Week 150: Distance, Efficient Reload, Perception

[Mr_White]

Week 150: Distance, Efficient Reload, Perception

Results may be posted until March 5th, 2016.

Designed by: GJM
Range: 25 yards
Target: USPSA Metric Target
Start Position: Holster (concealment optional)
Rounds Fired: At least 6

The Derp Test (Distance, Efficient Reload, Perception) is a fun and very challenging test that GJM devised a while back. Start with handgun loaded with at least three rounds and holstered. At the start signal, draw and shoot at least two shots to the body and one shot to the head, reload (need not be slidelock reload), and shoot at least two more shots to the body and one more shot to the head.

Record your time and add up your points on target. Score the best four hits to the body and the best two hits to the head. Scoring is Major/Minor like in USPSA. For Major (.357/.40/.45 for our purposes), A = 5 points, B/C = 4 points, and D = 2 points. For Minor (.38/9mm for our purposes), A = 5 points, B/C = 3 points, and D = 1 point. Divide your total points by your time. That number is your hit factor (final score.) For example, if you are shooting 9mm and get 26 points in 8.50 seconds, your hit factor would be 26/8.50 = 3.05

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Equipment used (pistol, holster, optional concealment garment if one was used)
Total number of shots fired
Points
Time
Hit factor (final score)
Anything you noticed

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

[BehindBlueI's]

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Ok. Uploaded pic from phone, but typing on phone sucks.

Equipment: P226 SCT, Red Nichols OWB holster, light winter jacket
Total shots: 6
Time: 12.99
Hit factor: 2.16

I shot this thing twice after shooting my Model 29 with 300gr Hornady Critical Defense and was terrible. The first time I sucked so bad I refuse to immortalize it on the interwebz. I realized I was strangling the shit out of the pistol because...well, because .44 magnum 300 gr. I shot it again getting back into semi-auto .40 mode (15.36) and then a 3rd time for keepsies and did pretty well.

[scw2]

Equipment used CZ 75 in OWB holster w/o retention
Total number of shots fired = 6
6 runs, in order Points / Time = Hit factor (final score)

Run 1: 23 / 15.19 = 1.51
Run 2: 22 / 14.43 = 1.52
Run 3: 22 / 16.14 = 1.36
Run 4: 15 / 12.57 = 1.19 (wheels fell off a bit here...)
Run 5: 17 / 11.66 = 1.46
Run 6: 26 / 13.07 = 1.99

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Anything you noticed:
1) First time shooting on a target like this from such a far distance. Struggled with not having something to focus on from so far away, normally had shot 3x5 index cards or B8 centers which have pretty good contrast. Needed to really focus on making sure I aim for 'center' of the target.

2) Related to prior point, needed to really focus on getting hits (watch sights, don't press faster than I can shoot accurately) which helped in the last run, definitely can do better there based on when I shoot B8, but need to learn how to not have a high contrast point to aim at.

3)Need to grip hard and move arms faster in pressout more consistently.

Feel like I sucked, will run this more for fun and to try and learn and improve.

[bigslim]

Week 150: Distance, Efficient Reload, Perception

G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a tee shirt
Total number of shots fired: 6
Points: 18
Time: 12.56
Hit factor (final score): 1.4

Mike

[scw2]

D.E.R.P.'ed pretty badly today, missing tons of head box shots. Averaged a bit under 1.6, which was kinda disapp

Run 1 = 25/17.37 = 1.44
Run 2 = 19/12.09 = 1.57
Run 3 = 21/12.51 = 1.68
Run 4 = 21/12.18 = 1.72

Averaged a bit under 1.6, which was kinda disappointingly low.


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Tried this again, was really inconsistent on the head box and that really showed. Getting misses killed my scores. Will do some dedicated 25 yard practice to the head box to find a reasonable blend of speed and accuracy. On the bright side, compared to the first time I ran the drill I had much better discipline to make sure I was getting mostly A's on the body and not just shooting right away when I saw front sight on the body.

[OnionsAndDragons]

Equipment used VP9, From concealment under hoodie, AIWB of my own make
Total number of shots fired 14, 10 at the body 4 at the head
Points 28
Time 29.36
Hit factor (final score) 0.95
Anything you noticed: I decided to fire a good number of rounds at this one because distance shooting is a pretty clear weakness of mine as far as consistency is concerned. I’m not sure if I am interfacing poorly with the VP9 or if the sights are just slightly off. I was having some pretty consistent left pulls, even with shooting from a rest after the drill. Hmmm.

