Bernie Sanders fund raising

[GJM]

I just watched HRC conceed and am watching the Bernie Sanders victory speech. If someone told me the Clinton speech was really a SNL skit, I would believe it.

Here is my bright idea of the night -- go to Bernie's website and donate money. This may be the smartest money spent now. Nobody on the R side is getting my money yet, as it will definitely be used fighting other Republicans. However, money given to Bernie definitely gives Clinton a hard time.

[RevolverRob]

Best thing you can do right now - Vote against Hilary in your state's primary.

-Rob

[S Jenks]

NH res here. I'm an unenrolled voter, meaning I walk in, pick Republican or Democrat, vote, sign a form and go back to being unenrolled. I can switch back and forth on a whim without having to make the trip to town hall weeks in advance. I considered giving my vote to Sanders just to stick it to Clinton.

[RJ]

I am no fan of Bernie, but it tickles me no end to imagine the gnashing of teeth and grinding of bones at Chez Clinton tonight.

[punkey71]

Best thing you can do right now - Vote against Hilary in your state's primary.

-Rob

I'm not saying your wrong, but every time I see that I get flashbacks from about 8 years ago.

All the talking heads on the Republican side telling R voters to vote in D primaries, if able, for some unknown Illinois Senator because he could NEVER be elected president.

The rest is history...


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[PNWTO]

I've given damn near equal amounts to Bernie, the SAF, and the NRA this year.

Trump's speech was frightening.

[GardoneVT]

Best thing you can do right now - Vote against Hilary in your state's primary.

-Rob
Trouble with this plan is, I'm not sure Sanders is better.

[TheNewbie]

If Sanders or Clinton wins, I am not sure the country can recover anytime soon. The doom and gloom often gets overstated, b

[farscott]

While the media is spinning the story about Senator Sanders winning the New Hampshire primary, the delegate count tells the real story. Sanders had a virtual tie in Iowa and lost on the basis of six coin flips and won NH handily. One would expect that Senator Sanders has a small lead in the numbers that matter, delegates to the nominating convention. So here is the delegate count as of this morning:

Total Delegates: 4763
Needed to win Nomination: 2382
Unpledged/not allocated: 4327
Secretary Clinton: 394
Senator Sanders: 42

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/

So why does Secretary Clinton have that lead? Democratic party rules and "super delegates". The latter are "... party leaders and elected officials who are free to back any candidate they choose." Those superdelegates may change their "pledge" if it looks like Secretary Clinton is not viable, but the race is a long way from that point.

I am seriously considering voting in the AL primary on 01-MAR as a Democrat just to vote for Senator Sanders and because many of my local races will be decided in the Democratic primary. My part of AL is mostly Democratic at the local level and Republican at the national level. I firmly believe the only hope any Republican has to win is to face Senator Sanders in the general election.

[LittleLebowski]

Best thing you can do right now - Vote against Hilary in your state's primary.

-Rob

Yeah, it's tempting.

[LittleLebowski]

Trouble with this plan is, I'm not sure Sanders is better.

He's easier for a Republican to defeat.

[David S.]

I'm pretty sure that's what the Republicans said 8 years ago.

[JV_]

He's easier for a Republican to defeat.

We need to worry about beating a Biden/Warren ticket that jumps in at the last minute, not Sanders.

[NETim]

I don't know that it really makes any difference. We're past the tipping point.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/70-of-obamas-budget-is-writing-checks-to-individuals/

[TCinVA]

He's easier for a Republican to defeat.

I'm not so sure.

[Jason M]

We need to worry about beating a Biden/Warren ticket that jumps in at the last minute, not Sanders.

This is not out of the realm of possibility. The wheels fall off of HRC's run due to Sanders and/or indictment and Biden steps up for the good of the party and to honor the wishes of his late son....

[RJ]

This is not out of the realm of possibility. The wheels fall off of HRC's run due to Sanders and/or indictment and Biden steps up for the good of the party and to honor the wishes of his late son....

Yep. If she self-destructs on or before Super Tuesday, you betcha' that Joe will ride in on his horse. Farscott - can these Super delegates change their minds right up until the convention?

If HRC and Co. go down, you'll see more rats scurrying away from her than a bilge scow sinking in the Hudson.

[Bigguy]

What we really need is for Bloomberg to run as an independent. That should siphon off some Dem votes and help whoever gets the GOP nomination.

