Flitecontrol vs regular buck through a tight choke

[Xrslug]

Question for Doc or others who know (with apologies if this has been discussed, I didn't find it through a search). I understand the benefits of Flitecontrol shot through the typical "fighting" shotgun with an improved cylinder or cylinder choke -- a much tighter pattern over a longer distance than standard buck out of an open choke. But if the idea of Flitecontrol is to give an extremely tight pattern all the way out to 30 or even 40 yards, why not just run regular buckshot through a modified or improved modified or even full choke (assuming you have a gun threaded for chokes).

It would be easier and cheaper to be able to buy regular 1 buck and the right choke tube rather than chasing down the expensive and hard-to-find Flitecontrol 1 buck. Does a tight choke cause pellet deformation that leads to fliers? I should add that I have not patterned regular buckshot out of a tight choke -- I just got a cylinder choke tube and some Flitecontrol! Nonetheless, I'm curious to know. Thanks.

[Tom Givens]

You are much more likely to have flyers running regular buckshot loads through any choke or no choke. Just in my own area, I am aware of 3 people hit by flyers, when the main load hit the intended target and 1 pellet flew off by itself and hit another person. Flite-Control for me.

[Xrslug]

You are much more likely to have flyers running regular buckshot loads through any choke or no choke. Just in my own area, I am aware of 3 people hit by flyers, when the main load hit the intended target and 1 pellet flew off by itself and hit another person. Flite-Control for me.

Thanks, Tom -- that makes sense and I appreciate the real world feedback.

[That Guy]

But if the idea of Flitecontrol is to give an extremely tight pattern all the way out to 30 or even 40 yards, why not just run regular buckshot through a modified or improved modified or even full choke (assuming you have a gun threaded for chokes).


I've tried this (with 00 buck - never seen #1 Flitecontrol buck here). Usually (but not always!) I get best patterns with budget buckshot using a full choke, but the pattern is still not as tight at 25-30m as when using Flitecontrol ammunition and a modified choke.

[Drang]

...never seen #1 Flitecontrol buck here...

I'm trying to convince a couple of co-workers to go in on a case, because that's probably the only way I'll ever be able to find any, and afford it.

[Xrslug]

I'm trying to convince a couple of co-workers to go in on a case, because that's probably the only way I'll ever be able to find any, and afford it.

I was finally able to find some of the 1 buck flitecontrol but the difficulty in locating it and the relative cost is what had me thinking about the option of generic buckshot through a tight choke.

[VegasHK]

Here's what I have put together reference the F/C wad vs regular 00 Buck with a choke. The F/C wad is closer to the size of an open bore. Thus when the F/C wad comes through the open choke, it clears the bore while still retaining the shot. As the wad exits the bore and the rear fins start to open up, that slows the wad down allowing the shot to continue on unmolested by the choke. When you shoot the F/C wad through a full choke, it hits the choke while exiting. When the wad comes through the tighter bore, it slows and seperates from the shot column sooner. This causes the shot to outrun the wad for longer, thus allowing it to spread more.

When a regular 00 Buck, non F/C travels down a full choke bore, the choke itself can dent and damage the shot as the load passes through. Since there is no F/C wad to protect the shot, the shot gets deformed and causes flyers.
This theory is put together from shooting F/C wads at distance through all choke types, reading Federal's info on F/C, and many, many shot targets.
This is only my idea, but I think it holds water.

[JHC]

Here's what I have put together reference the F/C wad vs regular 00 Buck with a choke. The F/C wad is closer to the size of an open bore. Thus when the F/C wad comes through the open choke, it clears the bore while still retaining the shot. As the wad exits the bore and the rear fins start to open up, that slows the wad down allowing the shot to continue on unmolested by the choke. When you shoot the F/C wad through a full choke, it hits the choke while exiting. When the wad comes through the tighter bore, it slows and seperates from the shot column sooner. This causes the shot to outrun the wad for longer, thus allowing it to spread more.

When a regular 00 Buck, non F/C travels down a full choke bore, the choke itself can dent and damage the shot as the load passes through. Since there is no F/C wad to protect the shot, the shot gets deformed and causes flyers.
This theory is put together from shooting F/C wads at distance through all choke types, reading Federal's info on F/C, and many, many shot targets.
This is only my idea, but I think it holds water.

It might. Based on limited patterning, my modified barrel didn't throw any tighter patterns of FC at 15 and 25 than my cyclinder bore barrel, but the modified patterns looked more ragged, less concentric.