[Range1]

Equipment used: Glock 34, Safariland ALS holster, open front jacket
Total number of shots fired: Ran drill 5 times. Fired just the 6 rounds each time
Points/Time: 16/10.37; 9/10.45; 14/12.69; 16/10.14; 14/11.20
Hit factor (final score): 1.543; 0.861; 1.103; 1.578; 1.25
Anything you noticed: Could not get the head shots for the life of me. Only 2 hits in the B zone. Was actually surprised I got the lower A zone hits I did get. Had not used this holster for a while and messed up the first couple draws. Slide-lock reloads were not very fast, just tried to make sure they were smooth. I was getting A zone hits with the first shot in about 2.5 seconds. Went downhill from there on hits mostly pushing left so need to work on following shots. Need also to get this speed and accuracy balance thing worked out. At any rate the numbers look pretty bad compared to others but I think for me the results were actually encouraging.

[jiminycricket]

Shot this drill a total of 4 times. The first three runs while in the middle of my range practice, and the fourth at the end of practice.

G19 in a blade tech phantom at 3:30 under a denim vest.
I fired only 6 rounds every time.

1) This string was horrendous. I shot it in 7.08 seconds and missed one body shot and both head shots completely.

2) 20pts / 9.67sec for a HF of 2.068 (only one A in the body, everything else B's and C's)

3) 26pts / 10.01sec for a HF of 2.597 (all A's in the body, two B's for the head)

4) 26pts / 9.43sec for a HF of 2.757 (all A's in the body, two B's for the head)

[bigslim]

2/22/16

G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a tee shirt
Total number of shots fired: 14
Points: 28
Time: 14.26
Hit factor (final score): 1.96
2.96 1.33 2.05 3.98 1.56 2.38

Total number of shots fired: 14
Points: 22
Time: 15.39
Hit factor (final score): 1.42
3.06 1.94 2.73 4.04 1.56 2.06

Total number of shots fired: 14
Points: 26
Time: 17.93
Hit factor (final score): 1.45
4.08 2.28 2.83 4.41 1.88 2.45
Anything you noticed

This is a really tough drill for me. I knew that going into it as my 25 yard shoot is absolutely abysmal.

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2/23/16

G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a tee shirt
Total number of shots fired: 14
Points: 24
Time: 16.93
Hit factor (final score):1.41
3.77 1.58 2.27 4.92 2.77 3.77

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1660/24933672380_a07d01ec2c_z.jpg

Total number of shots fired: 14
Points: 26
Time: 17.91
Hit factor (final score):1.45
3.71 1.83 2.49 4.93 1.92 3.03

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1589/25203006766_6a291f221b_z.jpg

Total number of shots fired: 14
Points: 26
Time: 15.41
Hit factor (final score):1.68
3.50 1.36 2.06 4.42 1.37 2.70

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1445/24861621519_88549b82f3_z.jpg

Total number of shots fired: 14
Points: 22
Time: 16.57
Hit factor (final score):1.32
4.30 1.79 1.96 4.08 1.76 2.68

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1714/25229310105_4a8cf0f949_z.jpg

Mike

[Luke]

Uspsa metric
Production gun/rig

Fired only 6 rounds (3R3)

Body shots then head, reload, body shots then head.

5A 1B
7.35 seconds
3.81HF

[Luke]

Uspsa metric
Production gun/rig

Fired only 6 rounds (3R3)

Body shots then head, reload, body shots then head.

5A 1B
7.35 seconds
3.81HF


Reading back over this it looks like I'm the o my one who did t provide the shot breakdown.. So here you go :)

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[Mr_White]

Equipment used: Gen3 G34 in a Keeper, concealed under a polo shirt
Total number of shots fired: 6
Points: 30 (6A)
Time: 6.46
Hit factor (final score): 4.64
Anything you noticed: Huh, took a lot longer than the when I first shot the Derp test.

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[GJM]

What dumb ass came up with this drill. I shot it once today with my CZ, near the end of my practice session.

5A, 1C, 7.99, HF= 3.50

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image_zpsmqee34qj.jpeg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image_zpsmqee34qj.jpeg.html)

I had a few rounds left after having a buddy chrono our 124 Berry's load, and shot a quick group at 25 yards with the CZ:

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image_zpskfoe02bs.jpeg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image_zpskfoe02bs.jpeg.html)

[Clobbersaurus]

The DERP drill was hard. I only ran it once and I used an IPSC target with 2 overlapping 3x5 cards as the head box.

Beretta 92D Centurion, JMCK AIWB, Blackhawk mag pouch under a knit shirt.

Time: 10.97
Points: 18 (3A, 1C, two missed head shots - yanked them low) :(
HF: 1.64
http://i.imgur.com/R8ueldRl.jpg

[okie john]

Finally got to a range where I can do 25-yard holster work. This range has overhead timber baffles and I hung both targets just high enough to partly obscure the heads, so I had to crouch a little to get my sights on them.

This was the first run of the day, so it was cold:

http://i.imgur.com/PqontE9.jpg (http://imgur.com/PqontE9)

24 points (4 A, 1 B, 1 C) in 10.25 seconds. Hit Factor = 2.34

Felt like I fumbled both the draw and the reload on this run. Also, I slapped the trigger for the second body shot after the reload and sent it down range a lot sooner than anticipated. It’s the one in the center of the A-zone.