[RoyGBiv]

I don't know that it really makes any difference. We're past the tipping point.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/70-of-obamas-budget-is-writing-checks-to-individuals/

I was feeling pretty ok this morning. Until that.

I'm planning to early vote after the SC primary... Still undecided if I'll vote Sanders or Cruz. Depends on how things poll between now & then.
In TX you can vote in either primary.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I view Hillary as an existential threat to the RKBA. I don't think Bernie is one. Yes, he gets a D- from the NRA and has backtracked on the liability bill/AWB. However, his focus is economic populism/socialism. As president, I don't think he would waste capital on gun issues. Hillary would go after guns with a vengeance. Thus, voting for him in the primary makes some sense. Personally, I cannot stand the Clintons. They are without ethics. So what else is new?

I like this piece:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-simon-says-218971


And you can bet female voters have been targeted with tightly focused messages for the New Hampshire primary Tuesday.

Women might have gotten leaflets slipped under their doors saying: “Would you like to be burned by red-hot irons for all eternity? How about being torn to pieces by dogs or having burning pitch poured over your head every day? If you don’t vote for a woman, this will happen to you in the darkest reaches of hell.



Madeline Albright? I recall her denying Bill's sexual predatory behavior during the Lewinsky scandal. So, she is a defender of female values? BS.

[Jeep]

I view Hillary as an existential threat to the RKBA. I don't think Bernie is one. Yes, he gets a D- from the NRA and has backtracked on the liability bill/AWB. However, his focus is economic populism/socialism. As president, I don't think he would waste capital on gun issues. Hillary would go after guns with a vengeance. Thus, voting for him in the primary makes some sense. Personally, I cannot stand the Clintons. They are without ethics. So what else is new?

I like this piece:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-simon-says-218971



Madeline Albright? I recall her denying Bill's sexual predatory behavior during the Lewinsky scandal. So, she is a defender of female values? BS.

All true, but while Bernie says he is a socialist on the Swedish model his proposals are straight out of the Venezuelan socialist playbook and the Venezuelans have now not only run out of food and toilet paper, they've run out of . . . beer.

So the choice between Hillary and Bernie might be a choice of guns or beer.

[JV_]

Biden steps up for the good of the party and to honor the wishes of his late son....It's also advantageous to jump in late so he avoids months of intra-party bickering.

He'd enter the race not worn down from months of campaigning in a couple of states that collectively add up to 1% of the delegates.

[NEPAKevin]

Time to shop for side by side, twelve gauges and beat the panic.

[farscott]

Yep. If she self-destructs on or before Super Tuesday, you betcha' that Joe will ride in on his horse. Farscott - can these Super delegates change their minds right up until the convention?

If HRC and Co. go down, you'll see more rats scurrying away from her than a bilge scow sinking in the Hudson.

The superdelegates can change who their votes are pledged to AT the convention. If there is a brokered convention -- which I believe is unlikely -- those superdelegates will be in play.

[RoyGBiv]

Somewhere between the day she seals the nomination and the convention she'll be indicted. At minimum, Comey will recommend charges be brought.
That will be the time for Joey B to step in and save the day.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

So the choice between Hillary and Bernie might be a choice of guns or beer.

Let's look at prohibition, is it easier to make beer or guns at home? Since Hillary is making a big push for Bernie being a gun nut, I saw this mentioned as being a big part of her South Carolina push - gun violence, I would enjoy a milder antigun person who says he understands the appeal of guns to some. That is compared to her outright call for Australian level bans. Not saying that there might not be better candidates on the other side on other issues but I would truly like to see her strategy fail.

Let the overt appeal to sexist identity politics and the most extreme antigun positions fail in the Democratic choice.

[GJM]

Hey, I gave Bernie my $27 today.

[farscott]

Somewhere between the day she seals the nomination and the convention she'll be indicted. At minimum, Comey will recommend charges be brought.
That will be the time for Joey B to step in and save the day.

That is a really interesting scenario from an election standpoint as swapping nominees on the ballot is not exactly a trivial task. It is quite possible that, if the scenario comes to pass where Secretary Clinton cannot stand for election, that the Democratic ballot in some states would still have her name and the name of her VP candidate. That could lead to more than a few lawsuits based on voter confusion and other fun stuff. It Secretary Clinton WON the votes to take the Electoral College under that scenario, the reason for its inclusion in the Constitution could come to pass as the Electors are free to vote for any person they choose. Secretary Clinton, assuming she has not been indicted on the date of the election, could no longer be eligible to be President if charged with a felony AFTER the election.

