far. It definitely makes it a lot easier to grip the magazine. Otherwise the arrangement on my belt is pretty much the same as a week ago. This is very much turning into something like a Limited race rig for concealed carry.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7608/26795099645_b4de1d169a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GPMTAD)20160503_053953 (https://flic.kr/p/GPMTAD) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

I also stuck some velcro on the knife sheath and both pouches, so that when I push them all together in the arrangement I want, they stick to each other and have increased stability, but still with the flexibility of placement allowed by using individual pieces instead of one big unit. Will get some pictures of the velcro up later.

[GJM]

Gabe, did you get all those pouches so you can shoot Production or Limited 10?

[Sal Picante]

A package came yesterday and I have a bunch of really nice mag pouches and attachments to work with now. :)


What is the difference between 'em?

[Mr_White]

Gabe, did you get all those pouches so you can shoot Production or Limited 10?

No I am just going to carry all seven of them now

[Mr_White]

What is the difference between 'em?

Just more copies of what I already had - the standard and high-ride versions of the JMCK SPMP. You can see the height difference of the magazine in the inner/second pouch in these two pictures. Attachments are the same soft loops and hard clips - I got extras because there can be some subtlety in how the different attachments make the magazines sit.


Standard:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1449/26407251520_bd48d49730_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Gew4S1)20160427_061925 (https://flic.kr/p/Gew4S1) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr


High-ride:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7608/26795099645_b4de1d169a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GPMTAD)20160503_053953 (https://flic.kr/p/GPMTAD) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

[Tony Mayer]

Nice!

[GJM]

No I am just going to carry all seven of them now

You will need to gain weight and waistline then.

[Mr_White]

Nice!

They sure are! I am really liking this gang of mag pouches Tony.

[GRV]

I just placed an order with Tony for two pouches:

1 standard cant, high ride, like your outer pouch, kydex split loop
1 vertical (no cant), standard ride, intended as the inner pouch, kydex solid loop

I also ordered neoprene pads with them to experiment with that. Now I'm wondering if I should have made the inner pouch high-ride too...but my gut feeling is that wouldn't conceal as well nor be as comfortable for me. Though, I am very curious to hear your developing opinions about it, Mr_White.

[James_f]

How's the tuck on this IWB universal? Was thinking of ordering one for a PPS M2 and VP9. Wondering if I should stick with a George and foam wedge vs IWB universals with foam wedge. Would only be carrying AIWB.

[Savage Hands]

Edit: does anyone have any pictures of the G43 versions of this holster either standard or extended?

[GJM]

While the "George" is still my go to, I find that I use the Universal daily, as it is so easy to put on and take off, as activities change (go to range, wear shorts, pj's, etc.)

Also, the AIWB mag pouch, is a major help with concealing a double stack magazine in light clothing. It almost seems like having the magazine in front, too, further changes the outline of the pistol, making magazine and pistol more concealable.