Sero Sed Serio
02-24-2016, 12:26 AM
Nothing worse than when New Gun Day turns out to be no new gun day...
Today I went to my FFL to pick up my NIB P2000 V3 DA/SA LE version that I ordered from a reputable dealer. They bring out the gun, which has a 2015 "BF" date code, and I clear it. I start giving it a thorough inspection, including full function test. After checking out the DA and SA trigger pulls, I cycle the slide and use the decocker to drop the hammer. The hammer falls past the safety intercept (or whatever it's called) and hits the firing pin. The trigger stayed all the way forward against the firing pin, and hammer had play in it, as it does after dry-firing the gun (as opposed to using the decocker, where the hammer cannot be pushed forward, and has tension on it when being pulled back). "Hmmm" says I..."something is amiss." (Or "What the @#$%?!?" It was one of those two, I'm sure, but since I'm telling the story, I get to sound sophisticated and intelligent). I cycle the slide again and hit the decocker, same result. I pull the trigger, then try thumbing the hammer back slowly. Sure enough, no click of the safety intercept engaging. I work the hammer several times, and it just flat-out will not engage the safety intercept. Anyone have any idea of what could cause this? The hammer was the spur hammer, so it's not like they mixed up an LEM hammer or something. Thoughts?
I tell the employee who is going to handle the paperwork. He gives me the vibe that he has no idea of what I'm talking about, but is at least open to the concept. He grabs a P2000SK off the consignment wall, and sure enough, after dry-firing the gun, then slowly thumbing the hammer back, we hear the distinct click as the hammer passes the safety intercept. When we decock the SK, the hammer stops at the safety intercept without going all the way forward, with no forward motion, and tension against backward tension. This is exactly what happens with my 2 full-size P2000s, my SK, and my USPc.
*BEGIN RANT BASED ON GUN STORE EMPLOYEE'S RESPONSE...I shouldn't be surprised, but I can't help but be offended at the level of dumbassery in this world at times...*
At this point the first employee is a believer, and seems to accept that I'm rejecting the transfer. However, he calls out the Cleetus that lives in the back who I believe is the store's "expert" or "gunsmith." I explain the situation to him, and he claims that it's because HK recently changed their decockers. I respond that I have three guns from the same year that don't exhibit this problem. He then says that he has "plenty" of HKs at home, and that some of them do this, and others do not. When this ringing endorsement fails to sway me, he proceeds to field-strip the gun, and alternates between dry-firing and decocking the frame with no slide on it (while the part of my brain that judges people's gun-handling skills explodes like the bad guys' heads in the Kingsman movie), then tries to convince me that the hammer is going a fraction of a millimeter further with the trigger vs. the decocker, so everything must be fine. When I tell him that I will not accept a gun where a safety mechanism is not functioning, and that I'm going to send it back to the vendor, he suggests that I call HK, ask them if there's a problem, and if they say yes, have it sent back to the factory. I ask why I would go to that trouble to get a repaired gun vs. sending it back and demanding a new one that was right the first, and he seemed offended. Eventually he did begrudgingly say that he would do whatever I wanted.
*RANT ENDED*
So basically I'm looking for a new HK and a new FFL. I'm going to call the dealer tomorrow to request that they send me a new gun (and that they check it over before sending it), and they send it to an FFL that costs nearly twice as much, but at least has a basic level of professionalism. In the meantime, do any of our HK Gurus have a guess as to what was going on with the gun? Oh, and as a gentle reminder, always thoroughly check your guns, even when coming from a reputable manufacturer....
Today I went to my FFL to pick up my NIB P2000 V3 DA/SA LE version that I ordered from a reputable dealer. They bring out the gun, which has a 2015 "BF" date code, and I clear it. I start giving it a thorough inspection, including full function test. After checking out the DA and SA trigger pulls, I cycle the slide and use the decocker to drop the hammer. The hammer falls past the safety intercept (or whatever it's called) and hits the firing pin. The trigger stayed all the way forward against the firing pin, and hammer had play in it, as it does after dry-firing the gun (as opposed to using the decocker, where the hammer cannot be pushed forward, and has tension on it when being pulled back). "Hmmm" says I..."something is amiss." (Or "What the @#$%?!?" It was one of those two, I'm sure, but since I'm telling the story, I get to sound sophisticated and intelligent). I cycle the slide again and hit the decocker, same result. I pull the trigger, then try thumbing the hammer back slowly. Sure enough, no click of the safety intercept engaging. I work the hammer several times, and it just flat-out will not engage the safety intercept. Anyone have any idea of what could cause this? The hammer was the spur hammer, so it's not like they mixed up an LEM hammer or something. Thoughts?
I tell the employee who is going to handle the paperwork. He gives me the vibe that he has no idea of what I'm talking about, but is at least open to the concept. He grabs a P2000SK off the consignment wall, and sure enough, after dry-firing the gun, then slowly thumbing the hammer back, we hear the distinct click as the hammer passes the safety intercept. When we decock the SK, the hammer stops at the safety intercept without going all the way forward, with no forward motion, and tension against backward tension. This is exactly what happens with my 2 full-size P2000s, my SK, and my USPc.
*BEGIN RANT BASED ON GUN STORE EMPLOYEE'S RESPONSE...I shouldn't be surprised, but I can't help but be offended at the level of dumbassery in this world at times...*
At this point the first employee is a believer, and seems to accept that I'm rejecting the transfer. However, he calls out the Cleetus that lives in the back who I believe is the store's "expert" or "gunsmith." I explain the situation to him, and he claims that it's because HK recently changed their decockers. I respond that I have three guns from the same year that don't exhibit this problem. He then says that he has "plenty" of HKs at home, and that some of them do this, and others do not. When this ringing endorsement fails to sway me, he proceeds to field-strip the gun, and alternates between dry-firing and decocking the frame with no slide on it (while the part of my brain that judges people's gun-handling skills explodes like the bad guys' heads in the Kingsman movie), then tries to convince me that the hammer is going a fraction of a millimeter further with the trigger vs. the decocker, so everything must be fine. When I tell him that I will not accept a gun where a safety mechanism is not functioning, and that I'm going to send it back to the vendor, he suggests that I call HK, ask them if there's a problem, and if they say yes, have it sent back to the factory. I ask why I would go to that trouble to get a repaired gun vs. sending it back and demanding a new one that was right the first, and he seemed offended. Eventually he did begrudgingly say that he would do whatever I wanted.
*RANT ENDED*
So basically I'm looking for a new HK and a new FFL. I'm going to call the dealer tomorrow to request that they send me a new gun (and that they check it over before sending it), and they send it to an FFL that costs nearly twice as much, but at least has a basic level of professionalism. In the meantime, do any of our HK Gurus have a guess as to what was going on with the gun? Oh, and as a gentle reminder, always thoroughly check your guns, even when coming from a reputable manufacturer....