Second run, shot just after the first:

http://i.imgur.com/RIP4Eux.jpg (http://imgur.com/RIP4Eux)

28 points (5 A, 1 B) in 8.81 seconds. Hit Factor = 3.17

A little smoother, but everything is left of center, which is probably a grip/trigger contact issue.

Equipment used: VP9 with small backstrap, medium side panels, and Talon grip tape in a K-Rounds IWB holster at about 3:30.
Total number of shots fired: six per run
Concealment: hoodie under lightweight down jacket, which is what I put on when I left the house this morning
Reload: Slidelock

Things I noticed:

I shoot at 25 and 50 yards a lot, enough that my speed on shorter-range drills probably suffers for it. On the other hand, time spent at the long line pays off when someone comes up with a 25-yard drill.
I used S&B 124-grain ammo, which typically puts 10 rounds into less than 3” at 25 yards offhand from this pistol. Some folks don’t think ammo matters much, but I beg to differ—just after I shot these two targets, I tested this load against 124-grain Blazer Brass. The BB load put 10 rounds into about 6.5” offhand at 25 yards, while the S&B group was about half that size with six rounds touching. I’m not too proud to buy skill, especially when it’s as cheap and easy to find as swapping ammo.
I fired the minimum number of shots. I was pretty sure I’d be in the A-zone and didn’t want to add time trying to make up for hits out of the A-zone, especially when I couldn’t see where the hits landed. With a 45, I would have been able to see the hits and I might have done things differently. I think this is what GJM refers to in the “Perception” part of this drill’s name.
This VP9 requires a “drive the dot” hold, and it puts my carry load, the 147-grain HST, in the lower 1/2 to 1/3 of the dot out to 50 yards. (Fortunately, it also puts the 124-grain S&B load in exactly the same place.) I was probably holding lower than I thought I was, and I think that's why six of the eight body shots are in the lower 1/3 of the A-Zone. I've been shooting the VP9 for about three months, and I'm deeply impressed with everything about it EXCEPT for the sights and the sight picture they demand.
The “drive the dot” hold also complicated the head shots. I normally zero for top of the front sight to split the group horizontally, so I’m used to cutting the head in half with the top of the front sight blade to make a head shot. With this load and these sights, I have to hold for the target’s forehead, and even then they hit the maxilla instead of the nose/eye sockets.
The K-Rounds holster I used this week is the same one I used for the drills I shot last week. The difference is that last week it was set up at a 0-degree rake while this week it’s set up with a 15-ish degree FBI rake to make it conceal better. Some of the draw issues on the first run may have been due to this change, or maybe my draw stroke is just pathetic and that didn't show up as badly on the second run.



Okie John

[bigslim]

G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a tee shirt
Total number of shots fired: 14
Points: 21
Time: 14.85
Hit factor (final score): 1.41
3.84 1.58 1.75 3.85 1.57 2.32

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1522/25290544761_e77216fbe5_z.jpg

Total number of shots fired: 14
Points: 16
Time: 15.89
Hit factor (final score): 1.00
3.14 1.48 2.74 4.47 1.20 2.36

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1622/25265302972_725a1c9bb7_z.jpg

Total number of shots fired: 14
Points: 26
Time: 15.38
Hit factor (final score): 1.69
3.10 1.56 2.02 4.79 1.87 2.04

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1463/25357406106_1a7529c172_z.jpg

Anything you noticed: 25 yards is a ball buster

Mike

[bigslim]

Equipment used: G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a tee shirt
Total number of shots fired: 6
Points: 19
Time: 18.40
Hit factor: 1.03
4.43 1.91 2.24 5.79 1.78 2.25

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1664/25336705091_a045be9a75_z.jpg

Equipment used: G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a tee shirt
Total number of shots fired: 6
Points: 18
Time: 17.60
Hit factor: 1.02
3.69 1.76 2.24 4.75 2.58 2.58

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1717/25062100789_464b0ce03f_z.jpg

Equipment used: G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a tee shirt
Total number of shots fired: 6
Points: 17
Time: 14.52
Hit factor: 1.17
3.22 1.57 2.23 4.19 1.43 1.88

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1699/25311345842_b589e16f62_z.jpg

Equipment used: G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a tee shirt
Total number of shots fired: 6
Points: 23
Time: 15.25
Hit factor: 1.50
3.35 1.89 2.13 3.91 1.93 2.04

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1524/24802985423_d61bb2c4c4_z.jpg

Mike

[Mickey]

Sig P320 in cheap holster that came with the pistol. No concealment
6 round fired 3R3
Points: 3A 2B/C 1Mike=23
Time: 17.87
Hit Factor: 1.28
One good thing about my shot timer breaking was that last week I focused one accuracy.
Specifically 25 yard accuracy,that helped me out a lot this week
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