That being said, the FBI Director serves at the pleasure of the President, and I cannot see President Obama letting the election be derailed by indicting the Democratic nominee or the President-elect. I can see the report of the investigation being buried or classified so it never comes to light or comes to light after a new President takes the oath of office in January of 2017.

[RoyGBiv]

That is a really interesting scenario from an election standpoint as swapping nominees on the ballot is not exactly a trivial task. It is quite possible that, if the scenario comes to pass where Secretary Clinton cannot stand for election, that the Democratic ballot in some states would still have her name and the name of her VP candidate. That could lead to more than a few lawsuits based on voter confusion and other fun stuff. It Secretary Clinton WON the votes to take the Electoral College under that scenario, the reason for its inclusion in the Constitution could come to pass as the Electors are free to vote for any person they choose. Secretary Clinton, assuming she has not been indicted on the date of the election, could no longer be eligible to be President if charged with a felony AFTER the election.

That being said, the FBI Director serves at the pleasure of the President, and I cannot see President Obama letting the election be derailed by indicting the Democratic nominee or the President-elect. I can see the report of the investigation being buried or classified so it never comes to light or comes to light after a new President takes the oath of office in January of 2017.
There are >150 "Federal Law Enforcement Officers" working on this case. Ain't no way to bury it. And trying to will be suicide.

It's all about timing..... What timing would be most fortuitous for those currently in power?
You might get Comey and his team to delay, but you won't silence them. There's "No Way" that many cops don't leak if this gets buried.

[Kyle Reese]

Bernie Sanders is the only decent and honorable candidate in this race, and I hope that he wins the (D) nomination.


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[TheNewbie]

Bernie Sanders is the only decent and honorable candidate in this race, and I hope that he wins the (D) nomination.


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I think he is honest but I would consider Carson decent and honorable as well.

Sanders may be an honest guy and good person, but his values would destroy the American value system.

[JV_]

TheNewbie - FredM was making a left handed compliment, he doesn't support Sanders.

[Joe in PNG]

There are >150 "Federal Law Enforcement Officers" working on this case. Ain't no way to bury it. And trying to will be suicide.

It's all about timing..... What timing would be most fortuitous for those currently in power?
You might get Comey and his team to delay, but you won't silence them. There's "No Way" that many cops don't leak if this gets buried.
I'll predict something will happen after Super Tuesday- once the results get in, and there's an idea of which way the winds are blowing.

[GardoneVT]

I view Hillary as an existential threat to the RKBA. I don't think Bernie is one. Yes, he gets a D- from the NRA and has backtracked on the liability bill/AWB. However, his focus is economic populism/socialism. As president, I don't think he would waste capital on gun issues. Hillary would go after guns with a vengeance. Thus, voting for him in the primary makes some sense. Personally, I cannot stand the Clintons. They are without ethics. So what else is new?

I like this piece:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-simon-says-218971



Madeline Albright? I recall her denying Bill's sexual predatory behavior during the Lewinsky scandal. So, she is a defender of female values? BS.

Sanders' economic proposals are a different kind of gun ban. Who needs AWBs and may issue when you can't afford a gun,ammo, or a carry permit for lack of a job?

Pragmatically, I'd rather be gainfully employed with a GP100 on my hip. Although hopefully the US Attorneys Office will indict She-Clinton and thus eliminate the dilemma.

[11B10]

He's easier for a Republican to defeat.



This ^^^^^ everyone!

[TheNewbie]

TheNewbie - FredM was making a left handed compliment, he doesn't support Sanders.

Haha, I thought I was miss reading him. Thank you for the correction!

[RevolverRob]

Trouble with this plan is, I'm not sure Sanders is better.

Not better than Clinton? Bought-and-paid-for demonstrably committed treason, Clinton? Republicans can block outlandish policy in Congress. Sanders is actually the more sensible candidate and seems less likely to abuse presidential orders.


Bernie Sanders is the only decent and honorable candidate in this race, and I hope that he wins the (D) nomination.