[41magfan]

Like many .22 rimfires, shotguns quite often can be a law unto themselves. Before advanced wad technology came along, patterns were largely controlled by how well the pellets remained "round" (using various buffering mediums) while being launched down the barrel. Choke plays a much larger role in producing good patterns when using these buffered offerings and some excellent results can be achieved if you can find the right combination of load and constriction.

If you have a fixed choke gun, the combinations are obviously fairly limited and it won't take long to figure out what works best. If you have interchangeable chokes however, the process can get lengthy with all the conceivable combinations. The reward can be worth the effort however since you can usually find a "low tech" (cheaper and available) load that works well in your gun.

[Cookie Monster]

Also there is only so tight a choke you can run and still run slugs, I believe improved cylinder is the tightest but do your own research or someone correct me.

I started to use Muller choke and I have been quite impressed. Started on my trap and field guns and now I run one on my 870 truck gun.

[BobM]

Hornady's OO buck load patterns very well also.


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[eyemahm]

I'm trying to convince a couple of co-workers to go in on a case, because that's probably the only way I'll ever be able to find any, and afford it.

Ah yes, the mythical LE132 1B...

I found some of Doc's preferred unobtanium loading a few months back. Shoots a bit under 2" at 10 yards (basically one big ragged hole) out of my cylinder bore 18" Ithaca 37. Recoil is surprisingly light for buck (felt like birdshot to me). I initially bought it simply on his say so, but I "get it" now. I don't think there's a shotgun loading that offers a better balance of accuracy, shootability, and terminal ballistics for two legged predators.

Source was targetsportsusa at ~$4/box of 5.

It's a bit more expensive, but there's some in stock here (nevermind the misleading URL): http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/Federal-Premium-LE-Tactical-12-Ga-00-Buckshot-p/le1321b.htm

[pablo]

Choke is a relative measure. It's the amount of constriction at the muzzle relative to nominal bore diameter. An over/back bored barrel, like a Browning Invector plus at .742" can have a lot more restriction than a Remington barrel at .727" and still have a larger muzzle diameter. An Invector Plus modified choke and a Remington cylinder bore will measure the same at the muzzle. For advise that's is worth as much as you paid for it, if your barrel and/or choke tube is rated for steel shot, a swaged foster slug shouldn't be an issue. All the stuff about don't use X, Y, or Z choke with slugs doesn't mean much since it doesn't account for actual muzzle diameter. Most split and banana barrel, and cracked choke tubes are from wads hanging on a screw in choke tube and the next round hits a bore obstruction.

[BJXDS]

I can't add much more other than the Fed FC is F*****G great. I have used it for deer hunting for years. I have my best patterns with MC.

Try to shoot some with different chokes at different ranges, there is nothing like seeing it yourself.

[Tamara]

Statistics of small numbers and all, but here (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2015/10/i-see-pattern-forming.html) are some patterns out of a 20" Remington cylinder bore barrel at ten yards.

[Unobtanium]

Question for Doc or others who know (with apologies if this has been discussed, I didn't find it through a search). I understand the benefits of Flitecontrol shot through the typical "fighting" shotgun with an improved cylinder or cylinder choke -- a much tighter pattern over a longer distance than standard buck out of an open choke. But if the idea of Flitecontrol is to give an extremely tight pattern all the way out to 30 or even 40 yards, why not just run regular buckshot through a modified or improved modified or even full choke (assuming you have a gun threaded for chokes).

It would be easier and cheaper to be able to buy regular 1 buck and the right choke tube rather than chasing down the expensive and hard-to-find Flitecontrol 1 buck. Does a tight choke cause pellet deformation that leads to fliers? I should add that I have not patterned regular buckshot out of a tight choke -- I just got a cylinder choke tube and some Flitecontrol! Nonetheless, I'm curious to know. Thanks.

For every constriction in choke that I went up (tighter), I lost about 5 yards in pattern efficacy through my Benelli M4, using Flite Control. However, at 50 yards, conventional buckshot was superior, regardless of the choke used. Flite Control would shoot 12" patterns at 50 yards from a friends Mossberg 590 though, as the bore ID is larger. Flite Control hates choke. Any choke.

[Unobtanium]

Hornady's OO buck load patterns very well also.


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It patterned absolutely terrible for me. As in, twice as bad at 15 yards as the Wincheser green-hull military surplus, lol

SHOTGUNS HAVE PERSONALITY!

[Hambo]

Flite Control would shoot 12" patterns at 50 yards

At 50 yards my question would be how does it penetrate?

[Unobtanium]

At 50 yards my question would be how does it penetrate?

At least 12" in gel, I believe.