I know you're joking...but it's not that funny because...it's probably true. Especially with Paul out of the race. The (R) I am hoping for is Kaisch.


but I would consider Carson decent and honorable as well.

You cannot be serious? Carson? No.


Sanders may be an honest guy and good person, but his values would destroy the American value system.

Well, I hear this a lot, but no one has clearly specified what the "American value system" is. As near as I can tell it is:

1) White
2) Patriarchial
3) Patently Unfair to anyone not white and male
4) Values money in quantity over quality, loyalty, honesty, and humility
5) Likes pop culture, consumer culture, and the bigger, more expensive, more wasteful you can be the better.

Frankly, it seems like Sanders fits the bill of the American Value System - almost to a T. Something for nothing and lots of it.

-Rob

[OnionsAndDragons]

I like you, Rob.


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[GJM]

Just received an email, now that I am a contributer, saying that Sanders raised over $7 million in the last 24 hours. I think Sanders spending $7 million against HRC will go a lot further now, than Republcans spending $7 million. My $27 obviously was the decisive contribution of the day. :)

[Dagga Boy]

Just received an email, now that I am a contributer, saying that Sanders raised over $7 million in the last 24 hours. I think Sanders spending $7 million against HRC will go a lot further now, than Republcans spending $7 million. My $27 obviously was the decisive contribution of the day. :)

Another one of the 1% ers trying to influence politics.....GJTrump.....:p

[idahojess]

My concern with Sanders is that the young folks who got motivated for President Obama in '08 and'12 seem to like Sanders as well. So would he really be easier for a Republican to beat? Clinton's likability is pretty low.

[Dagga Boy]

My concern with Sanders is that the young folks who got motivated for President Obama in '08 and'12 seem to like Sanders as well. So would he really be easier for a Republican to beat? Clinton's likability is pretty low.

My concern is folks will figure out that Bernie makes Obama phones look like child's play compared to what he plans to redistribute to the masses, and he gets elected by the free sh$t army (FSA).

[TheNewbie]

Not better than Clinton? Bought-and-paid-for demonstrably committed treason, Clinton? Republicans can block outlandish policy in Congress. Sanders is actually the more sensible candidate and seems less likely to abuse presidential orders.



I know you're joking...but it's not that funny because...it's probably true. Especially with Paul out of the race. The (R) I am hoping for is Kaisch.



You cannot be serious? Carson? No.



Well, I hear this a lot, but no one has clearly specified what the "American value system" is. As near as I can tell it is:

1) White
2) Patriarchial
3) Patently Unfair to anyone not white and male
4) Values money in quantity over quality, loyalty, honesty, and humility
5) Likes pop culture, consumer culture, and the bigger, more expensive, more wasteful you can be the better.

Frankly, it seems like Sanders fits the bill of the American Value System - almost to a T. Something for nothing and lots of it.

-Rob

I am serious.

[RJ]

Bernie Sanders is the only decent and honorable candidate in this race, and I hope that he wins the (D) nomination.


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[farscott]

A good article on the influence of super delegates in the Democratic nomination, including the reason for their existence. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superdelegates-might-not-save-hillary-clinton/

[HCM]

A good article on the influence of super delegates in the Democratic nomination, including the reason for their existence. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superdelegates-might-not-save-hillary-clinton/

Good article. Am I the only one who finds the Democratic Party's Super Delegate system ironically undemocratic ?

[farscott]

Good article. Am I the only one who finds the Democratic Party's Super Delegate system ironically undemocratic ?

The superdelegate system is very much keeping with the history of the Democratic party, especially Tammany Hall. The real takeaway from the fivethirtyeight article is that the site, which is dominated by rigorous statistical modelling and analysis, does NOT discount a win of the nomination by Senator Sanders. In fact, the latest poll data from the site shows Nevada a virtual toss-up. On the other hand, South Carolina is going to deliver a crushing victory for Secretary Clinton. The latter makes sense based on South Carolina's demographics and the support from the Congressional Black Caucus for Secretary Clinton. SC going to Secretary Clinton is no surprise; NV going to Senator Sanders is a big deal.

This Presidential election is unique in that both parties have people detested by the establishment doing much better than the establishment hopes. Both Trump and Sanders are issues for their respective parties. I also would love to be in on the discussions between Mayor Bloomberg and Secretary Clinton's people. That has to be dynamite.

The site also have Trump winning SC.